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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MindSpin on April 02, 2010, 04:15:28 PM
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discuss....
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No, not if you use common sense. you might be able to construct a technical argument in its favor but I ain't buyin any of that shit.
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you have to be in a sport to be considered a athelete....and since bodybuilding is NOT a sport....no!!!
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you have to be in a sport to be considered a athelete....and since bodybuilding is NOT a sport....no!!!
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Not true
Golf is considered a sport but golfers aren't athletes
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How about chess, synchronised swimming, curling etc? They're all considered "sports", some are even in the Olympic Games.
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Not true
Golf is considered a sport but golfers aren't athletes
golf is also not a sport....golf is a "event"...
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How about chess, synchronised swimming, curling etc? They're all considered "sports", some are even in the Olympic Games.
wrong...they are considered games......i never heard them say "2010 winter sports" on tv....they said "2010 winter games"
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wrong...they are considered games......i never heard them say "2010 winter sports" on tv....they said "2010 winter games"
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So, then what makes a sport a sport?
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So, then what makes a sport a sport?
actually fucking doing something...
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An average 5'8" 250lb bodybuilder that waddles around like a duck and can barely tie their own shoe is not an athlete, period. To me, the ideal athlete should be huge, quick, and strong. Few athletes fill all of those categories and look good while doing it.
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actually fucking doing something...
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Well, you're doing something in synchronized swimming. Just because it doesn't fit your criteria of actually doing something, it doesn't mean its not a sport. "Actually fucking doing something" will elicit a very subjective response.
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Not in the traditional sense, but it should be sub classified as such.
They call poker a sport too.
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Ask Chick
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Well, you're doing something in synchronized swimming. Just because it doesn't fit your criteria of actually doing something, it doesn't mean its not a sport. "Actually fucking doing something" will elicit a very subjective response.
i think synchronized swimming is actually a sport....but shit like golf, chess, curling...those are over glorified bar games...
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Not a chance
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Synchronised swimming is dancing, albeit in the water. Thus ballet or samba should be a "sport".
Bowling is a "sport" too.
I think that there's so many recreational activities today that anything people do, either professionaly or for fun,can be classified as a "sport".
At least bodybuilding has some sort of physical activity, other "sports" don't even have that.
Bodybuilding today might have been ridiculed on so many levels due to g4p, schmoes, drugs and all that but i think this pretty much goes for most "sports".
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Bodybuilding is a hobby. Just like fishing. There are competitions, but it still isn't a "sport."
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only to the extent that gay for pay requires athleticism. :-\
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Tom Prince had to have athleticism to stay balanced in the paper bags while dodging schmoe batter.
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yes
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Bodybuilding IS NOT a "sport" and bodybuilders ARE NOT "athletes"
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I think the ambivalence lies with what a bodybuilder has to do to prepare for a show. Their training regime is as demanding as any sport where strength and physical conditioning is required. In fact, I think more so because it is so all consuming. Truly a 24/7 commitment. What they put their bodies through is far more than what most sports require. Because it is so physical and such a high level of just pure exertion is required not to mentioned their extreme strength that few, save power/olympic lifters, can match. It is natural to think of them as athletes. But the actual event itself, the contest, is judge solely on appearence which has nothing to do with athletic perfromance. It's more of a pagent than a sport.
There's an inherent incongruity with bodybuilding. There's the training which is widely popular and the best overall way for a person to get into shape and appeals and is even respected among the masses. And then there is the bodybuilding contest itself which few are interested in and are generally replulsed by. It's an obscure subculture bordering on perverse and anyone interested in it are regarded as suspect. That's why whenever I'm perusing a bodybuilding mag I always make sure it's hidden inside another magazine like Granny Porn, Petite and Anal, Bukake Slutfest.... That way people don't think I'm weird or abnormal.
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Bodybuilding IS NOT a "sport" and bodybuilders ARE NOT "athletes"
all these years later you're still wrong
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Refer to personal text.
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I think the ambivalence lies with what a bodybuilder has to do to prepare for a show. Their training regime is as demanding as any sport where strength and physical conditioning is required. In fact, I think more so because it is so all consuming. Truly a 24/7 commitment. What they put their bodies through is far more than what most sports require. Because it is so physical and such a high level of just pure exertion is required not to mentioned their extreme strength that few, save power/olympic lifters, can match. It is natural to think of them as athletes. But the actual event itself, the contest, is judge solely on appearence which has nothing to do with athletic perfromance. It's more of a pagent than a sport.
There's an inherent incongruity with bodybuilding. There's the training which is widely popular and the best overall way for a person to get into shape and appeals and is even respected among the masses. And then there is the bodybuilding contest itself which few are interested in and are generally replulsed by. It's an obscure subculture bordering on perverse and anyone interested in it are regarded as suspect. That's why whenever I'm perusing a bodybuilding mag I always make sure it's hidden inside another magazine like Granny Porn, Petite and Anal, Bukake Slutfest.... That way people don't think I'm weird or abnormal.
You really think the training of bodybuilders is anywhere close to the training of endurance athletes?
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Bwwwaaaaaaaahhhhaaa. Men parading their greased up man-asses in public should never be accepted as a sport in polite society, although you could make a case for it being a bit more sporting back in the day when bodybuilders were expected to be lifters also. It is more a pageant, if anything.
It you wanted to class the strength sports by athletic ability, the order would be somewhat like this:
Strongman, Olympic Lifting, Powerlifting. Highland games might be shoe horned in there somewhere.
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I think the ambivalence lies with what a bodybuilder has to do to prepare for a show. Their training regime is as demanding as any sport where strength and physical conditioning is required. In fact, I think more so because it is so all consuming. Truly a 24/7 commitment. What they put their bodies through is far more than what most sports require. Because it is so physical and such a high level of just pure exertion is required not to mentioned their extreme strength that few, save power/olympic lifters, can match. It is natural to think of them as athletes. But the actual event itself, the contest, is judge solely on appearence which has nothing to do with athletic perfromance. It's more of a pagent than a sport.
There's an inherent incongruity with bodybuilding. There's the training which is widely popular and the best overall way for a person to get into shape and appeals and is even respected among the masses. And then there is the bodybuilding contest itself which few are interested in and are generally replulsed by. It's an obscure subculture bordering on perverse and anyone interested in it are regarded as suspect. That's why whenever I'm perusing a bodybuilding mag I always make sure it's hidden inside another magazine like Granny Porn, Petite and Anal, Bukake Slutfest.... That way people don't think I'm weird or abnormal.
when i was preparing for my 1st npc show, my best friend was preparing for her 1st miss teen texas pageant...we did the same workout routine......is what she does a sport?
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all these years later you're still wrong
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You are just gay for bodybuilders seriously.
It is not a sport. Not athletes.
Schmoe
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all these years later you're still wrong
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I was wondering how long it would take you to chime in!
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You are just gay for bodybuilders seriously.
It is not a sport. Not athletes.
Schmoe
funny coming from the "guy" that had his underwear "stolen" twice
maybe you're just bitter towards the sport because bodybuilding isn't in the special olympics :)
(http://www.stalkerzone.dk/upload/333-11r3yv7.jpg)
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when i was preparing for my 1st npc show, my best friend was preparing for her 1st miss teen texas pageant...we did the same workout routine......is what she does a sport?
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so you training like a girl is the reason it's not a sport ???
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Bodybuilders go into battle.
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As athletic as pub darts.
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so you training like a girl is the reason it's not a sport ???
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thats all you got?......bodybuilding=not a sport....bodybuilders=not atheletes...hope this helps...
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nope
if u just do a bunch of incline presses supersetted with flies and walks on an old rickity treadmill at 2 mph and gets out of breath-not a chance
but if u are an athlete who incorporates bodybuilding into his training then yes
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nope
if u just do a bunch of incline presses supersetted with flies and walks on an old rickity treadmill at 2 mph and gets out of breath-not a chance
but if u are an athlete who incorporates bodybuilding into his training then yes
Nice post Gene.
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funny coming from the "guy" that had his underwear "stolen" twice
maybe you're just bitter towards the sport because bodybuilding isn't in the special olympics :)
(http://www.stalkerzone.dk/upload/333-11r3yv7.jpg)
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Well since they were mine that was stolen it doesn't make me a schmoe.
It is not a sport. There is no definative set of criteria as to who is the best. Its subjective you gheyfag.
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thats all you got?......bodybuilding=not a sport....bodybuilders=not atheletes...hope this helps...
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the dictionary says otherwise
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hot dog eating
hunting
fishing
ping pong
underwater powerlifting
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Not a sport.
In a 100m race the fastest wins.
How do you define who is the best bbuilder? - You dont measure BMI or bf % etc. It is all subjective IMO.
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Well since they were mine that was stolen it doesn't make me a schmoe.
It is not a sport. There is no definative set of criteria as to who is the best. Its subjective you gheyfag.
i would put a lock on my locker if they were stolen once, maybe you want another man to have your dirty underwear, heck i bet you still don't have a lock on your locker you freak
and speaking of the olympics, bodybuilding was once again considered more proof that it is a sport 8)
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Not a sport.
In a 100m race the fastest wins.
How do you define who is the best bbuilder? - You dont measure BMI or bf % etc. It is all subjective IMO.
there is a criteria, just ask ND he's always explaining it :)
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i would put a lock on my locker if they were stolen once, maybe you want another man to have your dirty underwear, heck i bet you still don't have a lock on your locker you freak
and speaking of the olympics, bodybuilding was once again considered more proof that it is a sport 8)
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Yea considered and rejected.
Common sense FTW!
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Yea considered and rejected.
Common sense FTW!
it was rejected due to the obvious drug use
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And lack of specialised skill/talent required to qualify it as a sport.
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And lack of specialised skill/talent required to qualify it as a sport.
says you, not the olympics
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Nice post Gene.
thank u
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And the IOC also.
What skill/talent is required?
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Well since they were mine that was stolen it doesn't make me a schmoe.
It is not a sport. There is no definative set of criteria as to who is the best. Its subjective you gheyfag.
what about gymnastics then ::) is that not a sport? retard
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And the IOC also.
What skill/talent is required?
i already explained it to you, no surprise you forgot
what kind of a man has thousands of posts on a forum for what he thinks is a male beauty pageant?
a "man" that lets his underwear get "stolen" twice ;D
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what about gymnastics then ::) is that not a sport? retard
There is definative criteria for the skills they perform.
One gymnast is not awarded more points because one judge prefers his shape to another guy.
They are awarded solely on the complexity of the moves and the execution of it.
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Its funny because the only physical thing in bodybuilding is the posing, and even that doesnt have any standards at all. ;D
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That is my point.
It takes a lot of effort time dedicatrion etc to compete etc but I personally do not believe it is a sport. Sports generally have tangible measures of skills and some specialist skill/athleticism.
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Bodybuilding is not a sport. In fact, bodybuilding is no different than a beauty pageant (minus the beauty of course).
Also, for those who think bodybuilding is so difficult, take a look at what your average NFL football player or triathlete puts their body through during a typical season. Bodybuilders eat, sleep, shit and train....give me a break! Your typical NFL player trains with weights during the week and then goes out on Sundays and competes in a truly brutal athletic event.
As mentioned, bodybuilders are judged based on the way the look, which negates a sporting classification.
Lastly, bodybuilding requires absolutely no skill...no superior hand eye coordination or quickness + speed. It's not a sport and pro bodybuilders are not pro athletes.
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Bodybuilding is not a sport. In fact, bodybuilding is no different than a beauty pageant (minus the beauty of course).
Also, for those who think bodybuilding is so difficult, take a look at what your average NFL football player or triathlete puts their body through during a typical season.
Lastly, Bodybuilding requires absolutely no skill...no superior hand eye coordination or quickness/speed...etc - etc.
posing skillfully requires coordination that not everybody has... but so does a pageant walk :D
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posing skillfully requires coordination that not everybody has... but so does a pageant walk :D
True. Lots of things require skills that not everyone has, but that don't make you a pro athlete : - )
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Urinating on naked women is a watersport.
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it's a sport
deal with it
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Haha not a sport at all.
Not even close.
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I think professional level bodybuilders are definately athletes, maybe typical getbiggers and gyms rats don't consider themselves athletes because for them being a weekend warrior bodybuilder is easy; but the same could be said about football, backyard football is fun and easy and not really athletic, but pro football is a different world.
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To play HS football require athleticism that even top amateur BBuilders lack.
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Bodybuilding is an artform if I had to call it anything. It sure as hell is not a sport.
It's just "bodybuilding".
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3rd page going and no Chick. Please someone who knows him personally, call him or visit him and check that everything is alright.
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competition = sport
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Haha not a sport at all.
Not even close.
you no nothing about sports, i've never seen you or the rest of this thread in the sports forum
guys that don't like sports telling me what is and isn't a sport hahaha ::)
your favorite sport is bodybuilding, deal with it
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competition = sport
Sport=competitive physical activity: an individual or group competitive activity involving physical exertion or skill, governed by rules, and sometimes engaged in professionally.
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competition = sport
So is a spelling bee a sport?
Is Texas hold em' a sport?
Is competing for the best job a sport?
Is competing to get the best grades in a math cass a sport?.......
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A sport is something where you don't have to suck a dick to win 1st place.
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Ursus is an ugly, ugly sum bitch :-X
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in this "sport" who is the athlete? the man or the horse?
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The horse obviously!
In fact a horse, Zenyatta, was named the 2nd best female athlete of the year for 2009! (after Serena Williams)
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Tom Prince had to have athleticism to stay balanced in the paper bags while dodging schmoe batter.
Hahaha!
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The horse obviously!
In fact a horse, Zenyatta, was named the 2nd best female athlete of the year for 2009! (after Serena Williams)
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I guess you can't really call bodybuilders athletes
But it got me thinking that the same could be said of powerlifters. There's no great skill to powerlifting- you simply need to be able to lift more than the next guy. Although the fact that there's hard evidence of a winner not simply opinion does change things.
Strongman competitors- no doubt about them being athletes.
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That is my point.
It takes a lot of effort time dedicatrion etc to compete etc but I personally do not believe it is a sport. Sports generally have tangible measures of skills and some specialist skill/athleticism.
Is weightlifting a sport?
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Is weightlifting a sport?
Yes, whoever lifts the heaviest weight wins. Tangible measure.
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''Bodybuilding is the hardest sport in the world ''
Steve Namat
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you no nothing about sports, i've never seen you or the rest of this thread in the sports forum
guys that don't like sports telling me what is and isn't a sport hahaha ::)
your favorite sport is bodybuilding, deal with it
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I don't go on as it is mainly US sport which I know nothing about.
Bodybuilding is not a sport at all - It is a past-time.
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When I see it in the Olympics I'll believe its a sport.
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Yes, whoever lifts the heaviest weight wins. Tangible measure.
So a progression to get to the heviest lift , BB use the same princble to develop there muscles which they then compare with other BB's to see who is best so who ever has the best genetics and has trained the hardest lifting weights and dieting wins or a "tangible measure" ;D if bb is not a sport neither is PL or weightlifting they all use weights to develop muscle be it hypertrophied , explosiveness or pure power.end results all equal the same
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Incorrect.
The aim on a PLing comp or Oly Weightlifting comp is who lifts the heaviest weight.
5 different judges can pick 5 different winners based on their personal preference.
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The true competition in bodybuilding takes place in the gym not oiled up posing in a thong. Having said that it's really sad to see a bodybuilder who can't run down a block without getting winded.
In the old times when the AAU Mr. America was the top amateur title they had to do Olympic lifting for athletic points. Imagine our present competitors trying to get a good total in the clean and snatch the day of the contest? They would be lucky if they could lift 225lbs over their head.
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If BB'ers are athletes, then so are Miss America Pageant contestants. They do the same things to perpare for their contest as a bb'er--they workout, diet, use drugs (albeit different ones) put on fake tan, adorn themselves skimpy attire, then pose in front of an audience of schmoes. Not one difference.
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discuss....
well, these bodybuilders run out of Breath after climbing 5 flight of stairs and God knows what their Vital Organs are enduring with these Chemicals. are they athletes?.....well, Bob Chick has the Answer ;)
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Its funny that it is the people who post in a bodybuilding forum who keep debating about bbing being a sport or not. I believe the general public WILL consider it a sport, just one which is not popular and strange.
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I don't think it is a sport. Most of the formal definitions of "sport" have three requirements:
(1) Involves skill
(2) Physical exertion
(3) Competition
I would also add a #4, that success in #3 is improved by physical conditioning of the body. Anything that lacks any of the requirements is a borderline sport at best, and probably a game rather than a sport. These requirements are why things like football/baseball/soccer/basketball/track&field/volleyball/hockey/boxing/tennis are obviously sports, things like golf/bowling/autoracing are debatable, and things like billiards/darts/poker/beanbag toss are obviously games.
Bodybuilding only has #3 and #4 in my opinion. Posing is not physical exertion, and what are the involved skills exactly? It surely takes an extreme dedication to the training/eating/"supplements" lifestyle at the professional level, but I would not call that a skill. Anyone who wants to make the sacrifices involved can do so, although they may not have the genetic predisposition to become a pro. This is admittedly true of many other real sports, though (i.e. anyone can train like an NFL linebacker but very few will ever be able to become one).
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Then who are the athletes Bob Chick represents?
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I came her years ago to learn about how to get bigger get stronger etc.
Now I stay for the laughs. Other than the Mr O I can't tell you who won/wins any of the shows.
I never ever came here to simply watch the bodybuilders.
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Not true
Golf is considered a sport but golfers aren't athletes
In Golf defense you actually need some talent to play it, where in BB with a drug Guru and not concern about health you can become a Pro bb.
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In Golf defense you actually need some talent to play it, where in BB with a drug Guru and not concern about health you can become a Pro bb.
you forgot genetics, hard work, consistency and money
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competition = sport
so when two people are playing cards, they are engaged in a sport?
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Bodybuilding is not a sport , it is a battle.
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Bodybuilding is not a sport , it is a battle.
Exactly. And you just look at a guy two weeks out and tell that he's going to "do damage."
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You can't assert that shaking the glutes (after hitching the thong as far up the ass as possible) in tune with the bedroom music that's playing as part of the posing routine doesn't involve a fair degree of athleticism.
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if posing isn't a skill than why do some people do it better than others?
why couldn't paul dillet pose?
heck some of the people in this thread don't know how to pose
flexing all of your muscles simultaneously as hard as you can is physical exertion
bodybuilding is our sport 8)
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Incorrect.
5 different judges can pick 5 different winners based on their personal preference.
So..... that means Gymnastics,Diving etc etc are also not sports?
And to a lesser extent boxing, as in BB comps you sometimes have a clear winner but the judges go with someone else , this happens with boxing to when it's close though don king and the mafia might have some sway here ;D
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Nope. Theoretically you could win a bodybuilding contest without ever touching a weight assuming you had good enough genes and or poor enough competition.
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actually fucking doing something...
bench
Any discussion should have ended with Bench's post.
Thus topic should never come up again.
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Nope. Theoretically you could win a bodybuilding contest without ever touching a weight assuming you had good enough genes and or poor enough competition.
You would need to be sucking alot of cock one would think for this to happen.
Theory = does not always = reality
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Nope. Theoretically you could win a bodybuilding contest without ever touching a weight assuming you had good enough genes and or poor enough competition.
You could attribute this quote to just about anything...
Theoretically, you could make a NFL team without ever playing a down assuming you had good enough genes and poor enough competition...
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Bodybuilders are usually guys who sucked at other sports and like to claim bbing is a sport so they dont feel so inadequate
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how would you know?
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how would you know?
Its called having a brain and using the power of deduction and observation.
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You could attribute this quote to just about anything...
Theoretically, you could make a NFL team without ever playing a down assuming you had good enough genes and poor enough competition...
makes no sense...
If you never played a down then you wouldn't have ever faced any competition....
Bob, I think you're a cool guy but please never EVER speak with any authority on NFL or football for that matter ever again.
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Bodybuilders are usually guys who sucked at other sports and like to claim bbing is a sport so they dont feel so inadequate
why do people sign on to a bb website then bash the sport and its athletes, like bob chick( some one i idolize for his ability to make good buck off of fitness industry) (no suckup)
all the people that bash the sport and bbs should just fuck off, you make your selfs look like idiots.
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Most bodybuilders I know, and I know a lot, are guys who have major insecurity issues and end up juicing up to feel better about themselves. The sad part is, that being a bodybuilder doesn't make them athletes, doesn't get them more girls, doesn't provide any sort of financial security. All it really does is ruin their health and make them a criminal.
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makes no sense...
If you never played a down then you wouldn't have ever faced any competition....
Bob, I think you're a cool guy but please never EVER speak with any authority on NFL or football for that matter ever again.
Makes as much sense as what he wrote...
Anyone can "walk on" to a team...given what he wrote, if you have enough skill, you'll make the team, right?
btw...football was used as an example...feel free to substitute whatever else you wish, didnt know you would take it so personally
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Most bodybuilders I know, and I know a lot, are guys who have major insecurity issues and end up juicing up to feel better about themselves. The sad part is, that being a bodybuilder doesn't make them athletes, doesn't get them more girls, doesn't provide any sort of financial security. All it really does is ruin their health and make them a criminal.
example: Gregg Valvelino, people like Ronnie seem like good inspiration though.
Nasser love him or hate him, has some good discussion about bodybuilders as well
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Nope. Theoretically you could win a bodybuilding contest without ever touching a weight assuming you had good enough genes and or poor enough competition.
LOL worst post ever
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No, but I'd consider golfing a sport. It takes technique and precision coupled with immense focus. Doesn't take speed or endurance but it does take a concentrated power to drive the balls the way the pro's do
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The true competition in bodybuilding takes place in the gym not oiled up posing in a thong. Having said that it's really sad to see a bodybuilder who can't run down a block without getting winded.
In the old times when the AAU Mr. America was the top amateur title they had to do Olympic lifting for athletic points. Imagine our present competitors trying to get a good total in the clean and snatch the day of the contest? They would be lucky if they could lift 225lbs over their head.
Yes, lifting weights does take a certain amount of coordination and balance. And I really admire how the old school guys were all about being strong and healthy as well as looking good.
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Bodybuilding is more like a pagent (Miss America etc.) than an athletic competition. There really isn't any difference between Miss America or Miss Universe and a bodybuilding contest. The idea is to make yourself look the best up on stage. Any prep work doesn't count. You take the months or years of training and hopefully step on stage at your best and win. Nothing more and nothing less.
Sports like golf, tennis, any of the big team sports are true sports because they make you exhibit your skills and months or years of practice on a stage against others. Golf is a sport. It is physically challeging because you have to walk several miles while having to concentrate on a ball just over a few inches in size and make it go in a hole several hundred yards away. Tons of skill, concentration and even mental stress comes with golf.
A bodybuilding contest is something that brings a competitor on stage to show off what diet, training and drugs can do to enhance the body you were born with. Add some false color, implants, site injections, oil and you have an event all of its own. It is almost impossible to call bodybuilding a "real" sport. But some still try. A perfect example is how many times has ESPN covered a BB show. How many times does a local sports show cover a BB show. They may have a one minute mention and thats it. Has Mr Olympia ever been featured in Sports Illustrated and if so how many time once twice maybe. So even mainstream media does not recognize it as a sport
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so when two people are playing cards, they are engaged in a sport?
yes
so is business.
unless we are all going to go along with what we think "mainstream" media/society would allow as an acceptable answer.
but if we go with the definition of the term "sport" and not have any pre-conceived notion, many things would really be a sport.
typical getbig, a bb'n site and a bunch of people that barely train serious knocking the very sport this site is based on... hahaha lol
anyone thats ever competed knows is a challange to display your strengths & hide your flaws in a manner that will expose your opponents flaws and diminish his strengths. of course to people disgruntled with their own training gains and/or never competed wouldnt agree to this.
also, knowing your competition and training yourself to be able to beat him but its just a male beauty pagent to fanboy schmoes.
as far as the judges all having different winners, well in a very close contest maybe but they all have some standard guidelines to go off of, size shape sym def etc... have 1 person be far beyond everyone else onstage and that would be the winner, no matter what people think about politics.
this topic is old and played... again, people that knock the sport the board is based on yet are on it everyday making thousands of posts... theres a word for those kinds of "people" ;)
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LOL worst post ever
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hahaha x2 earl
thats why everyone is walking around looking like jay cutler because its so easy they just take roids and bang, mr o material...
those guys that have been lifting and saucing for 20 plus years to get anywhere are just trying too hard, lol
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Bodybuilding is more like a pagent (Miss America etc.) than an athletic competition. There really isn't any difference between Miss America or Miss Universe and a bodybuilding contest. The idea is to make yourself look the best up on stage. Any prep work doesn't count. You take the months or years of training and hopefully step on stage at your best and win. Nothing more and nothing less.
Sports like golf, tennis, any of the big team sports are true sports because they make you exhibit your skills and months or years of practice on a stage against others. Golf is a sport. It is physically challeging because you have to walk several miles while having to concentrate on a ball just over a few inches in size and make it go in a hole several hundred yards away. Tons of skill, concentration and even mental stress comes with golf.
A bodybuilding contest is something that brings a competitor on stage to show off what diet, training and drugs can do to enhance the body you were born with. Add some false color, implants, site injections, oil and you have an event all of its own. It is almost impossible to call bodybuilding a "real" sport. But some still try. A perfect example is how many times has ESPN covered a BB show. How many times does a local sports show cover a BB show. They may have a one minute mention and thats it. Has Mr Olympia ever been featured in Sports Illustrated and if so how many time once twice maybe. So even mainstream media does not recognize it as a sport
surprised at you keith
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. Golf It is physically challeging because you have to walk several miles ,
Walking is not physically challenging unless your legs are paralyzed or you weight more than 500lbs.
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Bodybuilding is more like a pagent (Miss America etc.) than an athletic competition. There really isn't any difference between Miss America or Miss Universe and a bodybuilding contest. The idea is to make yourself look the best up on stage. Any prep work doesn't count. You take the months or years of training and hopefully step on stage at your best and win. Nothing more and nothing less.
Sports like golf, tennis, any of the big team sports are true sports because they make you exhibit your skills and months or years of practice on a stage against others. Golf is a sport. It is physically challeging because you have to walk several miles while having to concentrate on a ball just over a few inches in size and make it go in a hole several hundred yards away. Tons of skill, concentration and even mental stress comes with golf.
A bodybuilding contest is something that brings a competitor on stage to show off what diet, training and drugs can do to enhance the body you were born with. Add some false color, implants, site injections, oil and you have an event all of its own. It is almost impossible to call bodybuilding a "real" sport. But some still try. A perfect example is how many times has ESPN covered a BB show. How many times does a local sports show cover a BB show. They may have a one minute mention and thats it. Has Mr Olympia ever been featured in Sports Illustrated and if so how many time once twice maybe. So even mainstream media does not recognize it as a sport
This says it all right here. Excellent post.
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Most bodybuilders I know, and I know a lot, are guys who have major insecurity issues and end up juicing up to feel better about themselves. The sad part is, that being a bodybuilder doesn't make them athletes, doesn't get them more girls, doesn't provide any sort of financial security. All it really does is ruin their health and make them a criminal.
hahahahaha
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no there not
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how would you know?
Chick,
So you are a pro athlete just like Lebron James, Tom Brady and Adrian Petterson?
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mainstream media does recognize bodybuilding as a sport, all major newspapers do
as for espn, why would they talk about or show bodybuilding when nobody other than us cares about it? why do some of you conveniently "forget" how small of a niche this is?
espn is a business, they sell whatever gets ratings
that is why they focus on the nfl all year and hardly talk about sports like hockey, the nfl is the biggest sport in the US
i've gone over this before but some of you refuse to listen, keep trashing your favorite sport, the sport that gave you a life (getbig) ;)
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mainstream media does recognize bodybuilding as a sport, all major newspapers do
as for espn, why would they talk about or show bodybuilding when nobody other than us cares about it? why do some of you conveniently "forget" how small of a niche this is?
espn is a business, they sell whatever gets ratings
that is why they focus on the nfl all year and hardly talk about sports like hockey, the nfl is the biggest sport in the US
i've gone over this before but some of you refuse to listen, keep trashing your favorite sport, the sport that gave you a life (getbig) ;)
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Most of this post is true.
We agree on a lot my friend, but on this one you are dead wrong. BB = not sport.
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Chick,
So you are a pro athlete just like Lebron James, Tom Brady and Adrian Petterson?
is john daly?
finally somebody that actually watches sports (other than bodybuilding) has joined the argument :)
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Most of this post is true.
We agree on a lot my friend, but on this one you are dead wrong. BB = not sport.
bodybuilding fits the dictionary definition of the word "sport"
bodybuilding = sport
the favorite sport of everybody (besides the 10 people that actually use the sports forum) on getbig :)
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How many golfers can do this ?
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How many golfers can do this ?
I'm proud to say non that I can think of. But in all fairness his legs are about as big as a golfers.
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I'm proud to say non that I can think of. But in all fairness his legs are about as big as a golfers.
Why the hate Coach ? the kid looks pretty good.
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is john daly?
finally somebody that actually watches sports (other than bodybuilding) has joined the argument :)
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Yes. His superior hand eye coordination and depth perception proves that. Also, he's competing in an activity that is based on his athletic performance, not the way he looks, which makes what he is doing a sport, not a pageant. The golfer does not win contests based on the look of his form or the mechanics of his swing. He/she succeeds by putting the ball in the hole in the least amount of strokes.
Bodybuilders need to understand that the way one looks has nothing to do with their athletic abilities (in some cases).
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he's competing in an activity that is based on his athletic performance
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Yes. His superior hand eye coordination and depth perception proves that. Also, he's competing in an activity that is based on his athletic performance, not the way he looks, which makes what he is doing a sport, not a pageant. The golfer does not win contests based on the look of his form or the mechanics of his swing. He/she succeeds by putting the ball in the hole in the least amount of strokes.
Bodybuilders need to understand that the way one looks has nothing to do with their athletic abilities in some cases.
it takes coordination to pose properly and present the physique in the most positive light, everybody said that paul dillet looked unbeatable when standing relaxed, but looked awkward while posing
it's not major coordination but it should be obvious that some guys pose much better than others, why do most getbiggers look so awkward when they pose? "ursus" for example, look at his mr. getbig pics if posing is so simple why can't everybody look normal?
just because posing doesn't take as much coordination as shooting a 3 pointer or hitting a curveball doesn't mean it isn't a sport
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it takes coordination to pose properly and present the physique in the most positive light, everybody said that paul dillet looked unbeatable when standing relaxed, but looked awkward while posing
it's not major coordination but it should be obvious that some guys pose much better than others, why do most getbiggers look so awkward when they pose? "ursus" for example, look at his mr. getbig pics if posing is so simple why can't everybody look normal?
just because posing doesn't take as much coordination as shooting a 3 pointer or hitting a curveball doesn't mean it isn't a sport
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Thats true, lets make pole dancing a sport too.
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it takes coordination to pose properly and present the physique in the most positive light, everybody said that paul dillet looked unbeatable when standing relaxed, but looked awkward while posing
it's not major coordination but it should be obvious that some guys pose much better than others, why do most getbiggers look so awkward when they pose? "ursus" for example, look at his mr. getbig pics if posing is so simple why can't everybody look normal?
just because posing doesn't take as much coordination as shooting a 3 pointer or hitting a curveball doesn't mean it isn't a sport
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You make sense. Your argument is coherent and well thought out. My point: Bodybuilding is not judged on athletic competition. It's judged on how you look, which makes it a pageant and not a sport.
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You make sense. Your argument is coherent and well thought out. My point: Bodybuilding is not judged on athletic competition. It's judged on how you look, which makes it a pageant and not a sport.
it is somewhat, why are some bodybuilders dropping out in the middle of the show?
paul dillet again, he couldn't physically make it through the 94 arnold :)
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Thats true, lets make pole dancing a sport too.
LOL! Well played. Very well played.
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You really think the training of bodybuilders is anywhere close to the training of endurance athletes?
What I meant was what a bodybuilder has to do to themselves to get in that kind of shape. The physical abuse. With the exception of professional wrestling I can't think of a more unhealthy sport..., err, activity than bodybuilding. They kill themselves trying to look strong and healthy.
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it is somewhat, why are some bodybuilders dropping out in the middle of the show?
paul dillet again, he couldn't physically make it through the 94 arnold :)
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That's true. Lot's of people drop out of events that require athleticism. That doesn't make them pro athletes.
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You know, this just got me thinking. I've always considered professional wrestlers as being athletes but I don't consider professional wrestling a sport. I think sometimes we conflate being athletic with being an athlete.
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What I meant was what a bodybuilder has to do to themselves to get in that kind of shape. The physical abuse. With the exception of professional wrestling I can't think of a more unhealthy sport..., err, activity than bodybuilding. They kill themselves trying to look strong and healthy.
That might mean they lack intelligence. Drug users kill themselves to achieve a high, does that make them athletes too since they beat the shit out of their body?
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Bodybuilding is in the spirit of athleticism - you build strength, muscle and lose fat, typical physical attributes of athleticism.
It does not classify nicely as the other sports, but, I am confortable calling it a sport and I don't quite see what the big deal over it is.
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That's true. Lot's of people drop out of events that require athleticism. That doesn't make them pro athletes.
doesn't make them non athletes either
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it takes coordination to pose properly and present the physique in the most positive light, everybody said that paul dillet looked unbeatable when standing relaxed, but looked awkward while posing
it's not major coordination but it should be obvious that some guys pose much better than others, why do most getbiggers look so awkward when they pose? "ursus" for example, look at his mr. getbig pics if posing is so simple why can't everybody look normal?
just because posing doesn't take as much coordination as shooting a 3 pointer or hitting a curveball doesn't mean it isn't a sport
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YES JUST LIKE MISS AMERICA thank you for proving my point
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You know, this just got me thinking. I've always considered professional wrestlers as being athletes but I don't consider professional wrestling a sport. I think sometimes we conflate being athletic with being an athlete.
pro wrestling isn't a competition
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YES JUST LIKE MISS AMERICA thank you for proving my point
where is the physical exertion in miss america?
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it is somewhat, why are some bodybuilders dropping out in the middle of the show?
paul dillet again, he couldn't physically make it through the 94 arnold :)
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that was called due to drugs and cramping from direutics
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doesn't make them non athletes either
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Correct, however, in a bodybuilders case, they are not an athlete because they are judged on the way the look, not their athletic performance.
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Bodybuilding is in the spirit of athleticism - you build strength, muscle and lose fat, typical physical attributes of athleticism.
It does not classify nicely as the other sports, but, I am confortable calling it a sport and I don't quite see what the big deal over it is.
Huh? The Spirit of athleticism? A sport is defined by athletic competition that decides a winner based on performance. Not by how you look. BB is not a sport.
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Correct, however, in a bodybuilders case, they are not an athlete because they are judged on the way the look, not their athletic performance.
they aren't just standing there being judged, they need to proper posing skills to show off their body
i don't see a person that walks like they have two left feet ever being a good poser
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where is the physical exertion in miss america?
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holding your breath and making your muscle hard is I guess a form of physical exertion. But being a mover, person who digs holes, loads trucks, and many other "jobs" require much more physical exertion than what a BB displays on stage.
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Huh? The Spirit of athleticism? A sport is defined by athletic competition that decides a winner based on performance. Not by how you look. BB is not a sport.
is that your definition or the dictionary?
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is that your definition or the dictionary?
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Mine. I don't always believe what I read.
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they aren't just standing there being judged, they need to proper posing skills to show off their body
i don't see a person that walks like they have two left feet ever being a good poser
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Neither is a Miss America contestant. Is she a pro athlete?
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Correct, however, in a bodybuilders case, they are not an athlete because they are judged on the way the look, not their athletic performance.
i like this
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holding your breath and making your muscle hard is I guess a form of physical exertion. But being a mover, person who digs holes, loads trucks, and many other "jobs" require much more physical exertion than what a BB displays on stage.
those jobs aren't organized competitions
those jobs are more physically exerting than baseball, maybe basketball too i felt more fatigued loading trucks at ups in high school than i did playing basketball for a few hours
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Mine. I don't always believe what I read.
lol we're talking about the dictionary here, not a column in a newspaper :)
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Neither is a Miss America contestant. Is she a pro athlete?
still waiting for somebody to tell me the physical exertion in a miss america pageant
if you guys used the dictionary, you would know physical exertion is required for "sport" :P
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Huh? The Spirit of athleticism? A sport is defined by athletic competition that decides a winner based on performance. Not by how you look. BB is not a sport.
You can interpret performance as how well you have built muscle, how well you have dieted, and how well you present it.
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still waiting for somebody to tell me the physical exertion in a miss america pageant
if you guys used the dictionary, you would know physical exertion is required for "sport" :P
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Posing on stage... the crux of your entire argument is that the level of athletic execution should not be what defines an athlete.
Here is the bottom line: bodybuilders are judged based on their looks, which makes them pageant contestants.
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That might mean they lack intelligence. Drug users kill themselves to achieve a high, does that make them athletes too since they beat the shit out of their body?
I don't equate recreational drugs with performance enhancing drugs. And no where did I imply that physical abuse, in and of itself, is any form of athleticism.
Virtually all, if not all, sports that require strength, flexibility, endurance and extreme athleticism whether it's power lifting, football, gymnastics, MMA, basketball, tennis, wrestling... entails some degree of physical abuse. No one gets through their athletic career without suffreing some form of injury. Physical health often takes a back seat to athletic performance and an ambitious athlete will willingly sacrifice the former for the latter.
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Once again BBuilding is a time consuming pasttime that requires a lot of willpower, dedication and effort.
Bodybuilders are not athletes
Bodybuilding is a pasttime.
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still waiting for somebody to tell me the physical exertion in a miss america pageant
if you guys used the dictionary, you would know physical exertion is required for "sport" :P
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oh my fucking god, what physical exertion is required in a bodybuilding contest? LOL!!!! Posing? Walking the stairs up the stage? Give me a break. ;D
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oh my fucking god, what physical exertion is required in a bodybuilding contest? LOL!!!! Posing? Walking the stairs up the stage? Give me a break. ;D
What was it like when you competed?
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Hey come on Levrone ran a fucking 6.5 40yard dash.
That is pretty damn athletic!
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What was it like when you competed?
Sure, posing may nto be as easy as one thinks. But to use tha to qualify bodybuilding as a sport seems utterly ridiculous to me.
More often than not, the person who looks best on stage wins. How hard or how long you're able to pose without getting tired contributes very little to how the contest is judged. Feel free to critcise that statement.
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Sure, posing may nto be as easy as one thinks. But to use tha to qualify bodybuilding as a sport seems utterly ridiculous to me.
More often than not, the person who looks best on stage wins. How hard or how long you're able to pose without getting tired contributes very little to how the contest is judged. Feel free to critcise that statement.
Of course it seems ridiculous to you...you have no expertise in the matter.
That said, posing is the means by which BBers display their physique...it's not the sole indicator of whether or not one wins, but contributes greatly....
I've seen many over the years, win, or lose contests because they had an inability to display their physique....and have seen many tank out because they werent properly prepared to do it at the pro level
BB is an art, and a sport...one of the few that is comprised of so many different variables, culminating with the competition.
It is what it is....
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It is a competition no doubt.
Not a sport.
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It is a competition no doubt.
Not a sport.
Not to you
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Olympic sport discussion
In the early 2000s, the IFBB was attempting to make bodybuilding an Olympic sport. It obtained full IOC membership in 2000 and was attempting to get approved as a demonstration event at the Olympics which would hopefully lead to it being added as a full contest. This did not happen. Olympic recognition for bodybuilding remains controversial since many argue that bodybuilding is not a sport.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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have seen many tank out because they werent properly prepared to do it at the pro level
BB is an art, and a sport...one of the few that is comprised of so many different variables, culminating with the competition.
It is what it is....
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WTF are you thinking ??
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Of course it seems ridiculous to you...you have no expertise in the matter.
No one else here is an expert on what consitutes or does not constitute a sport either.
First of all, I don't agree with Earl's definitition as I do consider golf to be a sport, which is not a heavily physical sport but in its essence is physical.
That cannot be said about bodybuilding: it is first and foremost about how you LOOK, NOT what you DO.
That said, posing is the means by which BBers display their physique...it's not the sole indicator of whether or not one wins, but contributes greatly....
I've seen many over the years, win, or lose contests because they had an inability to display their physique....and have seen many tank out because they werent properly prepared to do it at the pro level
Ok I have no experience and have little knowledge of how physically demanding posing actually is for extended periods of time. It is clear however that is the bare minimum that you should be able to do to survive in a contest.
But I can say with a fair degree of certainty that this is not what separates the great bodybuilders from the not so great ones. It probably accounts for 5-10% of bodybuilding success.
BB is an art, and a sport...one of the few that is comprised of so many different variables, culminating with the competition.
It is what it is....
I may nto agree that it is a sport but I don't say that to demean the activity or people who partake in it. I highly respect people who are successful at bodybuilding.
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WTF are you thinking ??
About what?
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Once again BBuilding is a time consuming pasttime that requires a lot of willpower, dedication and effort.
Bodybuilders are not athletes
Bodybuilding is a pasttime.
Big Dumb John , who said you could remove the dunce hat and come out of the corner and speak? :D
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Not to you
It's only a sport if you want it to be a sport.
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It's only a sport if you want it to be a sport.
actually thats not exactly but chick said :D
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Genuinely takes a hell of a lot of efforty and dedication and time to bodybuild properly.
Kinda like restoring an old race car to show at a car event. Can take many years to complete it, prepare it and work on it so that it is in its old racing condition.
This alone is not a sport IMO.
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It's only a sport if you want it to be a sport.
uhhhh...yeah, OK ::)
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It's a sport/competition but you don't have to be an athlete to participate in it ,just like golf and many other sports.
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I'd like to think of it as a sport, but it's not. Not saying that that is a bad thing either.
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oh my fucking god, what physical exertion is required in a bodybuilding contest? LOL!!!! Posing? Walking the stairs up the stage? Give me a break. ;D
this is the last time i am saying this, flex all of your muscles simultaneously as hard as you possibly can for a few minutes and tell me you aren't exerting yourself ::)
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I see it as a sport due to the training. If you take it serious it can be one of the most extreme physical activities. See Dorian, Coleman, Efferding, etc, etc...
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Hey come on Levrone ran a fucking 6.5 40yard dash.
That is pretty damn athletic!
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6.5?
i guess world class sprinter dwain chamber ran a 6.0 right?
you really are as dumb as you look
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this is the last time i am saying this, flex all of your muscles simultaneously as hard as you possibly can for a few minutes and tell me you aren't exerting yourself ::)
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I have , is not that hard .
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I have , is not that hard .
it's physical exertion no matter how "hard" you think it is
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Miss World, the beauty pageant is a sport.
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I have , is not that hard .
Well, I think you would actually have to have some muscle for it to be an exertion, stud....
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Well, I think you would actually have to have some muscle for it to be an exertion, stud....
I do have some muscles stud :D.
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a marathon runner will tell you jogging once around a track isn't "that hard", it's still physical exertion
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a marathon runner will tell you jogging once around a track isn't "that hard", it's still physical exertion
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I'm an Ironworker and trust me working 8 hs in construction is way harder than posing for 5 minutes.
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I do have some muscles stud :D.
Your hair is falling down across your face....need a fresh cut.... looking damn good in that pic, bro....i had no idea.
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I'm an Ironworker and trust me working 8 hs in construction is way harder than posing for 5 minutes.
no shit, it's also harder than playing baseball
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Not to you
Chick, You're a good dude but come on, LOL!
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How does physical exertion make it a sport?
Masturbating requires physical exertion but it's not a sport. At least when you masturbate there is a goal. And it can be done with others. That kinda seems more sporty than bodybuilding huh? *Not to mention much more exciting
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How does physical exertion make it a sport?
Masturbating requires physical exertion but it's not a sport. At least when you masturbate there is a goal. And it can be done with others. That kinda seems more sporty than bodybuilding huh? *Not to mention much more exciting
because the dictionary says so, it's hilarious how you guys ignore the dictionary definition, did you do the same when taking vocabulary tests in school?
also maybe you're jerking a little too hard dude :-X
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How many golfers can do this ?
That could have been kinda cool if he wasn't such a homo. The posing and routine was awful and gay as fuk. The flips would've been cool if he wasn't so feminine
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because the dictionary says so, it's hilarious how you guys ignore the dictionary definition, did you do the same when taking vocabulary tests in school?
also maybe you're jerking a little too hard dude :-X
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Yeah I guess if you get literal enough you can qualify it as a sport. But it's really not. We all know that. It's a little show with muscular dudes. Hardly a sport. More of a contest.
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Yeah I guess if you get literal enough you can qualify it as a sport. But it's really not. We all know that. It's a little show with muscular dudes. Hardly a sport. More of a contest.
Girl1972 is reading the wrong dictionary: bod·y·build·ing (bd-bldng)
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The process of developing the musculature of the body through specific types of diet and physical exercise, such as weightlifting, especially for competitive exhibition.
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I have , is not that hard .
I'll value an actual bodybuilders opinion over Earl's :P
Nothing personal Earl, but you're WRONG!
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may the competitor in the glitteryest thong win.
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Bodybuilding is a pasttime.
Sport is defined as a pastime in dictionaries.
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Such passionate deniers here. If they call bowling and poker a sport over something that is, let's say, where you need to squat 500 lbs and bench press 300+ and do among other things for you to look good on stage to win, then I'm calling it a sport.
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if body builders are athletes than so are girls who enter wet t-shirt contests
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Some are, some aren't. I am. :)
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if body builders are athletes than so are girls who enter wet t-shirt contests
that is such a stupid point, it should not even be dignified by an answer
it similar to making the argument that learning to rollerskate when your a kid is the same thing as being an olympic figure skater
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Some are, some aren't. I am. :)
Thonged posing and making 1/4 turns aren't athletic, LOL!
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a marathon runner will tell you jogging once around a track isn't "that hard", it's still physical exertion
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Really, tell him to run it in 42 seconds or under and see what he says. By the way, i just had some unreal physical exertion trying to get this chunk of shit of out my butthole. Now that was hard. But once out and I flushed him down the toilet Goodrum said "good job". Heart rate went up a few beats after this session
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that is such a stupid point, it should not even be dignified by an answer
it similar to making the argument that learning to rollerskate when your a kid is the same thing as being an olympic figure skater
so what your saying is you prefer oiled up men in thongs on stage over wet boobies ?
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Walking to the chess board requires physical erertion. Does not make it a sport. And I am sure that playing chess against grandmasters for 6 hours burns more calories than posing on stage for 3 minutes.
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Really, tell him to run it in 42 seconds or under and see what he says. By the way, i just had some unreal physical exertion trying to get this chunk of shit of out my butthole. Now that was hard. But once out and I flushed him down the toilet Goodrum said "good job". Heart rate went up a few beats after this session
thinking about rectal sensations and goodrum comes to mind :-X
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Girl1972 is reading the wrong dictionary: bod·y·build·ing (bd-bldng)
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The process of developing the musculature of the body through specific types of diet and physical exercise, such as weightlifting, especially for competitive exhibition.
look up "sport", schmoe
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I'll value an actual bodybuilders opinion over Earl's :P
Nothing personal Earl, but you're WRONG!
uh bob is a bodybuilder, a pro
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Really, tell him to run it in 42 seconds or under and see what he says. By the way, i just had some unreal physical exertion trying to get this chunk of shit of out my butthole. Now that was hard. But once out and I flushed him down the toilet Goodrum said "good job". Heart rate went up a few beats after this session
in your shape, i imagine walking to the next room is physical exertion
still not "competive" physical exertion
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Walking to the chess board requires physical erertion. Does not make it a sport. And I am sure that playing chess against grandmasters for 6 hours burns more calories than posing on stage for 3 minutes.
so doing something for 6 hours burns more calories than doing another thing for 3 minutes
wow you are so smart ::)
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look up "sport", schmoe
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It's a beauty contest, FFS! :)
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Such passionate deniers here. If they call bowling and poker a sport over something that is, let's say, where you need to squat 500 lbs and bench press 300+ and do among other things for you to look good on stage to win, then I'm calling it a sport.
Having something else called a sport that isn't a sport either doesn't add to bodybuildings credibility towards being a sport. That's more like a lie supporting a lie.
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I find it hard to call lifting weights in a gym a sport, or bodybuilding which combines meticulous eating habits with weight lifting. I would consider darts or bowling a sport over trying to build your muscles bigger. Competitive bodybuilding is more of a sport because you're actually competing but it's not as if the winner is faster, stronger or more talented. The competitor wins based on more muscle which is a result of genetics, drugs, and how hard they dieted, and not as much, how hard they trained
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What I meant was what a bodybuilder has to do to themselves to get in that kind of shape. The physical abuse. With the exception of professional wrestling I can't think of a more unhealthy sport..., err, activity than bodybuilding. They kill themselves trying to look strong and healthy.
drug wise maybe, surely not training wise
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so doing something for 6 hours burns more calories than doing another thing for 3 minutes
wow you are so smart ::)
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Calm down. It is only the internets.
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Not sure why there is so much debate going on over this issue.
It's simple. Bodybuilder = judged on the way they look, which makes them pageant contestants and not true athletes.
Bodybuilders are not pro athletes that can be compared with real athletes such as Lebron James, Andre Johnson or Tom Brady.
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Not sure why there is so much debate going on over this issue.
It's simple. Bodybuilder = judged on the way they look, which makes them pageant contestants and not true athletes.
Bodybuilders are not pro athletes that can be compared with real athletes such as Lebron James, Andre Johnson or Tom Brady.
there's a debate because most of you are confused, lucky for you i'm here to bring the facts 8)
who is saying that they should be compared with those athletes? not all athletes are created equal
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drug wise maybe, surely not training wise
That's a big part of what I meant. The whole life style. Diet, drugs, training. I think pro wrestling is the worse because they live a life style like pro bodybuilders but on top of that the insane amount or travelling, having to do those stunts, living out of hotels, more dependent on pain meds. It's gotta take it's toll.
But you're right in regard to bodybuilding. Training wise it's no harder than what other real athletes have to endure. It's the whole life style. Shit, just walking around 75 lbs heavier than you should be is slowly killing you.
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Here's one....... are natties at least a little closer to being athletes than guys who use drugs?
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Here's one....... are natties at least a little closer to being athletes than guys who use drugs?
no , users try way harder , they pull out all the stops , natties are "half-steppers" in the end all that matters in life is the bottom line
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hahaha - funniest thread since Bobby Sly.
Funny watching all the wannabe's try to convince people that their hobby/pageant is a "sport"....
Funny watching all the common sense/smart folks own them.
Not a sport. Not athletes. No question.
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no , users try way harder , they pull out all the stops , natties are "half-steppers" in the end all that matters in life is the bottom line
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Don't we already have a fucking million threads about "Bodybuilding not a sport"?......I thought some of you would have gotten tired of that same fucking questions by now. Give it a rest. no one ask you to be a fan of bodybuilding. do something useful with your wasted time.
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True... I am not gonna quote myself, cuase I've already posted on this thread, but the thing is that most guys that come here saying tht this or that is not a sport, are titties that can't do shit with their lives... that fucker sevastase is outting them one by one, and this is a fact...
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every major newspaper in america recognizes bodybuilding as a sport
who are you closet homos that don't even post on the sports forum to say otherwise?
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every major newspaper in america recognizes bodybuilding as a sport
who are you closet homos that don't even post on the sports forum to say otherwise?
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How do you figure
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How do you figure
when bodybuilding is mentioned in the newspapers it is in the sports section, not entertainment or any other section
if you don't post on the sports forum, i assume you don't watch or know much about sports
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when bodybuilding is mentioned in the newspapers it is in the sports section, not entertainment or any other section
if you don't post on the sports forum, i assume you don't watch or know much about sports
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Bodybuilding has been featured in mainstream newspapers? Prove it.
Also, the question of the thread is "are bodybuilders athletes?". It seems like most people here on GetBig, believe that they are not...
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Bodybuilding has been featured in mainstream newspapers? Prove it.
Also, the question of the thread is "are bodybuilders athletes?". It seems like most people here on GetBig, believe that they are not...
Most people here on Getbig have never seen the inside of a gym..
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Most people here on Getbig have never seen the inside of a gym..
Haha
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Most people here on Getbig have never seen the inside of a gym..
I think our very own Ron falls into that category, but I would argue that he is a good bodybuilding authority having been a fan of the "sport" for so many years.
All jokes aside, what type of athletic ability is required to compete in a bodybuilding show? Obviously the weight training and cardio that are part of the prep might be considered "athletic" (and that's arguable), but the event itself simply requires that people stand around flexing muscles. Can that really be called athleticism?
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I think our very own Ron falls into that category, but I would argue that he is a good bodybuilding authority having been a fan of the "sport" for so many years.
All jokes aside, what type of athletic ability is required to compete in a bodybuilding show? Obviously the weight training and cardio that are part of the prep might be considered "athletic" (and that's arguable), but the event itself simply requires that people stand around flexing muscles. Can that really be called athleticism?
Who cares what its called? Why is this of such great importance to you?
All sports require vastly DIFFERENT levels of athleticism...I assume most here would consider baseball a "sport", but what is athletic about standing around occasionally catching a ball? Swinging a bat? My 3 year old swings and hits a ball...
Is it a game? Yes
Is a golfer an athlete? Certainly takes skill, and takes a certain amount of athleticism to swing a club...but some dont consider them athletes, or it a sport...
Different sports, different athletes.
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is this thread worth a dollar?
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I think our very own Ron falls into that category, but I would argue that he is a good bodybuilding authority having been a fan of the "sport" for so many years.
All jokes aside, what type of athletic ability is required to compete in a bodybuilding show? Obviously the weight training and cardio that are part of the prep might be considered "athletic" (and that's arguable), but the event itself simply requires that people stand around flexing muscles. Can that really be called athleticism?
Is it really difficult to learn the mechanics of running, biking, and swimming? How about doing a bench press, squat, and deadlift?
This stuff isn't rocket science, yet they all can be classified as sport. I'm pretty sure you know how to ride a bicycle as well as Lance Armstrong does. Maybe you'll need a brief seminar, but again, not earth shattering. What does one need to do to win a marathon? Put one foot in front of the other. I'll get some hardcore runners upset with that comment, but you get my gist. What constitutes a sport does not have to be so sophisticated in the skills department.
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Is it really difficult to learn the mechanics of running, biking, and swimming? How about doing a bench press, squat, and deadlift?
This stuff isn't rocket science, yet they all can be classified as sport. I'm pretty sure you know how to ride a bicycle as well as Lance Armstrong does. Maybe you'll need a brief seminar, but again, not earth shattering. What does one need to do to win a marathon? Put one foot in front of the other. I'll get some hardcore runners upset with that comment, but you get my gist. What constitutes a sport does not have to be so sophisticated in the skills department.
Good point
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Don't we already have a fucking million threads about "Bodybuilding not a sport"?......I thought some of you would have gotten tired of that same fucking questions by now. Give it a rest. no one ask you to be a fan of bodybuilding. do something useful with your wasted time.
Most of the people here are fans of bodybuilders, not bodybuilding, (e.g., lift freaking weights). They spend half the day talking about shredded glutes and then wonder if Superman is better than Thor, LOL!
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Who cares what its called? Why is this of such great importance to you?
All sports require vastly DIFFERENT levels of athleticism...I assume most here would consider baseball a "sport", but what is athletic about standing around occasionally catching a ball? Swinging a bat? My 3 year old swings and hits a ball...
Is it a game? Yes
Is a golfer an athlete? Certainly takes skill, and takes a certain amount of athleticism to swing a club...but some dont consider them athletes, or it a sport...
Different sports, different athletes.
i dont agree w u at all bob and think u are waaaay off base
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Who cares what its called? Why is this of such great importance to you?
All sports require vastly DIFFERENT levels of athleticism...I assume most here would consider baseball a "sport", but what is athletic about standing around occasionally catching a ball? Swinging a bat? My 3 year old swings and hits a ball...
Is it a game? Yes
Is a golfer an athlete? Certainly takes skill, and takes a certain amount of athleticism to swing a club...but some dont consider them athletes, or it a sport...
Different sports, different athletes.
Meh, good point there Angry Bob. ;)
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(http://www.australia-bodybuilding.com/Interesting%20Pictures/paul%20stat.jpg)
One of the greatest athletes the sport has seen! Can't move....
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Bodybuilding has been featured in mainstream newspapers? Prove it.
Also, the question of the thread is "are bodybuilders athletes?". It seems like most people here on GetBig, believe that they are not...
and most people here hate everything about bodybuilding yet they can't stop coming back ::)
your links
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/11/sports/backtalk-extreme-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder.html?scp=2&sq=mr.+olympia+bodybuilding&st=nyt
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08124/878890-139.stm
the first is an article, the other is advertising a show
you may notice what section these links are located in ;D
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Bodybuilding is a sport, end of the thread .
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If amateur or pro bodybuilders were as athletic as they like to think they are, then they would be playing a pro sport that probably pays them. Pro athletes get compensated. Only a handful of pro bodybuilders even make any money. Most pro body builders are failed athletes IMO.
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If amateur or pro bodybuilders were as athletic as they like to think they are, then they would be playing a pro sport that probably pays them. Pro athletes get compensated. Only a handful of pro bodybuilders even make any money. Most pro body builders are failed athletes IMO.
who is saying they are on the same level as other pro athletes?
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Who cares what its called? Why is this of such great importance to you?
All sports require vastly DIFFERENT levels of athleticism...I assume most here would consider baseball a "sport", but what is athletic about standing around occasionally catching a ball? Swinging a bat? My 3 year old swings and hits a ball...
Is it a game? Yes
Is a golfer an athlete? Certainly takes skill, and takes a certain amount of athleticism to swing a club...but some dont consider them athletes, or it a sport...
Different sports, different athletes.
Wow way off on the baseball analogy. Every major sports expert for the last 100 years agrees that getting a hit in baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports. Yet you say "what is hard about swinging a bat". Nothing if that is all you can do. It is impossible to compare bodybuilding with any true sport. Baseball is a game yes but it is a true competition that matches skill against skill. WHo is better that day the pitcher or the batter. Bodybuilding is a competition but not a competition that matches any type of athletic skill. None whatsoever. You can't count posing
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when bodybuilding is mentioned in the newspapers it is in the sports section, not entertainment or any other section
if you don't post on the sports forum, i assume you don't watch or know much about sports
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So are the porno ads. If it was a REAL sport. Then every major newspaper or at two would feature the Mr. Olympia or Arnold winner at least. Not to mention the other pro shows. But, no papers do that. The only ones are the local papers in the town the event is happening. Did the LA TIMES, New York Post, Chicago Times, USA Today have anything about the winners of the Olympia or ASC. Please post them from the sport section. Was it even on ESPN where they even air Dart championships.
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Every major sports expert for the last 100 years agrees that getting a hit in baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports.
Bullshit.
AVG hits in a MLB baseball game = 9-10
AVG goals in a Pro soccer game = 1-1.5
It's harder to score a goal in soccer than hit a baseball, hope this helps.
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who is saying they are on the same level as other pro athletes?
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If you consider it a sport, then you also consider them sports athletes. They are PROS in the sport, so they should be able to athletically rival other pros who compete in their given sport. Now I don't consider some sports "real" sports (golf, NASCAR, curling, billiards to name a few), but since body builders are visually seen as "athletes" that are physical, you would expect a physical competition. But that's not the case since there isn't any physical exertion except for posing. That's not to say that it isn't exhausting to a depleted, dieted down competitor, but standing in place and flexing is hard comparable to running up and down a field and getting hit or blocked, or running up and down a basketball court. The physical aspect in done outside of the competition and though has an effect in the finished product, holding water, not being shredded, and presentation are actually more of the markers for a competitor to place in a subjective "sport". There are many body builders that "train like an animal" but nutrition and dieting are more important when it comes to competition. And unlike many pros of other sports, ALL of the amateurs and pros (not including true drug tested events) in body building become "athletic" with anabolic help. Though there are users in other pro sports, the majority are pros based on their own physical abilities and skill. Take away the anabolics with body builders, then can you say they are just as "athletic"?
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So are the porno ads. If it was a REAL sport. Then every major newspaper or at two would feature the Mr. Olympia or Arnold winner at least. Not to mention the other pro shows. But, no papers do that. The only ones are the local papers in the town the event is happening. Did the LA TIMES, New York Post, Chicago Times, USA Today have anything about the winners of the Olympia or ASC. Please post them from the sport section. Was it even on ESPN where they even air Dart championships.
like i mentioned a million times, newspapers or tv will not cover something that nobody cares about ::)
did you know that the LA TIMES no longer covers away games for the LA KINGS? why? because nobody in LA cares about hockey
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If you consider it a sport, then you also consider them sports athletes. They are PROS in the sport, so they should be able to athletically rival other pros who compete in their given sport. Now I don't consider some sports "real" sports (golf, NASCAR, curling, billiards to name a few), but since body builders are visually seen as "athletes" that are physical, you would expect a physical competition. But that's not the case since there isn't any physical exertion except for posing. That's not to say that it isn't exhausting to a depleted, dieted down competitor, but standing in place and flexing is hard comparable to running up and down a field and getting hit or blocked, or running up and down a basketball court. The physical aspect in done outside of the competition and though has an effect in the finished product, holding water, not being shredded, and presentation are actually more of the markers for a competitor to place in a subjective "sport". There are many body builders that "train like an animal" but nutrition and dieting are more important when it comes to competition. And unlike many pros of other sports, ALL of the amateurs and pros (not including true drug tested events) in body building become "athletic" with anabolic help. Though there are users in other pro sports, the majority are pros based on their own physical abilities and skill. Take away the anabolics with body builders, then can you say they are just as "athletic"?
athletes are not and never have been created equal
michael jordan wanted to be a baseball player, he failed
does that mean baseball players are better athletes? i say no but like i said, different sports and there aren't too many people great at one thing, let alone two
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like i mentioned a million times, newspapers or tv will not cover something that nobody cares about ::)
did you know that the LA TIMES no longer covers away games for the LA KINGS? why? because nobody in LA cares about hockey
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Well that's almost true. The Kings, like many other "loser" teams, hire their own sports writers that contribute to the papers.
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Well that's almost true. The Kings, like many other "loser" teams, hire their own sports writers that contribute to the papers.
there is no article on away games, the beat writer doesn't attend them
it's just a box score like every other team in the league
that was last year though, maybe they have a guy covering the game now
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athletes are not and never have been created equal
michael jordan wanted to be a baseball player, he failed
does that mean baseball players are better athletes? i say no but like i said, different sports and there aren't too many people great at one thing, let alone two
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I agree with you on athletes of sports never being created equal. But you have to admit that diet, nutrition, conditioning and presentation are the real factors in a body building competition more so than the physical off season training. Many pros train hard, gain muscle, work on separation, etc. in the off season, but that doesn't mean anything if they come in fat and off. And how do you measure that physical work during the competition? You don't. And again, take away the drugs, how "athletic" are the pros then?
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there is no article on away games, the beat writer doesn't attend them
it's just a box score like every other team in the league
that was last year though, maybe they have a guy covering the game now
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They hired someone.
http://www.oberjuerge.com/http:/www.oberjuerge.com/la-kings-hire-their-own-reporter-start-of-trend/
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I agree with you on athletes of sports never being created equal. But you have to admit that diet, nutrition, conditioning and presentation are the real factors in a body building competition more so than the physical off season training. Many pros train hard, gain muscle, work on separation, etc. in the off season, but that doesn't mean anything if they come in fat and off. And how do you measure that physical work during the competition? You don't. And again, take away the drugs, how "athletic" are the pros then?
jay cutler did a half assed posing routine at the 2001 olympia, he was ahead of ronnie until then
posing and presentation affects placings, it's not just "how you look", many shows have guys improve their placing due to superior posing skills and knowing how to display the physique to their advantage
take away the drugs how "athletic" are pros in other sports? drugs help everybody
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jay cutler did a half assed posing routine at the 2001 olympia, he was ahead of ronnie until then
posing and presentation affects placings, it's not just "how you look", many shows have guys improve their placing due to superior posing skills and knowing how to display the physique to their advantage
take away the drugs how "athletic" are pros in other sports? drugs help everybody
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Didn't I say that? Presentation is posing and displaying physique if you relate it to body building. And unlike other pro sports, pro and amateur body building competitors and competition RELY COMPLETELY on drugs in order for it to survive. Take away the drugs and how much of a "sport" would it be even to the loyal body building fan? If it were that way, then Natural shows would make headlines in the sports section, and even though drug free events don't. Take away drugs from pro baseball, the pitchers can still pitch 85-90 miles per hour, pro football players will still run 4.5 40's, and pro basket ball players will still hit 3 pointers. We already know what happens to pro body builders when they "de juice". Nowhere even close to the physique they would display without them.
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For example Paul Dillet was a great bodybuilder but extremely uncoordonated. Mindspin can back me up on this. Not an athlete by any means. There are some that are genuinely athletic ( Phil Heath, Franco Columbu, Mr Twizzler, Frank Hillebrand,etc ). So I would not generalize. Some are, some aren't. I believe Bob Chick used to play competitive sports too ( right Bob? )
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For example Paul Dillet was a great bodybuilder but extremely uncoordonated. Mindspin can back me up on this. Not an athlete by any means. There are some that are genuinely athletic ( Phil Heath, Franco Columbu, Mr Twizzler, Frank Hillebrand,etc ). So I would not generalize. Some are, some aren't. I believe Bob Chick used to play competitive sports too ( right Bob? )
"hide the sausage" is not a " competitive sport "
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Earl pw3ning Mindspin's bitter ass to oblivion 8)
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For example Paul Dillet was a great bodybuilder but extremely uncoordonated. Mindspin can back me up on this. Not an athlete by any means. There are some that are genuinely athletic ( Phil Heath, Franco Columbu, Mr Twizzler, Frank Hillebrand,etc ). So I would not generalize. Some are, some aren't. I believe Bob Chick used to play competitive sports too ( right Bob? )
But again, if they thrived and were just as competitive in the pro sports they were athletic in, they would probably be competing in that pro sport and not bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is usually their second choice since most have to conform to drug use, eat tremendous amounts of food, diet, etc.
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(http://www.australia-bodybuilding.com/Interesting%20Pictures/paul%20stat.jpg)
One of the greatest athletes the sport has seen! Can't move....
hahahhaha.....shit!...this pic will never go out of style. Big Paul had a Cramping Problem all his career. this one seemed like it was the most serious.
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Being an athlete is not the same as being athletic. I would (as my friends growing up) would consider me athletic cause I was good at most sports I competed in or tried. I was exceptionally in some such as baseball and skiing. I could shoot a basketball and kick ass in "horse" but I wasn't the best dribbler (I could get by). But, I did get a basket in a game I played in with Dr. J (he passed it to me). Yes I had to name drop. By the way John Havlichik and Rick Barry were on the same team. Here is another name drop. I played against Bjorn Borg in front of about 5000 people. He hit me in the chest with the ball too. I love golf and was quite good at that. I even played a few games of Polo in Hawaii. When the newspaper and TV interviewed me I told them it was one of the hardest sports I have ever played. Polo really is hard. I could bowl very good too with numerous 200+ games. I think my high was 230 something. Any sport that required any kind of long distance running or endurance though I sucked at. I am not a runner by any means. From high school into the pros it seemed that running a 6 minute mile was something you had to do. Not once did I ever do that. If it wasn't for my skill I don't think they would have let my slide by. And it wasn't that I got really tired more than just bored. Cause I could ride a bike forever and at times would log in 30 to 50 miles a day in Hawaii riding my bike. I just get bored quick. Any sport that takes aiming into account I was good at too. My dad owned a shooting and archery range in Inglewood, CA and I got into that stuff when I was really little.
And I am sure most of the people on here can say the same as me when they we younger but that just means you are athletic. Does not mean you are an athlete. Being an athlete is something I take as it being your job you are making an actual living from it. Many people do everything I have done above and alot more. But, they do it as a hobby or to stay in shape. Not as a living. An athlete makes a living from competing in a sport. many people are athletic but few are athletes.
Hope this helps. I ramble cause I am working while I type this shit so I get all mixed up but you can figure it out
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And I am sure most of the people on here can say the same as me when they we younger but that just means you are athletic. Does not mean you are an athlete. Being an athlete is something I take as it being your job you are making an actual living from it. Many people do everything I have done above and alot more. But, they do it as a hobby or to stay in shape. Not as a living. An athlete makes a living from competing in a sport. many people are athletic but few are athletes.
I agree here. Only a handful of pro bodybuilders have lucrative enough supplement and endorsement contracts to sustain a living based on the cost that it takes to compete. Most pros have to have "real" job to support their bodybuilding career and can't rely on just themselves being a pro to make money. Lol, G4P seems to supplement as a job for many though.
Of course the top tier make a living off bodybuilding contracts with mags, supplement companies, equipment companies, etc. but again even mediocre pro athletes (people that sit on the bench or are 2nd, 3rd, 4th string players) make a living off being a pro athlete.
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and most people here hate everything about bodybuilding yet they can't stop coming back ::)
your links
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/11/sports/backtalk-extreme-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder.html?scp=2&sq=mr.+olympia+bodybuilding&st=nyt
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08124/878890-139.stm
the first is an article, the other is advertising a show
you may notice what section these links are located in ;D
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Thanks for the links. I never saw that Bob Lipsyte article before. Very nice!
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Notice this was covered a "sports" TV network as the icon in the corner suggests
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Notice this was covered a "sports" TV network as the icon in the corner suggests
So? Pool is on ESPN and Sky Sports.
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ESPN has also covered spelling bees bi-bobs...does that mean that is a sports event as well? Dipshit.
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Didn't I say that? Presentation is posing and displaying physique if you relate it to body building. And unlike other pro sports, pro and amateur body building competitors and competition RELY COMPLETELY on drugs in order for it to survive. Take away the drugs and how much of a "sport" would it be even to the loyal body building fan? If it were that way, then Natural shows would make headlines in the sports section, and even though drug free events don't. Take away drugs from pro baseball, the pitchers can still pitch 85-90 miles per hour, pro football players will still run 4.5 40's, and pro basket ball players will still hit 3 pointers. We already know what happens to pro body builders when they "de juice". Nowhere even close to the physique they would display without them.
You are right here. Drugs play such a huge part of bodybuilding. Without them there probably wouldn't be any major contest coverage at all. Roids in football, baseball, basketball, or any other "real" sport really hasn't affected it that much. Baseball is probably the most affected and that pertains to hitting distance not frequency. Roids play absolutely no role on getting the bat on the ball. It does though to a point on bat speed and power hence the increased number of home runs. But they do not improve hand/eye cooridnation. They also have a positive affect on throwing speed and physical recovery. But, in football and other sports what have they really done that is so drastic from 50 years ago. Golf scores are not that much better than they were 50+ years ago when they were using wooden clubs. Guys were shooting in the 60's back then just like today. Drives might be a little further but that's it. Track and Field events are noticeably better but training equipment and technique have a big part of that.
No other activity depends more of the use of drugs than bodybuilding. Pure and simple.
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Didn't I say that? Presentation is posing and displaying physique if you relate it to body building. And unlike other pro sports, pro and amateur body building competitors and competition RELY COMPLETELY on drugs in order for it to survive. Take away the drugs and how much of a "sport" would it be even to the loyal body building fan? If it were that way, then Natural shows would make headlines in the sports section, and even though drug free events don't. Take away drugs from pro baseball, the pitchers can still pitch 85-90 miles per hour, pro football players will still run 4.5 40's, and pro basket ball players will still hit 3 pointers. We already know what happens to pro body builders when they "de juice". Nowhere even close to the physique they would display without them.
what do the drugs have to do with the physical exertion on stage?
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Earl pw3ning Mindspin's bitter ass to oblivion 8)
hahaha you know it, he won't recover 8)
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But again, if they thrived and were just as competitive in the pro sports they were athletic in, they would probably be competing in that pro sport and not bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is usually their second choice since most have to conform to drug use, eat tremendous amounts of food, diet, etc.
basketball at one time was michael jordan's second choice
football was antonio gates second choice
i don't understand what you are saying ???
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I agree here. Only a handful of pro bodybuilders have lucrative enough supplement and endorsement contracts to sustain a living based on the cost that it takes to compete. Most pros have to have "real" job to support their bodybuilding career and can't rely on just themselves being a pro to make money. Lol, G4P seems to supplement as a job for many though.
Of course the top tier make a living off bodybuilding contracts with mags, supplement companies, equipment companies, etc. but again even mediocre pro athletes (people that sit on the bench or are 2nd, 3rd, 4th string players) make a living off being a pro athlete.
so now salary decides whether you are an athlete or not ???
ps natural competitive bodybuilding is a sport too
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what do the drugs have to do with the physical exertion on stage?
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Well since anabolics help with recovery and strength, in a totally depleted, dehydrated physical state it makes sense it assists in flexing and posing.
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basketball at one time was michael jordan's second choice
After he achieved all he could in basketball. His scholarship was for basketball, he was drafted as a basketball star.
football was antonio gates second choice
i don't understand what you are saying ???
I'll agree with you an this one, but just like a guy who can't become a cop settles for being a security guard, supposedly "athletic" bodybuilders settle for bodybuilding after failing to cut it as an athlete.
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so now salary decides whether you are an athlete or not ???
ps natural competitive bodybuilding is a sport too
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How many "true athletes" in any given sport work a regular job along with their chosen sport?
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ESPN has also covered spelling bees bi-bobs...does that mean that is a sports event as well? Dipshit.
don't be ashamed......no one needs to know that you were a penguin's bitch at the zoo
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How many "true athletes" in any given sport work a regular job along with their chosen sport?
A lot actually. The vast majority of Olympic athletes and even Olympic hopefuls, all of whom have the athletic abilities of your average MLBer and beyond, don't earn a penny from their sports. A number of pro boxers and MMA fighters, except for the most elite, work day jobs. I knew a couple of NFL prospects who were truer athletes than anyone I've met, but could only get walk on tryouts with a couple of NFL teams and so had to work at other jobs for a living.
It's the rare athlete who earns a living at his sport.
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what do the drugs have to do with the physical exertion on stage?
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Wow sometimes I wonder about you. Have you heard of diruetics. Ask Momo and Dillet and many others. That IS a drug.
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How many "true athletes" in any given sport work a regular job along with their chosen sport?
when there is hardly any demand or little fan support, you can't pay them the big bucks
lower level pro boxers work a day job too
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Wow sometimes I wonder about you. Have you heard of diruetics. Ask Momo and Dillet and many others. That IS a drug.
my point is you don't need drugs to have a good posing routine on stage, just like you don't need drugs to swing a bat or shoot a basketball
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A lot actually. The vast majority of Olympic athletes and even Olympic hopefuls, all of whom have the athletic abilities of your average MLBer and beyond, don't earn a penny from their sports. A number of pro boxers and MMA fighters, except for the most elite, work day jobs. I knew a couple of NFL prospects who were truer athletes than anyone I've met, but could only get walk on tryouts with a couple of NFL teams and so had to work at other jobs for a living.
It's the rare athlete who earns a living at his sport.
I think the Olympic athletes and hopefuls are in the position of not earning because until recently, you had to be an amateur and couldn't be sponsored or paid by endorsements. Also remember the Olympics are every 4 years so it would be understandable that these athletes would probably have to have a supplemental income to continue with their training and just regular living. They are the exception.
In MMA and pro boxing there is no criteria to becoming a pro. You considered an amateur until you draw enough interest from promoters to pay you big money. That's when you become a pro.
As for NFL prospects, that's exactly what they are until picked up by a pro team. So they are good athletes (better that the average joe on the street), but not pro athletes.
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when there is hardly any demand or little fan support, you can't pay them the big bucks
lower level pro boxers work a day job too
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There is no criteria to become a pro boxer. A boxer that can't win doesn't make money.
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A lot actually. The vast majority of Olympic athletes and even Olympic hopefuls, all of whom have the athletic abilities of your average MLBer and beyond, don't earn a penny from their sports. A number of pro boxers and MMA fighters, except for the most elite, work day jobs. I knew a couple of NFL prospects who were truer athletes than anyone I've met, but could only get walk on tryouts with a couple of NFL teams and so had to work at other jobs for a living.
It's the rare athlete who earns a living at his sport.
This is true and includes most amateur athletes and it's not easy. When I was seriously competing in Jiu-Jitsu I get up early to train before work and then again after work 5-6 days a week. That was pretty much my whole life - work and train. And I didn't get paid. In fact, I had to pay for the travel and to enter the tournaments. And I definitely considered myself an athlete and as committed as any pro.
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This is true and includes most amateur athletes and it's not easy. When I was seriously competing in Jiu-Jitsu I get up early to train before work and then again after work 5-6 days a week. That was pretty much my whole life - work and train. And I didn't get paid. In fact, I had to pay for the travel and to enter the tournaments. And I definitely considered myself an athlete and as committed as any pro.
Hi Pellius. Who did you train under? Do you have an clips from your tournaments?
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This is true and includes most amateur athletes and it's not easy. When I was seriously competing in Jiu-Jitsu I get up early to train before work and then again after work 5-6 days a week. That was pretty much my whole life - work and train. And I didn't get paid. In fact, I had to pay for the travel and to enter the tournaments. And I definitely considered myself an athlete and as committed as any pro.
you might work hard and e super commited
but you lack any talnt whatsoever
in fact...I have never been in a cage and whould whoop your sorry old arse easily
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Hi Pellius. Who did you train under? Do you have an clips from your tournaments?
I started in 1991 when Rorion open up his academy in Torrance, CA. Back then it was Rorion, Royce, Royler and Rickson. My first lesson was with Royce and I would train with him once a week and Royler once a week and then the group class. Private lessons were only $20 a session back in those days. When Royler went back to Brasil and Rickson left to start his own school in West LA on Pico Bl. I moved over to Rickson's school as I didn't really like Royce at the time (that changed over the years as he matured). There I would take an hour private with Rickson once a week and the group class the rest of the week.
When Rickson started competing more in Japan and becoming more in demand for seminars and private lessons he didn't teach as much. I was living in Redondo Beach at the time and just about a half mile away their cousins, the Machado's, had a school. It was Rigan, Carlos, Jean-Jacques, Roger and John. All of them were top level Black Belts whereas at Rickson's school there was only Luis Heredia (Limao) who was still a Brown Belt. When Chuck Norris got that show in Texas he took Carlos with him as Chuck loved Jiu-Jitsu wanted to keep training and helped Carlos set up an academy in Texas.
I got tired of training with the gi because so many of the techniques are pretty sophisticated and required a lot of time drilling and about 85% of it was useless in a fight unless your opponent and you happen to be wearing a gi. I moved to rAw later renamed the R1 Training Center in El Segundo, CA. It was more of an MMA gym so you didn't wear a gi and it was run by Frank Trigg and Rico Chiapparelli.
The early days, before the sport took off, were the best times of my life. Just a little obscure sub-culture doing something out of sheer love of the sport. Those were the days of the underground, closed door bare knuckle fights.
Rickson is everything that people say he is and more. But it is Renzo that's the warrior of the family. It pains me to say that. If Rickson took the fight with Sakuraba when Saku was in his prime and the first to start tooling the Gracie's he would have been a legend. But he didn't. Something I'll never understand. Helio would have stepped up. That's for sure. That's for damn sure.
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That's pretty cool. How far have you come with jiu jitsu?
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you might work hard and e super commited
but you lack any talnt whatsoever
in fact...I have never been in a cage and whould whoop your sorry old arse easily
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LOL! Of course you would -- behind a computer. But if there was really a chance that we would meet you would do another Okami and pussy out.
Dude, don't you have any shame, pride and honor at all? You've already blatantly exposed yourself as a coward when you made that bold challenge to Okami and when he actually accepted and was prepared to meet you the excuses came pouring out. And still you attack him when you should be silent and humble as you so dishonored and disgraced yourself publicly.
Aren't you even the least bit embarrassed by that? Not even just a little? To back down to a challenge YOU made? And still you mouth off? Really Sev, what is wrong with you? Maybe it's just a cultural thing when a country had to live so long under the Communist boot that you're still just a broken people with no will, no pride, no shame.
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I started in 1991 when Rorion open up his academy in Torrance, CA. Back then it was Rorion, Royce, Royler and Rickson. My first lesson was with Royce and I would train with him once a week and Royler once a week and then the group class. Private lessons were only $20 a session back in those days. When Royler went back to Brasil and Rickson left to start his own school in West LA on Pico Bl. I moved over to Rickson's school as I didn't really like Royce at the time (that changed over the years as he matured). There I would take an hour private with Rickson once a week and the group class the rest of the week.
When Rickson started competing more in Japan and becoming more in demand for seminars and private lessons he didn't teach as much. I was living in Redondo Beach at the time and just about a half mile away their cousins, the Machado's, had a school. It was Rigan, Carlos, Jean-Jacques, Roger and John. All of them were top level Black Belts whereas at Rickson's school there was only Luis Heredia (Limao) who was still a Brown Belt. When Chuck Norris got that show in Texas he took Carlos with him as Chuck loved Jiu-Jitsu wanted to keep training and helped Carlos set up an academy in Texas.
I got tired of training with the gi because so many of the techniques are pretty sophisticated and required a lot of time drilling and about 85% of it was useless in a fight unless your opponent and you happen to be wearing a gi. I moved to rAw later renamed the R1 Training Center in El Segundo, CA. It was more of an MMA gym so you didn't wear a gi and it was run by Frank Trigg and Rico Chiapparelli.
The early days, before the sport took off, were the best times of my life. Just a little obscure sub-culture doing something out of sheer love of the sport. Those were the days of the underground, closed door bare knuckle fights.
Rickson is everything that people say he is and more. But it is Renzo that's the warrior of the family. It pains me to say that. If Rickson took the fight with Sakuraba when Saku was in his prime and the first to start tooling the Gracie's he would have been a legend. But he didn't. Something I'll never understand. Helio would have stepped up. That's for sure. That's for damn sure.
That's awesome. In 1991 I had just graduated high school and wasted four years of my life in competitive in competitive bbing. Wish I had discovered BJJ back then. :-\
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That's awesome. In 1991 I had just graduated high school and wasted four years of my life in competitive in competitive bbing. Wish I had discovered BJJ g4p back then. :-\
Fixed it for you bro. 8)
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This is true and includes most amateur athletes and it's not easy. When I was seriously competing in Jiu-Jitsu I get up early to train before work and then again after work 5-6 days a week. That was pretty much my whole life - work and train. And I didn't get paid. In fact, I had to pay for the travel and to enter the tournaments. And I definitely considered myself an athlete and as committed as any pro.
Not to say that what you do as an individual isn't impressive to the average guy, but all pros went through the same thing. If you were as good and competitive as they were, and truly worked and trained as hard, then your living would be made from it. That's the difference between amateurs and pros in almost all sports. Pros make money at the sport.
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That's awesome. In 1991 I had just graduated high school and wasted four years of my life in competitive in competitive bbing. Wish I had discovered BJJ back then. :-\
Well, unless you lived in the LA area there wasn't anywhere to train. I was just lucky because I lived in Torrance where the Gracie's decided to take root. Rorion's family and Rickson's family were all within walking distance to where I lived.
If I knew then how much the sport would have grown and changed the world I would have taken more pics. This was taken in front of their house in Torrance. Lot of soon to be world champs in this shot.
* Cue the homos on this board to make fun of their bodies *
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Not to say that what you do as an individual isn't impressive to the average guy, but all pros went through the same thing. If you were as good and competitive as they were, and truly worked and trained as hard, then your living would be made from it. That's the difference between amateurs and pros in almost all sports. Pros make money at the sport.
100% true.
The point I wanted to make is that you don't have to make money from a sport to be considered an athlete. And it does pain me that I committed myself so much to something but never became world class. But no boo-hoos from me. I'm in the majority. Very few get to the top of the top. But you never know if you don't try but for me I still would have done it all over again because of my love of the combat sports. I may not have gotten a single penny or even a lot of trophies but it shaped me as a human being and as a man. I know I don't show it much here but it has made me a better person and I believe that we will all have our day of judgment where we stand before God. And he isn't going to care if I had a gold medal, lots of money or even if people liked me. He will look into my heart and soul.
I know most on this board will laugh at things like that. To believe in something greater than yourself. But I don't care. I won't have to answer to them on my death bed.
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Well, unless you lived in the LA area there wasn't anywhere to train. I was just lucky because I lived in Torrance where the Gracie's decided to take root. Rorion's family and Rickson's family were all within walking distance to where I lived.
If I knew then how much the sport would have grown and changed the world I would have taken more pics. This was taken in front of their house in Torrance. Lot of soon to be world champs in this shot.
* Cue the homos on this board to make fun of their bodies *
Is that the house up off of Anza I think and then you make a left a few street up. By South High. I can't tell. That is where we trained in 86' in Rorian's garage. Then the girls would fix us that funny food they ate. Everything was bananas. I kind of wish I took it more serious. I know they wished I did too. Look at little Royce in the background. And yep it was $20 an hour for one on one training. Did they have you wear different clothes at times when you were with them
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Is that the house up off of Anza I think and then you make a left a few street up. By South High. I can't tell. That is where we trained in 86' in Rorian's garage. Then the girls would fix us that funny food they ate. Everything was bananas. I kind of wish I took it more serious. I know they wished I did too. Look at little Royce in the background. And yep it was $20 an hour for one on one training. Did they have you wear different clothes at times when you were with them
You are correct. Right off Anza. I was on Prospect and Torrance Bl right across from the 7-11 and Chief Auto parts. Just a couple of blocks walk to the beach. When we trained we always wore a gi. The kids are Ryron, Rener and little Ralek (with Renzo).
I didn't really believe in their diet. When Rigan Machado first came to the US he was so skinny and he and Jean-Jacques could pass as twins. When he started to eat more meat he just blew up. And the guy never lifted weights. In fact, he was the laziest world class athlete I ever knew. He was undefeated except for his one loss against his cousin, Rickson. Rigan really could have been a terror if he had the heart and drive.
(http://www.empiremediallc.com/Articles/Rigan%20Machado222.jpg)
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Is that your pic? You're one scary looking dude.
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That's awesome. In 1991 I had just graduated high school and wasted four years of my life in competitive in competitive bbing. Wish I had discovered BJJ back then. :-\
then what forum would you use to talk about mma?
an mma forum ???
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I think it's pretty clear that bodybuilders are nothing more than male beauty pageant contestants...
Yes they have to train hard, extreme diet, take big amounts of drugs and such, and perhaps one could argue that they have to train harder and diet cleaner than a professional athlete like a football player… but saying that bodybuilding is a SPORT, is pretty silly and I disagree that it is.
I think an athlete is someone that plays a sport… and since I do not think that bodybuilding is a SPORT, I therefore do not think being a bodybuilder makes you an athlete.
So, are you an athlete because you lift weights? Depends who you talk to I guess… I find semantic debates like this pretty silly… but that’s my 2 cents.
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So, are you an athlete because you lift weights? Depends who you talk to I guess… I find semantic debates like this pretty silly… but that’s my 2 cents.
There are many occupations that require lifting heavy weight and some of that all day lifting totals in lots of poundages. Iron workers, baling hay, loaders at docks, etc. are great workers but aren't considered athletes. I would consider a competitive logger, ballroom dancer, or a great skateboarder much more of an athlete than a bodybuilder.
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There are many occupations that require lifting heavy weight and some of that all day lifting totals in lots of poundages. Iron workers, baling hay, loaders at docks, etc. are great workers but aren't considered athletes. I would consider a competitive logger, ballroom dancer, or a great skateboarder much more of an athlete than a bodybuilder.
all of those guys work harder than most athletes
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all of those guys work harder than most athletes
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u don't know shit
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u don't know shit
loading trucks is harder work than baseball and basketball
tell me how i'm wrong
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loading trucks is harder work than baseball and basketball
tell me how i'm wrong
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I played baskeball competitively as in 2nd pro league ... you obviously NEVER played pro sport
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I played baskeball competitively as in 2nd pro league ... you obviously NEVER played pro sport
right ::)
i played in high school, loading trucks involved far more physical exertion, far more grueling
it's not even an argument when it comes to baseball
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all of those guys work harder than most athletes
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Which then begs the question: what does a competitive bodybuilder do "athletically" during a bodybuilding competition that distinguishes them to be called athlete's? Athlete's show their skill, agility, strength, etc. DURING a game or competition.
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Which then begs the question: what does a competitive bodybuilder do "athletically" during a bodybuilding competition that distinguishes them to be called athlete's? Athlete's show their skill, agility, strength, etc. DURING a game or competition.
Quarter turns are a motha !
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Which then begs the question: what does a competitive bodybuilder do "athletically" during a bodybuilding competition that distinguishes them to be called athlete's? Athlete's show their skill, agility, strength, etc. DURING a game or competition.
this has been answered numerous times throughout the thread
look at most getbiggers posing and tell me that there is no skill involved in posing
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Bodybuilders aren't athletes.
They are professional hormone users. Drug experts.
Is some hippy who trips out on acid 3 times a week and plays hacky-sack an athlete?
Is some guy who lifts weights and does absolutely no other sports an athlete?
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this has been answered numerous times throughout the thread
look at most getbiggers posing and tell me that there is no skill involved in posing
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Lol, Earl if that's the criteria that you deem that bodybuilders are "athletes", then runway models, dart throwers, billiard players, skeet shooters, curlers must be too. ::) C'mon where's the agility, strength, speed, etc. DURING a male competitive bodybuilding show. At least in Fitness competitions the females actually have athletic moves in their routines.
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I played baskeball competitively as in 2nd pro league ... you obviously NEVER played pro sport
A league of this status in your country is like a low level community college basketball team here.
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right ::)
i played in high school, loading trucks involved far more physical exertion, far more grueling
it's not even an argument when it comes to baseball
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yu played in HIGHschool and prolly in a shitty school not in a serious bb program
ask showstoppa what's harder : playing bbal or loading truck
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Lol, Earl if that's the criteria that you deem that bodybuilders are "athletes", then runway models, dart throwers, billiard players, skeet shooters, curlers must be too. ::) C'mon where's the agility, strength, speed, etc. DURING a male competitive bodybuilding show. At least in Fitness competitions the females actually have athletic moves in their routines.
you just named a few things that are considered sports
just because they aren't as difficult as something like football doesn't mean they aren't sports
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yu played in HIGHschool and prolly in a shitty school not in a serious bb program
ask showstoppa what's harder : playing bbal or loading truck
regardless the level of competiton, it's still running up and down the court
people play basketball in their spare time, you know anybody that loads trucks in their spare time ::)
far more grueling, no contest
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A bodybuilder is judge by how they look. How is that a sport?
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A bodybuilder is judge by how they look. How is that a sport?
better question, is how is that athletic?
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better question, is how is that athletic?
Unless you're Kai Green, it's not.
I did learn one thing from this thread that I did not consider but now that I think about it and my experience with other bodybuilders is that a lcompetitive bodybuilders are bodybuilders because they failed at a real sport.
I don't think this applies to non competitive bodybuilders. I think most of them want to be big and impressive and maybe even intimidating looking. Lets face it, you get more respect when you're big and strong looking then when you look like a twink. Nothing wrong with that. You also get more respect and treated better when you are rich and successful.
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how can a bodybuilding website have a moderator on its biggest page, be not into bodybuilding or at least not even try to keep his fingers still ???, when it comes to posting on the things he hates about it. ??? ???
for the last couple of days I've seen multiple threads started by mindspin, bashing bodybuilders and the sport, and now I'm pissed >:( >:(.
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mindspin is one of the coolest people here and an up-and-coming fighter
he trains he's brazilian jiu-jitsu regularly
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mindspin is one of the coolest people here and an up-and-coming fighter
he trains he's brazilian jiu-jitsu regularly
so doesn't mean he should be a bb site moderator, he should be replaced.
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Better question is WHY would he want to be one?
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Better question is WHY would he want to be one?
i think there are peaks and valeys with any relationship, and bodybuilding certainly has its ups and downs so maybe its just a low point in he's life in terms of how he perceives bodybuilding
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Minspin used to have an awesome physique...
He even does these days, while being successful, and having a family
I don't see why not.
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The real question is why dont we have more anti bodybuilding moderators?? all this discussion about the arnold and the olympia can be a bit too much at times.
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you just named a few things that are considered sports
just because they aren't as difficult as something like football doesn't mean they aren't sports
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Okay, so do you consider the participants in curling, dart throwing, billiards, bass fishing, and skeet shooting as "athletes" or "competitors"? Simple question so don't try over analyze your answer, just answer with "athlete" or "competitor".
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I did learn one thing from this thread that I did not consider but now that I think about it and my experience with other bodybuilders is that competitive bodybuilders are bodybuilders because they failed at a real sport.
Wise in years am I. :D
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Mindspin is the coolest mod ever.
You like Ron better?Praising kamali and Kovacs.
Mindspin was a bodybuilder.
He still trains, now drugfree.
How many former BB train drugfree when they retire?
Shawn? Mustafa?Romano?
Mindspin is healthy, have money, a brain, and a family.
He see the bodybuilding industry change and he
is telling us about it, no glory or covering up.
Would you rather have a zitfaced
Nasser,Weider's and Derek worshipping, bacne mod
cheering Branch When he doubles his dosage looking like a heartattack
analyzing his big striated glutes.
Mindspin is the man
The guy is too good for GB.
Disliking drug abusing g4p retards makes you
"not into bodybuilding"?
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men in thongs = serious business
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how can a bodybuilding website have a moderator on its biggest page, be not into bodybuilding or at least not even try to keep his fingers still ???, when it comes to posting on the things he hates about it. ??? ???
for the last couple of days I've seen multiple threads started by mindspin, bashing bodybuilders and the sport, and now I'm pissed >:( >:(.
Mindspin had one of Getbigs best physiques when he was younger.
He grew up/is older now.
We all grow old and opinions change.
You can still moderate even though you are not as active in something that you were before. He has experience.
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men in thongs = serious business
YEAH!
Seriously though, I think he is ''into'' bodybuilding, just not the douchebag drug mutation sideshow circus form it has become.
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Building Muscle/Strength/Mass is always good, it's just the parading in thong-part that Mindspin doesn't like.
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Mindspin is the coolest mod ever.
You like Ron better?Praising kamali and Kovacs.
Mindspin was a bodybuilder.
He still trains, now drugfree.
How many former BB train drugfree when they retire?
Shawn? Mustafa?Romano?
Mindspin is healthy, have money, a brain, and a family.
He see the bodybuilding industry change and he
is telling us about it, no glory or covering up.
Would you rather have a zitfaced
Nasser,Weider's and Derek worshipping, bacne mod
cheering Branch When he doubles his dosage looking like a heartattack
analyzing his big striated glutes.
Mindspin is the man
The guy is too good for GB.
Disliking drug abusing g4p retards makes you
"not into bodybuilding"?
Where is Kovacs nowadays? Is he still huge?
And what about Shari Kamali? Is Shari still living at home, or did he move out? TY.
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Who cares,the mods here don`t moderate anyway?
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Speaking of which, what happened to Kovacs? Is he still huge? And did Kamali ever move out of the house?
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Building Muscle/Strength/Mass is always good, it's just the parading in thong-part that Mindspin doesn't like.
He was a thong parader as well...
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He was a thong parader as well...
Not anymore... Things change.
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Not anymore... Things change.
Ahh, once a ho, always a ho. Once a thong parader, always a thong parader...maybe he's like the old stripper who see the young gals doing and sees herself as them and gets disgusted ;D
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Mindspins like to build he body..i here him says this. He no bodybuilder. He do builds him body. ends of statements. Me here hims says these.
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Mindspins like to build he body..i here him says this. He no bodybuilder. He do builds him body. ends of statements. Me here hims says these.
Is that you Marty? :D
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Ahh, once a ho, always a ho. Once a thong parader, always a thong parader...maybe he's like the old stripper who see the young gals doing and sees herself as them and gets disgusted ;D
So you think he's going to backslide? :)
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If being an athlete means being a 270 muscle bound freak that cannot wipe his own ass or put on his belt, then sign me up baby!!! (no homo)
I'm sorry, but I cannot in good faith call a guy like Nasser, who used to get out of breath walking up steps an "ATHLETE"
Who's that bodybuilder that lies about beng natural and was on American Gladiators? The blonde dude...thats an athlete. but not because he bench presses lol
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Not too many athletic bodybuilders out there. Most of the pros waddle around like ducks and gas after walking a small flight of stairs. Im more impressed with a huge, quick and strong bodybuilder.
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Jim Wendler was a competitive powerlifter who squatted 1,000 lbs. He went on record saying he got out of breath climbing up a flight of stairs. Does that not make him an athlete? His sport doesn't require cardio, why judge his outside performance? Would you strip away Lance Armstrong's achievements if he got crushed squatting 250 lbs? Would you dismiss world champion shot putters and sumo wrestlers cause they can't run a 3 hour Marathon? Who cares. What's important is that they are good at what they do.
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Jim Wendler was a competitive powerlifter who squatted 1,000 lbs. He went on record saying he got out of breath climbing up a flight of stairs. Does that not make him an athlete? His sport doesn't require cardio, why judge his outside performance? Would you strip away Lance Armstrong's achievements if he got crushed squatting 250 lbs? Would you dismiss world champion shot putters and sumo wrestlers cause they can't run a 3 hour Marathon? Who cares. What's important is that they are good at what they do.
Wrong. Neither of those guys are judged on how they look.
It's not a sport. It's an activity or pageant.
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Okay, so do you consider the participants in curling, dart throwing, billiards, bass fishing, and skeet shooting as "athletes" or "competitors"? Simple question so don't try over analyze your answer, just answer with "athlete" or "competitor".
This is easy.. yes, because all of those sports require an athletic skill and none of those competitors can win their competition based on how they look, the tone of their skin - muscle mass - etc.
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Wrong. Neither of those guys are judged on how they look.
I am not commenting on you. Please read more carefully.
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I am not commenting on you. Please read more carefully.
Please explain this further....who are you talking to since you didn't quote anyone? I assume the poster above you.
I read fine, if you don't qoute a specific post, youre making a general statement.
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Okay, so do you consider the participants in curling, dart throwing, billiards, bass fishing, and skeet shooting as "athletes" or "competitors"? Simple question so don't try over analyze your answer, just answer with "athlete" or "competitor".
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also i would like to know how a guy becoming a pro bodybuilder instead of becoming pro in another sport means he isn't an athlete?
what does that have to do with anything?
how many deion sanders and bo jackson's are out there?
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Earl, you are such a smart guy...why are you living a lie regarding this particular issue?
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Earl, you are such a smart guy...why are you living a lie regarding this particular issue?
they are sports, just because one is much harder than the other doesn't mean they aren't sports
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You're right, but none of those sports judge the winner based on their looks. It's based on their athletic performance within competition.
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You're right, but none of those sports judge the winner based on their looks. It's based on their athletic performance within competition.
the posing routine isn't a performance at all?
why are some pros much better posers than others?
why are placings affected by their routines and if the routines don't matter why do we have them?
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the posing routine isn't a performance at all?
why are some pros much better posers than others?
why are placings affected by their routines and if the routines don't matter why do we have them?
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It is, but again, the posing is a means to showcase the look of the body (which is what bodybuilders are ultimately judged on - and what makes bodybuilding a pageant, not a sport).
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It is, but again, the posing is a means to showcase the look of the body (which is what bodybuilders are ultimately judged on - and what makes bodybuilding a pageant, not a sport).
i think we will have to agree to disagree
why does the new york times call bodybuilding a sport?
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i think we will have to agree to disagree
why does the new york times call bodybuilding a sport?
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Agreed.
Missinformation. It happens all the time in the media.
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BOOM real athleticism in your face. Of course it doesn't prove anything, just a piece to show what being an athlete is all about. Not posing some silly ''routine.''
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Mindspin should stay! he's been a moderator here for a longggg time many of you are newcomers who don't know it.
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BOOM real athleticism in your face. Of course it doesn't prove anything, just a piece to show what being an athlete is all about. Not posing some silly ''routine.''
do you think babe ruth could've done that?
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also i would like to know how a guy becoming a pro bodybuilder instead of becoming pro in another sport means he isn't an athlete?
what does that have to do with anything?
how many deion sanders and bo jackson's are out there?
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Lol, so dart thrower and billiard players are considered "athletes" to you? Now I see why you think bodybuilders are "athletes" too. And I'll mention it again: most pro bodybuilders failed at becoming a pro in a real sport and resorted to bodybuilding. I would venture to say that practically every pro bodybuilder was a sports player of some sort in high school or college and they couldn't cut the mustard, but since bodybuilding doesn't require any athleticism and that your physique is what ascends to you stardom, then it was easy for them to go that route since they may have already been training at the high school and beyond level.
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the posing routine isn't a performance at all?
why are some pros much better posers than others?
why are placings affected by their routines and if the routines don't matter why do we have them?
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Posing is NOT an athletic performance. Honestly why can't you get this fact. Bodybuilding is NOT a true sport. It is a pageant based on appearance. How can you not admit that.
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the posing routine isn't a performance at all?
why are some pros much better posers than others?
why are placings affected by their routines and if the routines don't matter why do we have them?
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It' a performance, albeit not an 'athletic' one. And apparently posing routines will no longer be scored. So the routines will just be for "entertainment" value now. What's your response to that?
http://www.musclesprod.com/headline/ifbb-eliminating-posing-routine-scoring/
With the new rule, competitors will no incentive to even prepare a posing routine and that will do the fans a disservice. As it was, there were only few who even appeared as if they worked out a presentation. One of the reasons why Kai Greene made such a splash on the scene was because of his unique and incredible posing routine. Hopefully the 2009 Arnold Classic champion will not just go through the motions knowing that his score cannot be improved even though he is head and shoulders above the rest of the pack as a poser.
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Mindspin is the coolest mod ever.
You like Ron better?Praising kamali and Kovacs.
Mindspin was a bodybuilder.
He still trains, now drugfree.
How many former BB train drugfree when they retire?
Shawn? Mustafa?Romano?
Mindspin is healthy, have money, a brain, and a family.
He see the bodybuilding industry change and he
is telling us about it, no glory or covering up.
ould you rather have a zitfaced
Nasser,Weider's and Derek worshipping, bacne mod
cheering Branch When he doubles his dosage looking like a heartattack
analyzing his big striated glutes.
Mindspin is the man
The guy is too good for GB.
Disliking drug abusing g4p retards makes you
"not into bodybuilding"?
EXActly... I'm not for the man to man muscle rubing and wispering to the ear... I love hard training and staying in good conditioning and all, but shobing a small pantie up your ass so that hairy armed 30-60 year old guys can get excited is... just plain wrong... no matter how stanist you might be :D
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Why would anyone be into bodybuilding? Working out is great, watching naked men parade around like a bunch of queens or even worse, doing the parading yourself is just plain gay. Mindspin represents the vast majority of Getbig, other than the fact that he is gainfully employed, doesn't have to pay for sex etc.
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Why would anyone be into bodybuilding? Working out is great, watching naked men parade around like a bunch of queens or even worse, doing the parading yourself is just plain gay. Mindspin represents the vast majority of Getbig, other than the fact that he is gainfully employed, doesn't have to pay for sex etc.
Wow..you've actually been to places where naked men parade around? Weird...I've been to hundreds of BB shows, never seen that. Guess you dont watch too much MMA, or Wrestling, or swimming either....God forbid your sexuality might be called into question, or WORSE.....maybe you'll TURN GAY!
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Wow..you've actually been to places where naked men parade around? Weird...I've been to hundreds of BB shows, never seen that. Guess you dont watch too much MMA, or Wrestling, or swimming either....God forbid your sexuality might be called into question, or WORSE.....maybe you'll TURN GAY!
The sports you mentioned are competitions between people. BBing is judged by how attracted the old queen judges are to the thong clad men prancing around onstage. How you can't see the homosexuality in that is beyond me.
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The sports you mentioned are competitions between people. BBing is judged by how attracted the old queen judges are to the thong clad men prancing around onstage. How you can't see the homosexuality in that is beyond me.
You're gonna make Earl cry, LOL!
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You're gonna make Earl cry, LOL!
Earl is just here cruising for cock. No one can post here that long and not post a pic of themselves, at the very least to prove they workout. No pic+long time poster=skinny twink looking for big strong Magoos.
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Earl is just here cruising for cock. No one can post here that long and not post a pic of themselves, at the very least to prove they workout. No pic+long time poster=skinny twink looking for big strong Magoos.
I really want to believe you're wrong but the Levrone obsession is gay.
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30 thousand posts between the two of you, so why are you guys here if it's so damn gay?
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30 thousand posts between the two of you, so why are you guys here if it's so damn gay?
Prancing around in a thong being judged by queers is gay, working out is not. Try to keep up.
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Prancing around in a thong being judged by queers is gay, working out is not. Try to keep up.
They love bodybuilders, Danielson, not bodybuilding.
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Prancing around in a thong being judged by queers is gay, working out is not. Try to keep up.
The majority of this site has nothing to do with actual workouts. Just about every thread has pics like that. You can appreciate builds without being a homo. Again, 30 thousand posts and yet you guys weather the storm and stick around.
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They love bodybuilders, Danielson, not bodybuilding.
Lol, very true. There is a HUGE difference between the people who come here to bullshit about working out and the ones who come here to openly worship musclebears. Sad thing is, even though the board is still anti-homo, anti-bodybuilder by and large, there are quite a few muscleworshippers gaying up the place. With their worship threads and Arnold play by plays these queers don't even try to hide their deviant sexual behaviors.
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LMAO @ doc and danielson getting in some early morning destruction of tiny titted twinks. ;D
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Lol, very true. There is a HUGE difference between the people who come here to bullshit about working out and the ones who come here to openly worship musclebears. Sad thing is, even though the board is still anti-homo, anti-bodybuilder by and large, there are quite a few muscleworshippers gaying up the place. With their worship threads and Arnold play by plays these queers don't even try to hide their deviant sexual behaviors.
Those pics are basically porn to them on some gay or bi-curious level.
It's like when we straight men look at chicks in bikinis, only they have oiled men in thongs. It also fully explains why really skinny chicks are so attractive to them. :)
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LMAO @ doc and danielson getting in some early morning destruction of tiny titted twinks. ;D
Another confused asshole who hasn't figured out the point of this site.
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Those pics are basically porn to them on some gay or bi-curious level.
It's like when we straight men look at chicks in bikinis, only they have oiled men in thongs. It also fully explains why really skinny chicks are so attractive to them. :)
You basically insult every straight guy in here whos been to an expo or show or actually cares about BB'ing. Maybe there are gay people in here doing what you describe, but it's not at all like that. You are being real ignorant if you can't figure out the distinctions.
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Lol, so dart thrower and billiard players are considered "athletes" to you? Now I see why you think bodybuilders are "athletes" too. And I'll mention it again: most pro bodybuilders failed at becoming a pro in a real sport and resorted to bodybuilding. I would venture to say that practically every pro bodybuilder was a sports player of some sort in high school or college and they couldn't cut the mustard, but since bodybuilding doesn't require any athleticism and that your physique is what ascends to you stardom, then it was easy for them to go that route since they may have already been training at the high school and beyond level.
i consider bodybuilders to be better athletes than billiard players and dart throwers, and so do many others
by definition they are athletes, why is that so hard to understand?
i don't understand why you keep mentioning that they failed at other sports, i get it you're another getbigger that hates bodybuilders yet you can't stop talking about them ::)
that doesn't mean they aren't athletes, it just means they (like 99.9% of men) weren't good enough to be a pro in those sports
michael jordan failed at baseball, he would fail at bodybuilding too
you can't be great at everything
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Posing is NOT an athletic performance. Honestly why can't you get this fact. Bodybuilding is NOT a true sport. It is a pageant based on appearance. How can you not admit that.
then why do some guys pose better than others?
why do some guys look retarded when they pose?
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It' a performance, albeit not an 'athletic' one. And apparently posing routines will no longer be scored. So the routines will just be for "entertainment" value now. What's your response to that?
it was more of a sport before then now if that's the case, still doesn't take away the skills involved in proper posing and the physical exertion used while holding poses
why are some of you so desperate to "prove" that pro bodybuilding is a pageant, is that really what you want it to be? maybe bodybuilding really is mostly a gay male audience :-X
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according to the dictionary a pageant contestant often requires talent and personality
most of you claim bodybuilding has neither, so there goes your argument ;D
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then why do some guys pose better than others?
why do some guys look retarded when they pose?
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Posing does not take much athletic performance it is more of a skill. Some guys can dance and some guys can't. Same thing. Sorry man but you are getting killed with trying to prove or show BB is a sport. You wonder when you will just give up and admit it.
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Posing does not take much athletic performance it is more of a skill. Some guys can dance and some guys can't. Same thing. Sorry man but you are getting killed with trying to prove or show BB is a sport. You wonder when you will just give up and admit it.
competitive dancing is also considered a sport
how am i getting killed? nobody has presented a compelling argument
all i see is "it's a pageant, not a sport" and a bunch of lame excuses
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Another confused asshole who hasn't figured out the point of this site.
So you think the point of this site is to ogle at oiled up muscle men in thongs ???
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Earl is just here cruising for cock. No one can post here that long and not post a pic of themselves, at the very least to prove they workout. No pic+long time poster=skinny twink looking for big strong Magoos.
why do you want to see a pic of me so bad?
and if i was "cruising for cock" i would've left after seeing pics like yours ;D
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I really want to believe you're wrong but the Levrone obsession is gay.
dude you went to the arnold to "meet" getbiggers ???
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Prancing around in a thong being judged by queers is gay, working out is not. Try to keep up.
we've been over this, if you came here for "working out" you would've went to bodybuilding.com, nobody comes here for workout tips
you also admitted to being a shawn ray fan, which makes you a fan of the sport of pro bodybuilding
carry on now
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why do you want to see a pic of me so bad?
and if i was "cruising for cock" i would've left after seeing pics like yours ;D
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So if you think danielson is unattractive, what type of guy are you looking for?
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You basically insult every straight guy in here whos been to an expo or show or actually cares about BB'ing. Maybe there are gay people in here doing what you describe, but it's not at all like that. You are being real ignorant if you can't figure out the distinctions.
he has actually been to expos ;D
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i consider bodybuilders to be better athletes than billiard players and dart throwers, and so do many others
I don't think anyone in their right mind would consider a dart throwing or billiard playing an athletic game, therefore they aren't athlete's.
by definition they are athletes, why is that so hard to understand?
By definition the skill, strength, stamina, agility, etc. is PERFORMED DURING a game or competition. I think that is where your misunderstanding is.
i don't understand why you keep mentioning that they failed at other sports, i get it you're another getbigger that hates bodybuilders yet you can't stop talking about them ::)
I've always been a bodybuilding fan! I'm just debating that bodybuilders aren't athletes. Great at dieting, lifting and enhancing their bodies but not athletes.
that doesn't mean they aren't athletes, it just means they (like 99.9% of men) weren't good enough to be a pro in those sports
A pro in any sport is elite in that they perform feats of athleticism that the average person who tried it couldn't achieve. Pro body builders DON'T COMPETE ATHLETICALLY on stage. They DISPLAY their physiques and are judged on them. I don't think you disagree here.
michael jordan failed at baseball, he would fail at bodybuilding too
you can't be great at everything
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But was arguebly the greatest athletic pro basketball player on Earth. No one would ever doubt that Micahael Jordan wasn't an athlete. ::)
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So if you think danielson is unattractive, what type of guy are you looking for?
not looking for a guy
when you ask somebody what they are looking for, you are basically asking them if they like you :-X
get lost creep!!
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competitive dancing is also considered a sport
how am i getting killed? nobody has presented a compelling argument
all i see is "it's a pageant, not a sport" and a bunch of lame excuses
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No competitive dancing isn't considered a sport. ::) But the dancers are way more athletic than pro body builders. And I think I'm more than addressing what you feel are criterias for the sport, but your responses aren't strong at all.
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he couldn't be a pro bodybuilder
if you are going to put down bodybuilders for not being pro at other sports, you have to do the same for others
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No competitive dancing isn't considered a sport. ::) But the dancers are way more athletic than pro body builders. And I think I'm more than addressing what you feel are criterias for the sport, but your responses aren't strong at all.
yeah it is
your responses are weak if you ask me
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So if you think danielson is unattractive, what type of guy are you looking for?
Probably tall guys who flip tires. :)
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Mindspin is the coolest mod ever.
You like Ron better?Praising kamali and Kovacs.
Mindspin was a bodybuilder.
He still trains, now drugfree.
How many former BB train drugfree when they retire?
Shawn? Mustafa?Romano?
Mindspin is healthy, have money, a brain, and a family.
He see the bodybuilding industry change and he
is telling us about it, no glory or covering up.
Would you rather have a zitfaced
Nasser,Weider's and Derek worshipping, bacne mod
cheering Branch When he doubles his dosage looking like a heartattack
analyzing his big striated glutes.
Mindspin is the man
The guy is too good for GB.
Disliking drug abusing g4p retards makes you
"not into bodybuilding"?
Pro bodybuilding involves drugs.
You don't like it fuck off.
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Probably tall guys who flip tires. :)
with cone heads?
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some of the bodybuilding haters on here would have you believe its not the man with the best physique that wins the competition but rather the one who gives the best blowjob the night before pre judging
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he couldn't be a pro bodybuilder
if you are going to put down bodybuilders for not being pro at other sports, you have to do the same for others
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I don't disagree about another pro athlete being unable to succeed in another sport that they aren't good at. Never have. The debate is whether or not a pro body builder is an "athlete". You haven't given any solid foundation, even according to your use of the dictionary term, that a body builder is one. Even the lame use as posing as the criteria for athleticism is feeble at best.
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LOL @ earl still trying to convince people bbing is a sport.
Bbing is as much of a sport as the Miss America pageant.
As a matter of fact, I'd say it takes more talent to compete for Miss America since they have to give some gay speach.
hahahahha Could you imagine Ronnie being judged for his answer on why he would make the best Mr Olympia? ;D
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yeah it is
your responses are weak if you ask me
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Alright, competitive dance is now starting to be viewed as a sport. So do judges refer to the competitors as athletes or dancers? And though you find my responses weak, they uphold against the debate which you claim pro body builders are athletes. You haven't responded with anything solid to refute.
So let's make it easy again:
In a body building competition what is it that the competitors do during the show that shows athletic ability? Jumping, running, throwing, hurdling, shooting a ball, dribbling a ball, hitting a ball, dang I'll even take mandatory push ups...............what exactly is it that a body builder does to show athletic ability?
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I don't disagree about another pro athlete being unable to succeed in another sport that they aren't good at. Never have. The debate is whether or not a pro body builder is an "athlete". You haven't given any solid foundation, even according to your use of the dictionary term, that a body builder is one. Even the lame use as posing as the criteria for athleticism is feeble at best.
ok if it makes you feel better to be a fan of a "male beauty pageant", be my guest ;)
me and every major newspaper will continue to see it for what it is, a sport
nothing you have said can convince me otherwise, and apparently nothing i say will change your mind so whatever
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LOL @ earl still trying to convince people bbing is a sport.
Bbing is as much of a sport as the Miss America pageant.
As a matter of fact, I'd say it takes more talent to compete for Miss America since they have to give some gay speach.
hahahahha Could you imagine Ronnie being judged for his answer on why he would make the best Mr Olympia? ;D
this is what i'm talking about, all of you keep repeating the same nonsense
and you expect me to change my mind ::)
it's very strange for all of you to follow what you feel is a "male beauty pageant"
i guess bay was right, most of you are at least bi curious :-X
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Alright, competitive dance is now starting to be viewed as a sport. So do judges refer to the competitors as athletes or dancers? And though you find my responses weak, they uphold against the debate which you claim pro body builders are athletes. You haven't responded with anything solid to refute.
So let's make it easy again:
In a body building competition what is it that the competitors do during the show that shows athletic ability? Jumping, running, throwing, hurdling, shooting a ball, dribbling a ball, hitting a ball, dang I'll even take mandatory push ups...............what exactly is it that a body builder does to show athletic ability?
i've already gone over this, but it seems you've conditioned your mind to think that my responses are "feeble" so i'm not going to repeat myself, like you basically are
keep following those "male beauty pageants", at least mindspin admitted he would've been gay if he didn't have women around while competing ;D
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i've already gone over this, but it seems you've conditioned your mind to think that my responses are "feeble" so i'm not going to repeat myself, like you basically are
keep following those "male beauty pageants", at least mindspin admitted he would've been gay if he didn't have women around while competing ;D
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I'm saying you're stating that posing is the "athletic" participation of body building. And now posing won't even be scored so where does that leave the "athleticism" in body building now?
In all of the body building magazines, posing isn't considered "athletic" but an "art". I agree. It's an art and not an athletic portion of a show.
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It's true, you can't make it without the drugs... that's what I've realized after 20 - 25 years of natural training... and it's good to know that to become an "all natural" pro, is just a lofty goal that ain't gonna happen. So now, I just train to be healthy and to get the most out of life because I don't like to waste time.
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Mindspin is an original getbigger from the days of anarchy. The days long before people whined to have others time-outted. In fact, time out didn't exist.
MS would regularly attack and own along with the best of them and never hid behind the paltry bit of power being a "mod" gave him.
He is/was the best kind of mod: didn't want it, didn't ask for it and never abused it.
There is a positive board for pure muscle worship and a healthy scepticism towards drug abusers/dealers in panties is really not the end of the world..
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ok if it makes you feel better to be a fan of a "male beauty pageant", be my guest ;)
me and every major newspaper will continue to see it for what it is, a sport
nothing you have said can convince me otherwise, and apparently nothing i say will change your mind so whatever
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Earl post up the article in anyone of the following papers the New York Times, Boston Herald, The Sporting News, LA Times or USA Today about last year Mr. Olympia. We'll wait
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Earl post up the article in anyone of the following papers the New York Times, Boston Herald, The Sporting News, LA Times or USA Today about last year Mr. Olympia. We'll wait
Watching the paint dry on the wall right now.
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Keep merging ... Hopefully, one day, we can merge everything and just have a mega thread.
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I remember those old days here and I miss them as much as the old days in the gym too. There was just one board to post and there was not so many people here. Now, there's too much info. :-\
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Earl post up the article in anyone of the following papers the New York Times, Boston Herald, The Sporting News, LA Times or USA Today about last year Mr. Olympia. We'll wait
Man I ask Earl to complete a very very simple task since he said every major paper covered BB and yet he has not come back. I'll make it even easier Earl. Post just one article about BB in any of those newspaper from a show other than located in the same town. Don't post an article on the Ironman in the LA Times (the Ironman is in LA right?)
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I hope that they don't start calling that show "The Biggest Loser" a soprt.
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I hope that they don't start calling that show "The Biggest Loser" a soprt.
Lol, some of the contestants consider themselves "athletes". Although I give credit to some of them because some have done marathons during their weight losses for challenges.
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Earl post up the article in anyone of the following papers the New York Times, Boston Herald, The Sporting News, LA Times or USA Today about last year Mr. Olympia. We'll wait
i've been telling you this for years now ::)
NEWSPAPERS AND MEDIA DO NOT COVER SPORTS THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT
i already posted a NY times article where they acknowledge bodybuilding as a sport but you are free to keep calling it a "male beauty pageant", says a lot about you ;D
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i've been telling you this for years now ::)
NEWSPAPERS AND MEDIA DO NOT COVER SPORTS THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT
i already posted a NY times article where they acknowledge bodybuilding as a sport but you are free to keep calling it a "male beauty pageant", says a lot about you ;D
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That is your comeback. NOW they don't cover BB. First you said all the major papers do and now you say they don't Earl get it straight. And where is that article. At least you say there is one article. Not bad for over 50 years. Now show it.
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Man I ask Earl to complete a very very simple task since he said every major paper covered BB and yet he has not come back. I'll make it even easier Earl. Post just one article about BB in any of those newspaper from a show other than located in the same town. Don't post an article on the Ironman in the LA Times (the Ironman is in LA right?)
why on earth would a new york newspaper talk about a bodybuilding show that is taking place in los angeles? should a new york newspaper cover a las vegas arena football team::)
why is that so hard for you to comprehend? media covers what people actually care about
why is it so important for you to "prove" that your favorite sport (you're never seen in the sports forum) is actually a beauty pageant?
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That is your comeback. NOW they don't cover BB. First you said all the major papers do and now you say they don't Earl get it straight. And where is that article. At least you say there is one article. Not bad for over 50 years. Now show it.
when bodybuilding is mentioned in the papers it is in the sports section, where did i say that every newspaper covers bodybuilding shows?
the article is in this thread, maybe if you actually read my posts instead of refusing to listen you would've seen it ::)
go back to stalking goodrum, that's what you're "good" at
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why on earth would a new york newspaper talk about a bodybuilding show that is taking place in los angeles? should a new york newspaper cover a las vegas arena football team::)
why is that so hard for you to comprehend? media covers what people actually care about
why is it so important for you to "prove" that your favorite sport (you're never seen in the sports forum) is actually a beauty pageant?
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It is a sport. Every major newspaper carries sports from all over the world. And wouldn't you think the biggest BB show in the world and history is ther Mr. Olympia yet NOT ONE major paper covers it. Why is that? NOT ONE. Come Earl come up with something,. You are talking out of your ass now. Forst you say every paper covers BB and now you say why would they. Get it straight, you are embarassing yourself
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It is a sport. Every major newspaper carries sports from all over the world. And wouldn't you think the biggest BB show in the world and history is ther Mr. Olympia yet NOT ONE major paper covers it. Why is that? NOT ONE. Come Earl come up with something,. You are talking out of your ass now. Forst you say every paper covers BB and now you say why would they. Get it straight, you are embarassing yourself
BECAUSE NOBODY OTHER THAN PEOPLE LIKE ME AND YOU CARE ABOUT IT
you are the one talking out of your ass, i never once said every paper covers it ::)
show me one post where i say every newspaper covers bodybuilding shows, all i said was when they cover a show it is in the sports section
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BECAUSE NOBODY OTHER THAN PEOPLE LIKE ME AND YOU CARE ABOUT IT
you are the one talking out of your ass, i never once said every paper covers it ::)
show me one post where i say every newspaper covers bodybuilding shows, all i said was when they cover a show it is in the sports section
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ok if it makes you feel better to be a fan of a "male beauty pageant", be my guest Wink
me and every major newspaper will continue to see it for what it is, a sport
nothing you have said can convince me otherwise, and apparently nothing i say will change your mind so whatever
Not sure but i think you said EVERY paper sees it as a sport. Not sure but I think that is what it says
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when bodybuilding is mentioned in the papers it is in the sports section, where did i say that every newspaper covers bodybuilding shows?
Lol, when body building is mentioned at all now, it's just for steroids busting. ;) Some body builders have to peddle steroids to make a living, because working a regular job might get in the way of their eating and training. ::)
http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=10198633
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/sports/27steroids.html?_r=2&oref=slogin
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=567310
http://www.taylorhooton.org/_blog/Hoots_Corner/post/Steroid_Bust_of_the_Week/
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ok if it makes you feel better to be a fan of a "male beauty pageant", be my guest Wink
me and every major newspaper will continue to see it for what it is, a sport
nothing you have said can convince me otherwise, and apparently nothing i say will change your mind so whatever
Not sure but i think you said EVERY paper sees it as a sport. Not sure but I think that is what it says
yes they see it as a sport, where did i say that they cover every show ::)
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Lol, when body building is mentioned at all now, it's just for steroids busting. ;) Some body builders have to peddle steroids to make a living, because working a regular job might get in the way of their eating and training. ::)
http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=10198633
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/sports/27steroids.html?_r=2&oref=slogin
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=567310
http://www.taylorhooton.org/_blog/Hoots_Corner/post/Steroid_Bust_of_the_Week/
yes because that is the only thing interesting to the average person about the sport
the news tends to focus on the negative, especially when nobody cares about the positive
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yes because that is the only thing interesting to the average person about the sport
the news tends to focus on the negative, especially when nobody cares about the positive
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While I agree on the negative focus of the media, what in Pro body building today is so positive? I mean it's cool to see how freaky body parts can be, but with the excess drug use, even if monitored by a physician, the use of synthol to enhance body parts, the BS of promoting supplements that they say "made them a freak", GH guts, and the non comradery that really didn't exist amongst prior pros of the 80's and even early 90's, there's not much positive. Unless maybe your gay and today's freaks with big guts gets you off.