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Straight from the horses mouth
TESTOSTERONE: 1200mg per week
DECA: 600mg per week
PARABOLIN 76mg amp 3x per week
WINSTROL 50mg every other day
HALOTESTIN 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
TESLAC 20pills per day (anti-aromatase)
PROVIRON 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
This was a CONTEST PREP CYCLE........and it was the most I ever used........ After using this, I cut back the testosterone to 1000, the GH to 4IU.......got rid of HALOTESTIN (when trenbolone acetate became more readily available).....got rid of teslac and proviron when Arimidex arrived
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When did this info come about?
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When did this info come about?
He posted in a thread over at rxmuscle yesterday
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=34075
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Straight from the horses mouth
TESTOSTERONE: 1200mg per week
DECA: 600mg per week
PARABOLIN 76mg amp 3x per week
WINSTROL 50mg every other day
HALOTESTIN 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
TESLAC 20pills per day (anti-aromatase)
PROVIRON 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
This was a CONTEST PREP CYCLE........and it was the most I ever used........ After using this, I cut back the testosterone to 1000, the GH to 4IU.......got rid of HALOTESTIN (when trenbolone acetate became more readily available).....got rid of teslac and proviron when Arimidex arrived
what is the street value of all this stuff?
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So avoid this cycle if you wanna avoid Palumboism. :D
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Is what caused his handsome facial appearance?
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It's not even that much. There are amateurs and even hobby BBs taking more.
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It's not even that much. There are amateurs and even hobby BBs taking more.
A sad state of affairs.
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It's not even that much. There are amateurs and even hobby BBs taking more.
Palumbo doens't come across as the most honest dude ever though
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here's my prep cycle
three big mac
one big fries
diet coke
9 nuggets
barbecue sauce
sunday with peanut.
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here's my prep cycle
three big mac
one big fries
diet coke
9 nuggets
barbecue sauce
sunday with peanut.
Fuck yea I like this cycle.
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here's my prep cycle
three big mac
one big fries
diet coke
9 nuggets
barbecue sauce
sunday with peanut.
Maybe that's the reason you look like shit.
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hmmm, Nuggets with Barbecue sauce would be great now tough... :P
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hmmm, Nuggets with Barbecue sauce would be great now tough... :P
barbecue saue is a potent fatting cuting agent
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barbecue saue is a potent fatting cuting agent
Coleman ate barbecue sauce till the last day of his prep.
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Straight from the horses mouth
TESTOSTERONE: 1200mg per week
DECA: 600mg per week
PARABOLIN 76mg amp 3x per week
WINSTROL 50mg every other day
HALOTESTIN 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
TESLAC 20pills per day (anti-aromatase)
PROVIRON 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
This was a CONTEST PREP CYCLE........and it was the most I ever used........ After using this, I cut back the testosterone to 1000, the GH to 4IU.......got rid of HALOTESTIN (when trenbolone acetate became more readily available).....got rid of teslac and proviron when Arimidex arrived
bulk price on black european market (yugoslavia)
6 amp of test = 6.40 euros
3 deca (norma top gear) = 9 euros
3 para = 10 euros
7 winny = 10/14 euros
28 proviron = 10/14 euros
gh/slin = various price
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Coleman ate barbecue sauce till the last day of his prep.
he once say "when i'm on bar-b-q sauce i stop gh and t3".
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Straight from the horses mouth
TESTOSTERONE: 1200mg per week
DECA: 600mg per week
PARABOLIN 76mg amp 3x per week
WINSTROL 50mg every other day
HALOTESTIN 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
TESLAC 20pills per day (anti-aromatase)
PROVIRON 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
This was a CONTEST PREP CYCLE........and it was the most I ever used........ After using this, I cut back the testosterone to 1000, the GH to 4IU.......got rid of HALOTESTIN (when trenbolone acetate became more readily available).....got rid of teslac and proviron when Arimidex arrived
triple that and youre close.
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Straight from the horses mouth
TESTOSTERONE: 1200mg per week
DECA: 600mg per week
PARABOLIN 76mg amp 3x per week
WINSTROL 50mg every other day
HALOTESTIN 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
TESLAC 20pills per day (anti-aromatase)
PROVIRON 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
This was a CONTEST PREP CYCLE........and it was the most I ever used........ After using this, I cut back the testosterone to 1000, the GH to 4IU.......got rid of HALOTESTIN (when trenbolone acetate became more readily available).....got rid of teslac and proviron when Arimidex arrived
dave palumbo is a dishonest scumbag, and tells lies on a daily basis
if you triple or quadruple that testosterone dose, you would probably be somewhere near what he used
and you dont get severe acgromegaly like dave does on 6 ius of growth a day
only a charlatan would believe this, palumbo is the very definition of the "all drugs" competitor
remember he was a dealer as well, so he had enough shit layin around to take whatever the fuck he wanted
he has to give reasonable dosages, because he would be VERY irresponsible to be telling those numbskull followers on his site that 3-4-5 grams a week is acceptable
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triple that and youre close.
exactly
Palumbo is a bullshitter
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if you triple or quadruple that testosterone dose, you would probably be somewhere near what he used
You guys forget he had elite genetics and therefore didn't need huge amounts of drugs. He also ate clean year round. They're just the finishing touch after all. ;)
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You guys forget he had elite genetics and therefore didn't need huge amounts of drugs. He also ate clean year round. They're just the finishing touch after all. ;)
for sure, now with the new species line of supplements..........you dont even need drugs anymore
......i mean, its evolutionary nutrition you know ::) ::)
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You guys forget he had elite genetics and therefore didn't need huge amounts of drugs. He also ate clean year round. They're just the finishing touch after all. ;)
I call bullshit too. I can't remember where Palumbo posted it, but I distinctly remember him saying he wouldn't go lower than a gram of test (off season) otherwise you're wasting your time. I find it hard to believe that for contest prep when you need to hold onto as much muscle as possible he only runs a gram of test.
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I wonder if he took the empty vials and refilled them with milk or water and resold them.
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I thought eating a tad of bbq was good for sodium so you don't cramp up, like a brutal charlie horse in the middle of the night.
Isnt everyones cycle different, because everyone's body is different and reacts differently
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I wonder if he took the empty vials and refilled them with milk or water and resold them.
Yo Keith
would you be willing to tell us what happened when Palumbo guest posed at your show in Hawaii and
caused a major Embarrassment to the military personnel you visited during the trip?
I don't recall you ever explaining exactly what he did
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Isnt everyones cycle different, because everyone's body is different and reacts differently
barring individual differences....its simply a game of escalating dosages
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barring individual differences....its simply a game of escalating dosages
LMAO
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i'm wondering what UG lab Dave uses
btw, total bullshit on him using 4 IU's of GH during contest prep
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barring individual differences....its simply a game of escalating dosages
he is right......there is a lot of physical variation between individuals
but not so much that one pro only has to take 500mgs of testosterone, and another pro has to take 2500mgs
its more like some guys could get away with 1500mgs, while others use 2500mgs
but NEVER be so naive to believe so pro when he tells you he uses 600mgs of cyp, and 300deca for cycle, because they are lying to you
BOTTOM LINE: they are all using LOTS of drugs, and when you see a guy improve after he has already been a upper-level bodybuilder for years......it NOT cause he changed his training or diet
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i'm wondering what UG lab Dave uses
btw, total bullshit on him using 4 IU's of GH during contest prep
i know , he is the poster boy of a guy who used SO much GH that his bone structure actually changed
cut the bullshit dave you f'n liar ::) ::)
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Yo Keith
would you be willing to tell us what happened when Palumbo guest posed at your show in Hawaii and
caused a major Embarrassment to the military personnel you visited during the trip?
I don't recall you ever explaining exactly what he did
The reason I did not tell the story is because I don't know the full story., I personally was not there. But, there was an IFBB official there, the military liaison I had with the Navy, an old business partner and a few personal friends I let go on the tour. It was a tour specially setup for them on the USS Missouri. I got to do alot of things with the Navy and military most don't get to do because of the contacts I have. All I was told was that Dave did something that was embarrassing enough to have the people in charge at the USS Missouri tell my liaison that all further tours were canceled. Also, the IFBB official was so outraged he told me he was a second away from calling Manion and the offices. But, I never dove deeper into what happened. I had alot more things going on than that at the time (like Flex stealing a Ferrari I got him). All I know is some very reputable people told me about it. Something about yelling at someone or something like that, that he shouldn't have yelled at. Here is a photo
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i know , he is the poster boy of a guy who used SO much GH that his bone structure actually changed
cut the bullshit dave you f'n liar ::) ::)
4-6iu's would be alot for me
any guesses on what UG lab he is using?
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4-6iu's would be alot for me
any guesses on what UG lab he is using?
no way dave used UG lab for anything other than stuff like tren and other exotic shit
he had a hg type physique. someone doesnt get to be from what dave pre-bodybuilding twink days to his peak physqiue on UG anything.
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Here is a photo
Cool,
He sounded like a real nightmare to deal with, asking you for $600? to cover his food for a few days on the trip. Who spends $600 on food in 3 days
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no way dave used UG lab for anything other than stuff like tren and other exotic shit
he had a hg type physique. someone doesnt get to be from what dave pre-bodybuilding twink days to his peak physqiue on UG anything.
what the FUCK are you talking about "a human grade type physique"
there is NO such thing, there is only shit thats real, and dosed correctly....and shit that is garbage
just cause something is from a UGL does not mean it is bad......Dave Jacobs had a UGL in his fucking kitchen and was supplying half of the top names in bodybuilding
EVERYONE raved about his shit
please dont make a fool of yourself talking about a "hg type physique".............250mgs of test enanthate made from Organon, is the same a 250mgs of enanthate mixed in my basement
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no way dave used UG lab for anything other than stuff like tren and other exotic shit
he had a hg type physique. someone doesnt get to be from what dave pre-bodybuilding twink days to his peak physqiue on UG anything.
i'm speaking of stuff like the tren
he uses the good HGH (those "ND" blue tops, non of that generic shit) and Human Grade test ...that i don't doubt
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he is right......there is a lot of physical variation between individuals
but not so much that one pro only has to take 500mgs of testosterone, and another pro has to take 2500mgs
its more like some guys could get away with 1500mgs, while others use 2500mgs
but NEVER be so naive to believe so pro when he tells you he uses 600mgs of cyp, and 300deca for cycle, because they are lying to you
BOTTOM LINE: they are all using LOTS of drugs, and when you see a guy improve after he has already been a upper-level bodybuilder for years......it NOT cause he changed his training or diet
i remember my first cycle...1 pill of hemogenin (brazalian anadrol) a day. A buddy ws taking the same amount and i gained around 5 lbs in a month and he blew up like a mofo...put on like 20....he told me he prolly had great genes till i found his stash of sustanon in his fridge....he had been using 750mgs(3 ccs) every 5 days of that as well...... :-\
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Cool,
He sounded like a real nightmare to deal with, asking you for $600? to cover his food for a few days on the trip. Who spends $600 on food in 3 days
Yea well he changed the deal when he got to Hawaii. He said since one of the other guest posers didn't come he should be paid. Our original agreement was the same as the first year. He got paid nothing but I paid for the hotel, airfare and per deim for him and Collette. And that year I even sent him to Maui to do something and he did something over there too. So when he hit me up for the $600 I had to pay him something or he said he would not do anything and then that would have left me with no one. So I gave him half and then gave him a check for the rest when he left and then stopped payment on the check. Oh well too bad. But, on a good note, he is very entertaining on stage with Collette and he is verey smart. But, I know he has attacked me numerous times on his radio show. And the funny thing is if you ask anyone who was at the tour they would make Dave sound really really bad. I just forgot the whole thing, just like the Sean Ray incident. Can't think about things you can't change.
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UN Sung is mostly right - 250mg of test is 250mg. The problem with UG labs (besides the sterility issues) is that noone can be sure of the quality of powders they're using. So, maybe that 250 is 100, or 350 - noone knows.
JNN - there is no such thing as UG HGH - just generics. Some generics are counterfitted more than other though. As far as tren goes, by definition there is no such thing as a human grade version, so whenever you use it, you're taking your chances...
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what the FUCK are you talking about "a human grade type physique"
there is NO such thing, there is only shit thats real, and dosed correctly....and shit that is garbage
just cause something is from a UGL does not mean it is bad......Dave Jacobs had a UGL in his fucking kitchen and was supplying half of the top names in bodybuilding
EVERYONE raved about his shit
please dont make a fool of yourself talking about a "hg type physique".............250mgs of test enanthate made from Organon, is the same a 250mgs of enanthate mixed in my basement
I agree that not all UGL are bad...however a hg pharm company's amp of 250mg will always be dosed correctly. and even your making your own test, you can never be sure if your powder that you have is dosed correctly 100% of the time..thats why you have so many guys on 3-4g's of test a week because they use UGL under dosed shit...if you use legit hg you will never need to go near those doses.
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i remember my first cycle...1 pill of hemogenin (brazalian anadrol) a day. A buddy ws taking the same amount and i gained around 5 lbs in a month and he blew up like a mofo...put on like 20....he told me he prolly had great genes till i found his stash of sustanon in his fridge....he had been using 750mgs(3 ccs) every 5 days of that as well...... :-\
thats the biggest problem when you try to compile actual information on steroid uses and dosages
...EVERYONE LIES
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Yea well he changed the deal when he got to Hawaii. He said since one of the other guest posers didn't come he should be paid. Our original agreement was the same as the first year. He got paid nothing but I paid for the hotel, airfare and per deim for him and Collette. And that year I even sent him to Maui to do something and he did something over there too. So when he hit me up for the $600 I had to pay him something or he said he would not do anything and then that would have left me with no one. So I gave him half and then gave him a check for the rest when he left and then stopped payment on the check. Oh well too bad. But, on a good note, he is very entertaining on stage with Collette and he is verey smart. But, I know he has attacked me numerous times on his radio show. And the funny thing is if you ask anyone who was at the tour they would make Dave sound really really bad. I just forgot the whole thing, just like the Sean Ray incident. Can't think about things you can't change.
Keith, when did this all go down? I see Big Will in the picture. I can ask him what Palumbo did if anyone cares. I assume he was on the tour with the group?
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dave palumbo is a dishonest scumbag, and tells lies on a daily basis
if you triple or quadruple that testosterone dose, you would probably be somewhere near what he used
and you dont get severe acgromegaly like dave does on 6 ius of growth a day
only a charlatan would believe this, palumbo is the very definition of the "all drugs" competitor
remember he was a dealer as well, so he had enough shit layin around to take whatever the fuck he wanted
he has to give reasonable dosages, because he would be VERY irresponsible to be telling those numbskull followers on his site that 3-4-5 grams a week is acceptable
You think 5 different steroids, GH and IGF-1 is a modest cycle?
I believe that's exactly what he took, that is a lot of shit
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You think 5 different steroids, GH and IGF-1 is a modest cycle?
I believe that's exactly what he took, that is a lot of shit
I have no idea what he took, but what he posted seems a bit low. For reference, it's rumored that Jay "the fridge" Cutler as used as much as 20-30IU of GH a day.
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thats the biggest problem when you try to compile actual information on steroid uses and dosages
...EVERYONE LIES
most pros lie.....hell i'd say...ALL pros lie
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Keith, when did this all go down? I see Big Will in the picture. I can ask him what Palumbo did if anyone cares. I assume he was on the tour with the group?
yes he was there. This was in 2003 or 2004
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I have no idea what he took, but what he posted seems a bit low. For reference, it's rumored that Jay "the fridge" Cutler as used as much as 20-30IU of GH a day.
that is probably right...
i mentioned Dave Jacobs, i was listening to an old big nation radio where they were interviewing him, where he said a typical off season test dose was around 3500-5000mgs per week, sometime going much higher
this guy was supplying many of the top pros and giving out drug advice, he knew what pretty much everyone was taking,,,.....and his estimate falls in line with what many other pros and prep gurus have said candidly in interviews over the years
dave palumbo was a guy with pretty shitty genetics, who struggled for years to obtain his pro card, who HIMSELF was a drug dealer........do you really think he has qualms with taking more then 1200mgs of test.....OF COURSE NOT
he CANNOT say the real truth because some idiot on his messsage board will go and hurt himself......and he does not want the responsibility
he is lying about his insulin doses as well, he was huge slin junkie
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horses mouth sounds about right.
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a friend of mines brother trained with lee priest in cali...and according to him lee held up a few 3 cc syringes and said he never lets a syringe go to waste...now the guy could be lying to me but i certainly dont think lee bought 1 halotestin pill for his 18th b-day and he just gives it a lick every full moon
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The reason I did not tell the story is because I don't know the full story., I personally was not there. But, there was an IFBB official there, the military liaison I had with the Navy, an old business partner and a few personal friends I let go on the tour. It was a tour specially setup for them on the USS Missouri. I got to do alot of things with the Navy and military most don't get to do because of the contacts I have. All I was told was that Dave did something that was embarrassing enough to have the people in charge at the USS Missouri tell my liaison that all further tours were canceled. Also, the IFBB official was so outraged he told me he was a second away from calling Manion and the offices. But, I never dove deeper into what happened. I had alot more things going on than that at the time (like Flex stealing a Ferrari I got him). All I know is some very reputable people told me about it. Something about yelling at someone or something like that, that he shouldn't have yelled at. Here is a photo
Translation:Dave got caught doing Nubain in one of the bathrooms
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You think 5 different steroids, GH and IGF-1 is a modest cycle?
I believe that's exactly what he took, that is a lot of shit
LOL agreed, add up how many times he's sticking him self a week, it's insane. Try sticking your self 40 times + a week every week for a few months and see how you feel. But I guess that's modest ::)
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Dave P was a 300lb shredded beast and these doses are complete bullshit
not to mention he left out a few other peptides responsible for that t-rex look of his
The biggest factor with ugl is consistency. Norma Hellas is Norma Hellas yesterday, today, and tomorrow. UGL are only as reputable as their owners.
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Dave P was a 300lb shredded beast and these doses are complete bullshit
not to mention he left out a few other peptides responsible for that t-rex look of his
The biggest factor with ugl is consistency. Norma Hellas is Norma Hellas yesterday, today, and tomorrow. UGL are only as reputable as their owners.
no shit....palumbo used to recommend more than this to his readers in MD....
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plumberbo is so clean that even if he had to go off the gear, say maybe he had to go to prison for being too honest or something, he wouldn't lose a pound..... wait... :-\
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plumberbo is so clean that even if he had to go off the gear, say maybe he had to go to prison for being too honest or something, he wouldn't lose a pound..... wait... :-\
only in bodybuilding can you go to prison to raise your popularity...
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only in bodybuilding can you go to prison to raise your popularity...
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Good point I hear Titus's name all the time now.
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FLEX STOLE A FERRARI?
Explain.
-A DUB
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FLEX STOLE A FERRARI?
Explain.
-A DUB
i think he meant shawn...
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what the FUCK are you talking about "a human grade type physique"
there is NO such thing, there is only shit thats real, and dosed correctly....and shit that is garbage
just cause something is from a UGL does not mean it is bad......Dave Jacobs had a UGL in his fucking kitchen and was supplying half of the top names in bodybuilding
EVERYONE raved about his shit
please dont make a fool of yourself talking about a "hg type physique".............250mgs of test enanthate made from Organon, is the same a 250mgs of enanthate mixed in my basement
Ha ha....Another winner here folks...HG/UG ::)..Sir I can tell by looking at your physique that you used blue tops vs a legit brand of GH...
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I want to know that Palumbo story...
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I want to know that Palumbo story...
I'm gonna ask Big Will next week about it and see if he remembers. I'm sure it was just Palumbo being disrespectful or having poor manners, but I'll try to find out.
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I'm gonna ask Big Will next week about it and see if he remembers. I'm sure it was just Palumbo being disrespectful or having poor manners, but I'll try to find out.
Should be people be surprised? He sold fake drugs...That's a huge character flaw.
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Should be people be surprised? He sold fake drugs...That's a huge character flaw.
not to beat a dead horse, and not cause i personally dislike palumbo
he is NOT a kind individual
from the days when he was a drug dealer hanging around new york clubs to now, he's an arrogant, greedy, self-involved prick.....who uses people
that affable jocular gentleman you see on those rx radio shows is a character in the truest sense of the word, he is NOTHING like that in real life
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Should be people be surprised? He sold fake drugs...That's a huge character flaw.
Wouldn't selling drugs period (fake or not), be considered a huge character flaw? ;D
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Should be people be surprised? He sold fake drugs...That's a huge character flaw.
From what I heard, he still scams. Supposedly, if you hire him for the web-based contest prep, he just sends you an email with some pre-printed diet plan for a few hundred bucks. It seems everyone gets the same one... :-\
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not to beat a dead horse, and not cause i personally dislike palumbo
he is NOT a kind individual
from the days when he was a drug dealer hanging around new york clubs to now, he's an arrogant, greedy, self-involved prick.....who uses people
that affable jocular gentleman you see on those rx radio shows is a character in the truest sense of the word, he is NOTHING like that in real life
Aren't you Palumbo, Ramono, and the entire RX muscle crew? hahaha
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Wouldn't selling drugs period (fake or not), be considered a huge character flaw? ;D
It depends. ( I knew someone would say that). In my belief system, I don't consider performance enhancement and pot dealers bad people. ;D
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It depends. ( I knew someone would say that). In my belief system, I don't consider performance enhancement and pot dealers bad people. ;D
Haha...I hear ya man.
I was making reference to the fact it's still illegal.....in some places. ;D
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palumbo is much leaner and healthier these days
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palumbo is much leaner and healthier these days
Palumbo and health in the same sentence. That's a first.
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I'm gonna ask Big Will next week about it and see if he remembers. I'm sure it was just Palumbo being disrespectful or having poor manners, but I'll try to find out.
Say hi for me. He is a really good guy
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Palumbo and health in the same sentence. That's a first.
muscles....shrunk
facial bone acgromegaly...permanent
:D :D
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mega doses arent necessary although alot of people do use mega doses.. mega doses do not work much better than moderate doses... and moderate doses work moderately better than low doses work... no matter what the doseage, gains are always correlated with training stimuli, and training should be top priority... but the best doseage isnt weekly mg's, its yearly.. as in consistancy with drugs rather than extreme levels of them...
key for above terminology:
mega doses: over 7-8mg's per lb of lean body weight
moderate doses: 3-6mg's per lb of lean bodyweight
low doses: under 3 mg's per lb of lean bodyweight
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mega doses arent necessary although alot of people do use mega doses.. mega doses do not work much better than moderate doses... and moderate doses work moderately better than low doses... no matter what the doseage, gains are always correlated with training stimuli.. the best doseage isnt weekly its yearly, as in consistancy with drugs rather than extreme levels of them.
Have you competed yet? How many competitors or pros have you trained? Who have you trained?
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mega doses arent necessary although alot of people do use mega doses.. mega doses do not work much better than moderate doses... and moderate doses work moderately better than low doses... no matter what the doseage, gains are always correlated with training stimuli.. the best doseage isnt weekly its yearly, as in consistancy with drugs rather than extreme levels of them.
so you advocate long, moderate dose cycles?
what in you opinion is a test dose that is dangerously high?
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Have you competed yet? How many competitors or pros have you trained? Who have you trained?
dont forget, i added a key:
key for above terminology:
mega doses: over 7-8mg's per lb of lean body weight
moderate doses: 3-6mg's per lb of lean bodyweight
low doses: under 3 mg's per lb of lean bodyweight
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dont forget, i added a key:
key for above terminology:
mega doses: over 7-8mg's per lb of lean body weight
moderate doses: 3-6mg's per lb of lean bodyweight
low doses: under 3 mg's per lb of lean bodyweight
That wasn't my question and is that a blanket statement. Practical application ALWAYS has variations.
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so you advocate long, moderate dose cycles?
what in you opinion is a test dose that is dangerously high?
do you take breaks from eating, or takes breaks from training? does eating more than a few hundred calories above what you need or training for more than a few hours do anything more for you?
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mega doses arent necessary although alot of people do use mega doses.. mega doses do not work much better than moderate doses... and moderate doses work moderately better than low doses work... no matter what the doseage, gains are always correlated with training stimuli, and training should be top priority... but the best doseage isnt weekly mg's, its yearly.. as in consistancy with drugs rather than extreme levels of them...
key for above terminology:
mega doses: over 7-8mg's per lb of lean body weight
moderate doses: 3-6mg's per lb of lean bodyweight
low doses: under 3 mg's per lb of lean bodyweight
I disagree with most all of this. First, no studies indicate that a person of higher bodyweight requires more AAS. It doesn't work that way.
Second, running any compound year-round is unwise and will always lead to shutdown. I've always recommended cycles no longer than 16-20 weeks, with HCG during at least the last half of the cycle. This allows you to recover quickly and as a result, your training doesn't suffer.
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I disagree with most all of this. First, no studies indicate that a person of higher bodyweight requires more AAS. It doesn't work that way.
Second, running any compound year-round is unwise and will always lead to shutdown. I've always recommended cycles no longer than 16-20 weeks, with HCG during at least the last half of the cycle. This allows you to recover quickly and as a result, your training doesn't suffer.
Which is why I asked if what he said was a blanket statement.
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That wasn't my question and is that a blanket statement. Practical application ALWAYS has variations.
i was being humorous, .........dont be obtuse
I disagree with most all of this. First, no studies indicate that a person of higher bodyweight requires more AAS. It doesn't work that way.
Second, running any compound year-round is unwise and will always lead to shutdown. I've always recommended cycles no longer than 16-20 weeks, with HCG during at least the last half of the cycle. This allows you to recover quickly and as a result, your training doesn't suffer.
who cares ?
;D
Studies havent been done on bodyweight requirements for hormones. but common sense would lead one to the conclusion that bodyweight does apply. shutdown is going to occur within days pf the first injection or tablet taken.. regardless of how long the cycle lasts.
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I disagree with most all of this. First, no studies indicate that a person of higher bodyweight requires more AAS. It doesn't work that way.
Second, running any compound year-round is unwise and will always lead to shutdown. I've always recommended cycles no longer than 16-20 weeks, with HCG during at least the last half of the cycle. This allows you to recover quickly and as a result, your training doesn't suffer.
just circumstantial observation, i am 6'4, many of my friends are tall as well
my tall friends, me included.....tend to require higher does the a short person to achieve a comparable level of muscularity
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so you advocate long, moderate dose cycles?
what in you opinion is a test dose that is dangerously high?
UN - it's hard to say at what dose things become "dangerous." However, a good rule of thumb is around 1000mg a week. For many, at this dose, they start to see many more side effects than they would at 500 or 750. You need to also consider the principle of diminishing returns. I've heard from guys that did 5000mg a week (yes, that's 5 grams) that that dose was no better than their usual 3000mg.
There is also the idea of receptor saturation. It's just a theory though, and has never been proven...
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UN - it's hard to say at what dose things become "dangerous." However, a good rule of thumb is around 1000mg a week. For many, at this dose, they start to see many more side effects than they would at 500 or 750. You need to also consider the principle of diminishing returns. I've heard from guys that did 5000mg a week (yes, that's 5 grams) that that dose was no better than their usual 3000mg.
There is also the idea of receptor saturation. It's just a theory though, and has never been proven...
the level of hormones necessary to reach receptor saturation would be dependent on the number of androgen recepttors which would be dependant on bodyweight(muscle weight)..
you already understood you just didnt understand quite yet
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i was being humorous, .........dont be obtuse
who cares ?
;D
Studies havent been done on bodyweight requirements for hormones. but common sense would lead one to the conclusion that bodyweight does apply. shutdown is going to occur within days pf the first injection or tablet taken.. regardless of how long the cycle lasts.
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Of course shut-down occurs, however staying on year-round makes coming off a hell of alot harder, even with the aid of HCG. Of course for pro-BBers who make their living off their physiques, they must stay on.
Just because someone has 250 lbs of LBM, simply doesn't mean they require more AAS than someone with 200 lbs. The fact that they are bigger could be a result of a number of genetic factors - not least of which is how their receptors respond to androgens. See Phil Heath as an example.
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the level of hormones necessary to reach receptor saturation would be dependent on the number of androgen recepttors which would be dependant on bodyweight(muscle weight)..
you already understood you just didnt understand quite yet
Again receptor saturation has not been proven, though I suspect it has some credibility. I'm unsure why you say the AMOUNT of receptors one has depends on their LBM. I see you reasoning, but have read no study in which this is discussed.
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I disagree with most all of this. First, no studies indicate that a person of higher bodyweight requires more AAS. It doesn't work that way.
Second, running any compound year-round is unwise and will always lead to shutdown. I've always recommended cycles no longer than 16-20 weeks, with HCG during at least the last half of the cycle. This allows you to recover quickly and as a result, your training doesn't suffer.
Running any stuff past 3 or 4 weeks is gonna shut you down. In addition, I don't know the science behind it but why would running HCG in the middle of a cycle do anything Your body is still gonna know there is foreign test in the body and shut it down. This is why PCT shouldn't happen until 2-3 weeks after your last dose of an oil base otherwise you're wasting money.
You are correct. Look at natural test levels. There is no proof that a guy 6 or 7 feet tall has a higher natural test level than a guy of 5'8 or 5'9. I would think that leads thinking that just because you are taller you don't require more juice....Food for size yes. Juice, no.
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Again receptor saturation has not been proven, though I suspect it has some credibility. I'm unsure why you say the AMOUNT of receptors one has depends on their LBM. I see you reasoning, but have read no study in which this is discussed.
im sorry
please take a step back from your computer screen and think about this issue with some common sensee
how much water does it take to put out a fire? depends on how big the fire is right ?? u with me here ? lmao
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Running any stuff past 3 or 4 weeks is gonna shut you down. In addition, I don't know the science behind it but why would running HCG in the middle of a cycle do anything Your body is still gonna know there is foreign test in the body and shut it down. This is why PCT shouldn't happen until 2-3 weeks after your last dose of an oil base otherwise you're wasting money.
You are correct. Look at natural test levels. There is no proof that a guy 6 or 7 feet tall has a higher natural test level than a guy of 5'8 or 5'9. I would think that leads thinking that just because you are taller you don't require more juice....Food for size yes. Juice, no.
In layman's terms, HCG at the proper dose "tricks" your nuts into working again and, as you put it, ignoring the foreign test in your body. Thus, when you come off of your cycle your body can recover much faster. PCT is still necessary, but given cases I've seen, after you run that PCT for 3 or 4 weeks, you're body is basically fully recovered and producing as it should be.
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Running any stuff past 3 or 4 weeks is gonna shut you down. In addition, I don't know the science behind it but why would running HCG in the middle of a cycle do anything Your body is still gonna know there is foreign test in the body and shut it down. This is why PCT shouldn't happen until 2-3 weeks after your last dose of an oil base otherwise you're wasting money.
You are correct. Look at natural test levels. There is no proof that a guy 6 or 7 feet tall has a higher natural test level than a guy of 5'8 or 5'9. I would think that leads thinking that just because you are taller you don't require more juice....Food for size yes. Juice, no.
hcg mid cycle works just fine... your logic is ok but your conclusion is flawed because you dont have all the pieces to the puzzle... hcg tells the balls to produce sperm and test... not the brain.. so it does matter if the brain knows theres exogenous test
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im sorry
please take a step back from your computer screen and think about this issue with some common sensee
how much water does it take to put out a fire? depends on how big the fire is right ?? u with me here ? lmao
Like I said, I see what you're saying and it makes sense. But like I also said, I'm aware of no study that discusses either of the receptor issues I mentioned.
Also, you can't discount the genetic variance between individuals. To use your analogy, if the fire was a grease fire, no amount of water would put it out. :D
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Like I said, I see what you're saying and it makes sense. But like I also said, I'm aware of no study that discusses either of the receptor issues I mentioned.
Also, you can't discount the genetic variance between individuals. To use your analogy, if the fire was a grease fire, no amount of water would put it out. :D
sure, but that is totally irrelevant to the discussion, is it not? if one has a genetic predisposition, then they have a genetic predispositon. nothing can change that, and that change doesnt change the fact that the more muscle they accumulate, the more steroids they will need to get the same effect
now, that being said... genetic variance is not significant among the majority of people.
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Palumbo doens't come across as the most honest dude ever though
x2
Why would anyone take the things he says as face value.
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But we can agree that there is no correlation between the size of a person and test production. i.e. a fella 6'9 isn't gonna have a higher test level than a guy 5'9. Therefore, more test isn't required for bigger guys...More food is though.
Not only height weight also...
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sure, but that is totally irrelevant to the discussion, is it not? if one has a genetic predisposition, then they have a genetic predispositon. nothing can change that, and that change doesnt change the fact that the more muscle they accumulate, the more steroids they will need to get the same effect
now, that being said... genetic variance is not significant among the majority of people.
From anecdotal experience, I think genetic variance is a HUGE factor. Not only when it comes to one's response to androgens, but to training, nutrition, etc.
As far as your other point goes, I stand corrected. At first glance, this article seems to be well-researched and supports what you're saying. http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/androgen-receptors-02.htm
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But we can agree that there is no correlation between the size of a person and test production. i.e. a fella 6'9 isn't gonna have a higher test level than a guy 5'9. Therefore, more test isn't required for bigger guys...More food is though.
Not only height weight also...
no
what your saying is this:
"testosterone is not responsible for the height and weight of men"
that is very different than saying
"effectiveness of testosterone is not muscle-weight dependant"
the size of a human, structurally, is dependant mostly on dna and GH levels during adolescents.
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Palumbo doens't come across as the most honest dude ever though
Who is then?
Jay ? with his Muscletech contest prep, or Big Ronnie with his BSN Contest prep??
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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(http://i40.tinypic.com/2jzhxd.jpg)
all you need is sustanon and igf... like these guys did...
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BOTTOM LINE: they are all using LOTS of drugs, and when you see a guy improve after he has already been a upper-level bodybuilder for years......it NOT cause he changed his training or diet
Exactly. But DONT mention it lol!
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=85612
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Test levels are measured in units of mass per volume, for example ng per dL. So two people of varying body mass, say 200 lb vs 300 lb, with the same test LEVELS (ng/dL), will most definitely have DIFFERENT blood volumes(dL), and thus DIFFERENT amounts of total test (ng) in their system.
In other words, going from 200 lb to 300 lb, having the same test level of say 500 ng/dL, as the volume of blood increases so does the amount of total test have to increase in order to keep the same Test Level (ng/dL). By this logic a person with more LBM would require MORE test than someone with LESS LBM.
BTW, ng = nanogram and dL = deciliter, if i'm mistaken please correct me.
Here's a site just showing standard units for test measurements, came up on first google page for "testosterone level normal":
http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html (http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html)
Exactamundo. Welcome to Getbig.
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Straight from the horses mouth
TESTOSTERONE: 1200mg per week
DECA: 600mg per week
PARABOLIN 76mg amp 3x per week
WINSTROL 50mg every other day
HALOTESTIN 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
TESLAC 20pills per day (anti-aromatase)
PROVIRON 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
This was a CONTEST PREP CYCLE........and it was the most I ever used........ After using this, I cut back the testosterone to 1000, the GH to 4IU.......got rid of HALOTESTIN (when trenbolone acetate became more readily available).....got rid of teslac and proviron when Arimidex arrived
take these doses and double them for a more accurate depiction of his run- including the GH and insulin as well.
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the doseages lookk fine.. the only thing i doubt is the lack of t3. we have several legit sources all claiming that palumbo took lots and lots of t3 year round... even more so pre conteast