WOW!!!...Now that I know How You Feel Toward the Rest Of The World

[SAMSON123]

And these are the people who america gives over 30 BILLION per year to

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."  - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
 
 
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."  - Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister to New Statesman magazine on June 25, 1982

[Straw Man]

And these are the people who america gives over 30 BILLION per year to

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."  - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
 
 
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."  - Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister to New Statesman magazine on June 25, 1982

is that 2nd quote authentic?

[SAMSON123]

is that 2nd quote authentic?

Both thoughts/opinions are authentic

[Straw Man]

Both thoughts/opinions are authentic

I asked if the 2nd quote was authentic

[SAMSON123]

I asked if the 2nd quote was authentic

The word BOTH means to includes the two. So in saying both are authentic, that mean the first and second comment are factual.

[powerpack]

Where do they come from?
And no links to some dodgy 3rd rate CT web page please

[dario73]

Is this where you get your info?

InfoPal - The Independent Palestinian Information Network
A subsidiary of PalVision Ltd., P.O.Box 25658, Nicosia, Cyprus
Telefax +44-870-131-2672,
Email: info@palvision.net
In Palestine:info@infopal.org

http://www.wrmea.com/html/newsitem_s.htm

[dario73]

Besides, that would be Ariel's view. Peres, nor Netanyahu have ever echoed such sentiment.

[Straw Man]

The word BOTH means to includes the two. So in saying both are authentic, that mean the first and second comment are factual.

I asked if the "quote" was authentic

you answered that both "thoughts/opinions" are authentic

how about the actual quote

[SAMSON123]

Where do they come from?
And no links to some dodgy 3rd rate CT web page please

Retard...Did you not see the article came from the NEW STATESMEN magazine??? I even included the month and year of the issue that the comment was made in... you must be an american.

[SAMSON123]

Is this where you get your info?

InfoPal - The Independent Palestinian Information Network
A subsidiary of PalVision Ltd., P.O.Box 25658, Nicosia, Cyprus
Telefax +44-870-131-2672,
Email: info@palvision.net
In Palestine:info@infopal.org

http://www.wrmea.com/html/newsitem_s.htm

WTF is this?

[SAMSON123]

I asked if the "quote" was authentic

you answered that both "thoughts/opinions" are authentic

how about the actual quote

That is the actual quote dumb ass...Why don't you contact the new statesman and have them send you a copy of that year and months issue.

[powerpack]

Retard...Did you not see the article came from the NEW STATESMEN magazine??? I even included the month and year of the issue that the comment was made in... you must be an american.

SATAN 123
I asked you for a link you could have typed this your self and no I am not a Yank you know where I come from.
Where do you come from what do you stand for 

[Straw Man]

That is the actual quote dumb ass...Why don't you contact the new statesman and have them send you a copy of that year and months issue.

guess what dumbass - I spent some time looking before I asked you and couldn't find anything to prove it was true.
I did find this - though I didn't link it because I wanted to see if you could show me where the quote came from first:

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http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100413141002AAJyjCv

[Check your source. Menachem Begin never said this and there is no factual basis for that quote. When we searched for the quote, we found that it looped back to the same text by Texe Marrs, who does not say that he is quoting Begin.

Further research at this site showed that the quote was attributed to "Amnon Kapeliouk's article "Begin and the Beasts" (New Statesman, June 25, 1982) which was infamous for having misrepresented some remarks Menachem Begin said in a speech to the Knesset, and there are legitimate sources all over the net that make reference to that incident.

However, the misrepresented quote is not the one cited ("Our race is the Master Race", etc.), but another one entirely (see below). Clearly, someone invented the "Master Race" quote and then tacked on Amnon Kapeliouk as the source, to give it credibility. However, even the REAL (and far less offensive) quote has now been proven to have been misrepresented by Kapeliouk.

The REAL story involving Kapeliouk's article is provided by a media-watch group called CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America), which regularly debunks bogus news reports and misquotes.

Here:

...Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute the derogation of Palestinians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:

Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts, "New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:

For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanize the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was referring not to "the Palestinians" in a general sense but very specifically, he was referring to terrorists who target children within Israel...Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception...

I hope that helps.

[Stormspirit]

I really don't think such prominent people would be dumb enough to say these things on the record, interested in some verifiable sources.

[Straw Man]

I really don't think such prominent people would be dumb enough to say these things on the record, interested in some verifiable sources.

yep - that was my first thought too

[Brixtonbulldog]

SAMSON..

pwnd again..

by himself..

again..

lol

[Stormspirit]

SAMSON..

pwnd again..

by himself..

again..

lol

He makes a decent post here and there but posts a lot of easily debunked things as fact, destroys his credibility.  I wonder if he is actually jaguar?

[Brixtonbulldog]

He makes a decent post here and there but posts a lot of easily debunked things as fact, destroys his credibility.  I wonder if he is actually jaguar?

don't move.. one more step and you'll be as bad as he is

[SAMSON123]

guess what dumbass - I spent some time looking before I asked you and couldn't find anything to prove it was true.
I did find this - though I didn't link it because I wanted to see if you could show me where the quote came from first:

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http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100413141002AAJyjCv

Hello Dumbass...again

I got it from the New Statesman... for the third fucking time. Try asking for the particular year and month of the magazine so you can see the quote yourself. And please don't post these idiotic yahoo answer links thinking that it is credible proof of anything. Someone took the quote from the Statesman and then posted it on Yahoo answers and another poster offered his opinion on the matter which is what you are trying to present  as proof of you having researched something..GMAFB already clown. His yahoo answers post is trying to downplay what was actually said by this scum bag Begin as well as trying to attribute it to Amnon Kapeliouk. After Begin made this remark, great lengths were gone through to try and undue this gross comment as it showed his contempt for the Palestinians and his absolute disregard for any peace treaty or even consideration of the Palestinians as people. Not ironically the same YENTAS are still fighting the Palestinians today, killing them in mass and they are still making the same comments that the Palestinians are terrorists, inhuman and should be exterminated etc etc. Is that a wall built in Israhell like the Germans built? Who are the YENTAS separating themselves from and why? Doesn't goyim mean cattle?...you know ...that other four legged beast.

[SAMSON123]

SAMSON..

pwnd again..

by himself..

again..

lol

Still mad because you live in that Baltimore ghetto?...Pull yourself up by your boot straps man and improve yourself.

[Straw Man]

Hello Dumbass...again

I got it from the New Statesman... for the third fucking time. Try asking for the particular year and month of the magazine so you can see the quote yourself. And please don't post these idiotic yahoo answer links thinking that it is credible proof of anything. Someone took the quote from the Statesman and then posted it on Yahoo answers and another poster offered his opinion on the matter which is what you are trying to present  as proof of you having researched something..GMAFB already clown. His yahoo answers post is trying to downplay what was actually said by this scum bag Begin as well as trying to attribute it to Amnon Kapeliouk. After Begin made this remark, great lengths were gone through to try and undue this gross comment as it showed his contempt for the Palestinians and his absolute disregard for any peace treaty or even consideration of the Palestinians as people. Not ironically the same YENTAS are still fighting the Palestinians today, killing them in mass and they are still making the same comments that the Palestinians are terrorists, inhuman and should be exterminated etc etc. Is that a wall built in Israhell like the Germans built? Who are the YENTAS separating themselves from and why? Doesn't goyim mean cattle?...you know ...that other four legged beast.

I didn't say it was proof of anything.  I said it was all I could find online.

since you say you got the quote from the magazine does that mean you have a copy of the magazine?

btw - even if you have the magazine (which I'm guessing you don't) it doesn't make it an authentic quote does it?

If you found it online then stop being coy and just post the link where you found it

[powerpack]

I didn't say it was proof of anything.  I said it was all I could find online.

since you say you got the quote from the magazine does that mean you have a copy of the magazine?

btw - even if you have the magazine (which I'm guessing you don't) it doesn't make it an authentic quote does it?

If you found it online then stop being coy and just post the link where you found it

Yeah

[Straw Man]

every religion has it's bat shit fundies but the question I have it whether the 2nd quote is really by Menachem Begin and I can find nothing to support it.  That quote is so over the top nutty that if it were real one would expect to not only find the quote but also plenty of response/reaction at the time

[Hugo Chavez]

every religion has it's bat shit fundies but the question I have it whether the 2nd quote is really by Menachem Begin and I can find nothing to support it.  That quote is so over the top nutty that if it were real one would expect to not only find the quote but also plenty of response/reaction at the time

I never said anything about religion, nor have I read much about it in zionist writings.  Religion didn't seem to be much of a main point whatsoever in their writings.  As I said, I don't know anything about the second quote, I'm not vouching for it so I don't know what you want me to say there..  My post was nothing but an honest recounting of what I've found out, nothing more, nothing less