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Three championship fights and all go to boring decisions. They overpay for Henderson and he gets beat by Shields, who is now a free agent and will likely go to the UFC. Their poster boy, Mousasi got dethroned in a lay & pray snoozefest. Gilbert upset Aoki but then puts the entire MMA community to shame by starting a post fight brawl.
What a freaking mess. I wonder if they make it to the end of the year...
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The Aoki fight was unwatchable. The Mo, Moussasi fight was so so and the Shields Hendo fight was pretty good for 3 rounds.
For a free event, it was decent and I will certainly be tuning in to watch Overeem v. Rogers and Arlovski v. Silva.
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The fights were ok, but at least they didn't charge $45.00 like the UFC did a little over a week ago for 2 championship fights that were just as boring.
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I actually enjoyed the Shields fight. I thought he would get smoked and was glad to see the upset. Can't wait to see him in the UFC!
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I recorded it and forgot to set it for extra time, so didn't see Henderson and Shields, but the other two fights were kind of boring. Even with Kimbo, i.e. casual fans watching, this didn't work, not sure why they are trying it again.
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Three championship fights and all go to boring decisions. They overpay for Henderson and he gets beat by Shields, who is now a free agent and will likely go to the UFC. Their poster boy, Mousasi got dethroned in a lay & pray snoozefest. Gilbert upset Aoki but then puts the entire MMA community to shame by starting a post fight brawl.
What a freaking mess. I wonder if they make it to the end of the year...
I heard about the Jake Shields brawl....you sure there was one after the Gilbert fight?
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I heard about the Jake Shields brawl....you sure there was one after the Gilbert fight?
Gilbert is the one that started the pushing after the Shields fight.
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I thought the whole card was very boring. I was flipping to HBO boxing and also Spike TV repeat of their last ppv. All three fights were lame. Hendo looked tired and injured. Jake Shields should have crushed him but he fought like a pussy. He'll get fucking killed in the UFC. Bad card. Very boring. I agree, total failure. Even as a free card, it sucked.
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Not only were the Strikeforce fights on Saturday boring, the whole production was mediocre at best. You had horrible commentary, and an overall very unprofessional product.
There was really no excuse for the 'brawl' at the end. Plus you get the extra comments like too much testosterone etc from the commentary.
Just all around a bad day for MMA.
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Apples and Oranges comparing these two orgs. The UFC puts on SEVERAL shows a month. Not every show is going to be the best ever. Strikeforce puts on one show every 4+ months and this is what we get? Although Silva acted like a fool, he did not do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He broke no rules of conduct or laws. Can't say the same for the Strikeforce brawl can you? Assault charges are in the works for several guys.
The UFC would have never allowed Mayhem in the ring. They are prepared for this type of thing.
Bottom line....Strikeforce screwed up big time with not only a poor quality card, but allowing the brawl at the end to happen. Especially on NETWORK TV.
Even worse is that the most memorable moment from the night will be the brawl at the end.
Strikeforce is done on network TV. They hurt MMA with that spectacle. Plain and simple.
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We can debate about the quality of orgs and fights all day long.
What is fact is that Strikeforce allowed literal CRIMES to be committed IN THE CAGE Saturday night on NETWORK TV. That is embarrassing and disgraceful to the sport.
When has the UFC allowed a CRIME to be committed IN THE CAGE on Television?
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When in the UFC since White/Zuffa has owned it has a CRIME been committed in the cage or post fight on TV?
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Prove me wrong :o
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What's the matter can't answer my question? When in the UFC have you seen a brawl where a crime was committed since zuffa has owned it?
MMA is much different then any of the sports you mentioned. All the sports you mentioned have been on Network TV for years.
MMA is a NEW sport to Network TV. Quit trying to compare the two. Strikeforce F'd up big time Sat. night.
Please answer my question. :o
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LOL....Can't answer my question can you? :o
Do you have to be reported and have MS bitch slap you again :o
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i go out to a bar and catch the PPV. I'm out $20, get food no clean up. I make out on the deal lol. I won't pay to watch cards. I haven't bought a PPV in a long time.
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So still can't answer my original question huh?
You stated earlier that you could prove that what happened in the cage Saturday night, has happened in the UFC since Zuffa has owned it?
I do not report shit....I never said I would. I was being sarcastic.
You do have a habit of making stuff up. :o
This is just too easy sometimes.
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What's the matter can't answer my question? When in the UFC have you seen a brawl where a crime was committed since zuffa has owned it?
UFC 45 Tank Abbott and his camp vs. Cabbage Correria and his camp after there fight was stopped due to a cut. There was a brawl that involved both parties and Chuck Liddell somehow ended up in the mix trying to break it up. There were bottles, shoves, and some punches thrown. All that you need to warrant an actual crime is something as little as being spit on (simple battery).
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He was probably still watching Barney when this brawl happened, it's no suprise he missed it.
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UFC 45 Tank Abbott and his camp vs. Cabbage Correria and his camp after there fight was stopped due to a cut. There was a brawl that involved both parties and Chuck Liddell somehow ended up in the mix trying to break it up. There were bottles, shoves, and some punches thrown. All that you need to warrant an actual crime is something as little as being spit on (simple battery).
Thanks for attempting to answer, but apparently you didn't understand my original question or misunderstood. I was talking to BF but since you wanted to chime in I will school you too. Please read the entire thread before trying to prove me wrong. I didn't ask about PPV did I? I asked about TV.
The fight you mentioned was on PPV. Huge difference. This was FREE Television on Saturday night. Again, Apples and Oranges.
Why is it the UFC can put on more FREE shows then Strikeforce, and never once have they had this problem?
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He was probably still watching Barney when this brawl happened, it's no suprise he missed it.
Are trying to defend Strikeforce? Do you think these types of post event assaults/fights are good for the growth of the sport?
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I can assure you that I did not report you. I actually enjoy the debates on here....passes time at work. This board is dead a lot of the time. I would not discourage ANY type of debate.
Moving forward....The UFC has put on over 20+ Free shows over the years without a hitch.
Why can't Strikeforce pull of at least half that without a hitch?
You just owned yourself pretty bad with that statement there.
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You stated the UFC doesn't put on many free shows as the reason they don't have brawls like Stirkeforce did? Please explain that statement?
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Thanks for attempting to answer, but apparently you didn't understand my original question or misunderstood.
When in the UFC have you seen a brawl where a crime was committed since zuffa has owned it?
This was your question word for word, I answered it. Quit trying to weasel your way out of being proved wrong ball hugging TUF newb. Zuffa owned the UFC at that time, which was the only specific listed in that question.
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When in the UFC have you seen a brawl where a crime was committed since zuffa has owned it?
This was your question word for word, I answered it. Quit trying to weasel your way out of being proved wrong ball hugging TUF newb. Zuffa owned the UFC at that time, which was the only specific listed in that question.
Reference my original conversation with BF. Please, pick your own battles to avoid looking like a chump.
I originally stated Television in my conversation if you read the thread. Nice try.
Regardless, Strikeforce dug their own grave Saturday night. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Argue all you want. Comparing Strikeforce to the UFC is laughable. Keep fighting it though. You can be an 'OG' in the MMA world if you want to be. UFC runs MMA...plain and simple.
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Reference my original conversation with BF. Please, pick your own battles to avoid looking like a chump.
I originally stated Television in my conversation if you read the thread. Nice try.
Regardless, Strikeforce dug their own grave Saturday night. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Argue all you want. Comparing Strikeforce to the UFC is laughable. Keep fighting it though. You can be an 'OG' in the MMA world if you want to be. UFC runs MMA...plain and simple.
your whole existence is around the UFC... ;D
You are not a true fan of MMA
You are true UFC guy
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your whole existence is around the UFC... ;D
You are not a true fan of MMA
You are true UFC guy
I like watching all good MMA that represents the sport well. Unfortunately, the last Strikeforce event was a disgrace. You had bad commentary, poor quality fights, and a barbaric, unprofessional brawl at the end.
Can't get much worse can you?
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Who cares what I watch anyways.....Really?
Maybe if you could post some facts for once all of your posts might not get deleted.
Seriously...try to post some facts for a change.
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There NEVER has been a brawl on Live television. Always twisting it huh.
Who is tired of who? Your posts are the ones getting deleted. AHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHHA :o
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Here was the question as I asked it first. Notice I did not say PPV? Clear as day. You have selective memory huh? Internet does not lie. It is back earlier in the thread.
We can debate about the quality of orgs and fights all day long.
What is fact is that Strikeforce allowed literal CRIMES to be committed IN THE CAGE Saturday night on NETWORK TV. That is embarrassing and disgraceful to
When has the UFC allowed a CRIME to be committed IN THE CAGE on Television?
Once again you have proved nothing. Please try again :o :o :o ::) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
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Once again you have proved nothing. Please try again :o :o :o ::) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
Alright,
I'm conviced, weightpshr is Bluto. He's just as dumb and just as delusional.
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Alright,
I'm conviced, weightpshr is Bluto. He's just as dumb and just as delusional.
LOL..
Why is it when I back you into a corner, you always have to claim I am Bluto or just dodge what I have been calling you out on?
So any luck proving me wrong on the Rampage successfully being sued? You do remember saying he was successfully sued right?
Or let me guess...you will tell me to go look it up myself.
You go on here saying how you know so much...shut me up. Prove me wrong. :o
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Weight- either get an avatar or stfu.
Just my 2 cents.
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Weight- either get an avatar or stfu.
Just my 2 cents.
LOL ::)
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Why is it when I back you into a corner, you always have to claim I am Bluto or just dodge what I have been calling you out on?
In reality, I answered this question that you so confidently asked that you felt it neccessary to put it in BOLD-When in the UFC have you seen a brawl where a crime was committed since zuffa has owned it?[/
Then you start adding all kinds of other wording to the question, or just playing down the fact that the question was answered and you were proved wrong, so, in typical Bluto fashion, you continue to ignore the fact that there is other people here that can plainly see you've been shut down (becuase it's true), and your delusional TUF newb mindset blinds your boundry between reality and TUF newb fantasyland. When you get this bad, that's when I call you Bluto.
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In reality, I answered this question that you so confidently asked that you felt it neccessary to put it in BOLD-When in the UFC have you seen a brawl where a crime was committed since zuffa has owned it?[/
Then you start adding all kinds of other wording to the question, or just playing down the fact that the question was answered and you were proved wrong, so, in typical Bluto fashion, you continue to ignore the fact that there is other people here that can plainly see you've been shut down (becuase it's true), and your delusional TUF newb mindset blinds your boundry between reality and TUF newb fantasyland. When you get this bad, that's when I call you Bluto.
I love how you fail to mention that the original question was asked differently a few posts up and it was directed at BezerFury, He knew what I was asking.
If that is the only way a 'vet' like yourself can try to discredit me...well then that speaks for itself.
One again no proof to your accusations or statements regarding Rampage. Are you still saying he was ever charged or accused of DUI? Killing a baby? I guess you 'vets' would call it TUFnebwOWNED :o
I will be waiting....
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If that is the only way a 'vet' like yourself can try to discredit me...well then that speaks for itself.
Yep, god forbid I use your own words that you posted against you.
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Yep, god forbid I use your own words that you posted against you.
This is what I asked and typed first to BF: I have changed nothing. It is at the beginning of the thread.
Please don't pick and choose parts of another discussion. You make yourself look silly. Really.
Nothing in the post says PPV does it?
We can debate about the quality of orgs and fights all day long.
What is fact is that Strikeforce allowed literal CRIMES to be committed IN THE CAGE Saturday night on NETWORK TV. That is embarrassing and disgraceful to the sport.
When has the UFC allowed a CRIME to be committed IN THE CAGE on Television?
How you coming along proving your other false accusations?
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Forget it.
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Forget it.
I personally don't mind the debates, but once again, a thread gets destroyed by Bezerk's posting of lies and nonsense.
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What lies and nonsense, you sniveling little gimmick? You were bitch slapped all over this thread and now you're trying to save face. Yesterday you hadn't even heard of the Rampage incident so stop acting like you're an authority on it. The funniest thing is that you claim to be an "MMA fan who has watched it for years" and yet you had no idea this even happened, and it came at a time when Rampage was on top of the MMA world. That tells me that you're either incredibly retarded or lying; I'm guessing both. Fact of the matter is that Rampage was indeed charged with crimes, plea bargained his way out of jail time thanks to his celebrity status, and then was sued by the woman, ultimately settling out of court for an undisclosed amount.
Deny it all you want (like you will) but it doesn't matter. You are the biggest joke on this board and I doubt anyone cares about whether or not someone who hadn't even heard of this event until yesterday believes it or not.
You stating that Rampage settled or was successfully sued is one more fabricated lie. I am calling you out on this :o
Show me where I said I hadn't heard of this event? Come on....do you really think I hadn't heard of this?
I never said Rampage didn't commit any crimes. I stated that they were not as serious as DUI and Killing a baby.
Originally I asked proof of the killing a baby accusations etc. because they were exaggerated and untrue.
Show me the proof that Rampage settled or was successfully sued?
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Don't try to claim that you had any idea of what happened when you were completely clueless yesterday. I've realized that you're a chronic liar who feigns intelligence and spins arguments anytime you get proven wrong. Kind of sad, really.
Still can't find anything huh?
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Find what? There are dozens upon dozens of articles all over the internet about the incident, from when it happened, to when he was charged and onward to the lawsuit. I don't even know what you're arguing about because you seem to be under the assumption that nothing happened because you're a braindead UFC fanboy.
Go ahead and tell us again how there are no scumbags in the UFC. That was the funniest thing I've ever read. Almost as funny as you claiming to be a longtime MMA fan and not knowing about the Tank Abbott brawl. :D
Show me proof that Rampage settled or was successfully sued if they are all over the internet.
Should be easy for you.
You did state this several times. Remember?
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There you go making shit up.
This is what I first replied with in the other thread. Keep trying. You are making yourself looks real silly.
Quote from: *ChuteBoxe* on April 18, 2010, 01:42:52 PM
I agree, Rampage can get trashed and then go for a drive and kill a baby, then run from the police, but there is no place in the UFC for guys like King Mo. He'll be there one day, him and Page hate each other. There is a video of them talking shit to each other in a van. King Mo is outspoken and a showman, plus he's got actual skill and he shows improvement in every fight. He really hasn't done anything that bad, other than show he has a personality.
If Rampage killed a baby why was he never charged? What do you mean on Rampage being 'trashed'?
Tito and Rampage are part of the History of the sport. They have done a lot for the sport of MMA. They had there MMA 'personalities' way before MMA became mainstream.
Even Kimbo cleaned up his attitude to make it into the UFC. There is no room for any more 'bad attitudes' in a credible org.
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He did not plead guilty to/or was ever accused of murder or dui. KILLING the baby as was posted. That was what I was arguing about. The LIES you posted earlier. Remember. We have already discussed what he actually pleaded to earlier. Far different than what you made him out to be.
You also stated that he was successfully sued and settled. Where is the proof. I am calling you a lier.
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Yes, he was accused of murder and driving under the influence. Was he charged? No, as there wasn't enough evidence to convict. There's a glaring difference but you won't acknowledge that in your quest to defend the UFC. Embarrassing, really. ::)
What's a "lier"? Nice Engrish. Stupid and uneducated. Quite the combination.
He was never arrested or accused of either. You are wrong.
Where is the successful settlement proof?
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Yes, he was accused. He was not charged. Those are two different things. You fail to see that because you're uneducated garbage and your vision is so clouded by your homosexual UFC fanboy lust that it doesn't matter.
In the end, you're uneducated trash and a flat out liar. Congrats on picking up MMA six months ago and acting like you know what you're talking about.
A scuffle in the Strikeforce cage versus a UFC superstar rampaging around town in his truck and being charged with multiple felonies while also being suspected of murdering a fetus and being under the influence. I wonder which is worse? ::)
Where is the successful settlement proof?
I will take the lack of proof as your admittance of being wrong.
If I am a TUFnewb then are you going to stand to be TUFnewbOWNED by me?
I will ALWAYS catch your lies. Remember that. LOL ;D
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QFT
Rampage is an individual that acted inappropriately.
The Strikeforce brawl was shown LIVE in front of 2+ million viewers on CBS/National TV.
What promotion took the bigger hit? You can decide for yourself.
Ultimately, the UFC seems to have recovered nicely :o
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It's clear that you're just hating on Strikeforce and want to see their demise.
There is only so much control a large production and organisation such as Strikeforce and the UFC can have over its individuals. Just because we haven't seen anything directly comparable in the UFC, it doesn't mean it can't happen or won't happen in the future. We've seen the unsportsman like conduct from Brock Lesnar in UFC 100. Had someone fueled him even more, shit could of been ignited. Also, if you watch the Ultimate Fighter, plenty of lawsuit worthy antics go down, and that kinda stuff is encouraged for ratings and marketing. So, you can't say with affirmation that the UFC has such immunity.
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It's clear that you're just hating on Strikeforce and want to see their demise.
There is only so much control a large production and organisation such as Strikeforce and the UFC can have over its individuals. Just because we haven't seen anything directly comparable in the UFC, it doesn't mean it can't happen or won't happen in the future. We've seen the unsportsman like conduct from Brock Lesnar in UFC 100. Had someone fueled him even more, shit could of been ignited. Also, if you watch the Ultimate Fighter, plenty of lawsuit worthy antics go down, and that kinda stuff is encouraged for ratings and marketing. So, you can't say with affirmation that the UFC has such immunity.
This started because I stated that I didn't think that the Strikeforce event this past Saturday was that great. A feeling that is shared by many MMA fans. A dismal card, plus the brawl at the end is not good for the sport on National TV.
TUF show is on its 11th season. It is a reality show that is highly successful. Huge difference.
Strikeforce is a new org. that as it seemed Saturday night, is struggling to make it. When you are a new org in a market that is dominated by a large org like the UFC, there is little room for error. Strikeforce had HUGE errors on Saturday night.
You are right, the UFC is not immune to this stuff, but they have a track record to prove there worth.
Unfortunately for Strikeforce, they do not. You only get so many chances in this business.
If Strikeforce can put on good shows and represent the sport well, then I support them.
As it stands now, it is very hard for me to respect them as I once did.