Is this old news?

[Captain Equipoise]

Not even close but if that helps you sleep at night then so be it. The US military isn't actively targeting civilians while they go out of their way to kill as many as they can.  

But I'm sure you'll disagree with that and make some reference to an isolated incident that, when all is said and done, pales in comparison to any of the thousands of incidents carried about by those freedom fighters you love.



http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/03/17/iyw.afghan.bibi.aisha.cnn

Yup, we're the bad guys. Funny how it's "evil" Americans helping these women out.

I have no ties or affiliations to that part of the world or anyone living in it or related to it, most of my friends are European like me, with some Canadians and Americans thrown into the mix, like I said from the start I only brought up points regarding ethics and blatant killing of unarmed civilians that can't defend themselves. You keep repeating how heavily edited this video is, by all means post a link to the original '2' hour firefight you keep insisting happened.

[Shockwave]

Too bad not this time   hopefully some marines get blown up in the next week or two

wow...
 Would you say the same thing about the Canadian forces in Iraq?

[Fatpanda]

Read into things however you want, you've never been in a combat zone, and youre watching a video long after it happened. You don't know shit. There is a lot different watching a video on your computer monitor than it is in the cockpit of an Apache in the middle of a warzone.

and you know better than me because you clearly must have been in a cockpit of an apache shooting innocent people from miles away because you felt threatened ?

hahahahahahaahahahahahaa h

[Fatpanda]

BTW, calling soldiers murderers and making it act like they have no feelings is rediculous..
We are trained to attempt to maintain cool and follow orders during combat. Its afterwards the consequences of the actions hit you.
I have a friend (A fellow Marine) Who was involved in OIF1.
Under orders he lit up a Van that tried to run the checkpoint with his SAW.
After the vehicle was stopped they checked the vehicle and there was nothing but a mother, father, and 3 kids.

All that he killed because they didnt stop at the checkpoint and he was under orders. It could have just as easily been a vehicle packed with explosives and had he not shot it up, 50 Marines would be dead.

The man randomly just breaks down crying and is tormented by the things he did calmly and cooly, because its what had to be done at the time.

So to simply call Soldiers, Marines, etc, Murderers, is just as criminal as the senseless killings themselves.

I know very few people who sign up to kill people. They sign up to do there duty, they sign up because they cant get jobs, they sign up to serve their country, etc. (Its not our fault what the politicians have us do 90% of our intentions are honorable.) You guys are just as bad as the people you call warmongers. Just instead of calling Muslims murderers, you call your fellow contryman trying to do there duty murderers..

i have no problem with what you have described here.

if a van runs through a checkpoint - your friend had every right to shoot.

however this incident is very very different.

[Captain Equipoise]

wow...
 Would you say the same thing about the Canadian forces in Iraq?

Hell yeah, absolutely.. if a bunch of Canadian soldiers invaded a country and were committing blatant murder.

There is a difference if there is armed opposition or the troops are in a firefight but so far we've seen no evidence of either, and one guard with an antiquated rifle is not a viable threat to an Apache attack helicopter.

go back to the corp and murder some more children you fucking loser.

[Fatpanda]

Following proper protocol is cold blooded murder? Funny how you are consistently ignoring anything that refutes your point but hey, you had formulated your opinion long ago. You watched a heavily edited video so it's clear that you know it all.

Can you tell me what's in this guy's hand?



Is that a video camera?  


Any reason why the Wikileaks video has a 20 minute gap?

i do not believe that is a rpg. it looks like it was edited to look like that though.  

look at the way the guy is swinging it around then leaning on the grenade end  

yeah right  

Oh I guess you don't remember the U.S soldiers getting prosecuted and jailed after violating a bunch of conditions about 6-7 years ago? it was all over the news.. pictures of piece of shit U.S soldiers forcing iraqi prisoners to sodomize each other or raping their wives ?? oh that's right you must be only watching FOX news..

http://www.alsumaria.tv/en/Iraq-News/1-32077-US-soldier-gets-life-in-prison-for-Iraq-rape.html

http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4284838.stm

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/30/1083224527235.html

I could go on and on... but of course it's all muslim propaganda, right ?

good post, but no doubt shockwave et all will respond they were carrying rpg's, machine guns, dirty bombs etc and they were in fact saving the world from these monsters be these actions  

[MP]

What country do you live in?

[Fatpanda]

You couldn't be bothered to read the link I posted so why should anyone bother reading yours? Can't have your cake and eat it too, sheeple.  

Were those terrorists who decapitated Nick Berg innocent? How do you feel about a civilian who was building communications towers for the Iraqi people being beheaded and the video of it uploaded on the internet? Ahh yes, he was an American so I'm guessing it's OK in your book.

Funny how those mean old Americans PROSECUTED those American soldiers, though.  

if the pilots did in fact kill these beheaders then i would be praising them in this thread - unfortunately the didn't. instead they murdered a bunch of innocent joes talking a pleasant stroll through their once beautiful city.

[Skeeter]

Not even close but if that helps you sleep at night then so be it. The US military isn't actively targeting civilians while they go out of their way to kill as many as they can.  

But I'm sure you'll disagree with that and make some reference to an isolated incident that, when all is said and done, pales in comparison to any of the thousands of incidents carried about by those freedom fighters you love.



http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/03/17/iyw.afghan.bibi.aisha.cnn

Yup, we're the bad guys. Funny how it's "evil" Americans helping these women out.

According to these people Americans troops have been indiscriminately targeting civilians. Not isolated incidents either.

http://www.truthout.org/iraq-war-vet-we-were-told-just-shoot-people-and-officers-would-take-care-us58378

[delta9mda]

Following proper protocol is cold blooded murder? Funny how you are consistently ignoring anything that refutes your point but hey, you had formulated your opinion long ago. You watched a heavily edited video so it's clear that you know it all.

Can you tell me what's in this guy's hand?



Is that a video camera?  


Any reason why the Wikileaks video has a 20 minute gap?

ROCKET PROPELLED GRENADE,  to make it clear for the dummies here.

[delta9mda]

Too bad not this time   hopefully some marines get blown up in the next week or two

go fuck yourself.

[The Showstoppa]

ROCKET PROPELLED GRENADE,  to make it clear for the dummies here.

QFT....haha, funny how all these "experts" on combat have only learned it from playing video games and what their limp-wristed college professors who were too big of cowards to serve either, have told them....

[Shockwave]

QFT....haha, funny how all these "experts" on combat have only learned it from playing video games and what their limp-wristed college professors who were too big of cowards to serve either, have told them....

+1

[Shockwave]

Hell yeah, absolutely.. if a bunch of Canadian soldiers invaded a country and were committing blatant murder.

There is a difference if there is armed opposition or the troops are in a firefight but so far we've seen no evidence of either, and one guard with an antiquated rifle is not a viable threat to an Apache attack helicopter.

go back to the corp and murder some more children you fucking loser.

wow.. Because I volunteered to serve my country automatically makes me a child killer? What a truely sad, pathetic individual you must be. What, did a marine steal your wife or something? Or did yu get rejected for military service?

Some of my fellow marines are some of the most honorable people I know. Like anything you have your shitheads, but they're few and far between.
I'd tell you the story of one of my buddies who stopped a youn Iraqi boy from getting raped by an older Iraqi man, but yiud probably just say he was trying to kill the kid, or show you the pics of all the children sitting on the humvees gettin water and rations of food. Or the doWns of pictures showing happy Iraqis welcoming the marines with open arms. But I know you'd just ignore those too. 

[Fatpanda]

wow.. Because I volunteered to serve my country automatically makes me a child killer? What a truely sad, pathetic individual you must be. What, did a marine steal your wife or something? Or did yu get rejected for military service?

Some of my fellow marines are some of the most honorable people I know. Like anything you have your shitheads, but they're few and far between.
I'd tell you the story of one of my buddies who stopped a youn Iraqi boy from getting raped by an older Iraqi man, but yiud probably just say he was trying to kill the kid, or show you the pics of all the children sitting on the humvees gettin water and rations of food. Or the doWns of pictures showing happy Iraqis welcoming the marines with open arms. But I know you'd just ignore those too. 

it is clear from your posts you are biased as you served.

any clear minded individual would admit/see that that was cold bloodied murder.

[Shockwave]

it is clear from your posts you are biased as you served.

any clear minded individual would admit/see that that was cold bloodied murder.

damn right I'm biased. Look you automatically think they're murderers. That is why your brain sees cameras instead of RPGs, and innocents instead of combaants. Look no one on their right mind is going to send children into a combat zone to pick up the wounded. That was a purposeful event, it's a win win situation fo them. Either way we look bad. We don't choose for them to mix in with civilians, they're cowards and that's why thy do that. They hide behind their innocents.

For the record, I don't agree with the reasons for the war. But my opinions aside, they did everthing properly. Saw weapons, called it in, Bradley under fire, engage. Your entire arument is based on the fact that you think they have cameras, not RPGs. An your watching a blurry gun cam from an apache. You have no right to try and judge them.

You weren't there, you have no training, you are wathin an edited video. It's like me watching a Eddie van valen video from the nosebleed section and trying to critic his fingering.

[Fury]

it is clear from your posts you are biased as you served.

any clear minded individual would admit/see that that was cold bloodied murder.

You're doing a pretty good job trolling this thread. Guess you need to stay on Team Muslim Jihadist's good side as they're pretty much the only people who defend you on here.

[The Showstoppa]

You're doing a pretty good job trolling this thread. Guess you need to stay on Team Muslim Jihadist's good side as they're pretty much the only people who defend you on here.

i thought Tubby McSausagefingers was a buddhist? 

[Shockwave]

Oh, and also for the record, I know mistakes happen and horrible mistakes occur. But in this case, you guys are wrong. The enemy knows how to win this kind of war, and it's public opinion. If you guys don't think they engineer this kind of shit to pray on the support of the American idealist (and the rest of the world), well that just proves you guys truely know nothing.

They want the world to think were monsters, so Rey manufacture scenarios in which to get us to kill what looks like civilians, because they know we play by the rules. They don't.

[Fatpanda]

You're doing a pretty good job trolling this thread. Guess you need to stay on Team Muslim Jihadist's good side as they're pretty much the only people who defend you on here.

i'm a man. i need no defenders nor help in stating my beliefs. 

i thought Tubby McSausagefingers was a buddhist? 

i am a buddhist - i don't know about this mcsausagefingers though 

shockwave - how do you know the innocents in the van where enemy combatants? maybe they were simply on their way to a soccer game, saw bloodied figures lying around and simply tried to help - before being slaughtered for being 'an enemy combatant'.

what defines an enemy combatant by the way ? by your posts it seems every man, woman and child in iraq and afgani is one  don't you see why you are not impartial.

[delta9mda]

QFT....haha, funny how all these "experts" on combat have only learned it from playing video games and what their limp-wristed college professors who were too big of cowards to serve either, have told them....

i dont play video games dickhead. we all know what an rpg looks like and that is one. i have many teachers and family in the military or have served, i dont talk without knowing.

[The Showstoppa]

i dont play video games dickhead. we all know what an rpg looks like and that is one. i have many teachers and family in the military or have served, i dont talk without knowing.

Easy stud, I was agreeing with you....hence the QFT comment.....but I've been called worse. 

[Shockwave]

i'm a man. i need no defenders nor help in stating my beliefs. 

i am a buddhist - i don't know about this mcsausagefingers though 

shockwave - how do you know the innocents in the van where enemy combatants? maybe they were simply on their way to a soccer game, saw bloodied figures lying around and simply tried to help - before being slaughtered for being 'an enemy combatant'.

what defines an enemy combatMant by the way ? by your posts it seems every man, woman and child in iraq and afgani is one  don't you see why you are not impartial.
You do realize how ludicrous that sounds, right

you do realize how ludicrous your scenario is, right? War is loud. Those cannons are loud. No way people are just rolling around while 30 mm machine guns are going off and aks are chattering. That shit is heard for miles. Let me put it to you this way, your sitting there, in a warzone, you hear a bunch of off, are you going to drive over where you hear the fire with your little kids in the back, and try and help wounded people carrying weapons? Of course not. That's asking to get shot. It was a deliberate move one their part, IMHO.

[Fatpanda]

you do realize how ludicrous your scenario is, right? War is loud. Those cannons are loud. No way people are just rolling around while 30 mm machine guns are going off and aks are chattering. That shit is heard for miles. Let me put it to you this way, your sitting there, in a warzone, you hear a bunch of off, are you going to drive over where you hear the fire with your little kids in the back, and try and help wounded people carrying weapons? Of course not. That's asking to get shot. It was a deliberate move one their part, IMHO.

maybe they just had britney spiers blasting on the van stereo 

[Captain Equipoise]

you do realize how ludicrous your scenario is, right? War is loud. Those cannons are loud. No way people are just rolling around while 30 mm machine guns are going off and aks are chattering. That shit is heard for miles. Let me put it to you this way, your sitting there, in a warzone, you hear a bunch of off, are you going to drive over where you hear the fire with your little kids in the back, and try and help wounded people carrying weapons? Of course not. That's asking to get shot. It was a deliberate move one their part, IMHO.

You guys keep saying this is a heavily edited video, I want to see the full unedited thing, if you're right I'll take back everything I said, but at this point it still looks like senseless slaughter, I can apreciate war for what it is, but not genocide man, that's just some cold ass shit.