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Re: ObamaCare creates a "READY RESERVE CORPS" - SECTION 430.
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2010, 12:11:57 PM »
People need to quit blaming Bush and co. about Katrina.  It wasn't their fault...the local and state government of LA dropped the ball big time with that situation.  Last, but not least, New Orleans is in a hurricane zone just like I am.  It's called being prepared!  Our local and state government tells us every year that if even a category one were to hit we need to be prepared to survive on our own for up to a week.  That increases as the strength of the storm increases.  I don't want to here about poor people not being able to do that either...you would be surprised at what you can put away for a rainy day if you just budget correctly. 

This nanny state mentality about blaming the government for not coming to the rescue is sickening.  Get over it!!!

I never blamed Bush at all in this thread.  The majority of people blamed Bush for it and Obama knew that and knew it would be dumb to not enact something to allow a quicker response by the government. 
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2010, 12:13:27 PM »
I never blamed Bush at all in this thread.  The majority of people blamed Bush for it and Obama knew that and knew it would be dumb to not enact something to allow a quicker response by the government. 

Lets place blame where it belonged: 


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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2010, 12:17:05 PM »
I don't care to play the blame game over Katrina.  It doesn't matter in the end because guess what?  The public perception is and was that Bush and the US Government was far too slow. 

This is a smart move by Obama because should anything happen they will likely have a quicker response and be able to help more people a lot faster.  I don't see how this is an issue, the government stepping up in a time of crisis is what it's there for. 
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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2010, 12:18:06 PM »
Lets place blame where it belonged: 



I can just see it now: "We own your student loans, work in the hospital or pay us back within 20 days". :)

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« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2010, 12:20:21 PM »
I can just see it now: "We own your student loans, work in the hospital or pay us back within 20 days". :)

This really in unbelievable when you think about it. 

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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2010, 12:26:48 PM »
This really in unbelievable when you think about it. 

It takes more than doctors and nurses to make a hospital run, LOL!

This might be a great way for people in the private sector to give back. :)

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« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2010, 12:41:29 PM »
I never blamed Bush at all in this thread.  The majority of people blamed Bush for it and Obama knew that and knew it would be dumb to not enact something to allow a quicker response by the government. 

I never said you did, and I didn't mean to imply that.  Even with Obama doing this for public perception is still wrong.  My gripe is with the people of this country that expect the government to handle everything. 

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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2010, 12:43:46 PM »
I never said you did, and I didn't mean to imply that.  Even with Obama doing this for public perception is still wrong.  My gripe is with the people of this country that expect the government to handle everything. 

"Ask not, what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you."

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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2010, 01:00:20 PM »
I never said you did, and I didn't mean to imply that.  Even with Obama doing this for public perception is still wrong.  My gripe is with the people of this country that expect the government to handle everything. 

I don't believe they should handle everything, but government assistance is a necessary part of the equation regarding disaster response.  People should take the initiative and prepare better i agree, but that doesn't mean that the government can't help.  It's this fend for yourself belief that is destroying our country.  If you are not prepared to help another person in a time of crisis then why are you even living in a society?  Society is about cooperation and inclusion, if you start to turn your backs on people then why not go live with your family somewhere where you don't have to worry about anyone else and you can just be all about yourself. 
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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2010, 01:02:57 PM »
I don't believe they should handle everything, but government assistance is a necessary part of the equation regarding disaster response.  People should take the initiative and prepare better i agree, but that doesn't mean that the government can't help.  It's this fend for yourself belief that is destroying our country.  If you are not prepared to help another person in a time of crisis then why are you even living in a society?  Society is about cooperation and inclusion, if you start to turn your backs on people then why not go live with your family somewhere where you don't have to worry about anyone else and you can just be all about yourself. 

We already have layer upon layer of govt.  Enough is enough. 

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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2010, 01:09:05 PM »
We already have layer upon layer of govt.  Enough is enough. 

To you perhaps.  Do not forget the people voted in this.  More people are now in favor of health care.  You are losing the battle 333.  America is changing whether you like it or not. 
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2010, 01:10:21 PM »
To you perhaps.  Do not forget the people voted in this.  More people are now in favor of health care.  You are losing the battle 333.  America is changing whether you like it or not. 

Maybe when we have 25% UE an all state govts collapse due to the insanity you people will understand how perilous your ideology is. 

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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2010, 01:12:45 PM »
Maybe when we have 25% UE an all state govts collapse due to the insanity you people will understand how perilous your ideology is. 

we would have had more if you'd have your way 333.  YOUR ideology ruined this country.  MY ideology will save it.  People voted in the most liberal president in history for a REASON.  They want change.  They now have change.  THIS is the will of the people. 
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2010, 01:15:41 PM »
we would have had more if you'd have your way 333.  YOUR ideology ruined this country.  MY ideology will save it.  People voted in the most liberal president in history for a REASON.  They want change.  They now have change.  THIS is the will of the people. 

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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2010, 01:16:52 PM »
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your point being how capitalism got us into this mess?  Thanks for reaffirming my point for me. 
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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2010, 01:23:09 PM »
your point being how capitalism got us into this mess?  Thanks for reaffirming my point for me. 

SORRY kc - look at the two biggest items.  SS and Medicare.  Those two programs are going to end this nation. 

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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2010, 01:53:08 PM »
To you perhaps.  Do not forget the people voted in this.  More people are now in favor of health care.  You are losing the battle 333.  America is changing whether you like it or not. 

If memory serves, he promised a national health care plan that would not raise taxes. Nice spin but only the brainless could have believed it could be done without a tax increase.

Certainly any failure of this plan will be due to republicans fighting the necessary tax increases or insurance companies declaring bankruptcy (after taking profits) before healthcare gets fully nationalized.

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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2010, 01:55:59 PM »
If memory serves, he promised a national health care plan that would not raise taxes. Nice spin but only the brainless could have believed it could be done without a tax increase.

Certainly any failure of this plan will be due to republicans fighting the necessary tax increases or insurance companies declaring bankruptcy (after taking profits) before healthcare gets fully nationalized.

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« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2010, 08:39:05 AM »
I don't believe they should handle everything, but government assistance is a necessary part of the equation regarding disaster response.  People should take the initiative and prepare better i agree, but that doesn't mean that the government can't help.  It's this fend for yourself belief that is destroying our country.  If you are not prepared to help another person in a time of crisis then why are you even living in a society?  Society is about cooperation and inclusion, if you start to turn your backs on people then why not go live with your family somewhere where you don't have to worry about anyone else and you can just be all about yourself. 

Again, you missed my whole point of my first post.  While government assistance may be needed in a time of crisis it is not the fault of government when they are slow to respond.  People just expected government to be there to handle everything.  That is not the job of government.  The private sector does a much better job than the government could ever hope to achieve.  It's the fend for yourself that brought our country to greatness in the first place.  Government intervention into forcing people to help only creates disillusion, confusion, and disunity among the people; that is exactly what most government programs do and cause to our populace.  I and people like 333 don't turn our backs on people; we just help people that are willing to help themselves.  To help people that refuse to help themselves is redundant at best.  Please don't come t me with underprivileged children or ththe disabled etc.  You know what I mean. 

Atlas Shrugged, go read it gentlemen.  KC, even in that book Ayn Rand had your philosophy figured out.  Even if you don't agree it's a great read so I highly recommend it!  ;D

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« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2010, 09:08:05 AM »
Again, you missed my whole point of my first post.  While government assistance may be needed in a time of crisis it is not the fault of government when they are slow to respond.  People just expected government to be there to handle everything.  That is not the job of government.  The private sector does a much better job than the government could ever hope to achieve.  It's the fend for yourself that brought our country to greatness in the first place.  Government intervention into forcing people to help only creates disillusion, confusion, and disunity among the people; that is exactly what most government programs do and cause to our populace.  I and people like 333 don't turn our backs on people; we just help people that are willing to help themselves.  To help people that refuse to help themselves is redundant at best.  Please don't come t me with underprivileged children or ththe disabled etc.  You know what I mean. 

Atlas Shrugged, go read it gentlemen.  KC, even in that book Ayn Rand had your philosophy figured out.  Even if you don't agree it's a great read so I highly recommend it!  ;D

The private sector does a better job of being a capitalist company yes, in that respect they are far and away better than the government.  The government is better at helping the people.  Just look at medical insurance companies, great model for a profit making company.  Fantastic returns, bullet proof sector because people always need health care but in the end it doesn't help as much as a government program could.  Why?  Because it's costly to cover someone with cancer or HIV.  It's easier to cut them loose for some minor thing than to pay out.  That is the corporate way. 
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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2010, 09:20:57 AM »
The private sector does a better job of being a capitalist company yes, in that respect they are far and away better than the government.  The government is better at helping the people.  Just look at medical insurance companies, great model for a profit making company.  Fantastic returns, bullet proof sector because people always need health care but in the end it doesn't help as much as a government program could.  Why?  Because it's costly to cover someone with cancer or HIV.  It's easier to cut them loose for some minor thing than to pay out.  That is the corporate way. 

Obesity, and many cases of cancers/HIV could have been avoided with responsible behavior.

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« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2010, 09:37:14 AM »
The private sector does a better job of being a capitalist company yes, in that respect they are far and away better than the government.  The government is better at helping the people.  Just look at medical insurance companies, great model for a profit making company.  Fantastic returns, bullet proof sector because people always need health care but in the end it doesn't help as much as a government program could.  Why?  Because it's costly to cover someone with cancer or HIV.  It's easier to cut them loose for some minor thing than to pay out.  That is the corporate way. 

No, the government is better at creating dependency.  That has been proven many times over with many different programs.  The private sector is not only represented be large corporations.  The private sector includes the people that voluntarily give to charities and help people out of their own pocket and generosity.  You are sadly mistaken if you think that the government can give healthcare cheaper than health insurance companies.  It is just as costly to cover them under a government system as a private company.  Please don't try to turn this into an insurance debate as that is not the subject of this thread, this thread was about the dependency of people on the government.  The government will not stop spending, and we don't need tax increases...our representatives simply need to stop the spending period.  The government will never be able to duplicate the ability of the people to take care of themselves or of people helping other people. This idea that some person can tell me what is best for me fis a slap in the face to every self governming American.  That is why I am a bg believer in taking care of yourself...when the government does it to some people they will do it to all. 

Drkaaje is correct with the personal responsiblity of people with AIDS/HIV and certain types of cancer. 

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« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2010, 09:49:14 AM »
Drudge is only 5 days late on this. 

He finally has it up. 


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« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2010, 09:59:43 AM »
Obesity, and many cases of cancers/HIV could have been avoided with responsible behavior.

It is the private sector who pushed those plagues on us.  Ads for Mcdonalds only showing think people, corn subsidies to lower the price of HFCS, cigarette lobbies and ads touting the health benefits of smoking.  I would argue not enough government intervention was in place and allowed those companies to exploit the American people with lies. 
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« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2010, 10:00:56 AM »
It is the private sector who pushed those plagues on us.  Ads for Mcdonalds only showing think people, corn subsidies to lower the price of HFCS, cigarette lobbies and ads touting the health benefits of smoking.  I would argue not enough government intervention was in place and allowed those companies to exploit the American people with lies. 

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