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Basically the 2 greatest Bodybuilders of all time, but who do you think trained smarter.
Personally I think dorians genetics were not as good as ronnie and imo dorian was better but what do you think.
Dorian- low volume, 3 hours a week
ronnie- higher volume, 6 days a week
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Basically the 2 greatest Bodybuilders of all time, but who do you think trained smarter.
Personally I think dorians genetics were not as good as ronnie and imo dorian was better but what do you think.
Dorian- low volume, 3 hours a week
ronnie- higher volume, 6 days a week
i would rather take advice from dorian...
....ronnie was better, but ronnie had better genetics...
dorian had shit genetics....but pushed, and molded what he had to the limits...
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Oh brother ND and Hulkster will be arriving within the hour.
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i would rather take advice from dorian...
....ronnie was better, but ronnie had better genetics...
dorian had shit genetics....but pushed, and molded what he had to the limits...
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no, dorian did not have "shit" genetics.....no mr olympia has "shit" genetics
you might prefer ronnie's structure to dorians, but to say he had shit genetics is ridiculous
(http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/body_builder_19sfw.gif)
(http://www.freakestphysique.blogger.com.br/Yates_020%5B1%5D.jpg)
this is shit genetics
(http://humorpix.com/images/bd7d33e7d3443170aa05f0ed5b5e4540/Weird_Body_Shape0-size-600x0.jpg)
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Dorian would probably give a better answer if asked a BB-related question, Ronnie would likely just answer "yep yep...oh yeah...yup" lol
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no, dorian did not "shit" genetics.....no mr olympia has "shit" genetics
you might prefer ronnie's structure to dorians, but to say he had shit genetics is ridiculous
(http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/body_builder_19sfw.gif)
compared to ronnie.....he had shit genetics...
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I'd rather take advice from Dorian. In my opinion, it seems as though Dorian's approach was more methodical and "scientific" compared to Ronnie.
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I'd rather take advice from Dorian. In my opinion, it seems as though Dorian's approach was more methodical and "scientific" compared to Ronnie.
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compared to ronnie.....he had shit genetics...
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thats a ridiculous statement as well.......thats like saying compared to michael jordan, dwayne wade is a shitty basketball player
they are both superb basketball players, jordan just happens to be a little more gifted........but that does nto make dwayne wade "shitty"
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I can picture how a conversation with Ronnie would transpire:
SF: "so, what do you do for back, Ronnie?"
Ronnie" yup, yup, lightweight"
SF: "ok, that's great, but it doesn't answer my question"
Ronnie: nutin' but a peanut"
SF: "um, are you understanding my question"
Ronnie: "LIGHTWEIGHT!!! BOOOOO, yup yup"
SF: "okay, this is weird"
Ronnie: "yup, yup"
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thats a ridiculous statement as well.......thats like saying compared to michael jordan, dwayne wade is a shitty basketball player
they are both superb basketball players, jordan just happens to be a little more gifted........but that does nto make dwayne wade "shitty"
looks like someone got their feelings stomped......dorian is nothing compared to ronnie...
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looks like someone got their feelings stomped......dorian is nothing compared to ronnie...
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nothing eh in your retard opinion he was but statistics show other wise dorian only only lost 2 contests ronnie lost a hell of alot more, around the same weight a best, both had strong points over the other, so they match up
fairly decently.
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In before thread goes to 900 pages
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I would rather take advice from a Getjiggah...
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looks like someone got their feelings stomped......dorian is nothing compared to ronnie...
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i dont like either of them, i just realize how brainless someone has to be to argue that dorian has "shit" genetics
you on the other hand, really seem to have a genuine lust for your ebony muscle hero
do you and your wife watch "blacks and blonds" porn together and talk about how much you wanna watch her get fucked by a black guy in front of you
dont be mad, its not your fault, that your a submissive white cuckold... :-[ :-[
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nothing eh in your retard opinion he was but statistics show other wise dorian only only lost 2 contests ronnie lost a hell of alot more, around the same weight a best, both had strong points over the other, so they match up
fairly decently.
oh yeah...lets compare statistics with IFBB records since they are well known for top notch judging, and would never allow themselves to be corrupted ::) ....i never said either of them were the best(cause they werent).........but comparing the 2 ronnie is better....but if i were to pay for training, i would hire dorian...
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i dont like either of them, i just realize how brainless someone has to be to argue that dorian has "shit" genetics
you on the other hand, really seem to have a genuine lust for your ebony muscle hero
do you and your wife watch "blacks and blonds" porn together and talk about how much you wanna watch her get fucked by a black guy in front of you
dont be mad, its not your fault, that your a submissive white cuckold... :-[ :-[
thats all you got?...seriously, you ran out of argument already?....dave, your skills are getting weak...
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Like the late Arthur Jones used to say, you would'nt ask a race horse how it trains.
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oh yeah...lets compare statistics with IFBB records since they are well known for top notch judging, and would never allow themselves to be corrupted ::) ....i never said either of them were the best(cause they werent).........but comparing the 2 ronnie is better....but if i were to pay for training, i would hire dorian...
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who said there corrupted, dumb fanboys who don't know how contests are judged, and are mad so they say it must of been politics.
yeah they were the best who would beat them?????? the only people would be an on flex or 2009 jay, thats it but not ronnie or dorian at their best.
and stop putting your opinion and acting like it's fact.
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who said there corrupted, dumb fanboys who don't know how contests are judged, and are mad so they say it must of been politics.
yeah they were the best who would beat them?????? the only people would be an on flex or 2009 jay, thats it but not ronnie or dorian at their best.
and stop putting your opinion and acting like it's fact.
you mean like you are doing?....all bodybuilding judging consist of is opinion...nothing else...as long as you are dry, and proportion you are good.....the rest is 100% opinion...
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you mean like you are doing?....all bodybuilding judging consist of is opinion...nothing else...as long as you are dry, and proportion you are good.....the rest is 100% opinion...
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no you were, but tell me who is better then dorian and ronnie.
no its not really all opinion they have certain things to watch out for
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no you were, but tell me who is better then dorian and ronnie.
no its not really all opinion they have certain things to watch out for
like what...you mean that distended stomach rule they never followed?
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I can picture how a conversation with Ronnie would transpire:
SF: "so, what do you do for back, Ronnie?"
Ronnie" yup, yup, lightweight"
SF: "ok, that's great, but it doesn't answer my question"
Ronnie: nutin' but a peanut"
SF: "um, are you understanding my question"
Ronnie: "LIGHTWEIGHT!!! BOOOOO, yup yup"
SF: "okay, this is weird"
Ronnie: "yup, yup"
rest of story please,,,ha ha ha
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Ronnie's answer is simple...point at weights, says go lift and love it. If you don't, find something that you love to do and do it, whether it ve volleyball or knitting.
Dorian would give a longer answer. Sometimes the more direct, "lift and love it" is better. When you are actually training, Dorian's would be better.
Ronnie loved lifting, period. If there was no weights, he'd lift rocks and boulders.
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Ronnie's answer is simple...point at weights, says go lift and love it. If you don't, find something that you love to do and do it, whether it ve volleyball or knitting.
Dorian would give a longer answer. Sometimes the more direct, "lift and love it" is better. When you are actually training, Dorian's would be better.
Ronnie loved lifting, period. If there was no weights, he'd lift rocks and boulders.
reported for slave joke!!!
;D ;D
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Dorian, lower volume higher weight
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rest of story please,,,ha ha ha
Let's just say it involved bbq chicken, the texas flag, and posing oil. :-X :-X
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Ronnie, cause I ain't racist
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Just wanted to get in on this before it went to 8 pages.
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If you've been lifting seriously for 10 or 15 (or 30 like me) years...there isn't anything they know that you don't. Genetics and drugs made them what they were, not the way they trained.
I can lift balls out, gonzo heavy like Ronnie or i can be more controlled and analytical like Dorian....lifting is lifting.
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If you've been lifting seriously for 10 or 15 (or 30 like me) years...there isn't anything they know that you don't. Genetics and drugs made them what they were, not the way they trained.
I can lift balls out, gonzo heavy like Ronnie or i can be more controlled and analytical like Dorian....lifting is lifting.
exactly, training hard, is training hard........hit, frequency, volume,.........you lift hard, muscles grow
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If you've been lifting for 15 years all advice is pretty much useless anyway. You're set in your ways. :P
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Its been proven more sets are superior. Dorian mr bro science
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If you've been lifting for 15 years all advice is pretty much useless anyway. You're set in your ways. :P
Personally i don't agree with that....I'm an "old dog' if ever there was one and I'm open to new shit.
Perfect example i did legs today and i did exclusively single leg movements for the entire workout...12-16 reps and really focused.
But I hear what you re saying..lotta dudes just go through the motions
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Personally i don't agree with that....I'm an "old dog' if ever there was one and I'm open to new shit.
Perfect example i did legs today and i did exclusively single leg movements for the entire workout...12-16 reps and really focused.
But I hear what you re saying..lotta dudes just go through the motions
you should try 100 sets of squats,,,in the back woods about 20 reps all day long,,,,arnold and some buddies used to do that with ranco,,they had lots of un we cook steak of course,,marinate all day then next day squat day they carry about 225lbs into backwoods together with 4 other guys,,
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you should try 100 sets of squats,,,in the back woods about 20 reps all day long,,,,arnold and some buddies used to do that with ranco,,they had lots of un we cook steak of course,,marinate all day then next day squat day they carry about 225lbs into backwoods together with 4 other guys,,
That book got me into BBing all those years ago
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no, dorian did not have "shit" genetics.....no mr olympia has "shit" genetics
you might prefer ronnie's structure to dorians, but to say he had shit genetics is ridiculous
(http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/body_builder_19sfw.gif)
(http://www.freakestphysique.blogger.com.br/Yates_020%5B1%5D.jpg)
this is shit genetics
(http://humorpix.com/images/bd7d33e7d3443170aa05f0ed5b5e4540/Weird_Body_Shape0-size-600x0.jpg)
Lmao at that cop.. ;D
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I would rather take advice from someone who knows about hard work and committment.
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Am I the only one that thinks Dorian looked better in the "Hope" segment, then he did in his "Glory?" ???
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Basically the 2 greatest Bodybuilders of all time, but who do you think trained smarter.
Personally I think dorians genetics were not as good as ronnie and imo dorian was better but what do you think.
Dorian- low volume, 3 hours a week
ronnie- higher volume, 6 days a week
While I respect Ronnie for his achievements, I pick Dorian hands down. Dorian just seems more practical in his advice. Ronnie would be talking about believing in Jesus, while Dorian would be talking about the actual workout. No yip yip, just clear and concise advice and directions. That's what I would want from a trainer.
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Donnie Cates
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If you've been lifting for 15 years all advice is pretty much useless anyway. You're set in your ways. :P
Neil Peart radically changed the way he held his drum sticks when he played drums in 2002 (underhanded, vs. overhanded). The BEST drummer in the world changed his technique. The shittiest bodybuilder in the world can always change his. I've been lifting weights for 21 years and until I watched a Dorian training session where he said focus more on the negative and slow it down (more controlled), I never knew there was another way than the one I had been using. So, if you wants better results, you'll be open to new methods that have been proven to work.
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While I respect Ronnie for his achievements, I pick Dorian hands down. Dorian just seems more practical in his advice. Ronnie would be talking about believing in Jesus, while Dorian would be talking about the actual workout. No yip yip, just clear and concise advice and directions. That's what I would want from a trainer.
Nope, I think Ronnie would tell you to grind it out. Looking at his vids, it pretty much seems that he hypes himself up and lift. I think he pretty much can tell who and when to talk about Jesus. Jesus freaks always want to convert you, Ronnie seems like he would slap a weight in your hand rather than a Bible.
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Nope, I think Ronnie would tell you to grind it out. Looking at his vids, it pretty much seems that he hypes himself up and lift. I think he pretty much can tell who and when to talk about Jesus. Jesus freaks always want to convert you, Ronnie seems like he would slap a weight in your hand rather than a Bible.
They are both all about action, not talk. I agree with that. I just think Dorian will be a lot more about technique and Ronnie a lot more about just doing what feels right. Dorian will push you to go far beyond what you thought you would ever be able to do, even if it means by him calling you a pussy and not being a real man. Ronnie wouldn't do that.
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Dorian comes across as the smarter of the two , this maybe very unfair to Big Ron as I've never met either but its just how they project themselves.
Also Ronnie was trained to win , he didnt think about it himself he was told what to do , drugs included.
Dorian thought it all out for himself so on this Id say Dorian..both ugly bodys but I have always admired Dorians drive and determination.
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Its been proven more sets are superior. Dorian mr bro science
not exactly, more sets provide a fraction extra stimulation of the first initial set.
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Dorian comes across as the smarter of the two , this maybe very unfair to Big Ron as I've never met either but its just how they project themselves.
Also Ronnie was trained to win , he didnt think about it himself he was told what to do , drugs included.
Dorian thought it all out for himself so on this Id say Dorian..both ugly bodys but I have always admired Dorians drive and determination.
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I would like some arm training advise from the white hope. ::)
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If you've been lifting seriously for 10 or 15 (or 30 like me) years...there isn't anything they know that you don't. Genetics and drugs made them what they were, not the way they trained.
I can lift balls out, gonzo heavy like Ronnie or i can be more controlled and analytical like Dorian....lifting is lifting.
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Dorian always leaned towards the more measured, analytical approach, whereas Ronnie is all about the powerlifting style of training with terrible form.
Either way is good - it's about finding out what works for you. As long as you're stimulating the muscles thouroughly and eating properly and consistently, then all you can do is sit back and let your genetics do the rest.
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Like the late Arthur Jones used to say, you would'nt ask a race horse how it trains.
Very true. But Dorian was the horse and the trainer in one person. But i wouldn't ask advices from any of the pros. Whaty they would say surely wouldnt work with my avarage genetics. Over 190cm the world looks different :D
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Dorian always leaned towards the more measured, analytical approach, whereas Ronnie is all about the powerlifting style of training with terrible form.
Either way is good - it's about finding out what works for you. As long as you're stimulating the muscles thouroughly and eating properly and consistently, then all you can do is sit back and let your genetics do the rest.
True to a certain degree. Someone who trains for pure power and density will no doubt build a different body than someone who trains light and focuses on form assuming they have similar genetics. I strongly agree that different training methods will build different bodies. I dont think you can build a power physique training light your whole career, and i dont think you can build a nice, aesthetic, symmetrical physique training heavy either.
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i would rather take advice from dorian...
....ronnie was better, but ronnie had better genetics...
dorian had shit genetics....but pushed, and molded what he had to the limits...
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Anybody saying Ronnie did not know how to train is a moron. Actually LOOK at his lift and tell me something he does wrong? Let me ask you something- do you REALLY think a guy can build up to front squatting 600lbs, db pressing the 200's for 12 like it's nothing, all the crazy shit he did without understanding proper biomechanics and lifting technique? You are crazy! He spent a lot of time learning the very same shit dorian did. Difference was Dorian relied on perfect execution, Ronnie on lifting maximal weight. Ronnie had the kind of frame to where he wasn't much to look at until he was HUUUUUUUGE but whe he got there, he was just unreal. He had to fill out a gigantic frame, slow controlled incline presses would not have gotten him there. Watch the unbelievable and look at his form-it is perfect. A guy that size and strength level would have had a LOT of problems with his shoulders and a number of things if he did not understand proper form.3