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Are they lesbians? Holding hands?
CODE PINK ALERT!!!
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Are they lesbians? Holding hands?
CODE PINK ALERT!!!
You need new glasses.
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So, we can’t secure the border but we can call out the SWAT team against unarmed grandparents?
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You need new glasses.
So you say they are not holding hands?
Hot Lesbian MILFS would be a great niche market for live video cams.
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So by reading your title...you are saying that Obama Picked up a phone and said "hey get the swat team on these old people"
Thats Obviously what you are saying because you said it word for word as well as judged him for it...
So please confirm, Did your President Barak Obama himself call the SWAT Team?
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So you say they are not holding hands?
Hot Lesbian MILFS would be a great niche market for live video cams.
No, they are not holding hands.
But, then again, you have to be a fag to believe they are holding hands. Good luck with that "niche", homo.
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I think you are a fag. Good luck with that outlook Princess.
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333 - how do you figure that Obama is calling out a local SWAT team.
Gee - I wonder why no one takes you seriously?
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Who called them out Straw?
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Who called them out Straw?
Where is your evidence it was Obama?
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Who called them out Straw?
my guess would be someone on the local level
to suggest that Obama is running the security detail is absurd and I assume you know that
Those old ladies should just be glad that McCain is not the President or they probably would have been physically removed and given a citation
and just so there is no confusion - I don't think McCain is the one who did this either:
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Either way its ridiculous. This country is really screwed. We are paying these jack boots insane money to watch ovver grannies with DTOM signs? No wonder we are broke.
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Either way its ridiculous. This country is really screwed. We are paying these jack boots insane money to watch ovver grannies with DTOM signs? No wonder we are broke.
Even more ridiculous is your absurd title to this thread
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Why? These grannies were at the obama speech. dont you think his detail called the local people to get the swat out?
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Why? These grannies were at the obama speech. dont you think his detail called the local people to get the swat out?
You have gone from saying Obama did it to "his detail" called "the local people".
Which is it? Is your thread title accurate or just hyperbole? Obama phoned it in? That is what you are claiming?
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Why? These grannies were at the obama speech. dont you think his detail called the local people to get the swat out?
NO I don't
how can you still be unclear about that?
???
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Straw- maybe its a warmup?
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Either way its ridiculous. This country is really screwed. We are paying these jack boots insane money to watch ovver grannies with DTOM signs? No wonder we are broke.
no...dont back down on your title...own it...say that you were using a basless accusation to..well i dont know why you felt the need to say it
...how did you know obama called the SWAT TEAM on GRANNIES? You go as far to blame him for it and offer a reaction/opinion on a lie...
that is the same as me saying..
33333 sucked Sean Hannity DICK!!!...what a homo
Do you see the point
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Honestly Mal - Hannity is the worst of the worst. I have not listened to him in years on the radio or tv.
As for the thread title - I'm sure the SS called out the jack boots.
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Honestly Mal - Hannity is the worst of the worst. I have not listened to him in years on the radio or tv.
As for the thread title - I'm sure the SS called out the jack boots.
Ok replace sean hannity with someone you do like..or anyone man..to say you sucked dick and to call you a fag would be a flat out lie (i hope)
thats is equivalent to the thread title
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Yeah, the dude in the flak vest in the Black Surburban is a local cop. ::) ::)
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Yeah, the dude in the flak vest in the Black Surburban is a local cop. ::) ::)
So you have proof that Obama called the Swat on Grannies?
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two constitution supporters in the whole town. where was this thing held?
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So you have proof that Obama called the Swat on Grannies?
Did you even watch the video? The SS guy is directing the local swat team people.
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Straw- maybe its a warmup?
Maybe you are just fucking wrong (again) and whining (again) and resorting to bullshit posting tactics (again).
You just got shit on here. (again)
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Did you even watch the video? The SS guy is directing the local swat team people.
What point of the video shows Obama on the phone dialing up the SWAT?
Or what point of the video show the SS dialing up the SWAT?
Directing the local authorities don't mean shit in your argument. The SS takes priority charge of any venue the POTUS is in. Telling the SWAT where to go isn't the same as they - or Obama - calling the SWAT.
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Right, cause they showed up on their own. ::) ::)
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Right, cause they showed up on their own. ::) ::)
I didn't see Obama or the SS phone them.
You must have. You claim it as fact. Now prove it.
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No proof? "What a bitch".
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Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D are you kidding me!,your getting as loony as your hero palin ;D
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OBAMA "S.W.A.T.'s" TEA PARTY
Published 04/29/2010 - 2:51 p.m. CST Riot Police and Snipers Called Out to Defend Quincy, IL Convention Center Against Geriatric Tea Party Protesters
There continues to be a common theme developing with respect to the reality that is the Tea Party movement and the opposition to it by this Obama administration. The movement is mostly made up of conservative Christians with a predominantly older demographic. The protests that began taking place in April of 2009 have been extremely peaceful with no arrests. Protests have continued all across America with untold numbers of people participating.
The Tea Party protest outside the Quincy, IL Community Center with Barack Obama inside was no different – except for the S.W.A.T. Team that was called out to defend the Community Center from being attacked by a rabid geriatric Tea Party that sang, “God Bless America” on a nearby street corner. In addition to riot police on the ground, there were snipers positioned on the roof of the building.
John McTernan, founder of Defend and Proclaim the Faith Ministries, sees a very disturbing trend taking place not only via this administration's increasingly overt attempts to demonize patriotic and Christian citizens but encourages more attention to be paid to the leadership within the U.S. Military, which he says is also taking on an anti-Christian tone.
As evidence of this, McTernan points to a report done by a man named Major Brian L. Stuckert in May of 2008 – link below. While that report was written several months before Obama took office, McTernan says that its contents, which were widely distributed within the military are cause for serious concern during an administration that continues to polarize America - at least in significant part – along Christian lines.
McTernan makes a strong case that Stuckert's report singles out the “Christian Right” and in no uncertain terms the beliefs of certain types of Chritians as potentially leading to an attempt by some unnamed foreign adversaries of the United States to polarize this nation by exploiting the beliefs held by such Christians. The irony is that the polarization today is not coming from any foreign adversary. It is coming largely from the Executive Branch of the United States government.
Making news recently was the Pentagon's turning away of Christian evangelist Franklin Graham from the National Day of Prayer for his comments about Islam. Meanwhile, representatives from extremely questionable and suspect Islamic groups – Islamic Society of North America – are counseling U.S. Troops in the name of diversity; Louay Safi held such a position at Fort Hood AFTER the attack by Major Nidal Malik Hasan.
On the 2008 campaign trail, Barack Obama called for a “Civilian National Security Force” that would be “just as strong, just as powerful, (and) just as well funded” as the U.S. Military. He has yet to clarify exactly what that meant. That lack of an explanation coupled with the continued polarization of America along Christian conservative lines has many seeking that clarity. If the U.S. Military is undergoing such a transformation that started before Barack Obama took office, how accepting would such a movement be to those ideas under the administration of a president who shares similar views?
VIDEO OF THE QUINCY TEA PARTY WITH RIOT POLICE:
http://sharpelbowsstl.blogspot.com/2010/04/obama-calls-in-riot-cops-on-peaceful.html
ABOUT JOHN MCTERNAN....
John McTernan, founder of Defend and Proclaim the Faith Ministries, has spent thousands of hours with Jews and Muslims debating and corresponding in defense of the Gospel. During numerous appearances on television, radio and in seminars, he has publicly defended Israel in light of Biblical prophecy.
Since 1975, he has been involved with the Pro-Life movement and is currently a Pro-Life leader in central Pennsylvania. And, in the early 1980s, he co-founded International Cops for Christ where he serves as an ordained chaplain and evangelist.
John holds a B.S. from Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. He served 26 years as a Federal Treasury agent before retiring in 1998.
?He is author of the acclaimed book God's Final Warning to America and Father Forgive Them and co-author of the bestseller Israel: The Blessing or the Curse. From his experience debating Jews, John wrote the Only Jesus of Nazareth series. This series includes: Only Jesus of Nazareth Can Sit on the Throne of David and Only Jesus of Nazareth Can Be Israel’s King Messiah. Additionally, he has written several tracts, including Muhammad or Jesus: The Prophet Like Unto Moses, and Jesus of Nazareth is He the only begotten Son of God?
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OBAMA "S.W.A.T.'s" TEA PARTY
Published 04/29/2010 - 2:51 p.m. CST Riot Police and Snipers Called Out to Defend Quincy, IL Convention Center Against Geriatric Tea Party Protesters
There continues to be a common theme developing with respect to the reality that is the Tea Party movement and the opposition to it by this Obama administration. The movement is mostly made up of conservative Christians with a predominantly older demographic. The protests that began taking place in April of 2009 have been extremely peaceful with no arrests. Protests have continued all across America with untold numbers of people participating.
The Tea Party protest outside the Quincy, IL Community Center with Barack Obama inside was no different – except for the S.W.A.T. Team that was called out to defend the Community Center from being attacked by a rabid geriatric Tea Party that sang, “God Bless America” on a nearby street corner. In addition to riot police on the ground, there were snipers positioned on the roof of the building.
John McTernan, founder of Defend and Proclaim the Faith Ministries, sees a very disturbing trend taking place not only via this administration's increasingly overt attempts to demonize patriotic and Christian citizens but encourages more attention to be paid to the leadership within the U.S. Military, which he says is also taking on an anti-Christian tone.
As evidence of this, McTernan points to a report done by a man named Major Brian L. Stuckert in May of 2008 – link below. While that report was written several months before Obama took office, McTernan says that its contents, which were widely distributed within the military are cause for serious concern during an administration that continues to polarize America - at least in significant part – along Christian lines.
McTernan makes a strong case that Stuckert's report singles out the “Christian Right” and in no uncertain terms the beliefs of certain types of Chritians as potentially leading to an attempt by some unnamed foreign adversaries of the United States to polarize this nation by exploiting the beliefs held by such Christians. The irony is that the polarization today is not coming from any foreign adversary. It is coming largely from the Executive Branch of the United States government.
Making news recently was the Pentagon's turning away of Christian evangelist Franklin Graham from the National Day of Prayer for his comments about Islam. Meanwhile, representatives from extremely questionable and suspect Islamic groups – Islamic Society of North America – are counseling U.S. Troops in the name of diversity; Louay Safi held such a position at Fort Hood AFTER the attack by Major Nidal Malik Hasan.
On the 2008 campaign trail, Barack Obama called for a “Civilian National Security Force” that would be “just as strong, just as powerful, (and) just as well funded” as the U.S. Military. He has yet to clarify exactly what that meant. That lack of an explanation coupled with the continued polarization of America along Christian conservative lines has many seeking that clarity. If the U.S. Military is undergoing such a transformation that started before Barack Obama took office, how accepting would such a movement be to those ideas under the administration of a president who shares similar views?
VIDEO OF THE QUINCY TEA PARTY WITH RIOT POLICE:
http://sharpelbowsstl.blogspot.com/2010/04/obama-calls-in-riot-cops-on-peaceful.html
ABOUT JOHN MCTERNAN....
John McTernan, founder of Defend and Proclaim the Faith Ministries, has spent thousands of hours with Jews and Muslims debating and corresponding in defense of the Gospel. During numerous appearances on television, radio and in seminars, he has publicly defended Israel in light of Biblical prophecy.
Since 1975, he has been involved with the Pro-Life movement and is currently a Pro-Life leader in central Pennsylvania. And, in the early 1980s, he co-founded International Cops for Christ where he serves as an ordained chaplain and evangelist.
John holds a B.S. from Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. He served 26 years as a Federal Treasury agent before retiring in 1998.
?He is author of the acclaimed book God's Final Warning to America and Father Forgive Them and co-author of the bestseller Israel: The Blessing or the Curse. From his experience debating Jews, John wrote the Only Jesus of Nazareth series. This series includes: Only Jesus of Nazareth Can Sit on the Throne of David and Only Jesus of Nazareth Can Be Israel’s King Messiah. Additionally, he has written several tracts, including Muhammad or Jesus: The Prophet Like Unto Moses, and Jesus of Nazareth is He the only begotten Son of God?
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Police Chief Ron Dreyer called in the riot police, not Obama.
Why do the Republicans lie and spread rumors :D
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Maybe there was a threat? I mean other than the grannies...maybe someone unknown made a threat via phone or internet regarding that appearance?
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the police probably saw on FOX News that 10,000 protesters were in attendance ;)
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Its only police state tactics when Bush did it. ::) ::)
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that is the same as me saying..
33333 sucked Sean Hannity DICK!!!...what a homo
Do you see the point
No it's not. Mal, that's an absolutely ridiculous example you just gave, because we all know that Obama didn't call in the SWAT team, ...but as for 33333 sucking Sean Hannity's dick? ...well that could be rather likely don'tcha think?
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I have not listened to Hannity on the radio and TV for years.
Good try though.
And good for your guys supporting the swat team on grannies. i guess only when it was Bush doing this stuff it was ok. ::) ::)
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I have not listened to Hannity on the radio and TV for years.
Good try though.
And good for your guys supporting the swat team on grannies. i guess only when it was Bush doing this stuff it was ok. ::) ::)
When the Repubs called out the SWAT teams, they beat the crap out of and arrested legitimate journalists.
Where were the arrests and assaults here?
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na 3333 dont try to get out of this or spin it...no one here said that we were in favor of the swat team on grannies. We are asking "how do you know Obama called them as you stated and then inserted your opinion like it was a fact
now answer and dont dance around this question
Do you know that Obama Called the Swat team in this instance?
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bush, obama who cares...niether one know how to have a good war....
bench
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OBAMA "S.W.A.T.'s" TEA PARTY
Published 04/29/2010 - 2:51 p.m. CST Riot Police and Snipers Called Out to Defend Quincy, IL Convention Center Against Geriatric Tea Party Protesters
There continues to be a common theme developing with respect to the reality that is the Tea Party movement and the opposition to it by this Obama administration. The movement is mostly made up of conservative Christians with a predominantly older demographic. The protests that began taking place in April of 2009 have been extremely peaceful with no arrests. Protests have continued all across America with untold numbers of people participating.
The Tea Party protest outside the Quincy, IL Community Center with Barack Obama inside was no different – except for the S.W.A.T. Team that was called out to defend the Community Center from being attacked by a rabid geriatric Tea Party that sang, “God Bless America” on a nearby street corner. In addition to riot police on the ground, there were snipers positioned on the roof of the building.
John McTernan, founder of Defend and Proclaim the Faith Ministries, sees a very disturbing trend taking place not only via this administration's increasingly overt attempts to demonize patriotic and Christian citizens but encourages more attention to be paid to the leadership within the U.S. Military, which he says is also taking on an anti-Christian tone.
As evidence of this, McTernan points to a report done by a man named Major Brian L. Stuckert in May of 2008 – link below. While that report was written several months before Obama took office, McTernan says that its contents, which were widely distributed within the military are cause for serious concern during an administration that continues to polarize America - at least in significant part – along Christian lines.
McTernan makes a strong case that Stuckert's report singles out the “Christian Right” and in no uncertain terms the beliefs of certain types of Chritians as potentially leading to an attempt by some unnamed foreign adversaries of the United States to polarize this nation by exploiting the beliefs held by such Christians. The irony is that the polarization today is not coming from any foreign adversary. It is coming largely from the Executive Branch of the United States government.
Making news recently was the Pentagon's turning away of Christian evangelist Franklin Graham from the National Day of Prayer for his comments about Islam. Meanwhile, representatives from extremely questionable and suspect Islamic groups – Islamic Society of North America – are counseling U.S. Troops in the name of diversity; Louay Safi held such a position at Fort Hood AFTER the attack by Major Nidal Malik Hasan.
On the 2008 campaign trail, Barack Obama called for a “Civilian National Security Force” that would be “just as strong, just as powerful, (and) just as well funded” as the U.S. Military. He has yet to clarify exactly what that meant. That lack of an explanation coupled with the continued polarization of America along Christian conservative lines has many seeking that clarity. If the U.S. Military is undergoing such a transformation that started before Barack Obama took office, how accepting would such a movement be to those ideas under the administration of a president who shares similar views?
VIDEO OF THE QUINCY TEA PARTY WITH RIOT POLICE:
http://sharpelbowsstl.blogspot.com/2010/04/obama-calls-in-riot-cops-on-peaceful.html
ABOUT JOHN MCTERNAN....
John McTernan, founder of Defend and Proclaim the Faith Ministries, has spent thousands of hours with Jews and Muslims debating and corresponding in defense of the Gospel. During numerous appearances on television, radio and in seminars, he has publicly defended Israel in light of Biblical prophecy.
Since 1975, he has been involved with the Pro-Life movement and is currently a Pro-Life leader in central Pennsylvania. And, in the early 1980s, he co-founded International Cops for Christ where he serves as an ordained chaplain and evangelist.
John holds a B.S. from Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. He served 26 years as a Federal Treasury agent before retiring in 1998.
?He is author of the acclaimed book God's Final Warning to America and Father Forgive Them and co-author of the bestseller Israel: The Blessing or the Curse. From his experience debating Jews, John wrote the Only Jesus of Nazareth series. This series includes: Only Jesus of Nazareth Can Sit on the Throne of David and Only Jesus of Nazareth Can Be Israel’s King Messiah. Additionally, he has written several tracts, including Muhammad or Jesus: The Prophet Like Unto Moses, and Jesus of Nazareth is He the only begotten Son of God?
Not a single sentence here in claims Obama called the SWAT.
You did nothing but pour more shit over your own head by attempting to defend your bullshit thread title. Stop being such a fucking crybaby and grow up.
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na 3333 dont try to get out of this or spin it...no one here said that we were in favor of the swat team on grannies. We are asking "how do you know Obama called them as you stated and then inserted your opinion like it was a fact
now answer and dont dance around this question
Do you know that Obama Called the Swat team in this instance?
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Fine, I should have worded it: "Obama's Security Detail calls out SWAT on Granny"
Would that make you feel better?
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If granny were a liberal, those guys would have already tear gassed her ass and shot her with rubber bullets then detained them all in a make shift camp. There's countless vids of the left getting that treatment. I don't think the left has ever watched the stormtroopers line up and not be used. ::)
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Fine, I should have worded it: "Obama's Security Detail calls out SWAT on Granny"
Would that make you feel better?
Do you have proof of that?
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Yeah, I'm sure its just a mere coincidence that SWAT is there and being directed by the SS guy in the video.
How blind are you Mal?
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I swear you are a fucking idiot at times...you just made shit up...shit fuckin disgusts me..
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/04/the_myth_of_the_anti-tea_party.html
The myth of the anti-tea party SWAT team
I like to keep track of fables and narratives within the tea party movement, and we learned of a new one this week -- the story of the "SWAT team" called out to threaten tea partyers in Quincy, Ill. In the words of Jim Hoft, the Gateway Pundit:
The SWAT Team was called in today at the Quincy Tea Party Rally ... local Quincy Tea Party Leader Steve McQueen was directing protesters when the SWAT team was called in.
The only problem with that? The SWAT team wasn't called in. Local police, wearing riot gear, briefly marched down the street to clear it for the president's motorcade.
UPDATE: More details from John Cook.
The story, from the Quincy Herald Whig.
There were a few tense moments when the crowd moved west down York toward Third Street after the president's motorcade arrived. A Secret Service agent asked the crowd to move back across the street to the north side.
When the crowd didn't move and began singing "God Bless, America" and the national anthem, Quincy Deputy Police Chief Ron Dreyer called for members of the Mobile Field Force to walk up the street.
The officers, mainly from Metro East departments near St. Louis and dressed in full body armor, marched from the east and stood on the south side of York facing the protesters.
There was no physical contact, and the officers did not come close to the crowd, but there were catcalls and more than a few upset tea party members, including a woman who shouted, "This is communism!"
McQueen also assisted in asking people to step back to the north side of York. The crowd moved back, the officers stayed for about 15 minutes and left, and there were no other incidents.
The video of cops in riot gear walking down the street in formation is more weird than threatening. But the sexed-up version of this story is so good that HotAir headlines it "SWAT team outside Obama event beats back geriatric tea-party hordes," even though the blog's own take on the story is less intense.
This isn’t a SWAT team, actually, just local cops in riot gear, but it is the first time I’ve ever seen police in armor do a jaunty little parade down the street when responding to an event. I assure you, when the NYPD rolls up in helmets and shields, they’re all business.
You'll see these photos again, with or without the story of "SWAT teams" battling back average Americans. (It's very important, for some reason, that Hoft point out that most of the protesters were elderly white women.) If tea partyers want to oppose actual police state SWAT tactics, though -- and not just make overheated arguments about the looming "communism" of Barack Obama -- I'd point them to the work of Radley Balko.
you are a woman.. i swear you are
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LOL, now compare to these videos 3333.
on and on and on....
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Correct me if I am wrong, but werent there also anarchists throwing bottles and molotovs in those "demonstrations"?
I dont remember anyone singing God Bless America like the Grannies were. ;D
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Yeah, I'm sure its just a mere coincidence that SWAT is there and being directed by the SS guy in the video.
How blind are you Mal?
Obviously not as blind as your ass is. Mal just owned you beyond belief. Run home, shower the shit, piss and spit off of you and try again with your whining threads. Maybe you will actually make one that doesn't backfire you. Though I doubt it.
I swear you are a fucking idiot at times...you just made shit up...shit fuckin disgusts me..
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/04/the_myth_of_the_anti-tea_party.html
The myth of the anti-tea party SWAT team
I like to keep track of fables and narratives within the tea party movement, and we learned of a new one this week -- the story of the "SWAT team" called out to threaten tea partyers in Quincy, Ill. In the words of Jim Hoft, the Gateway Pundit:
The SWAT Team was called in today at the Quincy Tea Party Rally ... local Quincy Tea Party Leader Steve McQueen was directing protesters when the SWAT team was called in.
The only problem with that? The SWAT team wasn't called in. Local police, wearing riot gear, briefly marched down the street to clear it for the president's motorcade.
UPDATE: More details from John Cook.
The story, from the Quincy Herald Whig.
There were a few tense moments when the crowd moved west down York toward Third Street after the president's motorcade arrived. A Secret Service agent asked the crowd to move back across the street to the north side.
When the crowd didn't move and began singing "God Bless, America" and the national anthem, Quincy Deputy Police Chief Ron Dreyer called for members of the Mobile Field Force to walk up the street.
The officers, mainly from Metro East departments near St. Louis and dressed in full body armor, marched from the east and stood on the south side of York facing the protesters.
There was no physical contact, and the officers did not come close to the crowd, but there were catcalls and more than a few upset tea party members, including a woman who shouted, "This is communism!"
McQueen also assisted in asking people to step back to the north side of York. The crowd moved back, the officers stayed for about 15 minutes and left, and there were no other incidents.
The video of cops in riot gear walking down the street in formation is more weird than threatening. But the sexed-up version of this story is so good that HotAir headlines it "SWAT team outside Obama event beats back geriatric tea-party hordes," even though the blog's own take on the story is less intense.
This isn’t a SWAT team, actually, just local cops in riot gear, but it is the first time I’ve ever seen police in armor do a jaunty little parade down the street when responding to an event. I assure you, when the NYPD rolls up in helmets and shields, they’re all business.
You'll see these photos again, with or without the story of "SWAT teams" battling back average Americans. (It's very important, for some reason, that Hoft point out that most of the protesters were elderly white women.) If tea partyers want to oppose actual police state SWAT tactics, though -- and not just make overheated arguments about the looming "communism" of Barack Obama -- I'd point them to the work of Radley Balko.
you are a woman.. i swear you are
BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA
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Obviously not as blind as your ass is. Mal just owned you beyond belief. Run home, shower the shit, piss and spit off of you and try again with your whining threads. Maybe you will actually make one that doesn't backfire you. Though I doubt it.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 333386 owned :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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LoL
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Obviously not as blind as your ass is. Mal just owned you beyond belief. Run home, shower the shit, piss and spit off of you and try again with your whining threads. Maybe you will actually make one that doesn't backfire you. Though I doubt it.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 333386 owned :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Do I need to bump the plagerizing thread Blacken?
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Do I need to bump the plagerizing thread Blacken?
:'( :'( :'( :'(333386=crybaby :D :D :D :D sorry Mr thinskin
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Do I need to bump the plagerizing thread Blacken?
Does it contain evidence that Obama called the SWAT team in it?
Otherwise, I guess you will just keep ignoring the fact you got bald face busted in this one.
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did i not give him a chance to re-look at his shit and retract that lying ass title...i asked him for about 24 hours
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I swear you are a fucking idiot at times...you just made shit up...shit fuckin disgusts me..
you are a woman.. i swear you are
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/snarl.gif)
Hey... why do you have to insult women that way?! Someone should squeal to your mom and your sister. >:(
OK, so we have Palin & Bachmann, ...but the male species has Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh.
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I already said the thread title should have been changed.
I don't buy that bogus story about the motorcade though.
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Obviously not as blind as your ass is. Mal just owned you beyond belief. Run home, shower the shit, piss and spit off of you and try again with your whining threads. Maybe you will actually make one that doesn't backfire you. Though I doubt it.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA
OUCH!!!
I almost feel sorry for him now. lol
Medic!!!!
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Oh Good Lord. Yes, protect us from the granny brigades. ::)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but werent there also anarchists throwing bottles and molotovs in those "demonstrations"?
I dont remember anyone singing God Bless America like the Grannies were. ;D
yea, you're wrong ::) Way fucking wrong. The worst thing that happened in any of those videos was some stupid bitch saying to toss ping pong balls. Although you couldn't hurt a mouse with a ping pong ball it was still stupid, but that's the worst of all those videos 3333. And by the way, nobody tossed any ping pong balls... Most of those vids nothing was going on. I also have seen at least 3 demonstrations where it was later shown that the instigator was an undercover cop.
At any rate, you cannot deny that the left has it way worse than the right in regards to protesting. I have seen the most peaceful intended protests on the left end up being corralled and busted by riot police. I have not fucking seen that once for a rightwing protest!
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I already said the thread title should have been changed.
I don't buy that bogus story about the motorcade though.
you can change the thread title.
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Oh Good Lord. Yes, protect us from the granny brigades. ::)
read the rest of the thread BB.
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I bet those grannies are tougher than the palin hacker dude.
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I bet those grannies are tougher than the palin hacker dude.
dude, my little toe is tougher than the palin hacker dude. So what? Billy would kill him by going "BOO!!!"
Still would like you to at least acknowledge that the left has it way fucking worse protest wise... That's a fact I've watched over and over and over...
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Yes.
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read the rest of the thread BB.
O.K. Done. And? Whether it was police in riot gear or SWAT, the fact is beefed up security was called in by someone (sounds like Obama's Secret Service was behind it), to protect the poor citizens from the Granny Brigades.
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people are hilarious
Far gone are the days that we actually take in all the facts before forming an opinion
what do we do?
we have an opinion before we even know ANY facts and then we take bits and pieces that agree with our POV and place it in our assessment of it and boo yaw...thats what happened
Fuckin retarded if you ask me...who does that?...its sickening to think these are my fellow American citizens...
Free thinkers? Screw that...my mind is made up and any facts disputing my pre-opinion...ill just ignore or skew in my favor..
It really amazes me to think that we are all adults
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O.K. Done. And? Whether it was police in riot gear or SWAT, the fact is beefed up security was called in by someone (sounds like Obama's Secret Service was behind it), to protect the poor citizens from the Granny Brigades.
the day you have any experience in that type of government work your opinion will be valid...
until then you just completely expose yourself as another on of Rush's children...
bench
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people are hilarious
Far gone are the days that we actually take in all the facts before forming an opinion
what do we do?
we have an opinion before we even know ANY facts and then we take bits and pieces that agree with our POV and place it in our assessment of it and boo yaw...thats what happened
Fuckin retarded if you ask me...who does that?...its sickening to think these are my fellow American citizens...
Free thinkers? Screw that...my mind is made up and any facts disputing my pre-opinion...ill just ignore or skew in my favor..
It really amazes me to think that we are all adults
Yes that happens quite a bit (opinion before facts).
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the day you have any experience in that type of government work your opinion will be valid...
until then you just completely expose yourself as another on of Rush's children...
bench
What makes you think I don't have that kind of experience? :) I guess there could be examples of Granny Brigades engaging in violent protests, but I haven't heard about them.
I don't listen to Rush.
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What makes you think I don't have that kind of experience? :) I guess there could be examples of Granny Brigades engaging in violent protests, but I haven't heard about them.
I don't listen to Rush.
because nobody who takes stances like you do on here has ever taken direct orders from a sitting president, or staff...
if you did you would know a lot more about the system than your post suggest...
bench
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because nobody who takes stances like you do on here has ever taken direct orders from a sitting president, or staff...
if you did you would know a lot more about the system than your post suggest...
bench
Huh? What stance is that? That someone (likely in Obama's SS) overreacted to a bunch of old ladies?
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Huh? What stance is that? That someone (likely in Obama's SS) overreacted to a bunch of old ladies?
yeah about that...this thread has gone several pages without a thread of proof on that statement...was a team there?..yes....but you have know idea who sent them?..no!...in my world i can only work with what can be proved...this isnt one of those thing...
bench
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yeah about that...this thread has gone several pages without a thread of proof on that statement...was a team there?..yes....but you have know idea who sent them?..no!...in my world i can only work with what can be proved...this isnt one of those thing...
bench
No I don't have any proof one way or the other. Just making an assumption (that I think is reasonable). In my world (and most of the real world), we make many decisions and form many opinions based on assumptions. Like you breaking into a room based on the assumption that you were not going to get blasted by an M-4. :)
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No I don't have any proof one way or the other. Just making an assumption (that I think is reasonable). In my world (and most of the real world), we make many decisions and form many opinions based on assumptions. Like you breaking into a room based on the assumption that you were not going to get blasted by an M-4. :)
your argument is baseless...i made a choice with my own life.....propagandist like yourself take a whole country with your baseless claims......
....i love how you think you live in the real world though...its kinda cute.....cause in the "real world" as you call it....decisions are made on proof, and evidence......
sounds like your living in the world of make believe since all the proof you need is your assumption...
bench
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your argument is baseless...i made a choice with my own life.....propagandist like yourself take a whole country with your baseless claims......
....i love how you think you live in the real world though...its kinda cute.....cause in the "real world" as you call it....decisions are made on proof, and evidence......
sounds like your living in the world of make believe since all the proof you need is your assumption...
bench
Propagandist? lol. That's a new one.
Yeah I live in the real world. It can be cute. Sometimes dangerous. Most times not.
Here is what's funny about your contention that "decisions are made on proof, and evidence." As I said earlier, you put your life in jeopardy based on an assumption:
i was in Iraq when i got hit 3 times.......i couldnt see the guy, but i knew where he was....me and another guy said "fuck it, he sounds like he is shooting a pellet gun, and we have armor"....so we just rushed in...he shot my vest 3 times with a .380.....didnt even bruise...
bench
So you bum rushed someone you couldn't see, who sounded like he had a "pellet gun." Yeah, "proof and evidence." lol.
Quite often, important and tough decisions have to made without all of the necessary facts, evidence, etc.
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Propagandist? lol. That's a new one.
Yeah I live in the real world. It can be cute. Sometimes dangerous. Most times not.
Here is what's funny about your contention that "decisions are made on proof, and evidence." As I said earlier, you put your life in jeopardy based on an assumption:
So you bum rushed someone you couldn't see, who sounded like he had a "pellet gun." Yeah, "proof and evidence." lol.
Quite often, important and tough decisions have to made without all of the necessary facts, evidence, etc.
your argument is still baseless...
what i am saying is i base that decision with my own life.....you are accusing a man of a act based on assumption....i cant arrest a man for murder, and my probable cause is "i assume he did it"
and we saw the man go into the structure....we just didn't know where he went while in there...
bench
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your argument is still baseless...
what i am saying is i base that decision with my own life.....you are accusing a man of a act based on assumption....i cant arrest a man for murder, and my probable cause is "i assume he did it"
and we saw the man go into the structure....we just didn't know where he went while in there...
bench
My "argument" (if you want to call it that) is based on an assumption, just like those who think Obama's SS had nothing to do with increased security to combat the Granny Brigade is based on an assumption.
You only risked your own life? O Rly?
i was in Iraq when i got hit 3 times.......i couldnt see the guy, but i knew where he was....me and another guy said "fuck it, he sounds like he is shooting a pellet gun, and we have armor"....so we just rushed in...he shot my vest 3 times with a .380.....didnt even bruise...
bench
You risked your comrade's life too.
If you're trying to say you only make decisions when you have all of the "proof and evidence," then I say good luck to you, and that you probably make very few decisions. At least not tough ones.
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My "argument" (if you want to call it that) is based on an assumption, just like those who think Obama's SS had nothing to do with increased security to combat the Granny Brigade is based on an assumption.
You only risked your own life? O Rly?
You risked your comrade's life too.
If you're trying to say you only make decisions when you have all of the "proof and evidence," then I say good luck to you, and that you probably make very few decisions. At least not tough ones.
he made his own decision....and you still havent made a point other than you know how to accuse someone of something based on no proof at all....clueless people like yourself are why i am against voting...
bench
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My "argument" (if you want to call it that) is based on an assumption, just those who think Obama's SS had nothing to do with increased security to combat the Granny Brigade is based on an assumption.
You only risked your own life? O Rly?
You risked your comrade's life too.
If you're trying to say you only make decisions when you have all of the "proof and evidence," then I say good luck to you, and that you probably make very few decisions. At least not tough ones.
well when you grow up and get a job you will know what i am talking about...but until then good luck going through life with only assumption, and no true knowledge on anything...
bench
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he made his own decision....and you still havent made a point other than you know how to accuse someone of something based on no proof at all....clueless people like yourself are why i am against voting...
bench
Dude you make no sense. He made a decision based in part on your assumption. And yes you risked your life and that of your comrade without all of the "proof and evidence."
Well don't vote. Your loss. I always do. One of the greatest privileges in the greatest country in the history of mankind. :)
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well when you grow up and get a job you will know what i am talking about...but until then good luck going through life with only assumption, and no true knowledge on anything...
bench
LOL. I don't know if I'll ever grow up. :)
Hey one of these days maybe I can get a real job like you and risk my life (and others) based on assumptions. :)
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Dude you make no sense. He made a decision based in part on your assumption. And yes you risked your life and that of your comrade without all of the "proof and evidence."
Well don't vote. Your loss. I always do. One of the greatest privileges in the greatest country in the history of mankind. :)
i make perfect sense...you are just backpeddling like your hero rush.....its ok, we know...
and its a privilege you, and most Americans shouldn't be allowed to have because you aren't competent enough to do so....
bench
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LOL. I don't know if I'll ever grow up. :)
Hey one of these days maybe I can get a real job like you and risk my life (and others) based on assumptions. :)
still cant make a point, can you?
...nice try though....hope you have a fun filled life in your make believe world....
you are a prime example of "ignorance is bliss"
bench
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i make perfect sense...you are just backpeddling like your hero rush.....its ok, we know...
and its a privilege you, and most Americans shouldn't be allowed to have because you aren't competent enough to do so....
bench
Backpedaling on what? I said at the outset that increased security was an overreaction. That's still my opinion.
Well tough titty. I still have that right. I'll be voting this November, while you sit at home and complain. Sucks for you. :)
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still cant make a point, can you?
...nice try though....hope you have a fun filled life in your make believe world....
you are a prime example of "ignorance is bliss"
bench
Dude I do indeed have a fun-filled life. Absolutely love my life, with all credit to God.
Like a wise man once said, that I have repeated often: I know a lot about a few things and nothing about a lot of things.
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O.K. Done. And? Whether it was police in riot gear or SWAT, the fact is beefed up security was called in by someone (sounds like Obama's Secret Service was behind it), to protect the poor citizens from the Granny Brigades.
so I guess you missed or didn't care about the myth post above where it goes into those details? Not to mention, like I have shown, the left gets it way worse than the right. I know, I know.... you guys are mo special...
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so I guess you missed or didn't care about the myth post above where it goes into those details? Not to mention, like I have shown, the left gets it way worse than the right. I know, I know.... you guys are mo special...
Yes I read the opinions on both sides.
Even if we assume the left gets it way way worse, that has nothing to do with the overreaction to grandma.
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Yes that happens quite a bit (opinion before facts).
even worse is maintaining the same opinion in spite of the facts
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Sort of like the post office being in great shape?
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Sort of like the post office being in great shape?
I think I said fine
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Yes I read the opinions on both sides.
Even if we assume the left gets it way way worse, that has nothing to do with the overreaction to grandma.
that's not the part I was talking about, but I find it interesting. In one of those videos some eldery fella gets the snot knocked out of him. When we posted videos like that, the right here usually cheered it on lol...
"When the crowd didn't move and began singing "God Bless, America" and the national anthem, Quincy Deputy Police Chief Ron Dreyer called for members of the Mobile Field Force to walk up the street."
how you're getting Obama did it. I have no idea.
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that's not the part I was talking about, but I find it interesting. In one of those videos some eldery fella gets the snot knocked out of him. When we posted videos like that, the right here usually cheered it on lol...
"When the crowd didn't move and began singing "God Bless, America" and the national anthem, Quincy Deputy Police Chief Ron Dreyer called for members of the Mobile Field Force to walk up the street."
how you're getting Obama did it. I have no idea.
I never said Obama did it. I said someone asked for/ordered enhanced security and that the request/order likely came from Obama's SS. We can split hairs and say that wasn't actually Obama, but I don't really care whether the order came directly from him, or from his SS. I doubt his SS folks even take many orders from him anyway. I think the decision to bring out riot police (or whatever they were), regardless of who made the decision, was an overreaction.
All the talk about whether the title of the thread is misleading, etc. sort of misses the point.
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I never said Obama did it. I said someone asked for/ordered enhanced security and that the request/order likely came from Obama's SS. We can split hairs and say that wasn't actually Obama, but I don't really care whether the order came directly from him, or from his SS. I doubt his SS folks even take many orders from him anyway. I think the decision to bring out riot police (or whatever they were), regardless of who made the decision, was an overreaction.
All the talk about whether the title of the thread is misleading, etc. sort of misses the point.
So let me get this right, they were asked to move and no granny actually came close to even being touched? That about sums it up or am I missing something. Sounds like someone is being a little dramatic in the telling of this...
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So let me get this right, they were asked to move and no granny actually came close to even being touched? That about sums it up or am I missing something. Sounds like someone is being a little dramatic in the telling of this...
I never said anyone was touched and don't know if they were. My only view is that beefing up security for granny was unnecessary.
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No I don't have any proof one way or the other. Just making an assumption (that I think is reasonable). In my world (and most of the real world), we make many decisions and form many opinions based on assumptions. Like you breaking into a room based on the assumption that you were not going to get blasted by an M-4. :)
Wow...thats amazing. Simply amazing..
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Oh brother ::)
Bench/Big Mal,
Let's stop playing pretend and amazed. In the criminal justice system, of course you can't go on assumptions. In politics, it's a whole other world. We just passed an enormous healthcare bill rife with assumptions.
It assumes people's purchasing habits will coincide with the model. It assumes we will realize savings in certain areas of healthcare. It assumes we will realize certain tax revenues. It assumes various members of the insurance and healthcare industries will react in a certain manner (most notably physicians), etc.
As a government employee I've seen them make some incredibly stupid assumptions and then base policy on it.
I'm not saying I agree with 33 and BB on this issue, but trying to act as though assumptions are not "real world" or finding it "amazing"....gimme a break.
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maybe because im a scientist by nature and before we react on something and offer an opinion we stay neutral on it. We surely dont assume and then give an opinion on it. It makes you look like an idiot. But you know exactly what im talking about. These dudes dont care about facts. they care about how they can spin it in their parties favor. Thats whats amazing. Like really? Also, they IGNORE some facts because it inconveniences their original assessment. Its fucking amazing that grown men do this
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So let me get this right, they were asked to move and no granny actually came close to even being touched? That about sums it up or am I missing something. Sounds like someone is being a little dramatic in the telling of this...
Now what little drama queen would go and try to blow something like this out of proportion?
Oh...THAT one. Gotcha. ;)
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Obviously Obama since his scared ass was afraid of the grannies and had to call out the swat team.
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Actually, it was you.
Nice try though.
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maybe because im a scientist by nature and before we react on something and offer an opinion we stay neutral on it. We surely dont assume and then give an opinion on it. It makes you look like an idiot. But you know exactly what im talking about. These dudes dont care about facts. they care about how they can spin it in their parties favor. Thats whats amazing. Like really? Also, they IGNORE some facts because it inconveniences their original assessment. Its fucking amazing that grown men do this
Oh please. People in medicine make assumptions all time. Doctors perform surgery based on assumptions, including "exploratory" surgery. This contention people don't make decisions without all of the facts is a bunch of malarky.
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Oh please. People in medicine make assumptions all time. Doctors perform surgery based on assumptions, (THIS IS JUST RETARDED, SURGERIES ARE BASED ON INFORMATION DIGESTED AND CONFIRMED) including "exploratory" surgery. This contention people don't make decisions without all of the facts is a bunch of malarky.
Shittin me right, please tell me you are shittin me. This is the way modern medicine works..."GATHER AS MANY FACTS AS POSSIBLE THEN MAKE A DECISION.
What in fucks name are you talking about.?. NO ONE IN MEDICINE HAS A PRE DETERMINED OPINION AND ESPECIALLY NO ONE ACTS ON IT.. ::) tha fuck outta here with that shit...
You know good and the hell well what im talking about...im talking about your predetermined view of an event or issue and your intentional omitting facts that get in the way of your pre determined opinion...thats what im talking about...and as a man who has a scientific background as a kid...this notion of, "just assume and then wait for facts" is insane to me...it just is.
To just put some totally false thread title and report is as fact is just insane to me...
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Shittin me right, please tell me you are shittin me. This is the way modern medicine works..."GATHER AS MANY FACTS AS POSSIBLE THEN MAKE A DECISION.
What in fucks name are you talking about.?. NO ONE IN MEDICINE HAS A PRE DETERMINED OPINION AND ESPECIALLY NO ONE ACTS ON IT.. ::) tha fuck outta here with that shit...
You know good and the hell well what im talking about...im talking about your predetermined view of an event or issue and your intentional omitting facts that get in the way of your pre determined opinion...thats what im talking about...and as a man who has a scientific background as a kid...this notion of, "just assume and then wait for facts" is insane to me...it just is.
To just put some totally false thread title and report is as fact is just insane to me...
Calm down dude. I didn't say people in medicine make decisions without any facts. I said they "make assumptions all the time." You know that's true. You do your intake, gather information, and then give opinions, some of which are based on assumptions. Surgeons cut people open all the time without having all of the facts.
I didn't say anything about having predetermined opinions. Not sure where you're getting that from.
Regarding the title of the thread, like I said earlier, who cares? It's such a minor issue. I was commenting on the fact law enforcement overreacted to Grandma
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Bump - I am continually called out for this thread.
Is it any better than wat Obama is doing in the airports by calling out the TSA on granny, diabetics, cripples, and others all so that he does not haveto profile those weknow are 99% more likely to commit crimes in the first place?
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Bump - I am continually called out for this thread.
Is it any better than wat Obama is doing in the airports by calling out the TSA on granny, diabetics, cripples, and others all so that he does not haveto profile those weknow are 99% more likely to commit crimes in the first place?
LMAO...
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LMAO...
Yes or no?
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So by reading your title...you are saying that Obama Picked up a phone and said "hey get the swat team on these old people"
Thats Obviously what you are saying because you said it word for word as well as judged him for it...
So please confirm, Did your President Barak Obama himself call the SWAT Team?
Nice name my friend, nice name.... ;D
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Hey Mal: We know he is calling out the Death Panels on Granny - so why not the SWAT Team?
BBBBOOOOOMMMMMM! ! ! !
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Yes or no?
he didnt call swat on grandmothers.
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he didnt call swat on grandmothers.
No - he did worse - he called out the Grim Reaper with KevorkianCare.
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No - he did worse - he called out the Grim Reaper with KevorkianCare.
how
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how
Do we really need to go over this again? Even Krugman admitted that there are death panels in ObamaCare.
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Do we really need to go over this again? Even Krugman admitted that there are death panels in ObamaCare.
This was Prob my fastest destruction of your bullshit
Mr. Krugman's response was, "Right now, the charge that's gaining the most traction is the claim that health care reform will create 'death panels' (in Sarah Palin's words) that will shuffle the elderly and others off to an early grave. It's a complete fabrication, of course."
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I dont watch shit you put on this.. nor do i read your bias articles by writers who are really conservative
Now do you want to tell me what this shit is in your own words?
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I posted krugman himself saying the medical advisory board will act as a defacto death panel and save the govt money.
Of course you can't be bothered w reality, that's cool.
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I posted krugman himself saying the medical advisory board will act as a defacto death panel and save the govt money.
Of course you can't be bothered w reality, that's cool.
Mr. Krugman's response was, "Right now, the charge that's gaining the most traction is the claim that health care reform will create 'death panels' (in Sarah Palin's words) that will shuffle the elderly and others off to an early grave. It's a complete fabrication, of course."
this is what he said
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Watch the damn video fool. Its out of his own mouth.
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so he dosent say this you think?
Mr. Krugman's response was, "Right now, the charge that's gaining the most traction is the claim that health care reform will create 'death panels' (in Sarah Palin's words) that will shuffle the elderly and others off to an early grave. It's a complete fabrication, of course."
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Yeah whatever mal. Keep your hope amd change fairie tales going.
I posted the words right out of his mouth. If you don't want to watch the one minute clip and wake up from your obama love story, fine, who am I to try to change your mind?
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Yeah whatever mal. Keep your hope amd change fairie tales going.
I posted the words right out of his mouth. If you don't want to watch the one minute clip and wake up from your obama love story, fine, who am I to try to change your mind?
but im like posting what he said about that..
Mr. Krugman's response was, "Right now, the charge that's gaining the most traction is the claim that health care reform will create 'death panels' (in Sarah Palin's words) that will shuffle the elderly and others off to an early grave. It's a complete fabrication, of course."
So do you just ignore that for an argument?
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Obama Nominee for Social Security Board Favors Rationing Health Care
Jeffrey H. Anderson
November 15, 2011 4:17 PM
Is it just a coincidence that the people that President Obama nominates to fill high-level governmental posts tend to favor government-directed health care rationing? Last year, Obama nominated Donald Berwick to head Medicare and Medicaid. Now he’s nominated Henry J. Aaron to head the Social Security Advisory Board.
Berwick, to whom Obama issued a dubious recess appointment to circumvent the usual Senate confirmation, has become notorious for statements like, “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open” — and, in progressive-speak, “The social budget is limited.”
Aaron, a recent Obama nominee, has expressed similar views. He wrote a piece earlier this year called, “The Independent Payment Advisory Board — Congress's ‘Good Deed.’” The grisly IPAB, one of the most underreported of Obamacare’s myriad of liberty-sapping features, would have the power to cut Medicare spending each year — if Obamacare isn’t repealed first. The dictates of its 15 unelected members would effectively become law. In fact, Congress couldn’t even overturn the IPAB’s decrees with a majority vote in each house and the President’s signature.
Obama has since doubled-down on the IPAB, seeking to grant it even more power to cut Medicare spending than Obamacare would grant it. To be clear, this is in addition to the nearly $1 trillion that the Congressional Budget Office says would be siphoned out of Medicare and spent on Obamacare during the overhaul’s real first decade (2014 to 2023).
Aaron praises the IPAB, although he does admit to having a few problems with it. He thinks that its largely unchecked power isn’t unchecked enough, as the board should be able to order payment reductions for other aspects of medical care that have so far escaped its statutory grant of power. He writes,
“I admit that the provisions governing the IPAB are less than optimal. For example, recommendations regarding payments to acute and long-term care hospitals, hospices and inpatient rehabilitation and psychiatric facilities are off-limits until 2020; and those to clinical laboratories are off-limits until 2016. These politically motivated restrictions should be repealed as early as possible so the IPAB’s recommendations can comprehend the delivery system as a whole.”
Aaron says that “the survival and strengthening of the IPAB is of critical importance.” In a sense, this is unsurprising, given his earlier views, which were captured in a Washington Post story published during the Reagan administration (when Aaron was in his late 40s). The Post article reads,
“If Americans are serious about curbing medical costs, they’ll have to face up to a much tougher issue than merely cutting waste, says Brookings Institution economist Henry J. Aaron.
“They’ll have to do what the British have done: ration some types of costly medical care — which means turning away patients from proven treatments.
“Cutting billions worth of ‘pure waste’ — in needless hospitalization, surplus beds, Cadillac-model machinery and superfluous tests — would only temporarily slow the growth in health spending, which now tops 10 percent a year, Aaron told a symposium sponsored by the American Academy of Physician Assistants last week in Reston.
“Eventually the ‘cornucopia of technology’ and America’s aging population will combine to drive up health costs by 6 or 7 percent a year anyway unless something else is done, he said.
“That ‘something else’ is what Aaron calls the ‘second stage’ of cost control. It’s a much more complex step, requiring choices that no one — doctor, patient or politician — likes to make.
“Aaron and Dr. William B. Schwartz, professor of medicine at Tufts University School of Medicine, recently completed a study of how these choices are made in Britain, a country which spends half as much per person as the United States on health care.
“Some medical services widely available in the United States are strictly rationed in Britain, Aaron and Schwartz report in their book, ‘The Painful Prescription.’ For example, British doctors order half as many X-rays per capita as their American counterparts, and use half as much film per X-ray. They do one-tenth as much coronary artery bypass surgery. British hospitals have one-sixth as many CAT scanners and less than one-fifth as many intensive care unit (ICU) beds....
“Half the patients with chronic kidney failure in Britain are left untreated — and die as a result….
“The key to the British system, they contend, lies not in regulation but in a different attitude toward medicine, mortality and the scarcity of resources.
“Unlike their American counterparts, who tend to believe in saving lives at all cost, British doctors define ‘what is best’ in terms of ‘what is available,’ Aaron said.
“As the director of a tiny 10-bed ICU in an 800-bed London hospital put it: ‘Yes, this would be too small in America. But if you took this unit and set it down in Sri Lanka or India, it would stick out like a sore thumb. It would be an obscene waste of money.’
“The burden of enforcing medical rationing in Britain falls mainly on doctors, who act as ‘gatekeepers’ in the system. They know funds for kidney dialysis are limited, so they simply don’t refer older patients for the life-saving treatment.
“Asked how he could turn away over-55 kidney patients from life-saving dialysis, one doctor told Aaron and Schwartz: ‘What you don’t seem to understand is that everybody over the age of 55 is a bit crumbly.’…
“It will be ‘a lot harder to move into this second stage of rationing in the U.S.,’ Aaron warned.
“The American public has not yet begun to understand what is being asked of it when it comes to limiting the growth in hospital spending.”
Indeed.
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Obama calling out the Grim Reaper on Granny now.
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333 - what's this got to do with your lie about Obama and a local SWAT team
Why not just start a new thread for whatever new lie it is you're trying to promote?
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333 - what's this got to do with your lie about Obama and a local SWAT team
Why not just start a new thread for whatever new lie it is you're trying to promote?
Seems like Bama is callin out all the forces for the old folks to put them in ground no?
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but im like posting what he said about that..
Mr. Krugman's response was, "Right now, the charge that's gaining the most traction is the claim that health care reform will create 'death panels' (in Sarah Palin's words) that will shuffle the elderly and others off to an early grave. It's a complete fabrication, of course."
So do you just ignore that for an argument?
Yes... you do
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Seems like Bama is callin out all the forces for the old folks to put them in ground no?
it only seems that way to really stupid people such as yourself
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it only seems that way to really stupid people such as yourself
He is stealing their savings via inflation, death panels, etc.
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Dredging up a lie that got you busted by posting another lie?
That's really the thing a sane person would have done.
Carry on dumbass.
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Dredging up a lie that got you busted by posting another lie?
That's really the thing a sane person would have done.
Carry on dumbass.
owning this guy is too fucking easy... someone else please start some shit
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owning this guy is too fucking easy... someone else please start some shit
LOL. You owned yourself in Nov. 2008 fool.
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LOL. You owned yourself in Nov. 2008 fool.
right... its only 5000 miles away
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LOL. You owned yourself in Nov. 2008 fool.
Not as bad as Obama owns your mind. Especially when he doesn't drop out and seek a pardon next year like you claim.
Stupidity for you is like oxygen for everyone else.