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Title: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 25, 2010, 06:46:33 AM
Obama Transportation Secretary: ‘This Is the End of Favoring Motorized Transportation
CNSNews.com ^ | March 24, 2010 | Terence P. Jeffrey


Thursday, March 25, 2010
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Rest of title: at the Expense of Non-Motorized'

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has announced that federal transportation policies will no longer favor “motorized” transportation, such as cars and trucks, over “non-motorized” transportation, such as walking and bicycling.

LaHood signed the new policy directive on March 11, the same day he attended a congressional reception for the National Bike Summit, a convention sponsored by a bicycling advocacy group, the League of American Bicyclists. LaHood publicly announced his agency’s new direction four days later in a posting on his blog—“Fast Lane: The Official Blog of the U.S. Secretary of Transportation”--where he effusively described it as a “sea change” for the United States.

“Today, I want to announce a sea change,” LaHood wrote. “People across America who value bicycling should have a voice when it comes to transportation planning. This is the end of favoring motorized transportation at the expense of non-motorized.”

LaHood’s policy statement not only called for this change to take place in programs funded by the federal government, but also said the federal government would “encourage” state and local governments to do the same in their own programs.

“The establishment of well-connected walking and bicycling networks is an important component for livable communities, and their design should be a part of Federal-aid project developments,” said LaHood's policy statement.

“Because of the benefits they provide, transportation agencies should give the same priority to walking and bicycling as is given to other transportation modes,” it said.

LaHood's policy statement envisions the development of a transportation system in which people walk and bike for short distances and rely on mass transit for longer trips. “The primary goal of a transportation system is to safely and efficiently move people and goods,” said LaHood's statement. “Walking and bicycling are efficient transportation modes for most short trips and, where convenient intermodal systems exist, these nonmotorized trips can easily be linked with transit to significantly increase trip distance.”

On May 21, LaHood told reporters at the National Press Club that the “Partnership for Sustainable Communities’ his department had formed with the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Housing—sometimes known as the “livability initiative”--was designed to “coerce” people out of their cars.

“Some in the highway-supporters motorist groups have been concerned by your livability initiative,” said the moderator at the National Press Club event. “Is this an effort to make driving more torturous and to coerce people out of their cars?”

“It is a way to coerce people out of their cars,” said LaHood.

The moderator later asked: “Some conservative groups are wary of the livable communities program, saying it's an example of government intrusion into people's lives. How do you respond?”

“About everything we do around here is government intrusion in people's lives,” said LaHood. “So have at it.”

Motorists now pay a federal tax of 18.3 cents on every gallon of gasoline they buy, and 24.4 cents on every gallon of diesel fuel. These taxes fund the federal Highway Trust Fund. According to a study by the Heritage Foundation, 26 percent of the money in this trust fund was diverted in fiscal 2008 to pay for things other than highways and roads. Of the total of $52 billion spent that was spent that year, $9.7 billion went to mass transit, even though mass transit passengers accounted for only 1.6 percent of surface-transportation passengers. The highway trust fund also gave $80 million that year to build trails.

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These people are pure evil. 

Is there any more evidence you people need to realize what is occuring at breakneck speed? 

Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 25, 2010, 10:02:40 AM
BUMP FOR PEOPLE IN COLD CLIMATES!
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: kcballer on March 25, 2010, 10:05:55 AM
BUMP FOR PEOPLE IN COLD CLIMATES!

I live in a cold climate and have no issue taking public transit, walking or biking unless it's super icy.  I see no problem with this there are amazing products out there to rid your area and city of ice that don't involve harmful salts and chemicals. 

Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 25, 2010, 10:07:59 AM
I live in a cold climate and have no issue taking public transit, walking or biking unless it's super icy.  I see no problem with this there are amazing products out there to rid your area and city of ice that don't involve harmful salts and chemicals. 



You would make the perfect slave. 
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: kcballer on March 25, 2010, 10:10:56 AM
You would make the perfect slave. 

why because i believe in public transit?  I know a guy who lived in Calgary AB for 2 years and rode his bike every freaking day.  He is one of the fittest people i know.  I don't see an issue with emphasizing bicycle lanes in new transit plans.  Makes sense to me.  Unless you're just another NO GOPer then well you'll follow party lines, cry and vote No.
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 25, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
why because i believe in public transit?  I know a guy who lived in Calgary AB for 2 years and rode his bike every freaking day.  He is one of the fittest people i know.  I don't see an issue with emphasizing bicycle lanes in new transit plans.  Makes sense to me.  Unless you're just another NO GOPer then well you'll follow party lines, cry and vote No.

If the GOP remains the party of "HELL NO" they will take back power. 
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 25, 2010, 10:15:46 AM
“Some in the highway-supporters motorist groups have been concerned by your livability initiative,” said the moderator at the National Press Club event. “Is this an effort to make driving more torturous and to coerce people out of their cars?”

“It is a way to coerce people out of their cars,” said LaHood.

The moderator later asked: “Some conservative groups are wary of the livable communities program, saying it's an example of government intrusion into people's lives. How do you respond?”

“About everything we do around here is government intrusion in people's lives,” said LaHood. “So have at it.”


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You are ok with this? 


How about the Govt coerce you into listening to Rush and Beck for 6 hours a day?  Would uyou be ok with that?
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: kcballer on March 25, 2010, 10:25:08 AM
Uh he's saying the truth.  Everything any government does is a government intrusion in some way, shape or form. 
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: BM OUT on March 25, 2010, 10:26:54 AM
I live in a cold climate and have no issue taking public transit, walking or biking unless it's super icy.  I see no problem with this there are amazing products out there to rid your area and city of ice that don't involve harmful salts and chemicals. 



I live 5 miles from work,with no public transportation.I will walk when I see fat ass Al Gore walk.
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 25, 2010, 10:27:02 AM
Uh he's saying the truth.  Everything any government does is a government intrusion in some way, shape or form. 

So what is your limit?  Where do you draw the line?
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: saopl on March 25, 2010, 10:32:25 AM
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/392434590_0a4e9181a5.jpg)

looks awesome.
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 25, 2010, 10:35:28 AM
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/392434590_0a4e9181a5.jpg)

looks awesome.

Not really. 
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: kcballer on March 25, 2010, 10:49:12 AM
I live 5 miles from work,with no public transportation.I will walk when I see fat ass Al Gore walk.

Fair enough Billy.  I don't think this will effect you in any way shape or form.  Just newer roads and areas with high traffic flow that could perhaps be lessened by the creation of a bicycle lane or two.  Just think in the summer you could ride the bike with a prowler behind it.  Monster cardio right there bro!
Title: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: SAMSON123 on March 26, 2010, 09:48:51 AM
Obama Transportation Secretary: ‘This Is the End of Favoring Motorized Transportation at the Expense of non-Motorized’
Wednesday, March 24, 2010
By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief


Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. (http://media.cnsnews.com/resources/56285.jpg)
(AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)
(CNSNews.com) - Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has announced that federal transportation policies will no longer favor “motorized” transportation, such as cars and trucks, over “non-motorized” transportation, such as walking and bicycling.

LaHood signed the new policy directive on March 11, the same day he attended a congressional reception for the National Bike Summit, a convention sponsored by a bicycling advocacy group, the League of American Bicyclists. LaHood publicly announced his agency’s new direction four days later in a posting on his blog—“Fast Lane: The Official Blog of the U.S. Secretary of Transportation”--where he effusively described it as a “sea change” for the United States.

“Today, I want to announce a sea change,” LaHood wrote. “People across America who value bicycling should have a voice when it comes to transportation planning. This is the end of favoring motorized transportation at the expense of non-motorized.”
 
LaHood’s policy statement not only called for this change to take place in programs funded by the federal government, but also said the federal government would “encourage” state and local governments to do the same in their own programs.

“The establishment of well-connected walking and bicycling networks is an important component for livable communities, and their design should be a part of Federal-aid project developments,” said LaHood's policy statement.
 
“Because of the benefits they provide, transportation agencies should give the same priority to walking and bicycling as is given to other transportation modes,” it said.
 
LaHood's policy statement envisions the development of a transportation system in which people walk and bike for short distances and rely on mass transit for longer trips. “The primary goal of a transportation system is to safely and efficiently move people and goods,” said LaHood's statement. “Walking and bicycling are efficient transportation modes for most short trips and, where convenient intermodal systems exist, these nonmotorized trips can easily be linked with transit to significantly increase trip distance.”
 
On May 21, LaHood told reporters at the National Press Club that the “Partnership for Sustainable Communities’ his department had formed with the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Housing—sometimes known as the “livability initiative”--was designed to “coerce” people out of their cars.

“Some in the highway-supporters motorist groups have been concerned by your livability initiative,” said the moderator at the National Press Club event. “Is this an effort to make driving more torturous and to coerce people out of their cars?”

“It is a way to coerce people out of their cars,” said LaHood.
 
The moderator later asked: “Some conservative groups are wary of the livable communities program, saying it's an example of government intrusion into people's lives. How do you respond?”

“About everything we do around here is government intrusion in people's lives,” said LaHood. “So have at it.”
 
Motorists now pay a federal tax of 18.3 cents on every gallon of gasoline they buy, and 24.4 cents on every gallon of diesel fuel. These taxes fund the federal Highway Trust Fund. According to a study by the Heritage Foundation, 26 percent of the money in this trust fund was diverted in fiscal 2008 to pay for things other than highways and roads. Of the total of $52 billion spent that was spent that year, $9.7 billion went to mass transit, even though mass transit passengers accounted for only 1.6 percent of surface-transportation passengers. The highway trust fund also gave $80 million that year to build trails.
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 09:50:23 AM
Samson - I posted this yesterday. 

KC and the left wing communists think this is a great thing. 
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Tito24 on March 26, 2010, 09:56:03 AM
Imagine how much money we would be able to save!!!!!! ;D

No Auto insurance Required, No registration, No gas, etc..

Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 09:56:53 AM
Imagine how much money we would be able to save!!!!!! ;D

No Auto insurance Required, No registration, No gas, etc..



Yeah, when your food, goods, and everything else are impossible to get you would be the first one screaming and blaming bush. 
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 09:57:32 AM
Fair enough Billy.  I don't think this will effect you in any way shape or form.  Just newer roads and areas with high traffic flow that could perhaps be lessened by the creation of a bicycle lane or two.  Just think in the summer you could ride the bike with a prowler behind it.  Monster cardio right there bro!

Bump. 
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Tito24 on March 26, 2010, 09:58:33 AM
Yeah, when your food, goods, and everything else are impossible to get you would be the first one screaming and blaming bush. 

Everything has been W bush's fault..I haven't stopped blaming him for one second..
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 10:00:17 AM
Everything has been W bush's fault..I haven't stopped blaming him for one second..

No kidding, despite the fact that the dems have had control fo the congess since 2006.   
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: SAMSON123 on March 26, 2010, 10:02:30 AM
Samson - I posted this yesterday. 

KC and the left wing communists think this is a great thing. 

I must have missed your post. I am looking at this as another way of CONTROLLING PEOPLE. If you can't travel other than walking or a bicycle then you are extremely limited as to how far you can go. It becomes a way of imprisoning people to a given area or range of area. Also having only a bike or walking limits your ability to carry any and everything from food to lumber to children to supplies of all type simply because your strength is not going to hold out but so far....and I am sure horse and carts are not going to be allowed in cities.
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Tito24 on March 26, 2010, 10:05:22 AM
come on guys...This shit is way to radical...you guys take these CT's to far...

Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 10:06:58 AM
come on guys...This shit is way to radical...you guys take these CT's to far...



Did you read the article and the statements directly from the Transportation Secretary? 
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Fury on March 26, 2010, 10:09:49 AM
I still fail to see where it says that we won't be able to have cars soon. Or are you CT nutjobs lying and exaggerating again?
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: kcballer on March 26, 2010, 10:11:41 AM
I still fail to see where it says that we won't be able to have cars soon. Or are you CT nutjobs lying and exaggerating again?

lying.

all they want to do is make the roads more accessible to cyclists and other modes of transport.  Of course 333 jumps off the deep end even though none of this effects him because he never leaves his basement in the bronx for fear of rats eating his 3 years supply of dried food and jerky  ;D 
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Tito24 on March 26, 2010, 10:13:53 AM
Did you read the article and the statements directly from the Transportation Secretary? 

i read lots of article on the very forum any many fail to materialized into reality, like this one.. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
On May 21, LaHood told reporters at the National Press Club that the “Partnership for Sustainable Communities’ his department had formed with the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Housing—sometimes known as the “livability initiative”--was designed to “coerce” people out of their cars.

“Some in the highway-supporters motorist groups have been concerned by your livability initiative,” said the moderator at the National Press Club event. “Is this an effort to make driving more torturous and to coerce people out of their cars?”

“It is a way to coerce people out of their cars,” said LaHood.
 
The moderator later asked: “Some conservative groups are wary of the livable communities program, saying it's an example of government intrusion into people's lives. How do you respond?”

“About everything we do around here is government intrusion in people's lives,” said LaHood. “So have at it.”

________________________ ________________________ __________________


Nothing to see here.   ::)


Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Fury on March 26, 2010, 10:15:12 AM
I still don't see where it says we won't be allowed to have cars. Please point it out for me. Try to do it without making massive assumptions also, please.
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: kcballer on March 26, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
It's tongue and cheek 333.  It's lost on you because like a robot you take not heed of context or subtle language distinctions.  
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: SAMSON123 on March 26, 2010, 10:23:28 AM
I still don't see where it says we won't be allowed to have cars. Please point it out for me. Try to do it without making massive assumptions also, please.

Uh Hello Stupid...They don't come right out and say we are banning cars, or cigarettes or anything...What they do is Tax you to death to stop you, or raise the price to ridiculous levels, or they stop the importation or manufacturing of something until eventually out of a loss of supply or affordability you stop using. This supposed making roads more accessible for bikers, eventually will become a pollution issue where the bikers will complain of not being able to enjoy their bike ride because of the car traffic's pollution. This will set off regulations to limit and then ELIMINATE cars all together as they will impose tolls on the roads for cars (for the sake of pollution control), then they will reduce the road traffic to one lane for cars, then additional fees will be attached to owning cars, driving on the highway, pollution until the driver "voluntarily" gives up driving. All to the happiness of the biker, but to the CHAGRIN of the driver.

Get ready to start walking...
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Fury on March 26, 2010, 10:29:05 AM
Uh Hello Stupid...They don't come right out and say we are banning cars, or cigarettes or anything...What they do is Tax you to death to stop you, or raise the price to ridiculous levels, or they stop the importation or manufacturing of something until eventually out of a loss of supply or affordability you stop using. This supposed making roads more accessible for bikers, eventually will become a pollution issue where the bikers will complain of not being able to enjoy their bike ride because of the car traffic's pollution. This will set off regulations to limit and then ELIMINATE cars all together as they will impose tolls on the roads for cars (for the sake of pollution control), then they will reduce the road traffic to one lane for cars, then additional fees will be attached to owning cars, driving on the highway, pollution until the driver "voluntarily" gives up driving. All to the happiness of the biker, but to the CHAGRIN of the driver.

Get ready to start walking...

I don't even bother reading anything beyond the articles (occasionally) you link so that wall of text will go wasted. Time and time again you have been exposed as the dumbest person on this forum and as such I can't take anything you say seriously, let alone actually waste my time reading it.

When you learn what Argon is and gain a rudimentary understanding of middle school physics, feel free to call me stupid. Until then, continue spewing your propaganda, Mr. jihadist psychopath.  :D

Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: loco on March 26, 2010, 10:45:18 AM
Uh Hello Stupid...They don't come right out and say we are banning cars, or cigarettes or anything...What they do is Tax you to death to stop you, or raise the price to ridiculous levels, or they stop the importation or manufacturing of something until eventually out of a loss of supply or affordability you stop using. This supposed making roads more accessible for bikers, eventually will become a pollution issue where the bikers will complain of not being able to enjoy their bike ride because of the car traffic's pollution. This will set off regulations to limit and then ELIMINATE cars all together as they will impose tolls on the roads for cars (for the sake of pollution control), then they will reduce the road traffic to one lane for cars, then additional fees will be attached to owning cars, driving on the highway, pollution until the driver "voluntarily" gives up driving. All to the happiness of the biker, but to the CHAGRIN of the driver.

Get ready to start walking...

Anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, according to you.     ::)
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 10:49:10 AM
Anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, according to you.     ::)

They are not banning cars per se, but this article is very clear that they are again infringing on your freedom of movement and travel.

LaHood admits it and I really dont see where the debate is on this.   
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: SAMSON123 on March 26, 2010, 10:57:10 AM
I don't even bother reading anything beyond the articles (occasionally) you link so that wall of text will go wasted. Time and time again you have been exposed as the dumbest person on this forum and as such I can't take anything you say seriously, let alone actually waste my time reading it.

When you learn what Argon is and gain a rudimentary understanding of middle school physics, feel free to call me stupid. Until then, continue spewing your propaganda, Mr. jihadist psychopath.  :D



You sure as hell must have read my post to respond as you did...but Shhhhh...I won't tell anyone...You are a LOSER
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
I still dont know where the govt gets the authority in what is supposedly a "free society" to do this type of crap? 
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: SAMSON123 on March 26, 2010, 11:00:48 AM
I still dont know where the govt gets the authority in what is supposedly a "free society" to do this type of crap?  

Your society is NOT a free society 3.....
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 11:06:47 AM
Your society is NOT a free society 3.....

No kidding!  And what is worse is that these people cheer it on!
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: SAMSON123 on March 26, 2010, 11:29:03 AM
No kidding!  And what is worse is that these people cheer it on!

Well judging from the mentality (or lack thereof) of some of this board's posters, I can see why they cheer on their own destruction by government...STUPID IS WHAT STUPID DOES.
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Fury on March 26, 2010, 12:28:03 PM
You sure as hell must have read my post to respond as you did...but Shhhhh...I won't tell anyone...You are a LOSER

No, I didn't bother reading. Read one Samson post, read them all. You insult the intelligence of others while making an idiot of yourself by exposing the fact that you don't understand middle school physics nor did you even know that Argon, one of the most prevalent substances on this planet, was an element.

In short, you are a moron and deserve all the ridicule you get.  :D

Go ahead and claim to be an engineer again. That was priceless.
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: kcballer on March 26, 2010, 12:49:58 PM
They are not banning cars per se, but this article is very clear that they are again infringing on your freedom of movement and travel.

LaHood admits it and I really dont see where the debate is on this.   

Your freedom to travel?  haha are you serious?  Every single time someone brings up alternative energy or other modes of transport you act like it's your constitutional right to have gas, oil and a car.  Guess what it's not.  No one is stopping you from having those things either, but if you expect it to always be cheap then eat sh*t it's not gonna be.  You sound more like the liberals you hate wanting the government to intervene so you can have cheap oil. 
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2010, 01:05:47 PM
Your freedom to travel?  haha are you serious?  Every single time someone brings up alternative energy or other modes of transport you act like it's your constitutional right to have gas, oil and a car.  Guess what it's not.  No one is stopping you from having those things either, but if you expect it to always be cheap then eat sh*t it's not gonna be.  You sound more like the liberals you hate wanting the government to intervene so you can have cheap oil. 

Sorry dope, the govt is the one that gets in the way of cheap oil.   BTW - please tell me the alternative energy that will power my 2002 Explorer.   
Title: Re: Americans Will Soon Not Be Allowed To Have cars
Post by: SAMSON123 on March 26, 2010, 05:08:45 PM
No, I didn't bother reading. Read one Samson post, read them all. You insult the intelligence of others while making an idiot of yourself by exposing the fact that you don't understand middle school physics nor did you even know that Argon, one of the most prevalent substances on this planet, was an element.

In short, you are a moron and deserve all the ridicule you get.  :D

Go ahead and claim to be an engineer again. That was priceless.

YAWN!!!...you try so hard and FAIL so well BF....LAME!!
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on March 26, 2010, 09:09:20 PM
“About everything we do around here is government intrusion in people's lives,” said LaHood. “So have at it.”



Nice one.
Title: Re: Obama Transportation Secretary: "This Is the End of Favoring Cars & Trucks"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 26, 2010, 09:15:44 PM
I live in a cold climate and have no issue taking public transit, walking or biking unless it's super icy.  I see no problem with this there are amazing products out there to rid your area and city of ice that don't involve harmful salts and chemicals. 


::)