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Interesting outcome. Still have no idea who their leader is.
Romney wins presidential straw poll by a single vote
Posted: April 10th, 2010
From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
Mitt Romney did not attend the Southern Republican Leadership Conference but still won its 2012 straw poll.
New Orleans (CNN) – Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney defeated Texas Rep. Ron Paul by a single vote in the Southern Republican Leadership Conference’s 2012 straw poll on Saturday.
Romney did not appear at the New Orleans conference, but received 439 votes out of the 1,806 cast by delegates at the conference, held in New Orleans. Paul earned 438 votes.
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich tied for second place with 18 percent of the vote.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee earned 4 percent, followed by Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Indiana Rep. Mike Pence, who both captured 3 percent. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum finished with 2 percent, while former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson came in last with 1 percent.
Conference-goers had predicted that Romney and Paul would compete for the straw poll’s top two spots, as their supporters worked hard to get like-minded delegates to the voting room.
A group called “Evangelicals for Mitt” was a visible presence at the conference, handing out copies of Romney’s new book along with pink piggy banks emblazoned with the slogan, “Elect a president who won’t break the bank.” Paul’s loyal supporters, many of them college-aged, showed up in droves on Saturday to cast ballots before attending the congressman’s speech in the afternoon.
Like most straw polls, Saturday’s results should not be considered a reliable predictor of future success. Former Tennessee Sen. Bill Frist won the last SRLC contest in 2006, but never ran for president. The poll was accurate in 1998, however, when George W. Bush took the top spot two years before winning the White House.
The ballot also lacked several big names. Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, South Dakota Sen. John Thune, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, Texas Gov. Rick Perry – all of whom have been mentioned as possible 2012 candidates – were not listed.
At least two, Barbour and Perry, asked to have their names kept off the ballot.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/10/romney-wins-presidential-straw-poll-by-a-single-vote/?fbid=54YJ106g8kS#more-98987
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I wonder if those voters remembered that Romney was/is in favor of mandates for health care
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Romney is a complete joke. Romneycare eliminates him in my book altogether.
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I don't know 33. The country might be faced with a lesser of two evils choice . . . again.
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romneycare is one path that got him in to the postition he is now. Its what his constituents wanted. Like obama sitting in wrights church. Wright was popular with obamas constituent in chicago. These guys have no pride whatsoever. If romney gets the repub nominee id vote for him over any dem no questions asked.
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I'm praying to the baby jebus and baby allah that the dingbat runs
she's dumb enough to think she has a chance and it would be great fun to see this all end in tears for her and her accolytes
it will be so fun to hear their dumbfounded statements as their queen get's stomped in the primaries
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romneycare is one path that got him in to the postition he is now. Its what his constituents wanted. Like obama sitting in wrights church. Wright was popular with obamas constituent in chicago. These guys have no pride whatsoever. If romney gets the repub nominee id vote for him over any dem no questions asked.
I pretty much agree. He wouldn't be my first choice, but is certainly a better option than Obama.
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By the time 2012 rolls around it won't matter anymore since obama is intentionally collapsing the system.
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What I hope is the November elections cut into the Democrat majority so Congress can at least check him a bit.
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With the likes of lindsey graham, snowe, collins, mcconnell, mccain,I'm not so optimistic.
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By the time 2012 rolls around it won't matter anymore since obama is intentionally collapsing the system.
intentionally ?
to what end?
I can't wait to hear you CT on this one
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Look up cloward. Piven.
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Look up cloward. Piven.
I asked you not them
let me ask you a different question
you believe that Obama is "INTENTIONALLY collapsing the system" whatever that's supposed to mean
do you think he's got a written plan and has meetings and talks with his inner circle about this intent or does he keep it to himself?
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He only beat Ron by one vote and this is after he paid for peoples tickets if they were going to vote for him. hahaha
By contrast, Nancy French's Evangelicals for Mitt has been offering around 200 tickets for free, for anyone who wants to come and support Mitt Romney. At the party before Sean Hannity's live taping of his TV show, French's group handed out 800 copies of their man's book, "No Apology," and countless piggy banks.
What a loser.
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Yes straw. He is intentionally collapsing the system so that he can then rebuild it in a socialist communist mold.
There is simply no other explanation for his agenda.
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Yes straw. He is intentionally collapsing the system so that he can then rebuild it in a socialist communist mold.
There is simply no other explanation for his agenda.
and you honestly believe that?
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In 2007/2008, Romney did well in these by PAYING people to vote for him.
Still, this bodes well for him. Nice to see Newt moving up as well. And of course, if repubs were smart, they would run Ron paul and just let him demolish Obama in the election. You give Ron Paul a national platform like the debates and people are going to forget what party they swear allegience to, and they're only going to care about his ideas.
Ron Paul would DESTROY Obama in the debates.
Obama will do 'okay' against Romney, who ain't the smoothest guy around.
Obama would wreck Palin. Once she falls of the note cards, she would ramble.
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Yes straw I do. Anyone who says we are fatally flawed from ourfounding as a result of not having redistribution of wealth in the constitution and now embarking in policies like maobama is, is intentionally trying collapse the existing system.
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In 2007/2008, Romney did well in these by PAYING people to vote for him.
Still, this bodes well for him. Nice to see Newt moving up as well. And of course, if repubs were smart, they would run Ron paul and just let him demolish Obama in the election. You give Ron Paul a national platform like the debates and people are going to forget what party they swear allegience to, and they're only going to care about his ideas.
Ron Paul would DESTROY Obama in the debates.
Obama will do 'okay' against Romney, who ain't the smoothest guy around.
Obama would wreck Palin. Once she falls of the note cards, she would ramble.
I don`t think Ron Paul would do as well in a debate with Obama. I do believe as far as the Constitution goes, Obama is more of an authority having taught it at the University/Graduate level for over a decade.
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Yes straw I do. Anyone who says we are fatally flawed from ourfounding as a result of not having redistribution of wealth in the constitution and now embarking in policies like maobama is, is intentionally trying collapse the existing system.
sorry to hear that
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I don`t think Ron Paul would do as well in a debate with Obama. I do believe as far as the Constitution goes, Obama is more of an authority having taught it at the University/Graduate level for over a decade.
agree and disagree...obama is a great speaker and would own paul in style and looks...in all other categories paul would destroy obama...fact check the next couple of days after would be hilarious
obamas grasp of the constitution like yours and most liberals is geared toward their agenda as opposed to simply interpreting the document...you guys seem to like to see how you can interpret it to fit your agenda..."general welfare" is all im going to say ::)
ron paul doesnt do this so again he would own obama in this department as well...
NOW whether this would be evident through the smooth talking of obama and the bumbling of paul is the question...
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I pretty much agree. He wouldn't be my first choice, but is certainly a better option than Obama.
There you go. Romney will be the 2012 repube nominee.
Unless...
You are willing to take a stand and vote for the person who truly represents the values and intellectual depth of the GOP. That can only be Sarah Palin. ;)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm36/zulch/PalinBachmann.jpg)
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I don`t think Ron Paul would do as well in a debate with Obama. I do believe as far as the Constitution goes, Obama is more of an authority having taught it at the University/Graduate level for over a decade.
Over a decade hahaahahaahahhaahaahhaha hahaahahahahaahha!!!!! O u kill me.
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Obama was not even an associate level professor in con law.
He got that job as a political payoff and taught one class a semester if that to 2L's on a part time basis.
He is no athority on the constituion and more than I am.
This was another lie and hoax sold and delivered to the moron voters who ate it up without doing any research whatsoever.
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Over a decade hahaahahaahahhaahaahhaha hahaahahahahaahha!!!!! O u kill me.
lol
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agree and disagree...obama is a great speaker and would own paul in style and looks...in all other categories paul would destroy obama...fact check the next couple of days after would be hilarious
obamas grasp of the constitution like yours and most liberals is geared toward their agenda as opposed to simply interpreting the document...you guys seem to like to see how you can interpret it to fit your agenda..."general welfare" is all im going to say ::)
ron paul doesnt do this so again he would own obama in this department as well...
NOW whether this would be evident through the smooth talking of obama and the bumbling of paul is the question...
Bro, I think you nailed it with this post. As much as I love Ron his speaking has been suffering alot more than usual lately. Sometimes he really messes up his message by stammering and losing focus but as far as knowledge on history and the Constitution he destroys Obama. I think at this point he doesnt care about being president he just wants to offer a real alternative, common sense, voice to the people.
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Obama was not even an associate level professor in con law.
He got that job as a political payoff and taught one class a semester if that to 2L's on a part time basis.
He is no athority on the constituion and more than I am.
This was another lie and hoax sold and delivered to the moron voters who ate it up without doing any research whatsoever.
what's your source on this?
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Yes straw I do. Anyone who says we are fatally flawed from ourfounding as a result of not having redistribution of wealth in the constitution and now embarking in policies like maobama is, is intentionally trying collapse the existing system.
I actually feel sorry for you that you truly believe this
have you ever had a serious head injury?
just wondering
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http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html
Was Barack Obama really a constitutional law professor?
UC Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
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http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html
Was Barack Obama really a constitutional law professor?
UC Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
I'm sure 333 will say this is all frabricated as part of Obama's lifelong covert plan to intentionally destroy our country
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He only beat Ron by one vote and this is after he paid for peoples tickets if they were going to vote for him. hahaha
By contrast, Nancy French's Evangelicals for Mitt has been offering around 200 tickets for free, for anyone who wants to come and support Mitt Romney. At the party before Sean Hannity's live taping of his TV show, French's group handed out 800 copies of their man's book, "No Apology," and countless piggy banks.
What a loser.
Ron Paul campaigned pretty hard. Signs all over the place. And as the article says, "Paul’s loyal supporters, many of them college-aged, showed up in droves on Saturday to cast ballots before attending the congressman’s speech in the afternoon." I don't think college-aged voters reflect the views of the majority from either party.
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Bro, I think you nailed it with this post. As much as I love Ron his speaking has been suffering alot more than usual lately. Sometimes he really messes up his message by stammering and losing focus but as far as knowledge on history and the Constitution he destroys Obama. I think at this point he doesnt care about being president he just wants to offer a real alternative, common sense, voice to the people.
Correct. I watched his speech. Agreed with much of what he had to say, but he looked and sounded very old, lost his train of thought a couple times, mumbled a bit. When you factor in that he doesn't have a good speaking voice (sounds whiney) and has no presence at all, it doesn't make for a very good presentation.
Personally, I don't think any of that should matter, but it does.
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Newt Gingrich[/b
is this some kind of joke?
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Romney is a complete joke. Romneycare eliminates him in my book altogether.
Romney's stance on health care is the only thing I like about the guy
funny how that worked out
honestly, I don't see why the christians/social issue voters don't like this guy more.
He seems to be a genuine family man with no scandals (that I'm aware of), no mistresses or love children and no toe tapping either
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RomneyCare is bankrupting Mass.
Second of course you love govt regulation, mandates, command and control govt fiat.
From a libertarian pov Romney is no different than obama but for the color of his skin.
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Romney SUCKS and if thats who the republicans pick Im voting libertarian.Im not voting for another McCain,Dole,Bush 1 or Bush 2.
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Ill write in 240.
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Romney SUCKS and if thats who the republicans pick Im voting libertarian.Im not voting for another McCain,Dole,Bush 1 or Bush 2.
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This.
He's a liar as was proven when a reporter confronted him about his lobbyist ties and he's a man that uses his money to grease people to vote for him. Yeah, those are the qualities we need in our next leader and then expect things to change. He's just another Neocon scumbag.
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Romney will ensure a third party run and obama second term.
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"I'll write in 240"
LOL... I like toxic's idea of just crapping in the voting booth to show your displeasure with the options :)
I think the smart 2012 repub candidate will promise "I will offer Ron Paul a job on my cabinet as "common sense adviser" - he will have my ear whenever he wants it!"
This would assure a lot of Ron Paul supporters jumping to this candidate.
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Romney will ensure a third party run and obama second term.
For the first time probably EVER, I think Pea Brain is on to something. :o
We keep "Mormon Mitt" as the inevitable GOP nominee (he's got the square jaw and good looking family, even though he's a solid-gold plated PHONY who will have to backpeddle away from his MA socialized healthcare), and let the disgusted right-wing nutjobs go Libertarian/Tea Bagger as a Third Party alternative. Perhaps the team I support, Palin/Bachmann, will run under the Tea Bagger Party. When these two inevitably cancel and/or destroy each other, Obama calmy walks back into the White House for a second victorious term. Good job boys, that was well done. ;)
Now thanks for playing, and fuck off. >:(
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Bro, I think you nailed it with this post. As much as I love Ron his speaking has been suffering alot more than usual lately. Sometimes he really messes up his message by stammering and losing focus but as far as knowledge on history and the Constitution he destroys Obama. I think at this point he doesnt care about being president he just wants to offer a real alternative, common sense, voice to the people.
I agree I dont think ron paul cares so much about being the face of the movement more so simply getting the movement going...His words dont flow like obamas which is fine if youre actually listening to what he is saying but for those who really dont and simply wait for the applause obama who can pretty much contradict himself in the same sentence but do it eloquently is still going to come out ahead.
but like I said fact check the next 2 or 3 days would be hillarious ;D
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Interesting outcome. Still have no idea who their leader is.
Romney wins presidential straw poll by a single vote
Posted: April 10th, 2010
From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
Mitt Romney did not attend the Southern Republican Leadership Conference but still won its 2012 straw poll.
New Orleans (CNN) – Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney defeated Texas Rep. Ron Paul by a single vote in the Southern Republican Leadership Conference’s 2012 straw poll on Saturday.
Romney did not appear at the New Orleans conference, but received 439 votes out of the 1,806 cast by delegates at the conference, held in New Orleans. Paul earned 438 votes.
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich tied for second place with 18 percent of the vote.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee earned 4 percent, followed by Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Indiana Rep. Mike Pence, who both captured 3 percent. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum finished with 2 percent, while former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson came in last with 1 percent.
Conference-goers had predicted that Romney and Paul would compete for the straw poll’s top two spots, as their supporters worked hard to get like-minded delegates to the voting room.
A group called “Evangelicals for Mitt” was a visible presence at the conference, handing out copies of Romney’s new book along with pink piggy banks emblazoned with the slogan, “Elect a president who won’t break the bank.” Paul’s loyal supporters, many of them college-aged, showed up in droves on Saturday to cast ballots before attending the congressman’s speech in the afternoon.
Like most straw polls, Saturday’s results should not be considered a reliable predictor of future success. Former Tennessee Sen. Bill Frist won the last SRLC contest in 2006, but never ran for president. The poll was accurate in 1998, however, when George W. Bush took the top spot two years before winning the White House.
The ballot also lacked several big names. Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, South Dakota Sen. John Thune, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, Texas Gov. Rick Perry – all of whom have been mentioned as possible 2012 candidates – were not listed.
At least two, Barbour and Perry, asked to have their names kept off the ballot.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/10/romney-wins-presidential-straw-poll-by-a-single-vote/?fbid=54YJ106g8kS#more-98987
He's about as viable as someone like Haley Barbour.
Used to being an underdog, Santorum bets the house on '12 Iowa caucuses
By Shane D’Aprile
- 01/18/11 06:04 AM ET
This is the first in a series of profiles on Republicans who may run for president in 2012.
Rick Santorum is used to being an underdog.
In the spring of 1990, Santorum received a fax from his pollster that had a simple message: The upstart conservative didn’t stand a chance of capturing a seat in Congress that year.
The Pennsylvania Republican, who was weighing a challenge to an entrenched incumbent in a Democratic district, was so cash-strapped that pollster Neil Newhouse agreed only to charge him for the cost of the calls.
The results of the poll were so bad that Newhouse didn’t even phone Santorum to relay the news. He faxed the report that showed him with just 6 percent name ID six months out from Election Day.
“He basically said, ‘Rick, I can put anybody’s name on a survey and get 7 or 8 percent,’ ” Santorum recalled. “ ‘That makes you two or three points below nobody.’ ”
That’s not that far a cry from where Santorum stands among the field of potential 2012 presidential hopefuls. He faces a crop of candidates who are better-known and likely to have deep fundraising pockets, and who will command much more press attention.
“It’s been the same in every single race I’ve ever run,” said a smiling Santorum, noting with satisfaction that he won his House race two decades ago in what turned out to be one of the biggest upsets of the cycle. “People underestimate me. Can’t say it’s ever bothered me, though.”
Newhouse eventually ended up as Santorum’s pollster, but in 2012 he’s just another doubter. The veteran strategist has already signed on with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
In a GOP field that, along with Romney, could include former Govs. Sarah Palin (Alaska) and Mike Huckabee (Arkansas) and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.), the former senator would undoubtedly struggle for elbow room.
But while Santorum can’t come close to challenging the name recognition of that group, he’s already taking his message and in-your-face style to the campaign trail.
Santorum has long been an overachiever. Four years after being elected to the House, he launched a successful bid for the Senate, being sworn in to the upper chamber at the age of 36.
During the 2008 GOP presidential primary, Santorum attracted headlines for saying he would support anyone but Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). He subsequently backed McCain in the general election and acknowledged that some Republicans told him he should have kept his mouth shut.
At the time, Santorum wrote in an op-ed, “I’ve never been very good at that.”
As for Romney — the candidate he endorsed in the 2008 primary — Santorum doesn’t mince his words.
“I think it’s hard to see a path for him, given the ObamaCare issue,” he said, pointing out similarities between the Massachusetts healthcare plan touted by Romney and the one that was signed into law last year. “It’s just hard for me to see how he gets past that [in a Republican primary].”
Santorum was once among his party’s rising stars, ascending to the No. 3 position in the Republican Senate leadership.
He insists that before he planned his first trip to Iowa for a speech at Dubuque University in 2009, running for president had barely crossed his mind. His claim is believable, considering Santorum was less than three years removed from an 18-point trouncing at the hands of Democrat Bob Casey Jr., which decisively shattered his prominence in the party.
The reception in Iowa was more than Santorum had hoped for, and since then, he’s traveled to the state more times than any other rumored 2012 hopeful.
“I haven’t been discouraged since,” he said.
Any opening for Santorum would have to come from the evangelical conservative wing of the party’s base, particularly in Iowa. A staunch opponent of abortion and gay marriage, if Santorum can find a path to mobilizing and coalescing social conservatives in 2012, he could find a built-in base of support.
Much of that effort, though, is dependent on whether Huckabee, Palin or even Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) jumps in — all candidacies that would complicate Santorum’s calculus.
Still, Santorum’s message is not that of a one- or two-issue candidate. His time in Congress gives him a firm grasp on a range of matters. During an appearance on Greta Van Susteren’s show on Fox last year, Santorum highlighted the role he played in the passage of welfare reform.
The 52-year-old recoils at the size of the deficit, derisively talks down President Obama’s economic policies and proclaims not a single provision of the healthcare law is worth saving. What riles him most is the president’s worldview, and it’s largely why he’s a good bet to throw his hat in the 2012 ring.
“One of the concerns I have with Obama is that he’s lost focus on who America is,” Santorum said. “Talking about the working class and the middle class: Since when do we have classes in America? There has been this huge moral argument going on here and we’ve just ignored it. We’ve accepted it, and we shouldn’t.”
On economic policy: “Obama’s engaged in a culture war. He’s pitting the rich against the poor.”
On healthcare: “What the president has done — and this is the typical left: ‘We know better, we’ll structure the marketplace, we’ll run it and it’ll be better than if people do it in the private sector.’ It’s a lie. It doesn’t work.”
On immigration: “If you want to come here to work and then send your money back home, I don’t want you. If you want to come here and impose sharia law, stay home. If you want to come here to be an American, then I want you.”
For Santorum, those types of statements are not just red meat for the base — although they work just fine for those purposes, too. He simply believes the country is headed down a disastrous path. That ethos, coupled with his conservative credentials, has Santorum optimistic that Republican primary voters will listen to what he has to say.
As to the thornier question of whether he could actually capture the nomination in 2012, Santorum sounds encouraged enough to want to find out.
“Everything I’ve learned about presidential politics is that you have to do better than they think you’re gonna do,” he said. “If you beat expectations, you go to the next place on the game board. I can tell you, I wouldn’t still be doing this if I wasn’t encouraged by the reception we’ve been getting.”
Next week: Tim Pawlenty
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/138389-santorum-bets-the-house-on-the-12-iowa-caucuses
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2012 is going to be another hold your nose election unless guy like Trump jumps in there with Christie.
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2012 is going to be another hold your nose election unless guy like Trump jumps in there with Christie.
You're still not liking Newt?
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You're still not liking Newt?
I don't trust Newt anymore.
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I don't trust Newt anymore.
But you'll gladly take him over Barry. :D
I like Newt, I hope he makes a run for it.
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I don't trust Newt anymore.
LOL! What year did you trust newt? What year did he suddenly become non-trustworthy? When he was banging some chicky on the side while prosecuting clinton for lying about the same thing?
At this point, character probably doesn't matter to voters anymore. We don't care if newt cheats or Romney had lib policies or Palin ain't that bright... if they'll slow down Obama/dem spending legislation, let's give em the job.
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Could you rightwing idiot fucks PLEASE PLEASE give us a better option... I will vote for him if you do...
Actually you have a good possible option, Ron Paul, but he's "unelectible" for the right ::) WHY THE FUCK I DON'T KNOW!!!!
But please, don't try to stick us with some clown that wears magic underwear ::)
The other candidates that make me want to freaking puke:
NO Rudy Giuliani
NO Newt Gingrich
NO Bobby Jindal
NO Lindsey Graham
ASOLUTELY NO JEB BUSH -- I SWEAR TO GOD, YOU FUCKERS BETTER NOT JACK US WITH ANOTHER FUCKING BUSH. I'M FUCKING DONE IF YOU DO THAT, DONE DONE, OVER WITH, FUCKING TAKING A LONG VACATION... NO MORE FUCKING BUSHS GODDAMNIT...
If you fuckers even think about Jeb Bush, I'm going to put my full effort into helping Obama get re-elected... puking every day for doing it... no more fucking Bushs!!!!!!!! I beg you....
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Agreed. I hate the bush crime syndicate.
I am hoping trump gets in there.
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"Actually you have a good possible option, Ron Paul, but he's "unelectible" for the right WHY THE FUCK I DON'T KNOW!!!!"
Because he is a real conservative the neocons are the rulers of the GOP and they just act like they are conservatives( low spending, small government etc) when in reality they are just as bad as the dem.
There is very few real conservatives left in the GOP or they dont have much saying in whats going on hope it changes
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He is too old now and can't be elected nationwide. 50 percent of the country wants a sugar daddy.
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He is too old now and can't be elected nationwide. 50 percent of the country wants a sugar daddy.
They have one now and the economy is shit
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If you don't work and just exist to collect govt benes, the state of the economy does not affect you.
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He's running.
Romney: Wife Wants Me to Run for President
Wednesday, 02 Feb 2011
By Hiram Reisner
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney on Tuesday said his wife wants him to run for president in 2012, even though he has not yet decided whether to seek the GOP nomination, and does not know if he has the team in place to beat President Obama.
“I don't have an answer for you yet, because there are a lot of things you have to consider before you make that final decision,” he told CNN’s Pier Morgan. “Clearly, I'm doing the things, like other folks are doing, to keep the option open, and moving forward in the event that I make a positive decision. But there are matters of health, of support, of the kind of network you'd like to have of individuals.
“My wife thinks I should run. She's absolutely committed. She's saying, ‘you've got to run, you've got to have somebody who understands the world of the economy, small business, who can create jobs,’” Romney said. “She's convinced I've got to run. But I have to look more broadly and say, ‘all right, do I have the team necessary to do this?’”
Asked if the specter of a former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin run would have an impact on his decision, and whether he could beat her for the GOP nomination, Romney said he couldn’t answer, as he was not a political analyst or pollster.
“I believe she's an extraordinarily powerful and effective voice in our party, that she has generated a great deal of support and attention, that she'd be great in a primary process,” Romney said. “She'd bring attention to the process. And frankly, the more people we have on the stage in those debates, talking about different ideas and different approaches, the better.”
Morgan asked Romney whether his wife knows if he could beat Palin and any other GOP nomination contender.
“She probably does,” Romney said. “I'm not sure she knows whether I can win or lose. But I know that she thinks that someone of my experience is needed in the country at a time like this.”
Turning to Romney’s Mormon faith, Morgan asked whether he still believed, as he indicated when seeking the GOP nomination in 2008, that some might think it might sink his candidacy.
“I can't judge the politics. I don't know the answer to that,” he said. “My experience … in Massachusetts, running as a Mormon guy in a state that's overwhelmingly of other faiths, [it] didn't seem to get in my way there.
“But most people in this country recognize that, in fact, the nation itself was founded on the principle of religious tolerance and freedom,” Romney added. “We respect other people's beliefs. And I think in a lot of cases respect people who honor their faith and try to be true to them.”
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Romney-Wife-Run-President/2011/02/02/id/384702
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He's about as viable as someone like Haley Barbour.
Used to being an underdog, Santorum bets the house on '12 Iowa caucuses
By Shane D’Aprile
- 01/18/11 06:04 AM ET
This is the first in a series of profiles on Republicans who may run for president in 2012.
Rick Santorum is used to being an underdog.
In the spring of 1990, Santorum received a fax from his pollster that had a simple message: The upstart conservative didn’t stand a chance of capturing a seat in Congress that year.
The Pennsylvania Republican, who was weighing a challenge to an entrenched incumbent in a Democratic district, was so cash-strapped that pollster Neil Newhouse agreed only to charge him for the cost of the calls.
The results of the poll were so bad that Newhouse didn’t even phone Santorum to relay the news. He faxed the report that showed him with just 6 percent name ID six months out from Election Day.
“He basically said, ‘Rick, I can put anybody’s name on a survey and get 7 or 8 percent,’ ” Santorum recalled. “ ‘That makes you two or three points below nobody.’ ”
That’s not that far a cry from where Santorum stands among the field of potential 2012 presidential hopefuls. He faces a crop of candidates who are better-known and likely to have deep fundraising pockets, and who will command much more press attention.
“It’s been the same in every single race I’ve ever run,” said a smiling Santorum, noting with satisfaction that he won his House race two decades ago in what turned out to be one of the biggest upsets of the cycle. “People underestimate me. Can’t say it’s ever bothered me, though.”
Newhouse eventually ended up as Santorum’s pollster, but in 2012 he’s just another doubter. The veteran strategist has already signed on with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
In a GOP field that, along with Romney, could include former Govs. Sarah Palin (Alaska) and Mike Huckabee (Arkansas) and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.), the former senator would undoubtedly struggle for elbow room.
But while Santorum can’t come close to challenging the name recognition of that group, he’s already taking his message and in-your-face style to the campaign trail.
Santorum has long been an overachiever. Four years after being elected to the House, he launched a successful bid for the Senate, being sworn in to the upper chamber at the age of 36.
During the 2008 GOP presidential primary, Santorum attracted headlines for saying he would support anyone but Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). He subsequently backed McCain in the general election and acknowledged that some Republicans told him he should have kept his mouth shut.
At the time, Santorum wrote in an op-ed, “I’ve never been very good at that.”
As for Romney — the candidate he endorsed in the 2008 primary — Santorum doesn’t mince his words.
“I think it’s hard to see a path for him, given the ObamaCare issue,” he said, pointing out similarities between the Massachusetts healthcare plan touted by Romney and the one that was signed into law last year. “It’s just hard for me to see how he gets past that [in a Republican primary].”
Santorum was once among his party’s rising stars, ascending to the No. 3 position in the Republican Senate leadership.
He insists that before he planned his first trip to Iowa for a speech at Dubuque University in 2009, running for president had barely crossed his mind. His claim is believable, considering Santorum was less than three years removed from an 18-point trouncing at the hands of Democrat Bob Casey Jr., which decisively shattered his prominence in the party.
The reception in Iowa was more than Santorum had hoped for, and since then, he’s traveled to the state more times than any other rumored 2012 hopeful.
“I haven’t been discouraged since,” he said.
Any opening for Santorum would have to come from the evangelical conservative wing of the party’s base, particularly in Iowa. A staunch opponent of abortion and gay marriage, if Santorum can find a path to mobilizing and coalescing social conservatives in 2012, he could find a built-in base of support.
Much of that effort, though, is dependent on whether Huckabee, Palin or even Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) jumps in — all candidacies that would complicate Santorum’s calculus.
Still, Santorum’s message is not that of a one- or two-issue candidate. His time in Congress gives him a firm grasp on a range of matters. During an appearance on Greta Van Susteren’s show on Fox last year, Santorum highlighted the role he played in the passage of welfare reform.
The 52-year-old recoils at the size of the deficit, derisively talks down President Obama’s economic policies and proclaims not a single provision of the healthcare law is worth saving. What riles him most is the president’s worldview, and it’s largely why he’s a good bet to throw his hat in the 2012 ring.
“One of the concerns I have with Obama is that he’s lost focus on who America is,” Santorum said. “Talking about the working class and the middle class: Since when do we have classes in America? There has been this huge moral argument going on here and we’ve just ignored it. We’ve accepted it, and we shouldn’t.”
On economic policy: “Obama’s engaged in a culture war. He’s pitting the rich against the poor.”
On healthcare: “What the president has done — and this is the typical left: ‘We know better, we’ll structure the marketplace, we’ll run it and it’ll be better than if people do it in the private sector.’ It’s a lie. It doesn’t work.”
On immigration: “If you want to come here to work and then send your money back home, I don’t want you. If you want to come here and impose sharia law, stay home. If you want to come here to be an American, then I want you.”
For Santorum, those types of statements are not just red meat for the base — although they work just fine for those purposes, too. He simply believes the country is headed down a disastrous path. That ethos, coupled with his conservative credentials, has Santorum optimistic that Republican primary voters will listen to what he has to say.
As to the thornier question of whether he could actually capture the nomination in 2012, Santorum sounds encouraged enough to want to find out.
“Everything I’ve learned about presidential politics is that you have to do better than they think you’re gonna do,” he said. “If you beat expectations, you go to the next place on the game board. I can tell you, I wouldn’t still be doing this if I wasn’t encouraged by the reception we’ve been getting.”
Next week: Tim Pawlenty
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/138389-santorum-bets-the-house-on-the-12-iowa-caucuses
George Will's take:
Social Conservatives Want Someone Like Santorum in 2012
Friday, 04 Feb 2011
By George Will
In 1994, when Rick Santorum was a second-term Pennsylvania congressman seeking a U.S. Senate seat, a columnist asked him how he was going to win. "Guns," he replied serenely. Pennsylvania's legions of deer hunters do not use assault weapons, which President Bill Clinton was trying to ban, but the hunters suspected that this, like Clinton's wife's healthcare plan, reflected a pattern of assaults on liberty.
Santorum, then 36, won by 87,210 votes — 87,210 hunters? — out of 3,384,172 cast, becoming the first conservative elected senator from Pennsylvania since 1952. "Never," he says today, "underestimate the power of the social issues."
He probably will test that power — and the theory, which he rejects, that economic anxieties have marginalized those issues — by seeking the Republicans' 2012 presidential nomination.
Santorum had one of the Senate's most conservative voting records and was floor manager of the most important legislation of the 1990s, the 1996 welfare reform, which Clinton vetoed twice before signing. In 2000, Santorum won a second term with 52 percent, and was elected third-ranking Republican leader in the Senate. In 2006, a miserable year for Republicans, he lost 59-41.
How can he, having lost his last election, run for president? Isn't he a spent political force? Well, was Richard Nixon defunct after losing the California gubernatorial race in 1962?
Santorum has made nine trips to New Hampshire, where he has hired a chairman of his state political action committee and a state director, and is returning soon. He has been that many times to two other early delegate-selection states, Iowa and South Carolina, and has other trips to those states scheduled.
Seven reasons why he has not committed to running are his children, ranging in ages from 19 to 2. The Santorums take parenting very seriously: All but their youngest child have been partially home-schooled. The youngest, Bella, is severely disabled with Trisomy 18, a condition caused by a chromosomal defect that prevents more than 90 percent of its victims from reaching their first birthdays.
About his presidential run, he says, "My wife is sane, therefore she doesn't want me to do this." But both she and he are passionately right-to-life, and dedicated to trying to reform today's abortion culture that is increasingly comfortable with treating inconvenient lives, including those like Bella's, as disposable.
Santorum appears four to six times a week on the Fox News and Fox Business channels, which are watched — particularly the former — by much of the Republican nominating electorate. And for three hours every Friday he hosts William Bennett's nationally syndicated radio program, which also has a mostly conservative audience.
Santorum does not ignore economic issues, but as a relentless ethicist, he recasts those as moral issues: "What is European socialism but modern-day monarchy that 'takes care' of the people?" He is, of course, correct that America's debt crisis is, at bottom, symptomatic of a failure of self-control, a fundamental moral failing.
The first event of the nominating process, Iowa's Republican caucuses, are, Santorum says, a bifurcated event. One part concerns born-again and evangelical Christians, who are 60 percent of caucus participants. The other part involves everyone else. This is why Mike Huckabee won Iowa in 2008, and why in 1988 Pat Robertson finished a strong second to Bob Dole and ahead of George H.W. Bush.
Three people who might have competed, or still might compete, with Santorum for voters intense about social issues include Indiana Rep. Mike Pence, who has decided against running. And Huckabee, who is doing well as a Fox News contributor. And Sarah Palin, another Fox luminary, would have the most to lose financially from running. Santorum thinks "the left is trying to goad her into it," hoping she would be weak among the independent voters who decide most elections.
Tim Pawlenty, former governor of Minnesota, a state contiguous with Iowa, is running hard and has published a book with a strong religious theme, but Santorum doubts that Pawlenty has the passion requisite for connecting with "values voters." That is a Santorum theory.
Here is another: If unemployment is still above 9 percent in 2012, almost any Republican can win, and if there is a convincing recovery the party had better nominate someone who can energize its base.
That is only a theory, but this is a fact: Social conservatives are much of that base, are feeling neglected, and are looking for someone like Santorum.
http://www.newsmax.com/GeorgeWill/GeorgeWill-Santorum-2012-race/2011/02/04/id/385019
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I don't like santorum at all. He's going nowhere.
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Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012
By Reid Wilson
February 8, 2011 | 11:16 AM
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More than half of registered voters believe President Obama will lose a bid for a second term, even as more Americans say they approve of his job performance than at any time in more than a year.
A new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey, released Tuesday, shows 51 percent of registered voters, and the same percentage of adult Americans, believe Obama will lose if he runs for re-election. 46 percent say he would win.
And more voters say, at the moment, they will vote against Obama. Fully 51 percent say they definitely or probably will not vote for Obama, while 47 percent say they're predisposed to vote for him. Independent voters would vote against Obama by a 44 percent to 53 percent margin, while he would win moderates by a much larger 55 percent to 45 percent margin.
The numbers come in the same poll that showed Obama gaining from a big positive bump. The sample of all adults approve of the job Obama is doing by a 55 percent to 44 percent margin, the highest Obama's approval rating has gone since a poll conducted November 13-15, 2009.
And yet Obama shouldn't worry too much. Early decisions about how a voter will cast a ballot haven't proven to be terribly good indicators of a candidate's performance in the following elections. A similar CNN survey from January 1995 found 54 percent of Americans saying they would vote against Bill Clinton, while just 39 percent would vote for him. Fully 65 percent said they believed Clinton would lose re-election. Clinton easily won his re-election bid in 1996.
The poll, conducted January 21-23 among 1,012 adults, comes with a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percent. Subsamples of 479 Republicans and Republican-leaning independents and 441 Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents have a higher margin of error, around 4.5 percent each.
The survey also tested the Republican presidential primary field, a group so disparate and wide open that more than half of Republican primary voters have never heard of some of the leading candidates. More than 59 percent of voters say they have never heard of, or have no opinion of, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, former Sen. Rick Santorum, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, Rep. Mike Pence and Sen. John Thune.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee leads the pack in name recognition with a 72 percent favorable rating. He's closely trailed by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who is seen favorably by 70 percent of Republicans, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who has a 64 percent approval rating.
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Many good cmments at the site.
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/02/americans-think.php
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he blamed his wife for that planned parenthood donation.
still, he would turn around the business thing in america, so he'd get my vote.
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lol