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And these are the people who america gives over 30 BILLION per year to
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister to New Statesman magazine on June 25, 1982
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And these are the people who america gives over 30 BILLION per year to
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister to New Statesman magazine on June 25, 1982
is that 2nd quote authentic?
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is that 2nd quote authentic?
Both thoughts/opinions are authentic
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Both thoughts/opinions are authentic
I asked if the 2nd quote was authentic
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I asked if the 2nd quote was authentic
The word BOTH means to includes the two. So in saying both are authentic, that mean the first and second comment are factual.
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Where do they come from?
And no links to some dodgy 3rd rate CT web page please
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Is this where you get your info?
InfoPal - The Independent Palestinian Information Network
A subsidiary of PalVision Ltd., P.O.Box 25658, Nicosia, Cyprus
Telefax +44-870-131-2672,
Email: info@palvision.net
In Palestine:info@infopal.org
http://www.wrmea.com/html/newsitem_s.htm
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Besides, that would be Ariel's view. Peres, nor Netanyahu have ever echoed such sentiment.
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The word BOTH means to includes the two. So in saying both are authentic, that mean the first and second comment are factual.
I asked if the "quote" was authentic
you answered that both "thoughts/opinions" are authentic
how about the actual quote
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Where do they come from?
And no links to some dodgy 3rd rate CT web page please
Retard...Did you not see the article came from the NEW STATESMEN magazine??? I even included the month and year of the issue that the comment was made in... you must be an american.
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Is this where you get your info?
InfoPal - The Independent Palestinian Information Network
A subsidiary of PalVision Ltd., P.O.Box 25658, Nicosia, Cyprus
Telefax +44-870-131-2672,
Email: info@palvision.net
In Palestine:info@infopal.org
http://www.wrmea.com/html/newsitem_s.htm
WTF is this????
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I asked if the "quote" was authentic
you answered that both "thoughts/opinions" are authentic
how about the actual quote
That is the actual quote dumb ass...Why don't you contact the new statesman and have them send you a copy of that year and months issue.
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Retard...Did you not see the article came from the NEW STATESMEN magazine??? I even included the month and year of the issue that the comment was made in... you must be an american.
SATAN 123
I asked you for a link you could have typed this your self and no I am not a Yank you know where I come from.
Where do you come from what do you stand for ???
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That is the actual quote dumb ass...Why don't you contact the new statesman and have them send you a copy of that year and months issue.
guess what dumbass - I spent some time looking before I asked you and couldn't find anything to prove it was true.
I did find this - though I didn't link it because I wanted to see if you could show me where the quote came from first:
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http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100413141002AAJyjCv
[Check your source. Menachem Begin never said this and there is no factual basis for that quote. When we searched for the quote, we found that it looped back to the same text by Texe Marrs, who does not say that he is quoting Begin.
Further research at this site showed that the quote was attributed to "Amnon Kapeliouk's article "Begin and the Beasts" (New Statesman, June 25, 1982) which was infamous for having misrepresented some remarks Menachem Begin said in a speech to the Knesset, and there are legitimate sources all over the net that make reference to that incident.
However, the misrepresented quote is not the one cited ("Our race is the Master Race", etc.), but another one entirely (see below). Clearly, someone invented the "Master Race" quote and then tacked on Amnon Kapeliouk as the source, to give it credibility. However, even the REAL (and far less offensive) quote has now been proven to have been misrepresented by Kapeliouk.
The REAL story involving Kapeliouk's article is provided by a media-watch group called CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America), which regularly debunks bogus news reports and misquotes.
Here:
...Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute the derogation of Palestinians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:
Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts, "New Statesman, June 25, 1982
Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:
For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanize the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs
However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was referring not to "the Palestinians" in a general sense but very specifically, he was referring to terrorists who target children within Israel...Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception...
I hope that helps.
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I really don't think such prominent people would be dumb enough to say these things on the record, interested in some verifiable sources.
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I really don't think such prominent people would be dumb enough to say these things on the record, interested in some verifiable sources.
yep - that was my first thought too
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SAMSON..
pwnd again..
by himself..
again..
lol ;D
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SAMSON..
pwnd again..
by himself..
again..
lol ;D
He makes a decent post here and there but posts a lot of easily debunked things as fact, destroys his credibility. I wonder if he is actually jaguar?
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He makes a decent post here and there but posts a lot of easily debunked things as fact, destroys his credibility. I wonder if he is actually jaguar?
don't move.. one more step and you'll be as bad as he is
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guess what dumbass - I spent some time looking before I asked you and couldn't find anything to prove it was true.
I did find this - though I didn't link it because I wanted to see if you could show me where the quote came from first:
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http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100413141002AAJyjCv
Hello Dumbass...again
I got it from the New Statesman... for the third fucking time. Try asking for the particular year and month of the magazine so you can see the quote yourself. And please don't post these idiotic yahoo answer links thinking that it is credible proof of anything. Someone took the quote from the Statesman and then posted it on Yahoo answers and another poster offered his opinion on the matter which is what you are trying to present as proof of you having researched something..GMAFB already clown. His yahoo answers post is trying to downplay what was actually said by this scum bag Begin as well as trying to attribute it to Amnon Kapeliouk. After Begin made this remark, great lengths were gone through to try and undue this gross comment as it showed his contempt for the Palestinians and his absolute disregard for any peace treaty or even consideration of the Palestinians as people. Not ironically the same YENTAS are still fighting the Palestinians today, killing them in mass and they are still making the same comments that the Palestinians are terrorists, inhuman and should be exterminated etc etc. Is that a wall built in Israhell like the Germans built???? Who are the YENTAS separating themselves from and why? Doesn't goyim mean cattle?...you know ...that other four legged beast.
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SAMSON..
pwnd again..
by himself..
again..
lol ;D
Still mad because you live in that Baltimore ghetto?...Pull yourself up by your boot straps man and improve yourself.
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Hello Dumbass...again
I got it from the New Statesman... for the third fucking time. Try asking for the particular year and month of the magazine so you can see the quote yourself. And please don't post these idiotic yahoo answer links thinking that it is credible proof of anything. Someone took the quote from the Statesman and then posted it on Yahoo answers and another poster offered his opinion on the matter which is what you are trying to present as proof of you having researched something..GMAFB already clown. His yahoo answers post is trying to downplay what was actually said by this scum bag Begin as well as trying to attribute it to Amnon Kapeliouk. After Begin made this remark, great lengths were gone through to try and undue this gross comment as it showed his contempt for the Palestinians and his absolute disregard for any peace treaty or even consideration of the Palestinians as people. Not ironically the same YENTAS are still fighting the Palestinians today, killing them in mass and they are still making the same comments that the Palestinians are terrorists, inhuman and should be exterminated etc etc. Is that a wall built in Israhell like the Germans built???? Who are the YENTAS separating themselves from and why? Doesn't goyim mean cattle?...you know ...that other four legged beast.
I didn't say it was proof of anything. I said it was all I could find online.
since you say you got the quote from the magazine does that mean you have a copy of the magazine?
btw - even if you have the magazine (which I'm guessing you don't) it doesn't make it an authentic quote does it?
If you found it online then stop being coy and just post the link where you found it
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I didn't say it was proof of anything. I said it was all I could find online.
since you say you got the quote from the magazine does that mean you have a copy of the magazine?
btw - even if you have the magazine (which I'm guessing you don't) it doesn't make it an authentic quote does it?
If you found it online then stop being coy and just post the link where you found it
Yeah
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every religion has it's bat shit fundies but the question I have it whether the 2nd quote is really by Menachem Begin and I can find nothing to support it. That quote is so over the top nutty that if it were real one would expect to not only find the quote but also plenty of response/reaction at the time
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every religion has it's bat shit fundies but the question I have it whether the 2nd quote is really by Menachem Begin and I can find nothing to support it. That quote is so over the top nutty that if it were real one would expect to not only find the quote but also plenty of response/reaction at the time
I never said anything about religion, nor have I read much about it in zionist writings. Religion didn't seem to be much of a main point whatsoever in their writings. As I said, I don't know anything about the second quote, I'm not vouching for it so I don't know what you want me to say there.. My post was nothing but an honest recounting of what I've found out, nothing more, nothing less
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GREAT POST HUGO
It doesn't take an Einstein to see that the comment made by Begin fits right in with the Israeli mindset and attitude toward Arabs in general and particularly with the Palestinians. Right before the Palestinians were the target of Israhells aggression it was the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Jordanians and pretty much every other nation and people in the Middle East. The vile comments and murderous actions of these Israelis is well documented in books, movies, videos, news etc etc, so it is not a far reach to believe what was quoted in the New Statesman by Menachim Begin was true, even if you did not hear when he made the remark. What we have on this board are those who are zionist-like trying to protect Israhell at all costs. I have hand walked people through so many topics on this board it is not funny, posted movies, free books, vids, documentaries, news articles yadda yadda and after it all that they still refused to accept the truth and even dismissed the research/researchers/institutions/links/articles.
You can find these quotes on various message boards, comment sections of articles from that time period, in archives and various other sites...and as I said to those who wish to argue they can contact the New Statesman and see if they can get a copy of that years and month's issue of the mag (I have a feeling though now with all of the attention it may suddenly NOT BE AVAILABLE). THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE either have the magazine, heard the quote (which was spoken in Yiddish) or remember the fallout and attempted cover up of this matter after the comment was published. Some tried dissecting it to death claiming the translation/translator made a mistake in what Begin said, tried attributing it to another person, claimed it was said in secrecy and was leaked yadda yadda. The point is the Israelis make no bones about the way they feel toward the rest of the worlds people...the self chosen yentas they are would be wise to re-read the Bible, Torah, Books of Moses to see they are NOT the CHOSEN PEOPLE.
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I never said anything about religion, nor have I read much about it in zionist writings. Religion didn't seem to be much of a main point whatsoever in their writings. As I said, I don't know anything about the second quote, I'm not vouching for it so I don't know what you want me to say there.. My post was nothing but an honest recounting of what I've found out, nothing more, nothing less
zionist have nothing to do with the Jewish religion?
my only interest in this thread is whether that quote is authentic and I've seen nothing to support that it is
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every religion has it's bat shit fundies but the question I have it whether the 2nd quote is really by Menachem Begin and I can find nothing to support it. That quote is so over the top nutty that if it were real one would expect to not only find the quote but also plenty of response/reaction at the time
The quote is NOT over the top neither is is nutty and there are plenty of comments on the internet message boards, chat rooms, websites. As I said after Begin made the comment the attempted retractions and clean up started immediately. The scum that he was like the scum Netanyahu continue to make these inflammatory remarks on a daily basis. This has NOTHING to do with religion and certainly do NOT compare any other people's religious belief with these NUT JOBS in Israhell as a way of trying to deflect attention away from the mindset of those calling themselves jews. They foolishly think they are CHOSEN and therefore think they have the right to exterminate the world (if possible) because they are special....They are special alright...special as in SPECIAL EDUCATION!!!
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GREAT POST HUGO
It doesn't take an Einstein to see that the comment made by Begin fits right in with the Israeli mindset and attitude toward Arabs in general and particularly with the Palestinians. Right before the Palestinians were the target of Israhells aggression it was the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Jordanians and pretty much every other nation and people in the Middle East. The vile comments and murderous actions of these Israelis is well documented in books, movies, videos, news etc etc, so it is not a far reach to believe what was quoted in the New Statesman by Menachim Begin was true, even if you did not hear when he made the remark. What we have on this board are those who are zionist-like trying to protect Israhell at all costs. I have hand walked people through so many topics on this board it is not funny, posted movies, free books, vids, documentaries, news articles yadda yadda and after it all that they still refused to accept the truth and even dismissed the research/researchers/institutions/links/articles.
You can find these quotes on various message boards, comment sections of articles from that time period, in archives and various other sites...and as I said to those who wish to argue they can contact the New Statesman and see if they can get a copy of that years and month's issue of the mag (I have a feeling though now with all of the attention it may suddenly NOT BE AVAILABLE). THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE either have the magazine, heard the quote (which was spoken in Yiddish) or remember the fallout and attempted cover up of this matter after the comment was published. Some tried dissecting it to death claiming the translation/translator made a mistake in what Begin said, tried attributing it to another person, claimed it was said in secrecy and was leaked yadda yadda. The point is the Israelis make no bones about the way they feel toward the rest of the worlds people...the self chosen yentas they are would be wise to re-read the Bible, Torah, Books of Moses to see they are NOT the CHOSEN PEOPLE.
simple request
post the link where you found the quote
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simple request
post the link where you found the quote
Here... http://www.newstatesman.com/
Now do the research
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that's just the main page of a website
post the link where you found the quote
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Samson - here is how you do a link:
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=21&x_article=775
Investigation--Example 2: Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute this derogation of Palestnians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:
Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982
Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:
For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanise the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs".
However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel.
On June 8, 1982, Begin addressed the Knesset in response to a no-confidence motion over Israel's invasion of Lebanon. He talked about defending the children of Israel, and according to a June 9, 1982 AP report, “his voice quaver[ed] with anger and sadness.” According to the minutes of the session, Begin stated:
The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.
Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception.
Summary: Distortion by an Israeli critic of a Begin speech discussing terrorism and terrorists
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Still mad because you live in that Baltimore ghetto?...Pull yourself up by your boot straps man and improve yourself.
still mad you never learned how to read?
i dont live in baltimore and never have
for the 90th time
try posting a thread with credible links and sources, moron
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And these are the people who america gives over 30 BILLION per year to
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister to New Statesman magazine on June 25, 1982
Well …it appears you've been duped by a fake quote
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try posting a thread with credible links and sources, moron
Conspiracy theorists need hysteria, hatred and fear not reliable sources.
Much more powerfull
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zionist have nothing to do with the Jewish religion?
my only interest in this thread is whether that quote is authentic and I've seen nothing to support that it is
I never said that either, I said exactly what I said, not what you just said. If your only interest in the thread is to see the quote authentic, why reply to me when I said I don't know about the second quote? The second post sounds odd using the words "master race" is unlikely. Not impossible, but I doubt it. I don't much care about the second quote.
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lots of clips on youtube showing muslim clerics saying same thing. christians and hindus too so what. go away ur dumb
Nice video of Muslim cleric aims to seize world through nuclear weapon use and how muslims are superior to all. the jizyah all non muslims pay shows how most muslims feel about non muslims
-El Chapo
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Samson - here is how you do a link:
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=21&x_article=775
Investigation--Example 2: Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute this derogation of Palestnians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:
Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982
Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:
For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanise the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs".
However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel.
On June 8, 1982, Begin addressed the Knesset in response to a no-confidence motion over Israel's invasion of Lebanon. He talked about defending the children of Israel, and according to a June 9, 1982 AP report, “his voice quaver[ed] with anger and sadness.” According to the minutes of the session, Begin stated:
The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.
Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception.
Summary: Distortion by an Israeli critic of a Begin speech discussing terrorism and terrorists
Why on earth would and Israeli: Kapeliouk, distort something being said by another Israeli: Begin????? If this had been a Palestinian distorting something said by an Israeli...I might give it credence, but two Israelis???...Not happening. The reason for Kapeliouk not recanting or apologizing is because he reported EXACTLY what was said and is standing by it. The speech (audio) by Begin was in Yiddish and was on another site until it MYSTERIOUSLY disappeared. The argument about what Begin said was claimed to be an interpreters mistake...yeah right. Funny how the speech my Ahmandinejad where he never said anywhere in it that he wants Isarael blow off the face of the earth...suddenly became just that by ISRAELI INTERPRETERS. Since that translation, neither the american media, European media and certainly not the Israhell media has ever corrected themselves by saying the Israeli interpreter gave a WRONG translation of what Mr. Ahmandinejad said. The LIE that he said blow israel off the map is still being harped on to this day. His speech has been reanalyzed over and over with the true message being to wipe out the ZIONIST from off of the face of the earth, yet no where is that reported. However this character, religious and racial distortion by the Israelis towards the Arabs fits right into their pattern of behavior and games and shows in their comments and actions
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can samsong prove his quote or is he lyin again. he back pedals like adonis in the mindspin thread
-El Chapo
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lots of clips on youtube showing muslim clerics saying same thing. christians and hindus too so what. go away ur dumb
Nice video of Muslim cleric aims to seize world through nuclear weapon use and how muslims are superior to all. the jizyah all non muslims pay shows how most muslims feel about non muslims
-El Chapo
Hello Berzerk
How long are you going to try and hide behind that El Chapo bullshit name? I outed you already
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less typing more excuses liar
-El Chapo
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less typing more excuses liar
-El Chapo
Is your 30 day ban over yet?
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Is your 30 day ban over yet?
so you wont give the quote and will now lie more
-El Chapo
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so you wont give the quote and will now lie more
-El Chapo aka EL BERZERKFURY, EL LOSER, EL I WORSHIP LUKE, EL I AM BANNED FOR 30 DAYS
Fixed for you...hahahahahahahahaha
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SAMSON123 is a notorious liar and fraud, nothing more than a troll against America.
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Samson123, stop reading rense.com. It's bad for your mental health. Neither of those quotes can be directly traced to any accurate primary sources. The second quote you put up there has also been attributed to Jimmy Carter's memoirs, yet could not be found. That alone should say something.
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Samson never quotes from a reliable source or its some hack job article with questionable facts. The guy has zero life experience and hates the US...I'm glad straw is calling his ass out.
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He makes a decent post here and there but posts a lot of easily debunked things as fact, destroys his credibility. I wonder if he is actually jaguar?
You can stop wondering. He is not me. As a staunch vegetarian, I would never continually force myself to have look at a slab of raw meat... no matter how much I disliked someone. Everytime I see his new avatar... I want to vomit. :-X