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Senate Democrat Health Bull ^ | after passage | Senate Democrats
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CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME? ? ? ?
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SEC. 430. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.
Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE CORPS.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—There shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency.
(2) REQUIREMENT.—All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act of 1923, as amended.
(3) APPOINTMENT.—Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
(4) ACTIVE DUTY.—Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training.
(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.—Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned Corps of the Service.
(b) ASSIMILATING RESERVE CORP OFFICERS INTO THE REGULAR CORPS.—Effective on the date of enactment of the Affordable Health Choices Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section (as such section existed on the day before the date of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.
(c) PURPOSE AND USE OF READY RESERVE.—
(1) PURPOSE.—The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service’s reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions.
(2) USES.—The Ready Reserve Corps shall—
(A) participate in routine training to meet the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;
(B) be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;
(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and
(D) be available for service assignment in isolated, hardship, and medically underserved communities (as defined in section 399SS) to improve access to health services.
(d) FUNDING.—For the purpose of carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to the Office of the Surgeon General for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014. Funds appropriated under this subsection shall be used for recruitment and training of Commissioned Corps Officers.
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Could this be part of this?
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Kind of looks like a civilian draft, LOL!
I was wondering how they planned on forcing doctors & nurses to work.
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I'm sure 240 and Straw will come and explain how this is a great thing.
Mons and Nicky will go do their lines.
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This is all you need to know.
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Can you guys imagine if that exact same ammendment was in a bill passed by the last admin? The same people giving a free pass would be pitching and ole fashioned hissy fit......idiots.
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Bush had all sorts of readiness plans in place as well. We never needed them, thankfully.
Look at it this way... if a meteor hits, an earthquake causes a tsunami, some idiot sets off a bomb, or some flu bug starts dropping people... and Obama DID NOT have some sort of emergency response plan in place... People would be complaining that our leaders weren't looking out for us.
it's okay... I was one of those ppl that was all dramatic and freaking out by bush signing these in 2005 and 2006. Then I learned every president has these emergency plans in place.
President thune will have all sorts of emergency readiness plans. So will Evan bayh in 2020. And eventually, Chelsea Clinton when she takes over?
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Can you guys imagine if that exact same ammendment was in a bill passed by the last admin? The same people giving a free pass would be pitching and ole fashioned hissy fit......idiots.
This things makes the Patriot Act look like nothing. Its far more invasive, intrusive, costly, etc.
16,500 new IRS agents!
The left wing tyrants of this country are really going to provoke CW2 if they are not careful.
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Bush had all sorts of readiness plans in place as well. We never needed them, thankfully.
Look at it this way... if a meteor hits, an earthquake causes a tsunami, some idiot sets off a bomb, or some flu bug starts dropping people... and Obama DID NOT have some sort of emergency response plan in place... People would be complaining that our leaders weren't looking out for us.
it's okay... I was one of those ppl that was all dramatic and freaking out by bush signing these in 2005 and 2006. Then I learned every president has these emergency plans in place.
President thune will have all sorts of emergency readiness plans. So will Evan bayh in 2020. And eventually, Chelsea Clinton when she takes over?
240 kneepadding for Obama? Who would have guessed?
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Bush had all sorts of readiness plans in place as well. We never needed them, thankfully.
Look at it this way... if a meteor hits, an earthquake causes a tsunami, some idiot sets off a bomb, or some flu bug starts dropping people... and Obama DID NOT have some sort of emergency response plan in place... People would be complaining that our leaders weren't looking out for us.
it's okay... I was one of those ppl that was all dramatic and freaking out by bush signing these in 2005 and 2006. Then I learned every president has these emergency plans in place.
President thune will have all sorts of emergency readiness plans. So will Evan bayh in 2020. And eventually, Chelsea Clinton when she takes over?
Evan Bayh will NEVER be president!!!No personality at all.
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Bush had all sorts of readiness plans in place as well. We never needed them, thankfully.
Look at it this way... if a meteor hits, an earthquake causes a tsunami, some idiot sets off a bomb, or some flu bug starts dropping people... and Obama DID NOT have some sort of emergency response plan in place... People would be complaining that our leaders weren't looking out for us.
it's okay... I was one of those ppl that was all dramatic and freaking out by bush signing these in 2005 and 2006. Then I learned every president has these emergency plans in place.
President thune will have all sorts of emergency readiness plans. So will Evan bayh in 2020. And eventually, Chelsea Clinton when she takes over?
You take no exceptions to people being forced to provide health care and whatever mistakes they might make?! You're disappointing me as a conspiracy theorist, LOL! i'd never be able to stop wondering if the doctor had finally said "Screw it" on the inside and was going to start reducing their patient load artificially. :)
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240 is either playing dumb or again or really believes his posts.
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240 is either playing dumb or again or really believes his posts.
Technically there won't be any malpractice issues because everything will be taxpayer funded. Excellence or incompetence won't be factors at all.
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so if an earthquake hit cali tomorrow... and millions were homeless, tens of thousands washed out to sea...
and Obama's response was, "we are going to START developing a plan for sending doctors to help you. As you know, these plans take a few weeks to design. You guys sit tight, mmmkay?"
You'd be shitting bricks, 333386. We all would!
Better.... tell us what President mccain would do in this situation. Would he have a "plan B' like Bush did, and now obama does? Or would he just wait for bad shit to happen, then decide to design a plan?
in case you didn't know it.... they already have these plans at the local and state level. If the power ever goes down, police have "plan Bs" for where they should be stationed near their homes, should communication go down. Obama's planning for how to deal with it is shit hits the fan. You're pissed about that? Explain...
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so if an earthquake hit cali tomorrow... and millions were homeless, tens of thousands washed out to sea...
and Obama's response was, "we are going to START developing a plan for sending doctors to help you. As you know, these plans take a few weeks to design. You guys sit tight, mmmkay?"
You'd be shitting bricks, 333386. We all would!
Better.... tell us what President mccain would do in this situation. Would he have a "plan B' like Bush did, and now obama does? Or would he just wait for bad shit to happen, then decide to design a plan?
in case you didn't know it.... they already have these plans at the local and state level. If the power ever goes down, police have "plan Bs" for where they should be stationed near their homes, should communication go down. Obama's planning for how to deal with it is shit hits the fan. You're pissed about that? Explain...
Why do we have FEMA 240?
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so if an earthquake hit cali tomorrow... and millions were homeless, tens of thousands washed out to sea...
and Obama's response was, "we are going to START developing a plan for sending doctors to help you. As you know, these plans take a few weeks to design. You guys sit tight, mmmkay?"
You'd be shitting bricks, 333386. We all would!
Better.... tell us what President mccain would do in this situation. Would he have a "plan B' like Bush did, and now obama does? Or would he just wait for bad shit to happen, then decide to design a plan?
in case you didn't know it.... they already have these plans at the local and state level. If the power ever goes down, police have "plan Bs" for where they should be stationed near their homes, should communication go down. Obama's planning for how to deal with it is shit hits the fan. You're pissed about that? Explain...
Earthquakes are natural disasters. The healthcare reform bill is manmade, FFS! You can't artificially create a shortage of care and then declare a state of emergency to enslave providers.
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I think in light of Katrina and Haiti, it's important to have a ready and able reserve. This admin does not want the black eye of a Katrina hanging over it. I can't think of a reason as to why having more readily available trained people would be a bad thing.
I really think the nit picking going on here is pretty weak. Little tid bit arguments about things if proposed by a republican would be backed by the likes of 333 etc.
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I think in light of Katrina and Haiti, it's important to have a ready and able reserve. This admin does not want the black eye of a Katrina hanging over it. I can't think of a reason as to why having more readily available trained people would be a bad thing.
I really think the nit picking going on here is pretty weak. Little tid bit arguments about things if proposed by a republican would be backed by the likes of 333 etc.
Hysterical, utterly hysterical.
You libs hyperventilated about the patriot act for 8 years, not are silent on this, and silent on obama's reaffirmation of it.
BTW KC - did you watch the clip with Dingle admitting this is all to "control us"?
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Would these conscripts at least get tax credit for the loss of income?
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Would these conscripts at least get tax credit for the loss of income?
Hells no! You get 3 hot meals, a per diem of $5 a day and a cot.
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Hells no! You get 3 hot meals, a per diem of $5 a day and a cot.
Is that $5 cash?!
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Hysterical, utterly hysterical.
You libs hyperventilated about the patriot act for 8 years, not are silent on this, and silent on obama's reaffirmation of it.
BTW KC - did you watch the clip with Dingle admitting this is all to "control us"?
I've never supported the patriot act. But having a reserve corps is essential to an effective response to natural disasters. In light of the heat taken post Katrina it would only make sense for the next president to prepare for such an event so as not to commit the same mistake. Bush was tarnished in the south because of a slow response. Obama does not want to make that mistake.
I've never supported Obama's stance on keeping the Pat act either, i believe he should repeal it but fear he has become too scared. In case of an attack, it would be political suicide. He's playing the devil you know is better than the one you don't.
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Hells no! You get 3 hot meals, a per diem of $5 a day and a cot.
This is what we are all facing.
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Can you guys imagine if that exact same ammendment was in a bill passed by the last admin? The same people giving a free pass would be pitching and ole fashioned hissy fit......idiots.
i know; isnt it fun - this thing called 'politics'...
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People need to quit blaming Bush and co. about Katrina. It wasn't their fault...the local and state government of LA dropped the ball big time with that situation. Last, but not least, New Orleans is in a hurricane zone just like I am. It's called being prepared! Our local and state government tells us every year that if even a category one were to hit we need to be prepared to survive on our own for up to a week. That increases as the strength of the storm increases. I don't want to here about poor people not being able to do that either...you would be surprised at what you can put away for a rainy day if you just budget correctly.
This nanny state mentality about blaming the government for not coming to the rescue is sickening. Get over it!!!
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People need to quit blaming Bush and co. about Katrina. It wasn't their fault...the local and state government of LA dropped the ball big time with that situation. Last, but not least, New Orleans is in a hurricane zone just like I am. It's called being prepared! Our local and state government tells us every year that if even a category one were to hit we need to be prepared to survive on our own for up to a week. That increases as the strength of the storm increases. I don't want to here about poor people not being able to do that either...you would be surprised at what you can put away for a rainy day if you just budget correctly.
This nanny state mentality about blaming the government for not coming to the rescue is sickening. Get over it!!!
They told those idiots to have 3-5 days worth of provisions on hand. Instead, the idiots decided to loot, steal, and complain. Freaking pathetic punks, including the cops.
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People need to quit blaming Bush and co. about Katrina. It wasn't their fault...the local and state government of LA dropped the ball big time with that situation. Last, but not least, New Orleans is in a hurricane zone just like I am. It's called being prepared! Our local and state government tells us every year that if even a category one were to hit we need to be prepared to survive on our own for up to a week. That increases as the strength of the storm increases. I don't want to here about poor people not being able to do that either...you would be surprised at what you can put away for a rainy day if you just budget correctly.
This nanny state mentality about blaming the government for not coming to the rescue is sickening. Get over it!!!
I never blamed Bush at all in this thread. The majority of people blamed Bush for it and Obama knew that and knew it would be dumb to not enact something to allow a quicker response by the government.
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I never blamed Bush at all in this thread. The majority of people blamed Bush for it and Obama knew that and knew it would be dumb to not enact something to allow a quicker response by the government.
Lets place blame where it belonged:
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I don't care to play the blame game over Katrina. It doesn't matter in the end because guess what? The public perception is and was that Bush and the US Government was far too slow.
This is a smart move by Obama because should anything happen they will likely have a quicker response and be able to help more people a lot faster. I don't see how this is an issue, the government stepping up in a time of crisis is what it's there for.
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Lets place blame where it belonged:
I can just see it now: "We own your student loans, work in the hospital or pay us back within 20 days". :)
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I can just see it now: "We own your student loans, work in the hospital or pay us back within 20 days". :)
This really in unbelievable when you think about it.
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This really in unbelievable when you think about it.
It takes more than doctors and nurses to make a hospital run, LOL!
This might be a great way for people in the private sector to give back. :)
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I never blamed Bush at all in this thread. The majority of people blamed Bush for it and Obama knew that and knew it would be dumb to not enact something to allow a quicker response by the government.
I never said you did, and I didn't mean to imply that. Even with Obama doing this for public perception is still wrong. My gripe is with the people of this country that expect the government to handle everything.
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I never said you did, and I didn't mean to imply that. Even with Obama doing this for public perception is still wrong. My gripe is with the people of this country that expect the government to handle everything.
"Ask not, what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you."
333386, March 25, 2010
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I never said you did, and I didn't mean to imply that. Even with Obama doing this for public perception is still wrong. My gripe is with the people of this country that expect the government to handle everything.
I don't believe they should handle everything, but government assistance is a necessary part of the equation regarding disaster response. People should take the initiative and prepare better i agree, but that doesn't mean that the government can't help. It's this fend for yourself belief that is destroying our country. If you are not prepared to help another person in a time of crisis then why are you even living in a society? Society is about cooperation and inclusion, if you start to turn your backs on people then why not go live with your family somewhere where you don't have to worry about anyone else and you can just be all about yourself.
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I don't believe they should handle everything, but government assistance is a necessary part of the equation regarding disaster response. People should take the initiative and prepare better i agree, but that doesn't mean that the government can't help. It's this fend for yourself belief that is destroying our country. If you are not prepared to help another person in a time of crisis then why are you even living in a society? Society is about cooperation and inclusion, if you start to turn your backs on people then why not go live with your family somewhere where you don't have to worry about anyone else and you can just be all about yourself.
We already have layer upon layer of govt. Enough is enough.
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We already have layer upon layer of govt. Enough is enough.
To you perhaps. Do not forget the people voted in this. More people are now in favor of health care. You are losing the battle 333. America is changing whether you like it or not.
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To you perhaps. Do not forget the people voted in this. More people are now in favor of health care. You are losing the battle 333. America is changing whether you like it or not.
Maybe when we have 25% UE an all state govts collapse due to the insanity you people will understand how perilous your ideology is.
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Maybe when we have 25% UE an all state govts collapse due to the insanity you people will understand how perilous your ideology is.
we would have had more if you'd have your way 333. YOUR ideology ruined this country. MY ideology will save it. People voted in the most liberal president in history for a REASON. They want change. They now have change. THIS is the will of the people.
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we would have had more if you'd have your way 333. YOUR ideology ruined this country. MY ideology will save it. People voted in the most liberal president in history for a REASON. They want change. They now have change. THIS is the will of the people.
www.usdebtclock.org
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www.usdebtclock.org
your point being how capitalism got us into this mess? Thanks for reaffirming my point for me.
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your point being how capitalism got us into this mess? Thanks for reaffirming my point for me.
SORRY kc - look at the two biggest items. SS and Medicare. Those two programs are going to end this nation.
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To you perhaps. Do not forget the people voted in this. More people are now in favor of health care. You are losing the battle 333. America is changing whether you like it or not.
If memory serves, he promised a national health care plan that would not raise taxes. Nice spin but only the brainless could have believed it could be done without a tax increase.
Certainly any failure of this plan will be due to republicans fighting the necessary tax increases or insurance companies declaring bankruptcy (after taking profits) before healthcare gets fully nationalized.
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If memory serves, he promised a national health care plan that would not raise taxes. Nice spin but only the brainless could have believed it could be done without a tax increase.
Certainly any failure of this plan will be due to republicans fighting the necessary tax increases or insurance companies declaring bankruptcy (after taking profits) before healthcare gets fully nationalized.
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I don't believe they should handle everything, but government assistance is a necessary part of the equation regarding disaster response. People should take the initiative and prepare better i agree, but that doesn't mean that the government can't help. It's this fend for yourself belief that is destroying our country. If you are not prepared to help another person in a time of crisis then why are you even living in a society? Society is about cooperation and inclusion, if you start to turn your backs on people then why not go live with your family somewhere where you don't have to worry about anyone else and you can just be all about yourself.
Again, you missed my whole point of my first post. While government assistance may be needed in a time of crisis it is not the fault of government when they are slow to respond. People just expected government to be there to handle everything. That is not the job of government. The private sector does a much better job than the government could ever hope to achieve. It's the fend for yourself that brought our country to greatness in the first place. Government intervention into forcing people to help only creates disillusion, confusion, and disunity among the people; that is exactly what most government programs do and cause to our populace. I and people like 333 don't turn our backs on people; we just help people that are willing to help themselves. To help people that refuse to help themselves is redundant at best. Please don't come t me with underprivileged children or ththe disabled etc. You know what I mean.
Atlas Shrugged, go read it gentlemen. KC, even in that book Ayn Rand had your philosophy figured out. Even if you don't agree it's a great read so I highly recommend it! ;D
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Again, you missed my whole point of my first post. While government assistance may be needed in a time of crisis it is not the fault of government when they are slow to respond. People just expected government to be there to handle everything. That is not the job of government. The private sector does a much better job than the government could ever hope to achieve. It's the fend for yourself that brought our country to greatness in the first place. Government intervention into forcing people to help only creates disillusion, confusion, and disunity among the people; that is exactly what most government programs do and cause to our populace. I and people like 333 don't turn our backs on people; we just help people that are willing to help themselves. To help people that refuse to help themselves is redundant at best. Please don't come t me with underprivileged children or ththe disabled etc. You know what I mean.
Atlas Shrugged, go read it gentlemen. KC, even in that book Ayn Rand had your philosophy figured out. Even if you don't agree it's a great read so I highly recommend it! ;D
The private sector does a better job of being a capitalist company yes, in that respect they are far and away better than the government. The government is better at helping the people. Just look at medical insurance companies, great model for a profit making company. Fantastic returns, bullet proof sector because people always need health care but in the end it doesn't help as much as a government program could. Why? Because it's costly to cover someone with cancer or HIV. It's easier to cut them loose for some minor thing than to pay out. That is the corporate way.
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The private sector does a better job of being a capitalist company yes, in that respect they are far and away better than the government. The government is better at helping the people. Just look at medical insurance companies, great model for a profit making company. Fantastic returns, bullet proof sector because people always need health care but in the end it doesn't help as much as a government program could. Why? Because it's costly to cover someone with cancer or HIV. It's easier to cut them loose for some minor thing than to pay out. That is the corporate way.
Obesity, and many cases of cancers/HIV could have been avoided with responsible behavior.
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The private sector does a better job of being a capitalist company yes, in that respect they are far and away better than the government. The government is better at helping the people. Just look at medical insurance companies, great model for a profit making company. Fantastic returns, bullet proof sector because people always need health care but in the end it doesn't help as much as a government program could. Why? Because it's costly to cover someone with cancer or HIV. It's easier to cut them loose for some minor thing than to pay out. That is the corporate way.
No, the government is better at creating dependency. That has been proven many times over with many different programs. The private sector is not only represented be large corporations. The private sector includes the people that voluntarily give to charities and help people out of their own pocket and generosity. You are sadly mistaken if you think that the government can give healthcare cheaper than health insurance companies. It is just as costly to cover them under a government system as a private company. Please don't try to turn this into an insurance debate as that is not the subject of this thread, this thread was about the dependency of people on the government. The government will not stop spending, and we don't need tax increases...our representatives simply need to stop the spending period. The government will never be able to duplicate the ability of the people to take care of themselves or of people helping other people. This idea that some person can tell me what is best for me fis a slap in the face to every self governming American. That is why I am a bg believer in taking care of yourself...when the government does it to some people they will do it to all.
Drkaaje is correct with the personal responsiblity of people with AIDS/HIV and certain types of cancer.
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Drudge is only 5 days late on this.
He finally has it up.
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Obesity, and many cases of cancers/HIV could have been avoided with responsible behavior.
It is the private sector who pushed those plagues on us. Ads for Mcdonalds only showing think people, corn subsidies to lower the price of HFCS, cigarette lobbies and ads touting the health benefits of smoking. I would argue not enough government intervention was in place and allowed those companies to exploit the American people with lies.
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It is the private sector who pushed those plagues on us. Ads for Mcdonalds only showing think people, corn subsidies to lower the price of HFCS, cigarette lobbies and ads touting the health benefits of smoking. I would argue not enough government intervention was in place and allowed those companies to exploit the American people with lies.
you would have made the perfect commisar.
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No, the government is better at creating dependency. That has been proven many times over with many different programs. The private sector is not only represented be large corporations. The private sector includes the people that voluntarily give to charities and help people out of their own pocket and generosity. You are sadly mistaken if you think that the government can give healthcare cheaper than health insurance companies. It is just as costly to cover them under a government system as a private company. Please don't try to turn this into an insurance debate as that is not the subject of this thread, this thread was about the dependency of people on the government. The government will not stop spending, and we don't need tax increases...our representatives simply need to stop the spending period. The government will never be able to duplicate the ability of the people to take care of themselves or of people helping other people. This idea that some person can tell me what is best for me fis a slap in the face to every self governming American. That is why I am a bg believer in taking care of yourself...when the government does it to some people they will do it to all.
Drkaaje is correct with the personal responsiblity of people with AIDS/HIV and certain types of cancer.
I'm not trying to change the thread just using it as an example where dollars don't equal help for the people, especially those who need it most.
If you are so big on self governance i'm curious what your stance is on troops who fight in our wars and need help when they try to reenter society. Are you a believer in cutting help to them?
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I may end up working abroad.
If I'm going to be poor it may as well be on a beach. :)
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you would have made the perfect commisar.
haha oh 333 you blind little man. Lets just have the corporations tell lies to the people so they get sick. fu*k em right? It's their own fault for believing right? How sad and delusional you are. I have a hard time wondering how you even exist in society as a whole. You don't care about anyone else but yourself, you don't care to hear opposing view points, all you care about is what can be done for you, not what can be done to better society. It was that small minded concept that led us down this dark path and ruined our middle class.
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I may end up working abroad.
If I'm going to be poor it may as well be on a beach. :)
I know a Chiro who does something called NUCCA and he only accepts cash. He wont deal with anything else and said this HCR is a DISASTER for doctors.
He said he will never take insurance and he just gives his clients the forms to fill out and tells them to deal with it on their own. That is the way it should be.
The govt has no business in medical care whatsoever and is making things far worse.
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haha oh 333 you blind little man. Lets just have the corporations tell lies to the people so they get sick. fu*k em right? It's their own fault for believing right? How sad and delusional you are. I have a hard time wondering how you even exist in society as a whole. You don't care about anyone else but yourself, you don't care to hear opposing view points, all you care about is what can be done for you, not what can be done to better society. It was that small minded concept that led us down this dark path and ruined our middle class.
No, I believe in INDIVIDIUAL liberty, freedom, rights, and destiny over all else.
You believe in collectivism, big govt, nanny state, big brother, etc. its a different mind set entirely.
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No, I believe in INDIVIDIUAL liberty, freedom, rights, and destiny over all else.
You believe in collectivism, big govt, nanny state, big brother, etc. its a different mind set entirely.
I believe in personal responsibility within a frame work set out and enforced by the government (can't vote out CEO's can you?) to help Americans live a better, healthier life.
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No, I believe in INDIVIDIUAL liberty, freedom, rights, and destiny over all else.
You believe in collectivism, big govt, nanny state, big brother, etc. its a different mind set entirely.
Since you believe those things why are you against gay marriage?
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I know a Chiro who does something called NUCCA and he only accepts cash. He wont deal with anything else and said this HCR is a DISASTER for doctors.
He said he will never take insurance and he just gives his clients the forms to fill out and tells them to deal with it on their own. That is the way it should be.
The govt has no business in medical care whatsoever and is making things far worse.
Glad I got out of the chiro business. They'll be affected by Medicare cuts but it's difficult to guess the effect insurance changes will have on practices. My guess is it won't be good.
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Since you believe those things why are you against gay marriage?
I'm not against gay marriage if the voters want it. I have said that many times.
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I'm not against gay marriage if the voters want it. I have said that many times.
Who cares what the voters want?! :)
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Who cares what the voters want?! :)
Yeah no kidding. The voters in CA voted to not allow illegals any more bens and the pofs judge threw it out.
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I'm not trying to change the thread just using it as an example where dollars don't equal help for the people, especially those who need it most.
If you are so big on self governance i'm curious what your stance is on troops who fight in our wars and need help when they try to reenter society. Are you a believer in cutting help to them?
Now you are comparing apples to oranges. I believe in giving our vets help because of the sacrifice they put forth for our country. Cutting government help for people that just think they deserve it is another issue entirely. Not to mention that I believe we should shut down half of our bases around the world and also bring troops home from the two current wars we are in. I have been against these wars and the number of bases that we have for a very long time now.
Individual sovereignty is how men are meant to live. Other people have no right to other's hard work and earnings through taxation and government programs. That is what is becoming of our society, people think they have a right to everything. Who pays for these things? That's right, the hard working, tax paying, American.
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Now you are comparing apples to oranges. I believe in giving our vets help because of the sacrifice they put forth for our country. Cutting government help for people that just think they deserve it is another issue entirely. Not to mention that I believe we should shut down half of our bases around the world and also bring troops home from the two current wars we are in. I have been against these wars and the number of bases that we have for a very long time now.
Individual sovereignty is how men are meant to live. Other people have no right to other's hard work and earnings through taxation and government programs. That is what is becoming of our society, people think they have a right to everything. Who pays for these things? That's right, the hard working, tax paying, American.
30 years of marxist indoctrination in public schools is now in full bloom. We have greedy pigs in this country looking to loot the pockets of other taxpayers for no other reason than that they are to damn lazy to anything for themselves.
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30 years of marxist indoctrination in public schools is now in full bloom. We have greedy pigs in this country looking to loot the pockets of other taxpayers for no other reason than that they are to damn lazy to anything for themselves.
Not necessarily laziness...people just think they have a right to everything these days due to indoctrination. This is not true and is contrary to what this country was founded on. A man's work is his property, and our current system basically tells a man that isn't true. Nobody has a right to your work, money, or property. This is contrary to individual sovereignty.
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Not necessarily laziness...people just think they have a right to everything these days due to indoctrination. This is not true and is contrary to what this country was founded on. A man's work is his property, and our current system basically tells a man that isn't true. Nobody has a right to your work, money, or property. This is contrary to individual sovereignty.
Other than killing a baby, most leftists like KC do not believe in the concept of a man owns his property, labor, body, soverignty, destiny and self determination.
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I'm beginning to think that. ;D
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I'm beginning to think that. ;D
What took you so long?
This is nothing new.
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