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Title: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: alnassak on May 01, 2010, 01:35:29 AM
I have been thinking of writing that topic many times before, and the time has just came!

I have been living the natural bodybuilding live style since January 2005, and this is what I have learned from it:

1-It tought me how to be patient and shows you nothing comes without pains and sacrifices.

2- It arranged my daily schedule in a professional way that make you respect the time very well since timing plays major role on it.

3-It takes me to bed early at night and wake you up early in the morning.

4-It keeps me concerned about your nutrition and always look for the valuable food and drinks and avoid the non essential food and drinks.

5-It makes me a competitive person in life challenges!

6-It makes me wise that you try to be as much as possible away from trouble and problems because you always want to save your energy for your training session

7-It makes you feel happy about yourself satisfied by the way you look and live a healthier life overall.


I may have forgotten something, please share yours with us.

I wish a nice and healthy life for all of you guys.  :)
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: kiwiol on May 01, 2010, 01:52:12 AM
That it's no big deal whether you're natural or a juicer

That there will always be people who will disbelieve your claim of natural status

That you'll never be as big or strong as the pros

That there are guys who juice who train just as hard and are maybe more dedicated

That it's useless to compete in contests as a natural, unless you don't mind being an also ran who doesn't get anywhere in terms of your winning record

That you need to have the patience of an elephant and be very realistic about what you can achieve, which takes upwards of 15 years of hard effort

That if you do manage to build a decent physique, it does make you feel better

That there are going to be at least a couple of posters who are gonna roll their eyes at this post of mine...
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: ygbodybuilder10 on May 01, 2010, 02:29:59 AM
it has taught me how to keep money in my pocket and not towards cycles
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: WillGrant on May 01, 2010, 02:32:51 AM
To use drugs and look like a Bodybuilder  :D
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on May 01, 2010, 02:36:50 AM
no such thing as "natural" bodybuilding

it a myth perpetuated by victims of the Weider empire false advertising
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: kiwiol on May 01, 2010, 02:41:21 AM
To use drugs and look like a Bodybuilder  :D

lol, nice one.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: alnassak on May 01, 2010, 02:42:30 AM
it has taught me how to keep money in my pocket and not towards cycles

Good lesson  ;D
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: WillGrant on May 01, 2010, 02:50:20 AM
it has taught me how to keep money in my pocket and not towards cycles
So you are going clean ?  :D
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on May 01, 2010, 05:43:49 AM
no such thing as "natural" bodybuilding


Define 'natural'.

At 42, I'm in near perfect physical health and look late 20's-early 30's. I'd say eating clean and lifting for the last 28 years have taught me that your physique/health doesn't have to decline as you age.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: WillGrant on May 01, 2010, 05:44:42 AM
Define 'natural'.
Using drugs but telling everyone you are "Natural"  ;)
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on May 01, 2010, 05:51:10 AM
Using drugs but telling everyone you are "Natural"  ;)

Well, under that definition I would be classified as not natural?
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: affeman on May 01, 2010, 05:52:10 AM
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Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on May 01, 2010, 06:00:18 AM
(http://www.francoisgay.com/bilderweb/franc-ztng1.jpg)

LOL ;D



natural bodybuilding taught me that if you work REAL hard, and NEVER miss a meal, and DEPRIVE yourself of many of lifes pleasures, and live the life of an Ascetic

and WORK, and WORK, and WORK, and EAT, and EAT, and EAT




........in a couple of years people MAY be able to tell that you are marginally more muscular then a college swimmer (as long as you have your shirt off and possess good genetics)
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: che on May 01, 2010, 06:11:12 AM
Taught me that no matter how hard I try I will never weigh more than 178lbs 
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: affeman on May 01, 2010, 06:13:06 AM
LOL ;D



natural bodybuilding taught me that if you work REAL hard, and NEVER miss a meal, and DEPRIVE yourself of many of lifes pleasures, and live the life of an Ascetic

and WORK, and WORK, and WORK, and EAT, and EAT, and EAT




........in a couple of years people MAY be able to tell that you are marginally more muscular then a college swimmer (as long as you have your shirt off and possess good genetics)

Yeah, it's kinda sad. Training without drugs is pretty much pointless.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on May 01, 2010, 06:13:44 AM
LOL ;D



natural bodybuilding taught me that if you work REAL hard, and NEVER miss a meal, and DEPRIVE yourself of many of lifes pleasures, and live the life of an Ascetic

and WORK, and WORK, and WORK, and EAT, and EAT, and EAT

Nah. I work out 3-4 hours a week and still eat what I like, for the most part. I'll admit like eating clean though and have learned to make eating clean taste quite good. Going out to a greek restaurant tonight for rack of lamb, one of my favs.

........in a couple of years people MAY be able to tell that you are marginally more muscular then a college swimmer (as long as you have your shirt off and possess good genetics)

I agree with the shirt off comment to a certain degree as it depends on what type of clothing being worn, but the statement rings true nonetheless.

Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: WillGrant on May 01, 2010, 06:15:39 AM
Well, under that definition I would be classified as not natural?
Whats your bf% height and weight?..you can still be "natural" you just wont look like a BB unless you walk around in your undies all the time and then be more "toned"..
We are talking low bf with full large muscles here not a swimmers build.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on May 01, 2010, 06:16:08 AM
Taught me that no matter how hard I try I will never weigh more than 178lbs 

Yeah, for me to be as lean as my avatar pic I can't be over 175ish.

I've been 200 lbs and it wasn't pretty. Hard to lose that much weight too. I like to stay within 10lbs of my ideal weight these days.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on May 01, 2010, 06:16:47 AM
Whats your bf% height and weight?..you can still be "natural" you just wont look like a BB unless you walk around in your undies all the time and then be more "toned"..
We are talking low bf with full large muscles here not a swimmers build.

About 175lbs at 5'8".

<----- here

This pic was taken in the fall after I started to add more carbs back into my diet so I may appear a little fuller. I'm flat as hell right now.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: che on May 01, 2010, 06:20:59 AM
Yeah, for me to be as lean as my avatar pic I can't be over 175ish.

I've been 200 lbs and it wasn't pretty. Hard to lose that much weight too. I like to stay within 10lbs of my ideal weight these days.
I'm 5'9'' , I competed  154 -162 lbs, off season around 175lbs
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Wiggs on May 01, 2010, 06:24:08 AM
I have been thinking of writing that topic many times before, and the time has just came!

I have been living the natural bodybuilding live style since January 2005, and this is what I have learned from it:

1-It teaches you how to be patient and shows you nothing comes without pains and sacrifices.

2- It arranges your daily schedule and a professional way that make  you respect the time very well since timing is plays major role on it.

3-It takes you to bed early at night and wake you up early in the morning.

4-It keeps you concerned about your nutrition and always look for the valuable food and drinks and avoid the non essential food and drinks.

5-It makes you a competitive person in life challenges!

6-It makes you wise that you try to be as much as possible away from trouble and problems because you always want to save your energy for your training session

7-It makes you feel happy about yourself satisfied by the way you look and live a healthier life overall.


I may have forgotten something, please share yours with us.

I wish a nice and healthy life for all of you guys.  :)


Natural bodybuilding has taught me I'll never go pro ;D
I can do very little and over train.
That I'll always be decent but never awesome.

Finally, natural bodybuilding has taught me drugs are only the last 5% ::)
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on May 01, 2010, 06:25:03 AM
I'm 5'9'' , I competed  154 -162 lbs, off season around 175lbs

Yeah, that sounds about right. I dropped down below 160 one year I was biking to work daily and had somewhat ripped glutes. My arms must have been 15 inches though.  :(
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on May 01, 2010, 06:26:49 AM
Finally, natural bodybuilding has taught me drugs are only the last 5% ::)

 ;D
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: mesmorph78 on May 01, 2010, 07:02:13 AM
Taught me that natural lifting is for those that are patient and aren't looking for shortcuts .. For those who truly enjoy lifting... And not just only the muscles that come with it.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: MAXX on May 01, 2010, 08:26:41 AM
natural competetive bodybuilding doesn't exist where i live(it hardly even exist in america). doesn't mean I can't train naturally myselt though just the whole industry is shitty.

guess I have learned that bodybuilding is gay, shady and all drugs.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Wiggs on May 01, 2010, 08:33:39 AM
Taught me that natural lifting is for those that are patient and aren't looking for shortcuts .. For those who truly enjoy lifting... And not just only the muscles that come with it.

Oh brother....shortcuts have nothing to do with it on the pro-level.  It's getting past your genetic potential.
I do things for a reason...i.e. lift to get stronger or build muscle...Ask many of the pros and they'll tell you they do it to stay competitive not cause they like it.

While you and "Crotch" walk around preaching you're natural, everyone else is in awe of the juiced up fellas and broads....Not that you care but you the hate of juicers run deep cause you hate them cause you ain't them.

I have no problem with naturals except when they start complaining about juicers cause no one will recognize the naturals..."accomplishments"

Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: TacoBell on May 01, 2010, 08:52:04 AM
It taught me how to laugh :P
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: The ChemistV2 on May 01, 2010, 09:02:30 AM
Since most gyms now are populated by lots of juiced up teens and the typical bald tattooed bloated guys... having a good physique and not being juiced is pretty rare. In fact, it feels kind of special to be in that small percentage of people that can achieve that, especially when you're in your 40's. Plus having the knowledge to keep your hormones still producing decent amounts of test on your own without hrt is equally rare, since so few people know how to do it. Steroids are a primitive technology and have been around since the mid-50's. Yes, they get you big, but the shortcomings of depressing your hpt axis means the results are always temporary, unless you stay on a permanent cycle..which can lead to heart problems..from screwed up hdl and ldl levels.   
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: TacoBell on May 01, 2010, 09:09:24 AM
Since most gyms now are populated by lots of juiced up teens and the typical bald tattooed bloated guys... having a good physique and not being juiced is pretty rare. In fact, it feels kind of special to be in that small percentage of people that can achieve that, especially when you're in your 40's. Plus having the knowledge to keep your hormones still producing decent amounts of test on your own without hrt is equally rare, since so few people know how to do it. Steroids are a primitive technology and have been around since the mid-50's. Yes, they get you big, but the shortcomings of depressing your hpt axis means the results are always temporary, unless you stay on a permanent cycle..which can lead to heart problems..from screwed up hdl and ldl levels.   


Having a good physique and being natural is not rare, plenty of high school athletes have a good physique and what's funny is these self professing natural bodybuilders who aren't any better than that.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: The ChemistV2 on May 01, 2010, 09:14:51 AM

Having a good physique and being natural is not rare, plenty of high school athletes have a good physique and what's funny is these self professing natural bodybuilders who aren't any better than that.
I agree for the most part..but a lot of high school athletes are juiced nowadays. And to be honest, I see very few people in gyms that aren't juiced that I would say look impressive, except for some black guys with great genetics.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: mesmorph78 on May 01, 2010, 09:35:28 AM
@ wiggs
I have never shared the same veiws as croatch  .. I have trained with natural guys and guys who aren't natural... Do your research before you start throwing out accusations
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on May 01, 2010, 09:40:31 AM
@ wiggs
I have never shared the same veiws as croatch  .. I have trained with natural guys and guys who aren't natural... Do your research before you start throwing out accusations

I have nothing against gear users. I used to be an avid watcher of the men in thongs contests. (no homo) ;D

I'd like to live to 120 and be physically active and healthy, which is my main motivation for staying fit.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: MadeYaMelt on May 01, 2010, 10:40:57 AM
Not this shit again...   ::)  Do you think that guys (well, most guys... I'm not talking about beer drinking frat boys here) that juice somehow train less hard than a natural?  It's quite the opposite.  Many of them trainer harder, longer, and more frequently because their bodies can handle a bit of extra abuse. 

As for eating, think they eat less?  No way.  You have to do the right things for your body to take advantage of the increase of anabolic hormones in your body - and it's alot of work to be honest.  I recommend you "nattys" to try a basic, first cycle for yourself (especially if AAS are legal in your area).  When you keep everything exactly the same and see only marginal results, you'll understand. 
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: TacoBell on May 01, 2010, 10:54:22 AM
I agree for the most part..but a lot of high school athletes are juiced nowadays. And to be honest, I see very few people in gyms that aren't juiced that I would say look impressive, except for some black guys with great genetics.

A lot of high school athletes are not juiced.  Both texas and jersey spent several million dollars testing high schoolers and the results were quite conclusive.

http://bodybuilding.elitefitness.com/tag/anabolic-steroid-testing
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/032610/spo_596347858.shtml#comment-start

But yes I completely agree, impressive physiques require steroids, hence why loud naturals are so funny.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: efanhowz on May 01, 2010, 11:21:45 AM
it has taught me that my genetics are no where near teh black mans
and that i will NEVER "stay in for the weekend and not party with friends because i dont want to hinder my gains" again
and that supplements are a waste (except whey)

some natural guys i have talked to are extremely regimented, meals, not going out, sleep, props to them.
i like to have a social life which can keep me from a gym session from time to time.
i have a more relaxed approach now and found out that less training is better (dont worry im not the all drugs type)
but more importantly I AM LIVING MY LIFE and not worrying about when my next protein shake is due
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: mwbbuilder on May 01, 2010, 11:22:34 AM
If you want to be average, go to message board where average people discuss their average ideals on life.

If you want to succeed in life, you don't even subject yourself to what other people think.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: SF1900 on May 01, 2010, 12:02:58 PM
Being jacked like myself and all natural is pretty fucking awesome. SF1900 = The Man!
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: wavelength on May 01, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
that I'm a skinny twink
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Bones on May 01, 2010, 12:38:44 PM
(http://www.francoisgay.com/bilderweb/franc-ztng1.jpg)
  This could be put on "Bays" thread about too small of posing trucks.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Natural Man on May 01, 2010, 01:47:30 PM
it taught me there are more important things in life.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: affeman on May 01, 2010, 02:05:02 PM
it taught me there are more important things in life.

Like??
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: EL Mariachi on May 01, 2010, 02:13:18 PM
that if you want to look good you need to be a narcistic psychopath that worries about protein

that the bb lifestyle is useless and a waste of energy

one should only enjoy lifting heavy
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Jaime on May 01, 2010, 02:25:19 PM
Natural trainers are rare, natural trainers with decent physiques are even rarer.

Natural training is all down to lines and shape, without the mass there is nothing to cover structural deficiency's, guys like Zane and Paris could look good at lower bodyweights where as Ronnie and Jay wouldn't.

Which is why most guys get on the gear asap.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: JP_RC on May 01, 2010, 02:58:45 PM
It has taught me to be patient, really patient.

Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Fatpanda on May 01, 2010, 03:39:39 PM
LOL ;D



natural bodybuilding taught me that if you work REAL hard, and NEVER miss a meal, and DEPRIVE yourself of many of lifes pleasures, and live the life of an Ascetic

and WORK, and WORK, and WORK, and EAT, and EAT, and EAT




........in a couple of years people MAY be able to tell that you are marginally more muscular then a college swimmer (as long as you have your shirt off and possess good genetics)

hahahahahahaha QFT
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Natural Man on May 01, 2010, 07:43:07 PM
It has taught me to be patient, really patient.


smartest comment of the thread , this one nobody can deny.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on May 01, 2010, 08:09:57 PM
That it's no big deal whether you're natural or a juicer

That there will always be people who will disbelieve your claim of natural status

ha, for you maybe!
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on May 01, 2010, 08:16:57 PM
1. genetics determine everything
2. all the hard work and supps in the world cannot make your arms/calves get past a certain size
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on May 01, 2010, 08:29:07 PM
I have been thinking of writing that topic many times before, and the time has just came!

I have been living the natural bodybuilding live style since January 2005, and this is what I have learned from it:

1-It teaches you how to be patient and shows you nothing comes without pains and sacrifices.

2- It arranges your daily schedule and a professional way that make  you respect the time very well since timing is plays major role on it.

3-It takes you to bed early at night and wake you up early in the morning.

4-It keeps you concerned about your nutrition and always look for the valuable food and drinks and avoid the non essential food and drinks.

5-It makes you a competitive person in life challenges!

6-It makes you wise that you try to be as much as possible away from trouble and problems because you always want to save your energy for your training session

7-It makes you feel happy about yourself satisfied by the way you look and live a healthier life overall.


I may have forgotten something, please share yours with us.

I wish a nice and healthy life for all of you guys.  :)


great post bro. although it hasnt taught me all these things ;D..

patience and challenge are the first to come in my mind and also the love of what GOD has given you as it's without wanting to change it unnaturally!!..
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on May 01, 2010, 08:32:26 PM
That it's no big deal whether you're natural or a juicer

That there will always be people who will disbelieve your claim of natural status

That you'll never be as big or strong as the pros

That there are guys who juice who train just as hard and are maybe more dedicated

That it's useless to compete in contests as a natural, unless you don't mind being an also ran who doesn't get anywhere in terms of your winning record

That you need to have the patience of an elephant and be very realistic about what you can achieve, which takes upwards of 15 years of hard effort

That if you do manage to build a decent physique, it does make you feel better

That there are going to be at least a couple of posters who are gonna roll their eyes at this post of mine...

::) ::) ::)
am i the first?? ;D
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: SF1900 on May 01, 2010, 08:44:52 PM
That it's no big deal whether you're natural or a juicer

That there will always be people who will disbelieve your claim of natural status

That you'll never be as big or strong as the pros

That there are guys who juice who train just as hard and are maybe more dedicated

That it's useless to compete in contests as a natural, unless you don't mind being an also ran who doesn't get anywhere in terms of your winning record

That you need to have the patience of an elephant and be very realistic about what you can achieve, which takes upwards of 15 years of hard effort

That if you do manage to build a decent physique, it does make you feel better

That there are going to be at least a couple of posters who are gonna roll their eyes at this post of mine...

100% the truth!
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Skeletor on May 01, 2010, 09:10:30 PM
Taught me that drugs are just the finishing touch
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: ThaRealist on May 01, 2010, 09:15:54 PM
Being natural taught me that being ripped at 175lbs is my limit.... After doing AAS my natural limit is 185lbs ripped not being on anything for 3 years...
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: alnassak on May 02, 2010, 10:11:40 AM
Taught me that no matter how hard I try I will never weigh more than 178lbs 

 ;D

Just try to eat some Ice-Cream before you sleep and you will see  :P
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: che on May 02, 2010, 10:13:15 AM
;D

Just try to eat some Ice-Cream before you sleep and you will see  :P
I don't want to get fat.
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: alnassak on May 02, 2010, 10:16:40 AM
LOL ;D



natural bodybuilding taught me that if you work REAL hard, and NEVER miss a meal, and DEPRIVE yourself of many of lifes pleasures, and live the life of an Ascetic

and WORK, and WORK, and WORK, and EAT, and EAT, and EAT




........in a couple of years people MAY be able to tell that you are marginally more muscular then a college swimmer (as long as you have your shirt off and possess good genetics)

I don’t agree with you, I have been training for 5 years now and I can see my improvements every 3-6 months, and I am happy with it since they are hard earned muscles.

Easy come easy go baby   :P

Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: che on May 02, 2010, 10:20:12 AM
I don’t agree with you, I have been training for 5 years now and I can see my improvements every 3-6 months, and I am happy with it since they are hard earned muscles.

Easy come easy go baby   :P


Post some pics Allnutsack (no homo)
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: alnassak on May 02, 2010, 10:22:27 AM
Yeah, it's kinda sad. Training without drugs is pretty much pointless.

So, being healthy and fit with some natural\hard earned muscles is pointless..?

I didn’t know that heart attack, kidney failures & testicular problems are ok with you  :P
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: alnassak on May 02, 2010, 10:24:08 AM
Natural bodybuilding has taught me I'll never go pro ;D
I can do very little and over train.
That I'll always be decent but never awesome.

Finally, natural bodybuilding has taught me drugs are only the last 5% ::)

At least it has taught you many things   ;) :P
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: alnassak on May 02, 2010, 10:25:59 AM
Taught me that natural lifting is for those that are patient and aren't looking for shortcuts .. For those who truly enjoy lifting... And not just only the muscles that come with it.

I can see that you love training\lifting weight very much,

Props to you man  :)
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: alnassak on May 02, 2010, 10:34:36 AM
Taught me that drugs are just the finishing touch

 ;D
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: Fatpanda on May 02, 2010, 12:57:50 PM
Taught me that natural lifting is for those that are patient and aren't looking for shortcuts .. For those who truly enjoy lifting... And not just only the muscles that come with it.
::)
Title: Re: What has Natural Bodybuilding taught you..?
Post by: EL Mariachi on May 02, 2010, 01:09:12 PM
1. genetics determine everything
2. all the hard work and supps in the world cannot make your arms/calves get past a certain size


start doing one legged dictionay calf raises, if you can go trough the pain they will grow fast