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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Ursus on April 06, 2010, 07:31:22 PM
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it just came out a few days ago from what i understand
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BTW I aint anti USA at all.
Like a real life MW2 video.
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BTW I aint anti USA at all.
Like a real life MW2 video.
it really is, sounds like a couple of kids playing halo
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Looked good to me. And the radio traffic indicated that the Bradley, called a Brad in the video, was taking fire from the guys at the corner.
All I have to say about the collateral damage is that if the people were allowing them to ambush forces in the neighborhood then when someone gets killed or injured is in no way the US fault.
You wanna cry on their shoulder, by all means go over there and cry on their shoulder, I am sure they will appreciate it up till the time they saw your head off.
Normally, I would support an organization like WikiLeaks, for exposing anonymous submissions and leaks of sensitive governmental, corporate, organizational, or religious documents, while attempting to preserve the anonymity and untraceability of its contributors.
However, WikiLeaks "reporting" leaves much to be desired. There is a definite spin to their release of this video. Their analysis shows bias and is quite inflammatory in the way they portray the actions of the US military.
Watching only the video (the evidence), and disclaiming the official Army line and the WikiLeaks portrayal, I can say that there was no deliberate shooting at known unarmed civilians by US forces. PERIOD. Those that did the shooting had been cleared by higher authority to engage, and that higher authority made its decision based on information provided by troops on the ground and in real time.
Mistakes happen.
If you are running around in a combat zone with nothing that distinguishes you from the combatants, carrying equipment that could easily be mistaken for weaponry (cameras with telephoto lenses), you are playing with fire.
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That is like playing Call for Duty Modern Warfare
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That is like playing Call for Duty Modern Warfare
Fascinating comment from an obese adult well in his 40s.
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In part 2 they open fire on a van trying to get carry the wounded away.
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Looked good to me. And the radio traffic indicated that the Bradley, called a Brad in the video, was taking fire from the guys at the corner.
All I have to say about the collateral damage is that if the people were allowing them to ambush forces in the neighborhood then when someone gets killed or injured is in no way the US fault.
You wanna cry on their shoulder, by all means go over there and cry on their shoulder, I am sure they will appreciate it up till the time they saw your head off.
Normally, I would support an organization like WikiLeaks, for exposing anonymous submissions and leaks of sensitive governmental, corporate, organizational, or religious documents, while attempting to preserve the anonymity and untraceability of its contributors.
However, WikiLeaks "reporting" leaves much to be desired. There is a definite spin to their release of this video. Their analysis shows bias and is quite inflammatory in the way they portray the actions of the US military.
Watching only the video (the evidence), and disclaiming the official Army line and the WikiLeaks portrayal, I can say that there was no deliberate shooting at known unarmed civilians by US forces. PERIOD. Those that did the shooting had been cleared by higher authority to engage, and that higher authority made its decision based on information provided by troops on the ground and in real time.
Mistakes happen.
If you are running around in a combat zone with nothing that distinguishes you from the combatants, carrying equipment that could easily be mistaken for weaponry (cameras with telephoto lenses), you are playing with fire.
how great would it be to send some of these crazy progressive bleeding hearts over there to "console" those people
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I can't attack nor defend the video. It is what it is. Fog of war, etc. I dont know enough of the following statements on it to know if coverup, etc. So I can't make any judgments there.
One thing that bothered me... there were two reporters with camera and 1 guard with a rifle. The kid called in "5 or 6 guys with AK-47s..." then later said "He has an RPG!" while they were shielded from view.
This was an obvious exaggeration. Done in an attempt to get permission to light them up? If he had called in "1 man with rifle. Two guys carrying shoulder bags", would he have gotten the order to fire? I don't know.
So while I know the job they do is above anything I do, and I'm not going to criticize the military... the person did deliver an obvious exaggeration.
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In part 2 they open fire on a van trying to get carry the wounded away.
that is not some "random" van full of good Samaritans...those are fellow combatants attempting to get their wounded out
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that is not some "random" van full of good Samaritans...those are fellow combatants attempting to get their wounded out
With 2 children in the van as well.
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US soldiers over there killing innocent people.
No surprise...... That's what almost this whole conflict has been.
They are just doing what they're told though.
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Looked good to me. And the radio traffic indicated that the Bradley, called a Brad in the video, was taking fire from the guys at the corner.
All I have to say about the collateral damage is that if the people were allowing them to ambush forces in the neighborhood then when someone gets killed or injured is in no way the US fault.
You wanna cry on their shoulder, by all means go over there and cry on their shoulder, I am sure they will appreciate it up till the time they saw your head off.
Normally, I would support an organization like WikiLeaks, for exposing anonymous submissions and leaks of sensitive governmental, corporate, organizational, or religious documents, while attempting to preserve the anonymity and untraceability of its contributors.
However, WikiLeaks "reporting" leaves much to be desired. There is a definite spin to their release of this video. Their analysis shows bias and is quite inflammatory in the way they portray the actions of the US military.
Watching only the video (the evidence), and disclaiming the official Army line and the WikiLeaks portrayal, I can say that there was no deliberate shooting at known unarmed civilians by US forces. PERIOD. Those that did the shooting had been cleared by higher authority to engage, and that higher authority made its decision based on information provided by troops on the ground and in real time.
Mistakes happen.
If you are running around in a combat zone with nothing that distinguishes you from the combatants, carrying equipment that could easily be mistaken for weaponry (cameras with telephoto lenses), you are playing with fire.
Well said.
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With 2 children in the van as well.
dont you understand ANYTHING about insurgent warfare.....that is the type of war the muslim extremists decided to carry out. its not like it used to be where two sides wore their different uniforms, and enemy combatants were easily discernible.
these combatants blend in with the public, and their families and communities....... though they miight not be planting IED's or firing ak-47 themselves, they equip, hide, and assist these insurgents. a guy might be a mechanic during the day, then go out an plant explosives during the night
this is the type of war they wanted to fight, and in many cases they try to use our own honor against us, and purposely have their children with them, or purposely carry out attacks from mosques......because idiots like you buy it hook line and sinker
and as far as those people being innocent............ :-\ :-\
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=326590
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dont you understand ANYTHING about insurgent warfare.....that is the type of war the muslim extremists decided to carry out. its not like it used to be where two sides wore their different uniforms, and enemy combatants were easily discernible.
these combatants blend in with the public, and their families and communities....... though they miight not be planting IED's or firing ak-47 themselves, they equip, hide, and assist these insurgents. a guy might be a mechanic during the day, then go out an plant explosives during the night
this is the type of war they wanted to fight, and in many cases they try to use our own honor against us, and purposely have their children with them, or purposely carry out attacks from mosques......because idiots like you buy it hook line and sinker
and as far as those people being innocent............ :-\ :-\
what do those people or irak got to do with 9/11 dipshit
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what do those people or irak got to do with 9/11 dipshit
i didnt mention anything about 911 fuckstick, learn how to read
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Still more not caring from chaos.
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i didnt mention anything about 911 fuckstick, learn how to read
wow, i thaught it was just a myth what they say about you people
you say they re terrorists so they can die, how did war on terror begin, after9/11 what other terror attacks were there? come on you re not that dumb
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What if they took another look to be sure and in the time that it took to perform that second look, the insurgents opened fire, and it was you lying there dead, the shit is real, you dont die and lose a few points and press restart on the PS3 your gone. I don't agree with the war for Oil and what happened is a tragedy, a tragedy of war, but I would have to say, I would have done the same, no way I'm going to wait in a combat zone, you wait you die. My deepest sympathy to the families of the deceased
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that is not some "random" van full of good Samaritans...those are fellow combatants attempting to get their wounded out
what happened to ROI ?
thats like shooting an unarmed medic cuz he's " healing the enemy". ROI sweetheart, ROI
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With 2 children in the van as well.
It sounds bad but those people over there use families and children as shields. They know we have some compassion and really don't want to kill families or children and they use them when they can. But in reality these kids are helping kill our soldiers. If not now by hiding bombs they will later on grow up to kill our soldiers. So if children just happen to be killed during something like this then it is too bad. I truly believe we should go in there and just fuck them all. If you are on our side then you better get your ass in gear and cross the line. Everyone else, target practice
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it really is, sounds like a couple of kids playing halo
that is literally what the future of warfare is going to be, a nerd sitting at a desk with a screen pushing buttons and controlling real life death machines in real life warfare. so in a way, the best warriors of the future will be...the most skilled video game nerds.
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Bravo Zulu to the troops. Taking care of current and future terrorists all in one swift move.
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LOL, and americans wonder why the world hates them ?!?... heh, those piece of shit in the helicopter should die, that's just straight out murder, there was no AK-47's, there was no fucking RPG, it's clear as day on the video.
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US police should start applying these techniques. You see a large group of men, with guns, loitering around on a street corner.....open up the 30's!!!
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If this footage was identical... and the situation was "Mexican helicopter shot up a team of american reporters and their security guard on the streets of San Diego"....
Suddenly the exaggeration by the helicopter pilot that he seen "5 or 6 guys with AK-47s" wouldn't be such a minor detail.
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If this footage was identical... and the situation was "Mexican helicopter shot up a team of american reporters and their security guard on the streets of San Diego"....
Suddenly the exaggeration by the helicopter pilot that he seen "5 or 6 guys with AK-47s" wouldn't be such a minor detail.
Nah, reporters are shitbags for the most part.....Reuters are the worst....have you ever read any report, of any type from them that was a positive spin on anything the US has ever done?
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I thought I seen a screendump with what definately looked like weapons?
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i've sen that screencap too - there were weapons on 1 or 2. Not 5 or 6 Aks though. I dont know what diff that would have made with the decision making. but stretching the truth in that situation isn't a good idea IMO.
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murderers pure and simple.
not the least bit remorseful either.
shame on the americans that defend their actions.
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murderers pure and simple.
not the least bit remorseful either.
shame on the americans that defend their actions.
How so? they saw a group of degenarates loitering on a street corner, some openly brandishing weapons, most likely the others concealing theirs, and gave them a lead enema. Oh, thats right......2.5 yrs later a couple of reporters went back and questioned family members and friends of the shitbags..... ::)
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That's the end of innocent peoples lives. 2 guys doing their jobs get gunned down for no reason. They die in a horrible way. Why? It's senseless. The whole war is stupid. I can;t believe it's fuckin 2010 and we're actuallly at war with ''insurgents and terrorists'' on a completely different continent.
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That's the end of innocent peoples lives. 2 guys doing their jobs get gunned down for no reason. They die in a horrible way. Why? It's senseless. The whole war is stupid. I can;t believe it's fuckin 2010 and we're actuallly at war with ''insurgents and terrorists'' on a completely different continent.
It's NOT a war dude, america has not been involved in a war since World War 2, all these conflicts.. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Cuba... have all been one way attacks, a war takes two fronts participating, this is just another case of americans murdering people in a foreign country because it suits their political agenda, iraq was for oil, afghanistan is most likely for control of the world's opium trade.
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there is a complete lack of intellect by the american people regarding this 'war on terror'.
9/11 - was clearly allowed to happen or worse aided and planned by the authorities.
not one military branch reacted as they should have - in fact went against clear protocols on what to do in the circumstances.
buildings clearly fall due to a controlled explosion.
president does not react at all when told.
the bin ladens were allowed to leave america shortly after despite america blaming osama.
never ending lies, mistruths, false evidence and denials to any and all questions about this
most of the terrorists were from saudi arabia, yet america declare a war on terror and invade afganistan and iraq.
now video of murder is posted (1 of thousands unreported in the west) and americans think its ok because ' its war' ::)
this is what i am talking about when i talk about ignorant americans.
even your constitution ( that defines you) is being ignored/ superceded by openly illegal policy changes and still you sit there in your star spangled thong shouting ' america fuck yeah ' whenever you hear about your armed forces killing more innocents during an illegal war, based on lies.
your founding fathers will be turning in their graves.
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there is a complete lack of intellect by the american people regarding this 'war on terror'.
9/11 - was clearly allowed to happen or worse aided and planned by the authorities.
not one military branch reacted as they should have - in fact went against clear protocols on what to do in the circumstances.
buildings clearly fall due to a controlled explosion.
president does not react at all when told.
the bin ladens were allowed to leave america shortly after despite america blaming osama.
never ending lies, mistruths, false evidence and denials to any and all questions about this
most of the terrorists were from saudi arabia, yet america declare a war on terror and invade afganistan and iraq.
now video of murder is posted (1 of thousands unreported in the west) and americans think its ok because ' its war' ::)
this is what i am talking about when i talk about ignorant americans.
even your constitution ( that defines you) is being ignored/ superceded by openly illegal policy changes and still you sit there in your star spangled thong shouting ' america fuck yeah ' whenever you hear about your armed forces killing more innocents during an illegal war, based on lies.
your founding fathers will be turning in their graves.
Got any evidence to sustantiate each and every one of those comments?
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Got any evidence to sustantiate each and every one of those comments?
::)
google is your friend.
while you are at it type in 'john f kennedy' and 'magic bullet', then type in 'bush' and 'bay of pigs' then type in 'federal reserve'.
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No then?
Ta.
WHo gives a fuck. Everyone will always hate the top dog. This is evident in all walks of life. e.g Man Utd got beat tonight - Never seen so many fags so happy a team lost.
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No then?
Ta.
WHo gives a fuck. Everyone will always hate the top dog. This is evident in all walks of life. e.g Man Utd got beat tonight - Never seen so many fags so happy a team lost.
no?
i should have known. As you have been raised a catholic in abuse ridden belfast i am not surprised you do not believe truth when you hear it.
let me guess - you thought the priest was cleansing your colon as a kind gesture too ::)
stick to your potato stew, and Guinness lemming.
leave the thinking to those with logic and rational thought.
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Debunks this pretty soundly. Looks to be plenty of weapons there. But I guess the Getbig intellectual heroes know everything from watching a heavily edited 2 minute video of an hours-long fight.
Funny, though. Everyone cries about two dead people who are in the front running for this year's Darwin Award but they couldn't care less when a terrorist blows up a marketplace full of women and children. Ahh, to be anti-American and have your life revolve around it. ::)
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http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
Debunks this pretty soundly. Looks to be plenty of weapons there. But I guess the Getbig intellectual heroes know everything from watching a heavily edited 2 minute video of an hours-long fight.
Funny, though. Everyone cries about two dead people who are in the front running for this year's Darwin Award but they couldn't care less when a terrorist blows up a marketplace full of women and children. Ahh, to be anti-American and have your life revolve around it. ::)
hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha yes it really was quite a fight ::)
that apache was lucky to avoid being hit by those anti aircraft missiles, and gunshots from the soccer mom suv full of children and good samaritans. ::)
america fuck yeah ::)
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no?
i should have known. As you have been raised a catholic in abuse ridden belfast i am not surprised you do not believe truth when you hear it.
let me guess - you thought the priest was cleansing your colon as a kind gesture too ::)
stick to your potato stew, and Guinness lemming.
leave the thinking to those with logic and rational thought.
A Roman Catholic in Belfast has had their fair share of lies and deceit told to them in recent years.
You can either be a bitter fag about it, or
Learn from the mistakes of others without dedicating your whole life to being a bitter little 'Salieri'.
Take a walk, read a book, watch a film, clean the spit out of your tuba. Just calm down. You are not involved in the situation at all so why risk your already dangerously high blood pressure?
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha yes it really was quite a fight ::)
that apache was lucky to avoid being hit by those anti aircraft missiles, and gunshots from the soccer mom suv full of children and good samaritans. ::)
america fuck yeah ::)
Aww, the poor little Muslim sympathizer is upset that those mean old Americans used their superior technology and weaponry to fight. It's not our fault they bring a knife to a gunfight. Regardless, an RPG is more than capable of shooting a helicopter down and RPGs are present in that video and the pictures afterwards.
But those Americans sure had murderous intent in this fight, what with the medical care they gave to the wounded terrorist after the battle. Surely out for blood by helping him live. ::)
Is it "quite a fight" when they park a minivan loaded with explosives in a market at 4 in the morning and then blow it up from a mile away six hours later when said market is full of women and children? Don't hear you crying about that. Or how about the 10 year old boy that was caught with a suicide vest on the other day? Does that bother you? Of course not, Muslim shill.
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A Roman Catholic in Belfast has had their fair share of lies and deceit told to them in recent years.
You can either be a bitter fag about it, or
Learn from the mistakes of others without dedicating your whole life to being a bitter little 'Salieri'.
Take a walk, read a book, watch a film, clean the spit out of your tuba. Just calm down. You are not involved in the situation at all so why risk your already dangerously high blood pressure?
people like you are the blight of humanity.
murder is wrong no matter where it is happening.
did you say this when the uda/uvf kidnapped catholics off the street and killed them too ? when asked did you say " ah well, it doesn't involve me" ::)
one day it will involve you or your relatives or friends or children ( should you ever find someone simple enough to mate with), or childrens children.
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With 2 children in the van as well.
kids should not have been in the van.
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people like you are the blight of humanity.
murder is wrong no matter where it is happening.
did you say this when the uda/uvf kidnapped catholics off the street and killed them too ? when asked did you say " ah well, it doesn't involve me" ::)
one day it will involve you or your relatives or friends or children ( should you ever find someone simple enough to mate with), or childrens children.
C'est la vie
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Aww, the poor little Muslim sympathizer is upset that those mean old Americans used their superior technology and weaponry to fight. It's not our fault they bring a knife to a gunfight. Regardless, an RPG is more than capable of shooting a helicopter down and RPGs are present in that video and the pictures afterwards.
But those Americans sure had murderous intent in this fight, what with the medical care they gave to the wounded terrorist after the battle. Surely out for blood by helping him live. ::)
Is it "quite a fight" when they park a minivan loaded with explosives in a market at 4 in the morning and then blow it up from a mile away six hours later when said market is full of women and children? Don't hear you crying about that. Or how about the 10 year old boy that was caught with a suicide vest on the other day? Does that bother you? Of course not, Muslim shill.
so they found explosives in that van ? ::)
hell why stop at that van why not blow up every soccer mom van they see 'just to be sure' ::)
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so they found explosives in that van ? ::)
hell why stop at that van why not blow up every soccer mom van they see 'just to be sure' ::)
You're so stupid that it's funny. It's a firefight, they're not going to stop and take an hour to assess the situation and determine whether or not the van is safe. They followed proper protocol either way. If these two reporters weren't retards and didn't drive their van into the middle of a firefight then this whole situation could have been avoided.
I think the better question is, why would two retards drive a van with children in it into a firefight?
Thanks for not refuting anything in my post. I'll take that as a sign that you're incapable of doing it. :D
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Lots of soccer mom's rolling about Baghdad ::)
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Lots of soccer mom's rolling about Baghdad ::)
Apparently soccer moms like carrying AK-47s and RPGs. Must be considered fashionable in Iraq. ::)
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WTF I hope for all the grief he is getting over this vid he at least got a tactical nuke.
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http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
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Debunks this pretty soundly. Looks to be plenty of weapons there. But I guess the Getbig intellectual heroes know everything from watching a heavily edited 2 minute video of an hours-long fight.
Funny, though. Everyone cries about two dead people who are in the front running for this year's Darwin Award but they couldn't care less when a terrorist blows up a marketplace full of women and children. Ahh, to be anti-American and have your life revolve around it. ::)
I hope you're writing this in jest, if that was a 'firefight' then I'm the pope, it was 8 or 9 people calmly standing outside of a building, walking talking to each other, WHAT VIDEO WERE YOU WATCHING !?!?
if it was an attack on the apache helicopter it seemed pretty damn docile and calm, so calm in fact I counted ONE weapon (a rifle) which couldn't do anything at all to an attack helicopter armed to the teeth with a laser targeting system... this was murder by a bunch of idiot american soldiers, plain and simple. Straight out murder.
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Got any evidence to sustantiate each and every one of those comments?
Just like church freaks that argue that Jesus is real but have nothing but a book written by a third party years after his death.
You can read bushes and cheneys sworn testimony on 9/11. Oh wait you can't because Bush sealed it. Fuckers.
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You're so stupid that it's funny. It's a firefight, they're not going to stop and take an hour to assess the situation and determine whether or not the van is safe. They followed proper protocol either way. If these two reporters weren't retards and didn't drive their van into the middle of a firefight then this whole situation could have been avoided.
I think the better question is, why would two retards drive a van with children in it into a firefight?
Thanks for not refuting anything in my post. I'll take that as a sign that you're incapable of doing it. :D
a firefight ?
that would require 2 opposing parties exchanging fire with each other.
this was cold bloodied murder, no two ways about it.
those pilots had no hesitation they were foaming at the mouth to open fire, even when they saw one guy crawl away - clearly injured they opened fire again to finish him off.
disgusting, also your complete lack of rational judgement of this hideous mass murder is astounding.
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I hope you're writing this in jest, if that was a 'firefight' then I'm the pope, it was 8 or 9 people calmly standing outside of a building, walking talking to each other, WHAT VIDEO WERE YOU WATCHING !?!?
if it was an attack on the apache helicopter it seemed pretty damn docile and calm, so calm in fact I counted ONE weapon (a rifle) which couldn't do anything at all to an attack helicopter armed to the teeth with a laser targeting system... this was murder by a bunch of idiot american soldiers, plain and simple. Straight out murder.
See, now this post just proves that I'm wasting my time here. Here's a little hint, that wikileaks video is heavily edited and only shows a few minutes of the entire fight. I guess the RPGs present on the actual video were just conjured out of thin air?
You're proving that retarded sheep will believe anything the MSM feeds them.
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Just like church freaks that argue that Jesus is real but have nothing but a book written by a third party years after his death.
You can read bushes and cheneys sworn testimony on 9/11. Oh wait you can't because Bush sealed it. Fuckers.
You might not believe in God - But he believes in you.
Peace be with you!
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haha think about it, we sent all these war machines half way across the world to some completely desolate shithole where 99% of the people are so poor they live in rags in little holes in the sand and barely eat enough to live, yet each and every one of these individuals IS A MORTAL THREAT TO AMERICA AND IF WE DONT GO OVER THERE AND MACHINE GUN THEM AND THEIR WHOLE FAMILIES TO DEATH THEY ARE GOING TO FLY ACROSS THE WORLD TO AMERICA AND KILL US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! B
lol give me a break, really, its just straight up killing/murder.
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Apparently soccer moms like carrying AK-47s and RPGs. Must be considered fashionable in Iraq. ::)
and they are a threat to America and american citizens how?
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and they are a threat to America and american citizens how?
havn't you heard, they all have flying carpets and at any moment thousands of these soccer mom iraqis will fly over to the states and kill everyone :o ::)
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havn't you heard, they all have flying carpets and at any moment thousands of these soccer mom iraqis will fly over to the states and kill everyone :o ::)
yes!!! they cant even afford to survive but they are going to ALL FLY TO AMERICA AND KILL US ALL!!!!!!!!!!UNLESS WE GET THEM FIRST!!!!!!! HOOO-RAAAAAAHHHH!!!! BLOW UP THEIR WHOLE FAMILIES JUST TO BE SURE!!!!!!!!
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It's NOT a war dude, america has not been involved in a war since World War 2, all these conflicts.. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Cuba... have all been one way attacks, a war takes two fronts participating, this is just another case of americans murdering people in a foreign country because it suits their political agenda, iraq was for oil, afghanistan is most likely for control of the world's opium trade.
I completely agree with this
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theres LOTS of people right here in the american south who hate and hope for the collapse/overthrow of our current government, and they ALL have guns, and they are already right here inside our own country!!!! WE HAD BETTER AIRSTRIKE THE SOUTH!!!!!! THEY HAVE GUNS AND DONT LIKE OUR GOVERNMENT!!!!! THEY ARE A THREAT SEND IN THE MARINES!!!!!! KILL THEIR FAMILIES TOO JUST IN CASE!!!!! MACHO!!!!!!!
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theres LOTS of people right here in the american south who hate and hope for the collapse/overthrow of our current government, and they ALL have guns, and they are already right here inside our own country!!!! WE HAD BETTER AIRSTRIKE THE SOUTH!!!!!! THEY HAVE GUNS AND DONT LIKE OUR GOVERNMENT!!!!! THEY ARE A THREAT SEND IN THE MARINES!!!!!! KILL THEIR FAMILIES TOO JUST IN CASE!!!!! MACHO!!!!!!!
actually they have made plans for them too.
why else have they built secret pow camps all over america with the capacity to hold millions.
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm
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havn't you heard, they all have flying carpets and at any moment thousands of these soccer mom iraqis will fly over to the states and kill everyone :o ::)
There are estimates that over 200-300 hundred thousand iraqis have been killed, some experts say it can be double or triple that. I doubt america killed just insurgents or "terrorists" or what they like to call collateral only. They must have shot and blew up everyone and anyone with no regard.
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I was gonna post a pic earlier from this vid but f'd it up. Anyway early in the vid there is a dude peeking around the corner with what looks to be an rpg. Either that or its a video camera.
All the way North Korea.
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I was gonna post a pic earlier from this vid but f'd it up. Anyway early in the vid there is a dude peeking around the corner with what looks to be an rpg. Either that or its a video camera.
LOL, I would say there's quite a difference between an RPG and a godamn video camera!!!? wouldn't you ?!!?
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I hope you're writing this in jest, if that was a 'firefight' then I'm the pope, it was 8 or 9 people calmly standing outside of a building, walking talking to each other, WHAT VIDEO WERE YOU WATCHING !?!?
if it was an attack on the apache helicopter it seemed pretty damn docile and calm, so calm in fact I counted ONE weapon (a rifle) which couldn't do anything at all to an attack helicopter armed to the teeth with a laser targeting system... this was murder by a bunch of idiot american soldiers, plain and simple. Straight out murder.
very sad , very true and more common than you think
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Lots of US soldiers over there really are just going in there killing, fucking with, and ruining the lives of totally innocent people.
It's a fact.
Maybe 1% of the people they've killed have been legitamite terrorists. Most weren't even insurgents.
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Good to see Ursus and Berzerk Fury holding it down for the alpha's.... 8)
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You might not believe in God - But he believes in you.
Peace be with you!
Prove God exists. Prove that Jesus is God when Muslims believe in another God and Jews believe in another, and buddhists believe in another. Who it right? Prove it!
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Lots of misinformation in this thread.
By the way its ROE not ROI. Rules of Engagement.
Anyway, all you people talking shit have never served nor no what it means to be in a combat zone, nor have you been over there seeing what its like, so STFU and stop talking out of your ass.
No US soldier, Marine, Sailor, or Airman wants to kill innocents. Not a damn one. But when it comes down to a split second decision and there is weapons involved, it comes down to the choice of wheather you and your friend are gonna walk away, or the other guy and his friend are. And thats it. Decisions have to be made in microseconds, and when your in the thick of it, you don't get to sit and critic a video over and over, you go by what you see in the moment... you hesitate and you can die, and very likely your friends die with you.
Everybody back home wants to sit and critic a decision, you fucks dont know what its like to be in a hostile environment.
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Lots of misinformation in this thread.
By the way its ROE not ROI. Rules of Engagement.
Anyway, all you people talking shit have never served nor no what it means to be in a combat zone, nor have you been over there seeing what its like, so STFU and stop talking out of your ass.
No US soldier, Marine, Sailor, or Airman wants to kill innocents. Not a damn one. But when it comes down to a split second decision and there is weapons involved, it comes down to the choice of wheather you and your friend are gonna walk away, or the other guy and his friend are. And thats it. Decisions have to be made in microseconds, and when your in the thick of it, you don't get to sit and critic a video over and over, you go by what you see in the moment... you hesitate and you can die, and very likely your friends die with you.
Everybody back home wants to sit and critic a decision, you fucks dont know what its like to be in a hostile environment.
split second decision ? it went on for over an hour apparently ::)
the pilots lied about what they saw, they were in no danger at all. yet they couldn't wait to open fire and kill all those innocents, then not content with them, opened fire on a suv full of children and guys simply trying to help the wounded reporter.
your argument is flawed in many many ways.
it saddens me that there are so many here that cannot see this crime for what it was - mass murder.
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Prove God exists. Prove that Jesus is God when Muslims believe in another God and Jews believe in another, and buddhists believe in another. Who it right? Prove it!
The fact we are here is proff God exists.
Without God there is not a thing.
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split second decision ? it went on for over an hour apparently ::)
the pilots lied about what they saw, they were in no danger at all. yet they couldn't wait to open fire and kill all those innocents, then not content with them, opened fire on a suv full of children and guys simply trying to help the wounded reporter.
your argument is flawed in many many ways.
it saddens me that there are so many here that cannot see this crime for what it was - mass murder.
Read into things however you want, you've never been in a combat zone, and youre watching a video long after it happened. You don't know shit. There is a lot different watching a video on your computer monitor than it is in the cockpit of an Apache in the middle of a warzone.
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Read into things however you want, you've never been in a combat zone, and youre watching a video long after it happened. You don't know shit. There is a lot different watching a video on your computer monitor than it is in the cockpit of an Apache in the middle of a warzone.
Are you fucking blind dude!?! watch the video again, where do you see a combat zone !?!! I see a bunch of unarmed (save for one) civilians and photographers walking and talking, then these cowardly americans murder them from an heavily armed attack helicopter..
In case you don't know what an Apache attack helicopter looks like... this vs. 8-10 unarmed civilians...very classy..
(http://www.1stoppostershop.com/products/Impact/Planes/im_AH64ApacheHelicopter.jpg)
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Are you fucking blind dude!?! watch the video again, where do you see a combat zone !?!! I see a bunch of unarmed (save for one) civilians and photographers walking and talking, then these cowardly americans murder them from an heavily armed attack helicopter..
In case you don't know what an Apache attack helicopter looks like... this vs. 8-10 unarmed civilians...very classy..
(http://www.1stoppostershop.com/products/Impact/Planes/im_AH64ApacheHelicopter.jpg)
when you hear people like this whine and bitch like little girls over these "unarmed civilians", who are in actuality enemy combatants
you got to think that anglo's have already given it all away, and will die as pleading cowards when the muslims finally make their play for europe, come in his house, behead him, and rape his wife and daughter
hey, you will be dead, and your wife will be fucked to death by dirty muslim cock............But at least you'll be classy
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Are you fucking blind dude!?! watch the video again, where do you see a combat zone !?!! I see a bunch of unarmed (save for one) civilians and photographers walking and talking, then these cowardly americans murder them from an heavily armed attack helicopter..
In case you don't know what an Apache attack helicopter looks like... this vs. 8-10 unarmed civilians...very classy..
(http://www.1stoppostershop.com/products/Impact/Planes/im_AH64ApacheHelicopter.jpg)
In case I dont know.. Lol.
Im a former US marine. ::)
I know exactly what that chopper is, the protocalls and how things work.
Look, when your in an attack chopper, in what is considered a combat zone, and you spot ARMED men, not belonging to friendly forces, you call it in, and you treat it (rightfully so, theyre fucking armed) as enemy combatants, because if there is one, theyre is usually more....
And get this, theyre in an area where they have to treat everyone like they are going to kill combat.
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BTW, calling soldiers murderers and making it act like they have no feelings is rediculous..
We are trained to attempt to maintain cool and follow orders during combat. Its afterwards the consequences of the actions hit you.
I have a friend (A fellow Marine) Who was involved in OIF1.
Under orders he lit up a Van that tried to run the checkpoint with his SAW.
After the vehicle was stopped they checked the vehicle and there was nothing but a mother, father, and 3 kids.
All that he killed because they didnt stop at the checkpoint and he was under orders. It could have just as easily been a vehicle packed with explosives and had he not shot it up, 50 Marines would be dead.
The man randomly just breaks down crying and is tormented by the things he did calmly and cooly, because its what had to be done at the time.
So to simply call Soldiers, Marines, etc, Murderers, is just as criminal as the senseless killings themselves.
I know very few people who sign up to kill people. They sign up to do there duty, they sign up because they cant get jobs, they sign up to serve their country, etc. (Its not our fault what the politicians have us do 90% of our intentions are honorable.) You guys are just as bad as the people you call warmongers. Just instead of calling Muslims murderers, you call your fellow contryman trying to do there duty murderers..
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In case I dont know.. Lol.
Im a former US marine. ::)
I know exactly what that chopper is, the protocalls and how things work.
Look, when your in an attack chopper, in what is considered a combat zone, and you spot ARMED men, not belonging to friendly forces, you call it in, and you treat it (rightfully so, theyre fucking armed) as enemy combatants, because if there is one, theyre is usually more....
And get this, theyre in an area where they have to treat everyone like they are going to kill combat.
You're right, those two kids in a family minivan were so dangerous, they probably had a nuke hidden in the trunk and were about to detonate it.. ::) ::)
Being a former Marine you should understand some code of ethics or rules of engagement, that was murder plain and simple. How would you feel if someone lined up your parents, grandparents, wife and kids and tore into them with an m60 ?
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LOL @ canadians criticizing the US.......lmao. ;D
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You're right, those two kids in a family minivan were so dangerous, they probably had a nuke hidden in the trunk and were about to detonate it.. ::) ::)
Being a former Marine you should understand some code of ethics or rules of engagement, that was murder plain and simple. How would you feel if someone lined up your parents, grandparents, wife and kids and tore into them with an m60 ?
The problem here is, there were ARMED men in the group, and the enemy uses the civilian populous as human shields and to hide. The pilots of that chopper literally have to treat everyone as if they were armed. Look, we dont ask the enemy to hide behind there civilians. Besides, your entire situational awareness is entirely based on a highly edited video.
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You're right, those two kids in a family minivan were so dangerous, they probably had a nuke hidden in the trunk and were about to detonate it.. ::) ::)
Being a former Marine you should understand some code of ethics or rules of engagement, that was murder plain and simple. How would you feel if someone lined up your parents, grandparents, wife and kids and tore into them with an m60 ?
you couldnt possibly know how you sound.....
do you know anything about insurgent warfare??
that is what they have chosen, they have re-wrote the rules of war by taking the conflict from a clearly defined battlefield, to their own communities
and when you participate in insurgent warfare, and hide within the people of your communities, you , buy the nature of insurgent warfare, are going to take alot of collateral damage in the form of civilian death
they also know how pathetic and liberal, and easily manipulated westerners are, people like you.....so they put their own children in danger, so then when their childeren die, they can use it as propaganda and rally their communities..........if you were a rational grown up, why would you send your children in a van into a warzone that just got shot up by apachee helicoptors to pick up wounded insurgents
there is a reason children were in that van, for propaganda......
where as we in the west would not sacrifice our children for anything, to those savages, the children come second to importance of the holy war they are trying to accomplish
so it means nothing for their children to die, if they can use it for propaganda to make outers join their cause
some of your posts, i cannot believe one person could have such a loose grasp of reality, are yor sure your not retarded?
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The problem here is, there were ARMED men in the group, and the enemy uses the civilian populous as human shields and to hide. The pilots of that chopper literally have to treat everyone as if they were armed. Look, we dont ask the enemy to hide behind there civilians. Besides, your entire situational awareness is entirely based on a highly edited video.
exactly, just what i said in my previous point
they have chosen this type of warfare, where they took the battle to their own communities
western nations have always fought on clearly market battle lines, each side in theri uniform
they turned war on its head, and re-wrote the book.....insurgent war has its benefits, but also has drawbacks
one of the major drawbacks is you put civilians right in the cross hairs
once again though, this is what THEY chose, not us
they purposly hide behind their women and children, so when the women and children die, they can use it for propagands
there was a reason that van had children in it, ......i mean who in their right mind, would send kids on a van mission to pick up wounded combatants from an airstrike
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you couldnt possibly know how you sound.....
do you know anything about insurgent warfare??
that is what they have chosen, they have re-wrote the rules of war by taking the conflict from a clearly defined battlefield, to their own communities
and when you participate in insurgent warfare, and hide within the people of your communities, you , buy the nature of insurgent warfare, are going to take alot of collateral damage in the form of civilian death
they also know how pathetic and liberal, and easily manipulated westerners are, people like you.....so they put their own children in danger, so then when their childeren die, they can use it as propaganda and rally their communities..........if you were a rational grown up, why would you send your children in a van into a warzone that just got shot up by apachee helicoptors to pick up wounded insurgents
there is a reason children were in that van, for propaganda......
where as we in the west would not sacrifice our children for anything, to those savages, the children come second to importance of the holy war they are trying to accomplish
so it means nothing for their children to die, if they can use it for propaganda to make outers join their cause
some of your posts, i cannot believe one person could have such a loose grasp of reality, are yor sure your not retarded?
Really? what would you do in their case, Afghanistan and Iraq are 3rd world countries, literally a bunch of poverty ridden farmers and laborers, you really expect them to have 21st century weapons like the U.S ?!
you think they have special ops forces, 4th generation night vision, nuclear armament or depleted uranium projectiles !?! LOL, half of them are fighting with pitch forks and single shot rifles from the 60's and 70's.. versus a bunch of highly elite trained soldiers with the latest technology and weapons... that's not warfare it's slaughter plain and simple.. you think the people of Afghanistan or Iraq wanted this !??! america brought it to them like usual. Technically I shouldn't even care less because I'm a white European, but some part of me is still human and sees the bullshit for what it is.. how many Americans have died in this siege of Iraq and Afghanistan ?! 100? 150? versus probably 200,000 locals.
By your logic we should see no fault in what the Nazi's did during the war as well, after all the jews and Europe were using the same guerilla/partisan tactics against them.
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they do this every day nothing new..
really brave men of honour :-\
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Really? what would you do in their case, Afghanistan and Iraq are 3rd world countries, literally a bunch of poverty ridden farmers and laborers, you really expect them to have 21st century weapons like the U.S ?!
you think they have special ops forces, 4th generation night vision, nuclear armament or depleted uranium projectiles !?! LOL, half of them are fighting with pitch forks and single shot rifles from the 60's and 70's.. versus a bunch of highly elite trained soldiers with the latest technology and weapons... that's not warfare it's slaughter plain and simple.. you think the people of Afghanistan or Iraq wanted this !??! america brought it to them like usual. Technically I shouldn't even care less because I'm a white European, but some part of me is still human and sees the bullshit for what it is.. how many Americans have died in this siege of Iraq and Afghanistan ?! 100? 150? versus probably 200,000 locals.
By your logic we should see no fault in what the Nazi's did during the war as well, after all the jews and Europe were using the same guerilla/partisan tactics against them.
Pitchforks and single shot rifles? Jesus, you're oblivious. With regards to your "stellar" knowledge of the event this thread is about, try watching the actual video instead of that heavily edited piece of propaganda shit. Wikileaks was keen to edit out the parts with the RPGs, assault rifles (not pitchforks) and other weaponry that these "innocent civilians" were carrying. Then again, you couldn't be bothered to read through the previous link because you had already formulated your opinion based on the condensed piece of propaganda. Wikileaks wins here.
How do you feel about the 10 year old that was found with a suicide vest on last week? AQI, being the innocent peasants that you think they are, saw it fit to load him up with one and send him into a marketplace where there were no USA forces present. They're so innocent! ::)
Though the US could fight on their level. Too bad it would involve spending more time suicide and vehicle bombing marketplaces full of women and children than actually fighting the enemy.
If the US forces were out to murder, why did they provide medical attention to the wounded terrorist that survived it? Why did they not shoot him on the spot? Or did you not catch that on that piece of propaganda?
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Really? what would you do in their case, Afghanistan and Iraq are 3rd world countries, literally a bunch of poverty ridden farmers and laborers, you really expect them to have 21st century weapons like the U.S ?!
you think they have special ops forces, 4th generation night vision, nuclear armament or depleted uranium projectiles !?! LOL, half of them are fighting with pitch forks and single shot rifles from the 60's and 70's.. versus a bunch of highly elite trained soldiers with the latest technology and weapons... that's not warfare it's slaughter plain and simple.. you think the people of Afghanistan or Iraq wanted this !??! america brought it to them like usual. Technically I shouldn't even care less because I'm a white European, but some part of me is still human and sees the bullshit for what it is.. how many Americans have died in this siege of Iraq and Afghanistan ?! 100? 150? versus probably 200,000 locals.
By your logic we should see no fault in what the Nazi's did during the war as well, after all the jews and Europe were using the same guerilla/partisan tactics against them.
Exactly.
US/coalition soldiers are over there like lions in a rabbit cage. Overall it's a pussy war. The strongest nation in the world mopping up a couple poor despots.
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To all who think US military are "murderers", or without a code, or honor.
BTW, calling soldiers murderers and making it act like they have no feelings is rediculous..
We are trained to attempt to maintain cool and follow orders during combat. Its afterwards the consequences of the actions hit you.
I have a friend (A fellow Marine) Who was involved in OIF1.
Under orders he lit up a Van that tried to run the checkpoint with his SAW.
After the vehicle was stopped they checked the vehicle and there was nothing but a mother, father, and 3 kids.
All that he killed because they didnt stop at the checkpoint and he was under orders. It could have just as easily been a vehicle packed with explosives and had he not shot it up, 50 Marines would be dead.
The man randomly just breaks down crying and is tormented by the things he did calmly and cooly, because its what had to be done at the time.
So to simply call Soldiers, Marines, etc, Murderers, is just as criminal as the senseless killings themselves.
I know very few people who sign up to kill people. They sign up to do there duty, they sign up because they cant get jobs, they sign up to serve their country, etc. (Its not our fault what the politicians have us do 90% of our intentions are honorable.) You guys are just as bad as the people you call warmongers. Just instead of calling Muslims murderers, you call your fellow contryman trying to do there duty murderers..
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Nice screencap of a RPG from the actual video.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/343tb0j.jpg)
Looks like a pitchfork and single shot rifle or maybe it's a video camera! ::)
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
Debunks the piece of propaganda that is this Wikileaks video quite nicely.
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Nice screencap of a RPG from the actual video.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/343tb0j.jpg)
Looks like a pitchfork and single shot rifle or even a video camera! ::)
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
Debunks this piece of propaganda quite nicely.
Brutal editing your post.
I find it more refreshing to sit back and laugh at these third world clowns and shitskin instigators than to actually engage them in any kind of debate. These antiAmerican posters should be thankful the US hasn't found oil in their country, yet. ;)
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Brutal editing your post.
I find it more refreshing to sit back and laugh at these third world clowns and shitskin instigators than to actually engage them in any kind of debate. These antiAmerican posters should be thankful the US hasn't found oil in their country, yet. ;)
:D
I find it more amusing (in a sad way) than aggravating.
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Also have to LOL at the fact that these dunecoon supporters are raising a stink about a video that is 3 years old. ;D
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Also have to LOL at the fact that these dunecoon supporters are raising a stink about a video that is 3 years old. ;D
What cracks me up is that they're actually crying about the US using its weaponry to fight, as if we should even the playing field by strapping explosives to our chests and blowing up women and children, or perhaps using civilians as human shields. Maybe we could even start chopping heads off.
Perhaps we should have evened the playing field against the Germans and Japanese by not outproducing, outsmarting and outfighting them. Silly Americans for wanting to win wars. ::)
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What cracks me up is that they're actually crying about the US using its weaponry to fight, as if we should even the playing field by strapping explosives to our chests and blowing up women and children, or perhaps using civilians as human shields. Maybe we could even start chopping heads off.
Perhaps we should have evened the playing field against the Germans and Japanese by not outproducing, outsmarting and outfighting them. Silly Americans for wanting to win wars. ::)
Can you name any good reason to explain how we had any right to invade Iraq?
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Can you name any good reason to explain how we had any right to invade Iraq?
I couldn't care less about getting into a debate over that. However, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, I fully expect US forces to defend themselves from insurgents/terrorists while they're over there. RPGs are more than capable of taking a helicopter down and have even done it a few times.
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Looked good to me. And the radio traffic indicated that the Bradley, called a Brad in the video, was taking fire from the guys at the corner.
All I have to say about the collateral damage is that if the people were allowing them to ambush forces in the neighborhood then when someone gets killed or injured is in no way the US fault.
You wanna cry on their shoulder, by all means go over there and cry on their shoulder, I am sure they will appreciate it up till the time they saw your head off.
Normally, I would support an organization like WikiLeaks, for exposing anonymous submissions and leaks of sensitive governmental, corporate, organizational, or religious documents, while attempting to preserve the anonymity and untraceability of its contributors.
However, WikiLeaks "reporting" leaves much to be desired. There is a definite spin to their release of this video. Their analysis shows bias and is quite inflammatory in the way they portray the actions of the US military.
Watching only the video (the evidence), and disclaiming the official Army line and the WikiLeaks portrayal, I can say that there was no deliberate shooting at known unarmed civilians by US forces. PERIOD. Those that did the shooting had been cleared by higher authority to engage, and that higher authority made its decision based on information provided by troops on the ground and in real time.
Mistakes happen.
If you are running around in a combat zone with nothing that distinguishes you from the combatants, carrying equipment that could easily be mistaken for weaponry (cameras with telephoto lenses), you are playing with fire.
Uber, once again, telling it like it is.
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dont you understand ANYTHING about insurgent warfare.....that is the type of war the muslim extremists decided to carry out. its not like it used to be where two sides wore their different uniforms, and enemy combatants were easily discernible.
these combatants blend in with the public, and their families and communities....... though they miight not be planting IED's or firing ak-47 themselves, they equip, hide, and assist these insurgents. a guy might be a mechanic during the day, then go out an plant explosives during the night
this is the type of war they wanted to fight, and in many cases they try to use our own honor against us, and purposely have their children with them, or purposely carry out attacks from mosques......because idiots like you buy it hook line and sinker
and as far as those people being innocent............ :-\ :-\
Another one who knows what he's talking about. Well done.
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I couldn't care less about getting into a debate over that. However, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, I fully expect US forces to defend themselves from insurgents/terrorists while they're over there. RPGs are more than capable of taking a helicopter down and have even done it a few times.
Too bad not this time :( hopefully some marines get blown up in the next week or two :)
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Too bad not this time :( hopefully some marines get blown up in the next week or two :)
You just come off as a bitter crybaby with comments like that.
Shame you didn't overdose during your years of drug abuse. Oh look, I can be an immature fagg0t too. ::)
I would say something like, "Hopefully more Muslim jihadists die next week." but that's a foregone conclusion. :)
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You just come off as a bitter crybaby with comments like that.
Shame you didn't overdose during your years of drug abuse. Oh look, I can be an immature fagg0t too. ::)
Heh, what's fair is fair.. I believe in karma, those marines acted like cowards and are cold blooded murderers, you're too blinded by your stars and stripes to see that, I don't have anything against the U.S per se, if my country of origin was committing senseless acts of murder I would lash out at them as well.
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Heh, what's fair is fair.. I believe in karma, those marines acted like cowards and are cold blooded murderers, you're too blinded by your stars and stripes to see that, I don't have anything against the U.S per se, if my country of origin was committing senseless acts of murder I would lash out at them as well.
Following proper protocol is cold blooded murder? Funny how you are consistently ignoring anything that refutes your point but hey, you had formulated your opinion long ago. You watched a heavily edited video so it's clear that you know it all.
Can you tell me what's in this guy's hand?
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/BerzerkFury23/343tb0jjpg.gif?t=1270787185)
Is that a video camera? ::)
Any reason why the Wikileaks video has a 20 minute gap?
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The anti-Americanism in this thread -- and on this site -- is really becoming unbearable.
Where the hell do you people live? Do you not enjoy the way of life that comes with living under a Democracy?
Shockwave, don't even waste more of your time responding to these morons. We need more men like you.
War isn't pretty. No one likes seeing anyone get shot to pieces like in the video. But as Bush said, either you're with us, or against us.
I can't believe Ron lets some of you anti-American idiots run your mouth on a forum that is supposed to focus on bodybuilding.
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Lots of US soldiers over there really are just going in there killing, fucking with, and ruining the lives of totally innocent people.
It's a fact.
Maybe 1% of the people they've killed have been legitamite terrorists. Most weren't even insurgents.
Complete and utter lie.
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Too bad not this time :( hopefully some marines get blown up in the next week or two :)
What shithole of a country are you from?
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Why did Wikileaks edit this out of the video they posted?
Can clearly see RPGs and AKs. Can even see what appears to be one of the two reporters right in the thick of it with the insurgents, so much so that he comes off as an insurgent.
But why would an "objective" news organization edit out 20 minutes of a 40 minute video unless they were producing a piece of propaganda trash?
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What shithole of a country are you from?
A hell of a lot better and more refined and cultured then yours yankee doodle.
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I'll ask again. What shithole country are you from?
I was born and live in the U.S.
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A hell of a lot better and more refined and cultured then yours yankee doodle.
Because Canadians aren't over there. ::)
Didn't you live in Vegas for a while? If that's the case, then why waste your time in our country?
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What shithole of a country are you from?
He's hiding behind his computer safely in canada, don't let him fool you, his anger stems from jealousy.
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Complete and utter lie.
Oh I guess you don't remember the U.S soldiers getting prosecuted and jailed after violating a bunch of conditions about 6-7 years ago? it was all over the news.. pictures of piece of shit U.S soldiers forcing iraqi prisoners to sodomize each other or raping their wives ?? oh that's right you must be only watching FOX news..
http://www.alsumaria.tv/en/Iraq-News/1-32077-US-soldier-gets-life-in-prison-for-Iraq-rape.html
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4284838.stm
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/30/1083224527235.html
I could go on and on... but of course it's all muslim propaganda, right ?
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And? So a few soldiers represent the entire military now? Funny, I don't see you crying over all the people who have been beheaded or blown up by these "righteous" fighters. Ahh yes, because they're not American so you couldn't care less. What a pathetic double standard you're playing.
Watching you feign sympathy for these people is sad. ::)
And speaking of Fox News, you're the one coming off as the sheep in this thread. Keep drinking what the MSM is feeding you.
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I could go on and on...
No need. You're on my list. I've got you figured out. Thanks.
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No need. You're on my list. I've got you figured out. Thanks.
Yeah, like you even clicked any of those links... keep on drinking what the military is feeding you :)
blind leading the blind..
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No need. You're on my list. I've got you figured out. Thanks.
Could you PM me your list, I lost mine.
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Yeah, like you even clicked any of those links... keep on drinking what the military is feeding you :)
blind leading the blind..
You couldn't be bothered to read the link I posted so why should anyone bother reading yours? Can't have your cake and eat it too, sheeple. ;)
Were those terrorists who decapitated Nick Berg innocent? How do you feel about a civilian who was building communications towers for the Iraqi people being beheaded and the video of it uploaded on the internet? Ahh yes, he was an American so I'm guessing it's OK in your book.
Funny how those mean old Americans PROSECUTED those American soldiers, though. ::)
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And? So a few soldiers represent the entire military now? Funny, I don't see you crying over all the people who have been beheaded or blown up by these "righteous" fighters. Ahh yes, because they're not American so you couldn't care less. What a pathetic double standard you're playing.
Watching you feign sympathy for these people is sad. ::)
And speaking of Fox News, you're the one coming off as the sheep in this thread. Keep drinking what the MSM is feeding you.
There's no double standard dude, I like most aspects of America and Americans, just shocked at this bullshit fake war.. if my country was invading and placing someone under siege and stealing their resources I would be talking shit about them as well, I already told you. It's not about sides, it's about ethics. I would say it's more then a few soldiers, there's enough news stories of prisoner torture and mistreatment to fill a 1000 pages.
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There's no double standard dude, I like most aspects of America and Americans, just shocked at this bullshit fake war.. if my country was invading and placing someone under siege and stealing their resources I would be talking shit about them as well, I already told you. It's not about sides, it's about ethics. I would say it's more then a few soldiers, there's enough news stories of prisoner torture and mistreatment to fill a 1000 pages.
You keep repeating this and yet you're continually avoiding addressing anything I say. I can't say I'm surprised.
Do you think AQI is acting righteously when they strapped a suicide vest to a 10 year old and sent him into a market to blow himself up last week? Thankfully he was caught before he could murder dozens of innocent people. But I suppose you think that's OK. Well, I think it's more that you couldn't care less because it doesn't involve Americans "murdering reporters in cold blood".
The irony in this whole situation is that no one could care less about the other insurgents that died. God forbid some reporters embed with them and end up getting killed, though. Shit, then it's the end of the world. That alone shows the double standard most of these anti-American clowns are pushing.
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Yeah, like you even clicked any of those links... keep on drinking what the military is feeding you :)
blind leading the blind..
Actually, I read through every one. There really is nothing left to discuss with you. You've chosen your side, I've chosen mine. It's clear no one is changing the other's mind.
Rot in Canada, or wherever you're taking up space.
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You keep repeating this and yet you're continually avoiding addressing anything I say. I can't say I'm surprised.
Do you think AQI is acting righteously when they strapped a suicide vest to a 10 year old and sent him into a market to blow himself up last week? Thankfully he was caught before he could murder dozens of innocent people. But I suppose you think that's OK. Well, it's more that you couldn't care less because it doesn't involve Americans.
You must not be reading my posts and someone else's, I never said I agreed with what AQI or Iraq's or Afghani's or muslim's are doing, I think it's f*cked up, but when it comes down to it, it's guerilla tactics, they obviously can't match the U.S army's strength in numbers and weapons technology.. they're using Russian RPG's and AK's from the 60's and 70's.. what do you really expect them to do !?!? roll over and play dead so you guys can continue you're ilegal invasion ??
Once again I have nothing against Americans or America.. just think this whole situation is bullshit, as does the rest of the civilized world.
You seem to be under the impression that if it's American it's automatically right.. never mind any sense of moral obligation or ethics.
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You must not be reading my posts and someone else's, I never said I agreed with what AQI or Iraq's or Afghani's or muslim's are doing, I think it's f*cked up, but when it comes down to it, it's guerilla tactics, they obviously can't match the U.S army's strength in numbers and weapons technology.. they're using Russian RPG's and AK's from the 60's and 70's.. what do you really expect them to do !?!? roll over and play dead so you guys can continue you're ilegal invasion ??
Once again I have nothing against Americans or America.. just think this whole situation is bullshit, as does the rest of the civilized world.
You seem to be under the impression that if it's American it's automatically right.. never mind any sense of moral obligation or ethics.
So they purposefully use guerilla tactics and then you cry when they get innocent civilians killed while using them? You justify them dressing like normal people and using civilians to their advantage and then you have the gall to complain when they get people killed in the process?
They could avoid a lot of civilian deaths by not using human shields or dressing like everyone else but they do it on purpose. But that's OK to you apparently because you think it's alright for them to do that as it's the only means of fighting us they have. Speaking of that double standard....
You seem to be under the impression that it's OK for Muslims to kill Americans at will but it's the end of the world when reporters embedded with terrorists get killed.
What's their reasoning for blowing up marketplaces full of women and children when there are no Americans within miles? More guerilla tactics? ::)
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So they purposefully use guerilla tactics and then you cry when they get innocent civilians killed in the process? You justify them dressing and using civilians to their advantage and then you have the gall to cry when they get people killed in the process?
They could avoid a lot of civilian deaths by not using human shields or dressing like everyone else but they do it on purpose. But that's OK to you apparently. Speaking of that double standard....
You seem to be under the impression that it's OK for Muslims to kill Americans at will but it's the end of the world when reporters embedded with terrorists get killed.
Are you familiar with Sir Isaac Newton's Third law of motion ??
Every action has a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite ... 'To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction'
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Are you familiar with Sir Isaac Newton's Third law of motion ??
Every action has a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite ... 'To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction'
That's a witty response but you're still not answering any of the questions I asked. Anyway, I've spent much more time arguing this than I intended to.
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That's a witty response but you're still not answering any of the questions I asked. Anyway, I've spent much more time arguing this than I intended to.
I've answered all of your questions and even provided links for the die hard's, I don't agree with muslim's or their religion or their politics, but murder is murder. They're just as fucked up for trying to send in a 10 year old kid strapped to a bomb but at this point it's become a pissing match...who can outdo the other with the more fucked up ways to kill.. You really believe the U.S army is going to publicize some of it's more drastic and inhumane measures !?! maybe you forgot about Agent Orange and Napalm that was used in Vietnam to kill women and children ?
Your 'brave boys' over in Afghanistan are just as big monsters as the Afghani's.. don't forget it.
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I've answered all of your questions and even provided links for the die hard's, I don't agree with muslim's or their religion or their politics, but murder is murder. They're just as fucked up for trying to send in a 10 year old kid strapped to a bomb but at this point it's become a pissing match...who can outdo the other with the more fucked up ways to kill.. You really believe the U.S army is going to publicize some of it's more drastic and inhumane measures !?! maybe you forgot about Agent Orange and Napalm that was used in Vietnam to kill women and children ?
Your 'brave boys' over in Afghanistan are just as big monsters as the Afghani's.. don't forget it.
Not even close but if that helps you sleep at night then so be it. The US military isn't actively targeting civilians while they go out of their way to kill as many as they can. ;)
But I'm sure you'll disagree with that and make some reference to an isolated incident that, when all is said and done, pales in comparison to any of the thousands of incidents carried about by those freedom fighters you love.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/03/17/iyw.afghan.bibi.aisha.cnn
Yup, we're the bad guys. Funny how it's "evil" Americans helping these women out. ::)
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Not even close but if that helps you sleep at night then so be it. The US military isn't actively targeting civilians while they go out of their way to kill as many as they can. ;)
But I'm sure you'll disagree with that and make some reference to an isolated incident that, when all is said and done, pales in comparison to any of the thousands of incidents carried about by those freedom fighters you love.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/03/17/iyw.afghan.bibi.aisha.cnn
Yup, we're the bad guys. Funny how it's "evil" Americans helping these women out. ::)
I have no ties or affiliations to that part of the world or anyone living in it or related to it, most of my friends are European like me, with some Canadians and Americans thrown into the mix, like I said from the start I only brought up points regarding ethics and blatant killing of unarmed civilians that can't defend themselves. You keep repeating how heavily edited this video is, by all means post a link to the original '2' hour firefight you keep insisting happened.
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Too bad not this time :( hopefully some marines get blown up in the next week or two :)
wow...
Would you say the same thing about the Canadian forces in Iraq?
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Read into things however you want, you've never been in a combat zone, and youre watching a video long after it happened. You don't know shit. There is a lot different watching a video on your computer monitor than it is in the cockpit of an Apache in the middle of a warzone.
and you know better than me because you clearly must have been in a cockpit of an apache shooting innocent people from miles away because you felt threatened ?
hahahahahahaahahahahahaa h
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BTW, calling soldiers murderers and making it act like they have no feelings is rediculous..
We are trained to attempt to maintain cool and follow orders during combat. Its afterwards the consequences of the actions hit you.
I have a friend (A fellow Marine) Who was involved in OIF1.
Under orders he lit up a Van that tried to run the checkpoint with his SAW.
After the vehicle was stopped they checked the vehicle and there was nothing but a mother, father, and 3 kids.
All that he killed because they didnt stop at the checkpoint and he was under orders. It could have just as easily been a vehicle packed with explosives and had he not shot it up, 50 Marines would be dead.
The man randomly just breaks down crying and is tormented by the things he did calmly and cooly, because its what had to be done at the time.
So to simply call Soldiers, Marines, etc, Murderers, is just as criminal as the senseless killings themselves.
I know very few people who sign up to kill people. They sign up to do there duty, they sign up because they cant get jobs, they sign up to serve their country, etc. (Its not our fault what the politicians have us do 90% of our intentions are honorable.) You guys are just as bad as the people you call warmongers. Just instead of calling Muslims murderers, you call your fellow contryman trying to do there duty murderers..
i have no problem with what you have described here.
if a van runs through a checkpoint - your friend had every right to shoot.
however this incident is very very different.
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wow...
Would you say the same thing about the Canadian forces in Iraq?
Hell yeah, absolutely.. if a bunch of Canadian soldiers invaded a country and were committing blatant murder.
There is a difference if there is armed opposition or the troops are in a firefight but so far we've seen no evidence of either, and one guard with an antiquated rifle is not a viable threat to an Apache attack helicopter.
go back to the corp and murder some more children you fucking loser.
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Following proper protocol is cold blooded murder? Funny how you are consistently ignoring anything that refutes your point but hey, you had formulated your opinion long ago. You watched a heavily edited video so it's clear that you know it all.
Can you tell me what's in this guy's hand?
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/BerzerkFury23/343tb0jjpg.gif?t=1270787185)
Is that a video camera? ::)
Any reason why the Wikileaks video has a 20 minute gap?
i do not believe that is a rpg. it looks like it was edited to look like that though. ::)
look at the way the guy is swinging it around then leaning on the grenade end ::)
yeah right ::)
Oh I guess you don't remember the U.S soldiers getting prosecuted and jailed after violating a bunch of conditions about 6-7 years ago? it was all over the news.. pictures of piece of shit U.S soldiers forcing iraqi prisoners to sodomize each other or raping their wives ?? oh that's right you must be only watching FOX news..
http://www.alsumaria.tv/en/Iraq-News/1-32077-US-soldier-gets-life-in-prison-for-Iraq-rape.html
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4284838.stm
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/30/1083224527235.html
I could go on and on... but of course it's all muslim propaganda, right ?
good post, but no doubt shockwave et all will respond they were carrying rpg's, machine guns, dirty bombs etc and they were in fact saving the world from these monsters be these actions ::)
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What country do you live in?
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You couldn't be bothered to read the link I posted so why should anyone bother reading yours? Can't have your cake and eat it too, sheeple. ;)
Were those terrorists who decapitated Nick Berg innocent? How do you feel about a civilian who was building communications towers for the Iraqi people being beheaded and the video of it uploaded on the internet? Ahh yes, he was an American so I'm guessing it's OK in your book.
Funny how those mean old Americans PROSECUTED those American soldiers, though. ::)
if the pilots did in fact kill these beheaders then i would be praising them in this thread - unfortunately the didn't. instead they murdered a bunch of innocent joes talking a pleasant stroll through their once beautiful city.
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Not even close but if that helps you sleep at night then so be it. The US military isn't actively targeting civilians while they go out of their way to kill as many as they can. ;)
But I'm sure you'll disagree with that and make some reference to an isolated incident that, when all is said and done, pales in comparison to any of the thousands of incidents carried about by those freedom fighters you love.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/03/17/iyw.afghan.bibi.aisha.cnn
Yup, we're the bad guys. Funny how it's "evil" Americans helping these women out. ::)
According to these people Americans troops have been indiscriminately targeting civilians. Not isolated incidents either.
http://www.truthout.org/iraq-war-vet-we-were-told-just-shoot-people-and-officers-would-take-care-us58378 (http://www.truthout.org/iraq-war-vet-we-were-told-just-shoot-people-and-officers-would-take-care-us58378)
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Following proper protocol is cold blooded murder? Funny how you are consistently ignoring anything that refutes your point but hey, you had formulated your opinion long ago. You watched a heavily edited video so it's clear that you know it all.
Can you tell me what's in this guy's hand?
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/BerzerkFury23/343tb0jjpg.gif?t=1270787185)
Is that a video camera? ::)
Any reason why the Wikileaks video has a 20 minute gap?
ROCKET PROPELLED GRENADE, to make it clear for the dummies here.
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Too bad not this time :( hopefully some marines get blown up in the next week or two :)
go fuck yourself.
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ROCKET PROPELLED GRENADE, to make it clear for the dummies here.
QFT....haha, funny how all these "experts" on combat have only learned it from playing video games and what their limp-wristed college professors who were too big of cowards to serve either, have told them....
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QFT....haha, funny how all these "experts" on combat have only learned it from playing video games and what their limp-wristed college professors who were too big of cowards to serve either, have told them....
+1
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Hell yeah, absolutely.. if a bunch of Canadian soldiers invaded a country and were committing blatant murder.
There is a difference if there is armed opposition or the troops are in a firefight but so far we've seen no evidence of either, and one guard with an antiquated rifle is not a viable threat to an Apache attack helicopter.
go back to the corp and murder some more children you fucking loser.
wow.. Because I volunteered to serve my country automatically makes me a child killer? What a truely sad, pathetic individual you must be. What, did a marine steal your wife or something? Or did yu get rejected for military service?
Some of my fellow marines are some of the most honorable people I know. Like anything you have your shitheads, but they're few and far between.
I'd tell you the story of one of my buddies who stopped a youn Iraqi boy from getting raped by an older Iraqi man, but yiud probably just say he was trying to kill the kid, or show you the pics of all the children sitting on the humvees gettin water and rations of food. Or the doWns of pictures showing happy Iraqis welcoming the marines with open arms. But I know you'd just ignore those too. :-\
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wow.. Because I volunteered to serve my country automatically makes me a child killer? What a truely sad, pathetic individual you must be. What, did a marine steal your wife or something? Or did yu get rejected for military service?
Some of my fellow marines are some of the most honorable people I know. Like anything you have your shitheads, but they're few and far between.
I'd tell you the story of one of my buddies who stopped a youn Iraqi boy from getting raped by an older Iraqi man, but yiud probably just say he was trying to kill the kid, or show you the pics of all the children sitting on the humvees gettin water and rations of food. Or the doWns of pictures showing happy Iraqis welcoming the marines with open arms. But I know you'd just ignore those too. :-\
it is clear from your posts you are biased as you served.
any clear minded individual would admit/see that that was cold bloodied murder.
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it is clear from your posts you are biased as you served.
any clear minded individual would admit/see that that was cold bloodied murder.
damn right I'm biased. Look you automatically think they're murderers. That is why your brain sees cameras instead of RPGs, and innocents instead of combaants. Look no one on their right mind is going to send children into a combat zone to pick up the wounded. That was a purposeful event, it's a win win situation fo them. Either way we look bad. We don't choose for them to mix in with civilians, they're cowards and that's why thy do that. They hide behind their innocents.
For the record, I don't agree with the reasons for the war. But my opinions aside, they did everthing properly. Saw weapons, called it in, Bradley under fire, engage. Your entire arument is based on the fact that you think they have cameras, not RPGs. An ::) your watching a blurry gun cam from an apache. You have no right to try and judge them.
You weren't there, you have no training, you are wathin an edited video. It's like me watching a Eddie van valen video from the nosebleed section and trying to critic his fingering.
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it is clear from your posts you are biased as you served.
any clear minded individual would admit/see that that was cold bloodied murder.
You're doing a pretty good job trolling this thread. Guess you need to stay on Team Muslim Jihadist's good side as they're pretty much the only people who defend you on here.
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You're doing a pretty good job trolling this thread. Guess you need to stay on Team Muslim Jihadist's good side as they're pretty much the only people who defend you on here.
i thought Tubby McSausagefingers was a buddhist? ::)
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Oh, and also for the record, I know mistakes happen and horrible mistakes occur. But in this case, you guys are wrong. The enemy knows how to win this kind of war, and it's public opinion. If you guys don't think they engineer this kind of shit to pray on the support of the American idealist (and the rest of the world), well that just proves you guys truely know nothing.
They want the world to think were monsters, so Rey manufacture scenarios in which to get us to kill what looks like civilians, because they know we play by the rules. They don't.
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You're doing a pretty good job trolling this thread. Guess you need to stay on Team Muslim Jihadist's good side as they're pretty much the only people who defend you on here.
i'm a man. i need no defenders nor help in stating my beliefs. ::)
i thought Tubby McSausagefingers was a buddhist? ::)
i am a buddhist - i don't know about this mcsausagefingers though :-\
shockwave - how do you know the innocents in the van where enemy combatants? maybe they were simply on their way to a soccer game, saw bloodied figures lying around and simply tried to help - before being slaughtered for being 'an enemy combatant'.
what defines an enemy combatant by the way ? by your posts it seems every man, woman and child in iraq and afgani is one ??? don't you see why you are not impartial.
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QFT....haha, funny how all these "experts" on combat have only learned it from playing video games and what their limp-wristed college professors who were too big of cowards to serve either, have told them....
i dont play video games dickhead. we all know what an rpg looks like and that is one. i have many teachers and family in the military or have served, i dont talk without knowing.
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i dont play video games dickhead. we all know what an rpg looks like and that is one. i have many teachers and family in the military or have served, i dont talk without knowing.
Easy stud, I was agreeing with you....hence the QFT comment.....but I've been called worse. ;D
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i'm a man. i need no defenders nor help in stating my beliefs. ::)
i am a buddhist - i don't know about this mcsausagefingers though :-\
shockwave - how do you know the innocents in the van where enemy combatants? maybe they were simply on their way to a soccer game, saw bloodied figures lying around and simply tried to help - before being slaughtered for being 'an enemy combatant'.
what defines an enemy combatMant by the way ? by your posts it seems every man, woman and child in iraq and afgani is one ??? don't you see why you are not impartial.
You do realize how ludicrous that sounds, right
you do realize how ludicrous your scenario is, right? War is loud. Those cannons are loud. No way people are just rolling around while 30 mm machine guns are going off and aks are chattering. That shit is heard for miles. Let me put it to you this way, your sitting there, in a warzone, you hear a bunch of off, are you going to drive over where you hear the fire with your little kids in the back, and try and help wounded people carrying weapons? Of course not. That's asking to get shot. It was a deliberate move one their part, IMHO.
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you do realize how ludicrous your scenario is, right? War is loud. Those cannons are loud. No way people are just rolling around while 30 mm machine guns are going off and aks are chattering. That shit is heard for miles. Let me put it to you this way, your sitting there, in a warzone, you hear a bunch of off, are you going to drive over where you hear the fire with your little kids in the back, and try and help wounded people carrying weapons? Of course not. That's asking to get shot. It was a deliberate move one their part, IMHO.
maybe they just had britney spiers blasting on the van stereo ???
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you do realize how ludicrous your scenario is, right? War is loud. Those cannons are loud. No way people are just rolling around while 30 mm machine guns are going off and aks are chattering. That shit is heard for miles. Let me put it to you this way, your sitting there, in a warzone, you hear a bunch of off, are you going to drive over where you hear the fire with your little kids in the back, and try and help wounded people carrying weapons? Of course not. That's asking to get shot. It was a deliberate move one their part, IMHO.
You guys keep saying this is a heavily edited video, I want to see the full unedited thing, if you're right I'll take back everything I said, but at this point it still looks like senseless slaughter, I can apreciate war for what it is, but not genocide man, that's just some cold ass shit.
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You guys keep saying this is a heavily edited video, I want to see the full unedited thing, if you're right I'll take back everything I said, but at this point it still looks like senseless slaughter, I can apreciate war for what it is, but not genocide man, that's just some cold ass shit.
im sure they would appreciate your sympathy, perhaps you can over a lend a voice of support and unity with the fallen al quida brothers
just try not to end up like this guy...
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im sure they would appreciate your sympathy, perhaps you can over a lend a voice of support and unity with the fallen al quida brothers
just try not to end up like this guy...
Bro I never said I'm on their side, I'm a white man from Europe with pure European blood, I am not muslim nor have any muslim or indian/pakistani/iraqi friends... that vid is just as fucked up as what those marines did, it's cold murder... it feels like no one can see past the bullshit here and everyone thinks I'm anti American or something.. I think what those Marines did was wrong, did I overreact earlier? probably.. no I don't wish death on them, becauase I'm technically North American so they are more my brethren then anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan.. Wish we could see the full video
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Bro I never said I'm on their side, I'm a white man from Europe with pure European blood, I am not muslim nor have any muslim or indian/pakistani/iraqi friends... that vid is just as fucked up as what those marines did, it's cold murder... it feels like no one can see past the bullshit here and everyone thinks I'm anti American or something.. I think what those Marines did was wrong, did I overreact earlier? probably.. no I don't wish death on them, becauase I'm technically North American so they are more my brethren then anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan.. Wish we could see the full video
Have all the opnions you want, but to wish death on Marines in the next incident, or whatever you said, is pure garbage. Even if these guys were in the wrong, why wish death on other Marines who are just doing their job?
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Have all the opnions you want, but to wish death on Marines in the next incident, or whatever you said, is pure garbage. Even if these guys were in the wrong, why wish death on other Marines who are just doing their job?
it is also pure garbage to make excuses for cold bloodied murderers.