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[Captain Equipoise]

Read into things however you want, you've never been in a combat zone, and youre watching a video long after it happened. You don't know shit. There is a lot different watching a video on your computer monitor than it is in the cockpit of an Apache in the middle of a warzone.

Are you fucking blind dude!?! watch the video again,  where do you see a combat zone !?!! I see a bunch of unarmed (save for one) civilians and photographers walking and talking, then these cowardly americans murder them from an heavily armed attack helicopter..

In case you don't know what an Apache attack helicopter looks like... this vs. 8-10 unarmed civilians...very classy..

[~UN_$ung~]

Are you fucking blind dude!?! watch the video again,  where do you see a combat zone !?!! I see a bunch of unarmed (save for one) civilians and photographers walking and talking, then these cowardly americans murder them from an heavily armed attack helicopter..

In case you don't know what an Apache attack helicopter looks like... this vs. 8-10 unarmed civilians...very classy..

when you hear people like this whine and bitch like little girls over these "unarmed civilians", who are in actuality enemy combatants

you got to think that anglo's have already given it all away, and will die as pleading cowards when the muslims finally make their play for europe, come in his house, behead him, and rape his wife and daughter

hey, you will be dead, and your wife will be fucked to death by dirty muslim cock............But at least you'll be classy

[Shockwave]

Are you fucking blind dude!?! watch the video again,  where do you see a combat zone !?!! I see a bunch of unarmed (save for one) civilians and photographers walking and talking, then these cowardly americans murder them from an heavily armed attack helicopter..

In case you don't know what an Apache attack helicopter looks like... this vs. 8-10 unarmed civilians...very classy..

In case I dont know.. Lol.
Im a former US marine. 
I know exactly what that chopper is, the protocalls and how things work.
Look, when your in an attack chopper, in what is considered a combat zone, and you spot ARMED men, not belonging to friendly forces, you call it in, and you treat it (rightfully so, theyre fucking armed) as enemy combatants, because if there is one, theyre is usually more....

And get this, theyre in an area where they have to treat everyone like they are going to kill combat.

[Shockwave]

BTW, calling soldiers murderers and making it act like they have no feelings is rediculous..
We are trained to attempt to maintain cool and follow orders during combat. Its afterwards the consequences of the actions hit you.
I have a friend (A fellow Marine) Who was involved in OIF1.
Under orders he lit up a Van that tried to run the checkpoint with his SAW.
After the vehicle was stopped they checked the vehicle and there was nothing but a mother, father, and 3 kids.

All that he killed because they didnt stop at the checkpoint and he was under orders. It could have just as easily been a vehicle packed with explosives and had he not shot it up, 50 Marines would be dead.

The man randomly just breaks down crying and is tormented by the things he did calmly and cooly, because its what had to be done at the time.

So to simply call Soldiers, Marines, etc, Murderers, is just as criminal as the senseless killings themselves.

I know very few people who sign up to kill people. They sign up to do there duty, they sign up because they cant get jobs, they sign up to serve their country, etc. (Its not our fault what the politicians have us do 90% of our intentions are honorable.) You guys are just as bad as the people you call warmongers. Just instead of calling Muslims murderers, you call your fellow contryman trying to do there duty murderers..

[Captain Equipoise]

In case I dont know.. Lol.
Im a former US marine. 
I know exactly what that chopper is, the protocalls and how things work.
Look, when your in an attack chopper, in what is considered a combat zone, and you spot ARMED men, not belonging to friendly forces, you call it in, and you treat it (rightfully so, theyre fucking armed) as enemy combatants, because if there is one, theyre is usually more....

And get this, theyre in an area where they have to treat everyone like they are going to kill combat.

You're right, those two kids in a family minivan were so dangerous, they probably had a nuke hidden in the trunk and were about to detonate it..  

Being a former Marine you should understand some code of ethics or rules of engagement, that was murder plain and simple. How would you feel if someone lined up your parents, grandparents, wife and kids and tore into them with an m60 ?

[chaos]

LOL @ canadians criticizing the US.......lmao.

[Shockwave]

You're right, those two kids in a family minivan were so dangerous, they probably had a nuke hidden in the trunk and were about to detonate it..  

Being a former Marine you should understand some code of ethics or rules of engagement, that was murder plain and simple. How would you feel if someone lined up your parents, grandparents, wife and kids and tore into them with an m60 ?

The problem here is, there were ARMED men in the group, and the enemy uses the civilian populous as human shields and to hide. The pilots of that chopper literally have to treat everyone as if they were armed. Look, we dont ask the enemy to hide behind there civilians. Besides, your entire situational awareness is entirely based on a highly edited video.

[~UN_$ung~]

You're right, those two kids in a family minivan were so dangerous, they probably had a nuke hidden in the trunk and were about to detonate it..  

Being a former Marine you should understand some code of ethics or rules of engagement, that was murder plain and simple. How would you feel if someone lined up your parents, grandparents, wife and kids and tore into them with an m60 ?

you couldnt possibly know how you sound.....

do you know anything about insurgent warfare??

that  is what they have chosen, they have re-wrote the rules of war by taking the conflict from a clearly defined battlefield, to their own communities

and when you participate in insurgent warfare, and hide within the people of your communities, you , buy the nature of insurgent warfare, are going to take alot of collateral damage in the form of civilian death

they also know how pathetic and liberal, and easily manipulated westerners are, people like you.....so they put their own children in danger, so then when their childeren die, they can use it as propaganda and rally their communities..........if you were a rational grown up, why would you send your children in a van into a warzone that just got shot up by apachee helicoptors to  pick up wounded insurgents

there is a reason children were in that van, for propaganda......

where as we in the west would not sacrifice our children for anything, to those savages, the children come second to importance of the holy war they are trying to accomplish
so it means nothing for their children to die, if they can use it for propaganda to make outers join their cause


some of your posts, i cannot believe one person could have such a loose grasp of reality, are yor sure your not retarded?

[~UN_$ung~]

The problem here is, there were ARMED men in the group, and the enemy uses the civilian populous as human shields and to hide. The pilots of that chopper literally have to treat everyone as if they were armed. Look, we dont ask the enemy to hide behind there civilians. Besides, your entire situational awareness is entirely based on a highly edited video.

exactly, just what i said in my previous point

they have chosen this type of warfare, where they took the battle to their own communities

western nations have always fought on clearly market battle lines, each side in theri uniform

they turned war on its head, and re-wrote the book.....insurgent war has its benefits, but also has drawbacks

one of the major drawbacks is you put civilians right in the cross hairs

once again though, this is what THEY chose, not us

they purposly hide behind  their women and children, so when the women and children die, they can use it for propagands

there was a reason that van had children in it, ......i mean  who in their right mind, would send kids  on a van mission to pick up wounded combatants from an airstrike

[Captain Equipoise]

you couldnt possibly know how you sound.....

do you know anything about insurgent warfare??

that  is what they have chosen, they have re-wrote the rules of war by taking the conflict from a clearly defined battlefield, to their own communities

and when you participate in insurgent warfare, and hide within the people of your communities, you , buy the nature of insurgent warfare, are going to take alot of collateral damage in the form of civilian death

they also know how pathetic and liberal, and easily manipulated westerners are, people like you.....so they put their own children in danger, so then when their childeren die, they can use it as propaganda and rally their communities..........if you were a rational grown up, why would you send your children in a van into a warzone that just got shot up by apachee helicoptors to  pick up wounded insurgents

there is a reason children were in that van, for propaganda......

where as we in the west would not sacrifice our children for anything, to those savages, the children come second to importance of the holy war they are trying to accomplish
so it means nothing for their children to die, if they can use it for propaganda to make outers join their cause


some of your posts, i cannot believe one person could have such a loose grasp of reality, are yor sure your not retarded?

Really? what would you do in their case, Afghanistan and Iraq are 3rd world countries, literally a bunch of poverty ridden farmers and laborers, you really expect them to have 21st century weapons like the U.S ?!
you think they have special ops forces, 4th generation night vision, nuclear armament or depleted uranium projectiles !?!  LOL, half of them are fighting with pitch forks and single shot rifles from the 60's and 70's.. versus a bunch of highly elite trained soldiers with the latest technology and weapons... that's not warfare it's slaughter plain and simple.. you think the people of Afghanistan or Iraq wanted this !??! america brought it to them like usual. Technically I shouldn't even care less because I'm a white European, but some part of me is still human and sees the bullshit for what it is.. how many Americans have died in this siege of Iraq and Afghanistan ?! 100? 150?  versus probably 200,000 locals.

By your logic we should see no fault in what the Nazi's did during the war as well, after all the jews and Europe were using the same guerilla/partisan tactics against them.

[Sherief Shalaby]

they do this every day nothing new..

really brave men of honour

[Fury]

Really? what would you do in their case, Afghanistan and Iraq are 3rd world countries, literally a bunch of poverty ridden farmers and laborers, you really expect them to have 21st century weapons like the U.S ?!
you think they have special ops forces, 4th generation night vision, nuclear armament or depleted uranium projectiles !?!  LOL, half of them are fighting with pitch forks and single shot rifles from the 60's and 70's.. versus a bunch of highly elite trained soldiers with the latest technology and weapons... that's not warfare it's slaughter plain and simple.. you think the people of Afghanistan or Iraq wanted this !??! america brought it to them like usual. Technically I shouldn't even care less because I'm a white European, but some part of me is still human and sees the bullshit for what it is.. how many Americans have died in this siege of Iraq and Afghanistan ?! 100? 150?  versus probably 200,000 locals.

By your logic we should see no fault in what the Nazi's did during the war as well, after all the jews and Europe were using the same guerilla/partisan tactics against them.

Pitchforks and single shot rifles? Jesus, you're oblivious. With regards to your "stellar" knowledge of the event this thread is about, try watching the actual video instead of that heavily edited piece of propaganda shit. Wikileaks was keen to edit out the parts with the RPGs, assault rifles (not pitchforks) and other weaponry that these "innocent civilians" were carrying. Then again, you couldn't be bothered to read through the previous link because you had already formulated your opinion based on the condensed piece of propaganda. Wikileaks wins here.

How do you feel about the 10 year old that was found with a suicide vest on last week? AQI, being the innocent peasants that you think they are, saw it fit to load him up with one and send him into a marketplace where there were no USA forces present. They're so innocent!  

Though the US could fight on their level. Too bad it would involve spending more time suicide and vehicle bombing marketplaces full of women and children than actually fighting the enemy.




If the US forces were out to murder, why did they provide medical attention to the wounded terrorist that survived it? Why did they not shoot him on the spot? Or did you not catch that on that piece of propaganda?

[ShipSekki]

Really? what would you do in their case, Afghanistan and Iraq are 3rd world countries, literally a bunch of poverty ridden farmers and laborers, you really expect them to have 21st century weapons like the U.S ?!
you think they have special ops forces, 4th generation night vision, nuclear armament or depleted uranium projectiles !?!  LOL, half of them are fighting with pitch forks and single shot rifles from the 60's and 70's.. versus a bunch of highly elite trained soldiers with the latest technology and weapons... that's not warfare it's slaughter plain and simple.. you think the people of Afghanistan or Iraq wanted this !??! america brought it to them like usual. Technically I shouldn't even care less because I'm a white European, but some part of me is still human and sees the bullshit for what it is.. how many Americans have died in this siege of Iraq and Afghanistan ?! 100? 150?  versus probably 200,000 locals.

By your logic we should see no fault in what the Nazi's did during the war as well, after all the jews and Europe were using the same guerilla/partisan tactics against them.

 Exactly.

 US/coalition soldiers are over there like lions in a rabbit cage. Overall it's a pussy war. The strongest nation in the world mopping up a couple poor despots.

[Shockwave]

To all who think US military are "murderers", or without a code, or honor.

BTW, calling soldiers murderers and making it act like they have no feelings is rediculous..
We are trained to attempt to maintain cool and follow orders during combat. Its afterwards the consequences of the actions hit you.
I have a friend (A fellow Marine) Who was involved in OIF1.
Under orders he lit up a Van that tried to run the checkpoint with his SAW.
After the vehicle was stopped they checked the vehicle and there was nothing but a mother, father, and 3 kids.

All that he killed because they didnt stop at the checkpoint and he was under orders. It could have just as easily been a vehicle packed with explosives and had he not shot it up, 50 Marines would be dead.

The man randomly just breaks down crying and is tormented by the things he did calmly and cooly, because its what had to be done at the time.

So to simply call Soldiers, Marines, etc, Murderers, is just as criminal as the senseless killings themselves.

I know very few people who sign up to kill people. They sign up to do there duty, they sign up because they cant get jobs, they sign up to serve their country, etc. (Its not our fault what the politicians have us do 90% of our intentions are honorable.) You guys are just as bad as the people you call warmongers. Just instead of calling Muslims murderers, you call your fellow contryman trying to do there duty murderers..

[Fury]

Nice screencap of a RPG from the actual video.



Looks like a pitchfork and single shot rifle or maybe it's a video camera!

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php

Debunks the piece of propaganda that is this Wikileaks video quite nicely.

[chaos]

Nice screencap of a RPG from the actual video.



Looks like a pitchfork and single shot rifle or even a video camera!  

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php

Debunks this piece of propaganda quite nicely.

Brutal editing your post.

I find it more refreshing to sit back and laugh at these third world clowns and shitskin instigators than to actually engage them in any kind of debate.  These antiAmerican posters should be thankful the US hasn't found oil in their country, yet.

[Fury]

Brutal editing your post.

I find it more refreshing to sit back and laugh at these third world clowns and shitskin instigators than to actually engage them in any kind of debate.  These antiAmerican posters should be thankful the US hasn't found oil in their country, yet.

I find it more amusing (in a sad way) than aggravating.

[chaos]

Also have to LOL at the fact that these dunecoon supporters are raising a stink about a video that is 3 years old.

[Fury]

Also have to LOL at the fact that these dunecoon supporters are raising a stink about a video that is 3 years old.

What cracks me up is that they're actually crying about the US using its weaponry to fight, as if we should even the playing field by strapping explosives to our chests and blowing up women and children, or perhaps using civilians as human shields. Maybe we could even start chopping heads off.

Perhaps we should have evened the playing field against the Germans and Japanese by not outproducing, outsmarting and outfighting them. Silly Americans for wanting to win wars.  

[Army of One]

What cracks me up is that they're actually crying about the US using its weaponry to fight, as if we should even the playing field by strapping explosives to our chests and blowing up women and children, or perhaps using civilians as human shields. Maybe we could even start chopping heads off.

Perhaps we should have evened the playing field against the Germans and Japanese by not outproducing, outsmarting and outfighting them. Silly Americans for wanting to win wars.  

Can you name any good reason to explain how we had any right to invade Iraq?

[Fury]

Can you name any good reason to explain how we had any right to invade Iraq?

I couldn't care less about getting into a debate over that. However, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, I fully expect US forces to defend themselves from insurgents/terrorists while they're over there. RPGs are more than capable of taking a helicopter down and have even done it a few times.

[pellius]

Looked good to me. And the radio traffic indicated that the Bradley, called a Brad in the video, was taking fire from the guys at the corner.

All I have to say about the collateral damage is that if the people were allowing them to ambush forces in the neighborhood then when someone gets killed or injured is in no way the US fault.

You wanna cry on their shoulder, by all means go over there and cry on their shoulder, I am sure they will appreciate it up till the time they saw your head off.

Normally, I would support an organization like WikiLeaks, for exposing anonymous submissions and leaks of sensitive governmental, corporate, organizational, or religious documents, while attempting to preserve the anonymity and untraceability of its contributors.

However, WikiLeaks "reporting" leaves much to be desired. There is a definite spin to their release of this video. Their analysis shows bias and is quite inflammatory in the way they portray the actions of the US military.

Watching only the video (the evidence), and disclaiming the official Army line and the WikiLeaks portrayal, I can say that there was no deliberate shooting at known unarmed civilians by US forces. PERIOD. Those that did the shooting had been cleared by higher authority to engage, and that higher authority made its decision based on information provided by troops on the ground and in real time.

Mistakes happen.

If you are running around in a combat zone with nothing that distinguishes you from the combatants, carrying equipment that could easily be mistaken for weaponry (cameras with telephoto lenses), you are playing with fire.

Uber, once again, telling it like it is.

[pellius]

dont you understand ANYTHING about insurgent warfare.....that is the type of war the muslim extremists decided to carry out.  its not like it used to be where two sides wore their different uniforms, and enemy combatants were easily discernible.

these combatants blend in with the public,  and their families and communities....... though they miight not be planting IED's or firing ak-47  themselves, they equip, hide, and assist these insurgents.  a guy might be a mechanic during the day, then go out an plant explosives during the night

this is the type of war they wanted to fight, and in many cases they try to use our own honor against us, and purposely have their children with them, or purposely carry out attacks from mosques......because idiots like you buy it hook line and sinker



and as far as those people being innocent............

Another one who knows what he's talking about. Well done.

[Captain Equipoise]

I couldn't care less about getting into a debate over that. However, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, I fully expect US forces to defend themselves from insurgents/terrorists while they're over there. RPGs are more than capable of taking a helicopter down and have even done it a few times.

Too bad not this time   hopefully some marines get blown up in the next week or two

[Fury]

Too bad not this time  hopefully some marines get blown up in the next week or two

You just come off as a bitter crybaby with comments like that.

Shame you didn't overdose during your years of drug abuse. Oh look, I can be an immature fagg0t too.  

I would say something like, "Hopefully more Muslim jihadists die next week." but that's a foregone conclusion.