Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Eric15210 on April 01, 2010, 11:43:27 AM
-
Attempts to blockade soldiers inside their bases were part of seven attacks across two northern border states of Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon.
Drug gangs in Mexico have attacked two army bases in a serious escalation in the country's drug war.
Eighteen gang members died in the ensuing gun battles, in which gunmen attacked in force in bulletproof vehicles, using hand grenades and assault rifles.
The attempts to blockade soldiers inside their bases were part of seven attacks across two northern border states of Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon - areas that have seen escalating violence in recent months.
Army General Edgar Luis Villegas called the attacks "desperate reactions by criminal gangs to the progress being made by federal authorities" on
He said gunmen parked trucks and SUVs outside a military base in the border city of Reynosa trying to block troops from leaving. At the same time, other armed men blocked several streets leading to a garrison in the nearby border city of Matamoros.
And yet another gang opened fire from several vehicles on soldiers guarding a road in General Bravo, in Nuevo Leon.
Troops fought back, killing 18 gunmen and wounding two.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04/01/mexican-drug-gangs-attack-army-bases-near-border/
The violence mainly involves a fight between the Gulf cartel and its former allies, the Zetas - a gang of hit men.
The cartel, which has apparently formed an alliance with other cartels seeking to exterminate the Zetas, has been warning people in the region that the conflict would get worse over the coming months.
-
This is what RAMBO 5 is going to be about.
-
Embarrassing how little we have done to stop the cartels taking hold in those countries. The standard of living around us is directly related to the standard of living we ourselves enjoy.
-
Embarrassing how little we have done to stop the cartels taking hold in those countries. The standard of living around us is directly related to the standard of living we ourselves enjoy.
i agree. We certainly have a very real vested interest in our bordering neighbors, but prefer to jaunt half-way around the world. Two problems though, if we did try to get involved we would be labeled as "meddling in other nations affairs" and two, there has to be some serious cash changing hands to keep the flood gates open to the US...
-
i agree. We certainly have a very real vested interest in our bordering neighbors, but prefer to jaunt half-way around the world. Two problems though, if we did try to get involved we would be labeled as "meddling in other nations affairs" and two, there has to be some serious cash changing hands to keep the flood gates open to the US...
1. Bring the troops home and put them on the border.
2. Pay out of work rednecks with rifles $100 a day to patrol the border.
3. Detain, debrief, deport!
4. Lay mines, ieds, etc in well crossed paths.
5. Fill all water holes with piss and arsnic.
6. Illegals that are captured must work building a 2010 sytle Hadrians' wall.
-
2nd that ^
-
The landmine idea is a great one.
Mexicans are going to keep coming until there is some real deterrant to coming. Concentration camps for border jumpers would get the word out real quick.
When your only consequence to breaking the law is to get a ticket home... Sure wish I could have got that deal a little more often back in college....
-
1. Bring the troops home and put them on the border.
2. Pay out of work rednecks with rifles $100 a day to patrol the border.
3. Detain, debrief, deport!
4. Lay mines, ieds, etc in well crossed paths.
5. Fill all water holes with piss and arsnic.
6. Illegals that are captured must work building a 2010 sytle Hadrians' wall.
You do realize that these aren't illegal immigrants, don't you? These are Mexicans who live in Mexico, who are armed with US Military weapons and gear that they obtained illegally from the US. Your rednecks with rifles wouldn't stand a chance.
-
You do realize that these aren't illegal immigrants, don't you? These are Mexicans who live in Mexico, who are armed with US Military weapons and gear that they obtained illegally from the US. Your rednecks with rifles wouldn't stand a chance.
I think a redneck would have a decent chance at 300 yards with a typical .308 Remi 700 Tactical. ;D
-
I think a redneck would have a decent chance at 300 yards with a typical .308 Remi 700 Tactical. ;D
Decent chance against bullet proof SUVs full of Mexicans armed with US military weapons and body armor? These guys have lots of drug money, and lots of money buys them just about anything they want. That's why even the Mexican military is afraid of them.
But I would like to see the US military or especial ops go in there and kick some drug lord butt. Those Mexican gangsters may have money and US military weapons, but they don't have US military training...unless they figure out that they can hire Black Water to train them too.
-
Decent chance against bullet proof SUVs full of Mexicans armed with US military weapons and body armor? These guys have lots of drug money, and lots of money buys them just about anything they want. That's why even the Mexican military is afraid of them.
But I would like to see the US military or especial ops go in there and kick some drug lord butt. Those Mexican gangsters may have money and US military weapons, but they don't have US military training...unless they figure out that they can hire Black Water to train them too.
I agree with loco here.
Money, fanatical gang loyality, great weapons and armoured vechiles makes them dangerous.
Just like the pirates in Somalia.
AND all these groups know the army or cops cant just take them out........... it is the law.
Makes them brave
-
Same shit happens here every day.... criminals know goofy liberal laws will protect them from any consequences.
So it becomes open season on decent law-abiding people.
Lets take all the money wasted on welfare social programs and beef up the CIA to deal with these terrorists.
-
1. Bring the troops home and put them on the border.
2. Pay out of work rednecks with rifles $100 a day to patrol the border.
3. Detain, debrief, deport!
4. Lay mines, ieds, etc in well crossed paths.
5. Fill all water holes with piss and arsnic.
6. Illegals that are captured must work building a 2010 sytle Hadrians' wall.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!
You're talking about planting IED's on US soil? You got Americans dying in Iraq & Afghanistan from IEDs, and you want to plant IEDs and mines on US soil, poison lakes and revive slave labour? ??? All in an effort to deal with foreign drug gangs operating in a foreign country? And how many Americans are gonna die as a result. How much American livestock or people would get poisoned as a result. How much ground water or wells get posioned? You are a complete idiot!!! >:(
-
We need "CHANGE".
-
You do realize that these aren't illegal immigrants, don't you? These are Mexicans who live in Mexico, who are armed with US Military weapons and gear that they obtained illegally from the US. Your rednecks with rifles wouldn't stand a chance.
Shhhhh... you might burst his bubble with facts. Either he doesn't realize these are Mexicans living in Mexico, or he's advocating rounding up a redneck coalition of the willing to invade yet another country.
-
start using the drone predators to take out drug cartel
(http://www.the-gates-of-hell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/predator1.jpg)
-
Shhhhh... you might burst his bubble with facts. Either he doesn't realize these are Mexicans living in Mexico, or he's advocating rounding up a redneck coalition of the willing to invade yet another country.
Sounds good to me. We need hope and change on the border to end this crap and send a message to these beasts and savages that a country boy will survive and take those bastards out.
-
Same shit happens here every day.... criminals know goofy liberal laws will protect them from any consequences.
So it becomes open season on decent law-abiding people.
Lets take all the money wasted on welfare social programs and beef up the CIA to deal with these terrorists.
This was not a case of open season on law abiding citizens. It was a case of a para-military attacck on an army base. let the army deal with it, ...that's what they are there for, ...or do you like 333386 believe that rednecks with guns are more capable than the Mexican army?
-
This was not a case of open season on law abiding citizens. It was a case of a para-military attacck on an army base. let the army deal with it, ...that's what they are there for, ...or do you like 333386 believe that rednecks with guns are more capable than the Mexican army?
Dont you watch the movies Jag?
-
Sounds good to me. We need hope and change on the border to end this crap and send a message to these beasts and savages that a country boy will survive and take those bastards out.
I remember the last time you guys rounded up a 'coalition of the willing' to go invade a foreign country.
How'd that work out for you? From my perspective, it bankrupted your country, and brought it to it's knees. Another kick at the can might actually have you start sucking. let me know how it tastes ;D
btw - I think those predator drones will be used on US citizens before they get used on Mexicans.
If you don't believe me, ...go ask your Airforce buddy, if you haven't kicked him out of the class yet.
-
Dont you watch the movies Jag?
::) Oh good grief, ...what was I thinking?
carry on with your little 'Red Dawn' fantasy. ::)
-
Ha ha. you know a new version is being released this year right?
-
Ha ha. you know a new version is being released this year right?
:o oh cripes... I can hardly wait...NOT! lol
Who will it be this time?
Are they still going to portray the Russians as the invading foes... or will it be some other nation vilified?
-
:o oh cripes... I can hardly wait...NOT! lol
Who will it be this time?
Are they still going to portray the Russians as the invading foes... or will it be some other nation vilified?
China, after a major economic collapse occurs. ;D
-
This was not a case of open season on law abiding citizens. It was a case of a para-military attacck on an army base. let the army deal with it, ...that's what they are there for, ...or do you like 333386 believe that rednecks with guns are more capable than the Mexican army?
Point was... The mexican criminals aren't going to stop doing their shananagans any time soon because they know there is no real consequences... just like criminals here in the US.
And for the record... YES. I believe rednecks with guns are more capable than the mexican army. I believe a herd of school children on a field trip to the zoo is more capable than the mexican army.
-
China, after a major economic collapse occurs. ;D
Sounds like an interesting premise... I'll run with it. But what are we going to do about Jackie Chan?
You can't have Jackie Chan in a movie where he get's his butt kicked, or is cast as the bad guy? That would be sacriledge... downright blasphemy! And the same with Jet Li. You wouldn't be able to cast it. And since it's a hollywood style mental masturbation flick... the USA has to win in the end. not for any technical or plausible reasons, simply so Americans can jerk themselves off, beat their chests and chant "We're #1" over & over.
-
Sounds like an interesting premise... I'll run with it. But what are we going to do about Jackie Chan?
You can't have Jackie Chan in a movie where he get's his butt kicked, or is cast as the bad guy? That would be sacriledge... downright blasphemy! And the same with Jet Li. You wouldn't be able to cast it. And since it's a hollywood style mental masturbation flick... the USA has to win in the end. not for any technical or plausible reasons, simply so Americans can jerk themselves off, beat their chests and chant "We're #1" over & over.
Red Dawn is one of my favorite movies ever. WOLVERINES!
-
And how could we ever forget?
-
This was not a case of open season on law abiding citizens. It was a case of a para-military attacck on an army base. let the army deal with it, ...that's what they are there for, ...or do you like 333386 believe that rednecks with guns are more capable than the Mexican army?
The Mexican army is completely incapable, I'm voting for the rednecks.
-
you have to believe CIA has some type of surveillance watching these pricks every move. Its time to push the red button.
-
And how could we ever forget?
Did you ever wonder why the adults never stepped up and fought? Honestly though, Red Dawn is one of my favorite guilty pleasure movies. I will definitely be going to see the remake.
-
Did you ever wonder why the adults never stepped up and fought? Honestly though, Red Dawn is one of my favorite guilty pleasure movies. I will definitely be going to see the remake.
I thought they were rounded up first. Remember they got out got their shit and ran tot he hills?
Not to divert, but I always wondered by the Jews allowed themselves to be taken to the camps since that would be a similar real life situation where that occured.
-
the problem is the demand.
You can find a hundred ways to patch up the dam, but water pressure will keep on causing new holes to appear. The key is to stop the water from arriving.
Triple the prison time for all american drug crimes.
I know, libertarians say legalize, but they don't talk about solutions to this violence.
Triple the prison time. This puts a lot of people to work building prisons and then manning them. It also takes a lot of drug users off the welfare teet when they get locked up.
American casual drug users will decide it's not worth 5 years in prison to score, so they'll stop doing drugs as much. This will leave MEX with a whole lot of drugs to sell to someone else.
We obviously choose not to stop the supply - we could mine borders, use planes, militias, etc and stop it. But we don't. So why not end demand? Unless you are going to play ultra-lib and cry that junkie on the corner (already breaking the law for the 2000th time this year) deserves his freedom?
-
I thought they were rounded up first. Remember they got out got their shit and ran tot he hills?
Not to divert, but I always wondered by the Jews allowed themselves to be taken to the camps since that would be a similar real life situation where that occured.
They were, but why did they allow themselves to be rounded up?
240, the CTer in me says there is a very obvious reason why we don't stop the supply.
-
I thought they were rounded up first. Remember they got out got their shit and ran tot he hills?
Not to divert, but I always wondered by the Jews allowed themselves to be taken to the camps since that would be a similar real life situation where that occured.
Probably for the same reason the Japanese allowed Canadian & American officials to herd them into camps during WWII. Because there were men with guns herding them into the camps dah! ::)
It's not llike they knew in advance that they were going to die.
The racism on the part of North American governments was palpable tho.
They didn't do that to their European enemies (Germans Americans or German Canadians), ...but the Japanese... well... :-\
-
Probably for the same reason the Japanese allowed Canadian & American officials to herd them into camps during WWII. Because there were men with guns herding them into the camps dah! ::)
It's not llike they knew in advance that they were going to die.
The racism on the part of North American governments was palpable tho.
They didn't do that to their European enemies (Germans Americans or German Canadians), ...but the Japanese... well... :-\
I disagree, maybe the first jews did not know.
BTW - how many Japanese American citizens did we execute during WW2?
-
I disagree, maybe the first jews did not know.
BTW - how many Japanese American citizens did we execute during WW2?
I'm not claiming North Americans executed Japanese, just that they rounded them up and put them into camps.
The Germans did the same with the Jews. Subsequent jews rounded up would not have known they were being shipped to their deaths. How could they? It's not like the prisoners in Auschwitz could send a letter out, or make a phone call warning people not to get on the trains.
-
If I was a Jew living in prewar Germany, and I witnessed all the anti-jewish legislation being enacted.... Well that would be my cue to leave in a hurry...
:o
-
1. Bring the troops home and put them on the border.
...Peak Oil happened in 2003. Congratulations, this recommendation alone would reduce America to Third World status inside 5 years. Mexico is collapsing precisely because they passed peak oil production a few years ago.
2. Pay out of work rednecks with rifles $100 a day to patrol the border.
...with what?
America's border with Mexico is 1,969 miles long. Placing one redneck every quarter mile would cost at least a quarter billion dollars a year; or a cool billion once you add in the cost of three eight hour shifts... and that's real money, not computer entry trillions dished out to banks and billionaires (who don't spend it). Now add in the cost of fuel; shelter; equipment; support... troops would be cheaper: entry level privates in the American military often qualify for food stamps, they don't earn $500 to $700 dollars a week (tax free).
3. Detain, debrief, deport!
...at what cost? ...and for what purpose?
4. Lay mines, ieds, etc in well crossed paths.
...who gets this contract for 197 million landmines? ...and who pays for them? Not to mention this is a breach of the Geneva Convention.
5. Fill all water holes with piss and arsnic.
...another breach of the Geneva Convention, but on top of this: arsenic is expensive and piss isn't poisonous.
In low concentrations arsenic is actually a pick-me-up, lethal concentrations would spoil the water table for centuries with a heavy metal poison.
6. Illegals that are captured must work building a 2010 sytle Hadrians' wall.
...you do know that Hadrian's Wall was considered a joke by the Scots even when it was built? Don't you?
It's only four to five feet tall and within months of it being built the Scots had placed gates in it and started taxing Roman traders crossing the border.
333386, sometimes I think you type without thinking.
The CHEAPEST and EASIEST way to stabilise Mexico is to support the Mexican government directly (money and aid) and simply buy up the supply of street drugs (or similarly negate demand) passing into North America.
The Luke
-
If I was a Jew living in prewar Germany, and I witnessed all the anti-jewish legislation being enacted.... Well that would be my cue to leave in a hurry...
:o
Alot did... those with the financial ability to do so. Those that were poor... ended up in ghettos then camps.
My girlfriends parents owned a textile factory that actually manufactured the uniforms for the Nazis. They got out. took most of their wealth with them too. They converted it to diamonds and baked them into into loaves of bread which they carried with them. They went to Austria, ...and eventually had to leave there too. It wasn't until they eventually settled in Canada that they felt safe enough to actually put down roots and start a family. For 20 years... they kept their bags packed and were prepared to leave at a moment's notice.
-
333386, sometimes I think you type without thinking.
Only sometimes? ...I think it's waaaay more than only sometimes. :-X
-
Only sometimes? ...I think it's waaaay more than only sometimes. :-X