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In general, people in the sports world keep their political leanings to themselves. Sure, there are a few guys who regularly speak out on political issues, but for the most part that's considered bad business. As Michael Jordan put it, "Republicans buy shoes too." That's why what the Phoenix Suns are doing is so amazing.
The team will be wearing its "Los Suns" jerseys for Wednesday night's Game 2 against the San Antonio Spurs "to honor [the] Latino community and the diversity of our league, the state of Arizona, and our nation." Awesome.
The decision to wear the jerseys came from way up the corporate ladder, as team owner Robert Sarver suggested the team wear their Noche Latina alternates.
Sarver, who was born and raised in Tucson, said frustration with the federal government's failure to deal with the illegal immigration issue led to the passage of what he called "a flawed state law."
"However intended, the result of passing the law is that our basic principles of equal rights and protection under the law are being called into question," he said, "and Arizona's already struggling economy will suffer even further setbacks at a time when the state can ill-afford them."
The Suns voted on the jerseys and unanimously decided to wear them for Cinco De Mayo. As if he weren't likeable enough, Phoenix guard Steve Nash(notes) succinctly summed up the Suns' feelings on the issue.
"I think it's fantastic," Nash said after Tuesday's practice. "I think the law is very misguided. I think it's, unfortunately, to the detriment of our society and our civil liberties. I think it's very important for us to stand up for things we believe in. As a team and as an organization, we have a lot of love and support for all of our fans. The league is very multicultural. We have players from all over the world, and our Latino community here is very strong and important to us."
And it's not just the Suns who are speaking out on this issue.
Spurs coach Gregg Popovich is on board, and the team even tried to get their "Los Spurs" jerseys, though it was too late to do so. When asked for approval to wear the jerseys, the NBA "was all for it," said Suns general manager Steve Kerr. Furthermore, NBA Players Association executive director Billy Hunter issued a press release, denouncing the law.
The recent passage of the new immigration law in Arizona is disappointing and disturbing. The National Basketball Players Association strongly supports the repeal or immediate modification of this legislation. Any attempt to encourage, tolerate or legalize racial profiling is offensive and incompatible with basic notions of fairness and equal protection. A law that unfairly targets one group is ultimately a threat to all.
We applaud the actions of Phoenix Suns players and management and join them in taking a stand against the misguided efforts of Arizona lawmakers. We are consulting with our members and our player leadership to determine the most effective way for our union to continue to voice our opposition to this legislation.
It's not much, just an extra three letters on the front of a tanktop, but it means a lot more. As Kerr said, the Suns want to "make sure that people understand that we know what's going on and we don't agree with the law itself." For a sports team, that's huge.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Suns-will-wear-Los-Suns-unis-to-honor-Phoenix-?urn=nba,238682
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Good on them. They can support and wear what they like. The NBA has a long history of supporting hispanic fans especially in Texas, California and Arizona.
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I'm betting that "70%" figure begins to drop as more and more conservative voices come fwd with concerns of violations of LEGAL americans' rights.
have we seen a more recent poll?
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Already posted and this is shit again ppl making this into a race/ethinicity thing ::)
Bullshit this is about illegal immigrants of all races and ethinicities...
if they are against this bill they should protest the bill not show support for latinos...hope the 70% of ppl in arizona that are for this bill boycott this bullshit
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I'm betting that "70%" figure begins to drop as more and more conservative voices come fwd with concerns of violations of LEGAL americans' rights.
have we seen a more recent poll?
iono depends on the amount of misinformation that ppl such as yourself can spew I guess...thought you were for the reformed law?
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people such as myself?
I guess you're including republicans like tancredo and ktistol in that too, huh?
and please tony, i said version 2 is better than version 1... and that version 3 will be BETTER. But "being FOR' the law? Come on. I'm FOR breaking their legs and shipping them out. I'm not FOR americans getting a single right violated.
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They are free to do so but this is silly BS. Another thing I have tried to warn against on this issue. Then of course crap like this:
These are things that could not happen on mass when it was people like Lou Dobbs raising the issue. Lou even went on Democracy Now and owned the set.(wish I could find the video but I can't) He didn't do that by making radical statements and silly moves that rile even moderates to the issue. Lou brought so many to the issue without bringing the ridiculous... His approach to the issue is exactly like mine.
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people such as myself?
I guess you're including republicans like tancredo and ktistol in that too, huh?
and please tony, i said version 2 is better than version 1... and that version 3 will be BETTER. But "being FOR' the law? Come on. I'm FOR breaking their legs and shipping them out. I'm not FOR americans getting a single right violated.
ya they sure as shit are as well...
LOL so youre against all laws now 240? you think that other laws havent been used to violate americans rights?
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Here is the idiocy of 240 -
Break knee caps first, ask immigration status later ok.
Ask immigation status first, then break knee caps not ok.
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wait - yes or no - are conservative stalwarts Krystol and Tancredo now full of shit? Y or N?
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Here is the idiocy of 240 -
Break knee caps first, ask immigration status later ok.
Ask immigation status first, then break knee caps not ok.
LMAO 240 is ok with citizens reporting illegals but not ppl trained to protect us...
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wait - yes or no - are conservative stalwarts Krystol and Tancredo now full of shit? Y or N?
they are wrong on this issue just as you are...
are you against all laws now 240?
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yawn. you guys are just making up positions now.
for the 90th time... you pay informants $100 per illegal, and you let ICE catch them at work via paperwork - you never have to speak to the person unless the boss provides fake docs.
then you fine the boss, you deport their asses. You dry up the work, and many leave. You don't have to worry about some skinny 21 year old rookie cop taking on a car load of illegals with rifles who know they're about to get carded at 2 am. It's better to grab them at 7 am when they're washing breakfast dishes... then you boot them.
Dont take my word for it... benchmstr is a TX law enforcement, and he's against it. he knows more about the real conditions than any of us.
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they are wrong on this issue just as you are...
are you against all laws now 240?
oh fucking hell, this is getting silly.... ::)
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oh fucking hell, this is getting silly.... ::)
it certainly is...follow his logic hugo and tell me where im wrong.
he is against this law b/c he feels that even a single american citizens rights might get violated so this isnt a good law...
nobody has ever been pulled over when they didnt legitimately do anything wrong right? benchmstr confessed that he himself used to randomly pull ppl over to check their shit...so logically 240 should be against those laws as well...every law can be used to violate civil rights
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In general, people in the sports world keep their political leanings to themselves. Sure, there are a few guys who regularly speak out on political issues, but for the most part that's considered bad business. As Michael Jordan put it, "Republicans buy shoes too." That's why what the Phoenix Suns are doing is so amazing.
The team will be wearing its "Los Suns" jerseys for Wednesday night's Game 2 against the San Antonio Spurs "to honor [the] Latino community and the diversity of our league, the state of Arizona, and our nation." Awesome.
The decision to wear the jerseys came from way up the corporate ladder, as team owner Robert Sarver suggested the team wear their Noche Latina alternates.
Sarver, who was born and raised in Tucson, said frustration with the federal government's failure to deal with the illegal immigration issue led to the passage of what he called "a flawed state law."
"However intended, the result of passing the law is that our basic principles of equal rights and protection under the law are being called into question," he said, "and Arizona's already struggling economy will suffer even further setbacks at a time when the state can ill-afford them."
The Suns voted on the jerseys and unanimously decided to wear them for Cinco De Mayo. As if he weren't likeable enough, Phoenix guard Steve Nash(notes) succinctly summed up the Suns' feelings on the issue.
"I think it's fantastic," Nash said after Tuesday's practice. "I think the law is very misguided. I think it's, unfortunately, to the detriment of our society and our civil liberties. I think it's very important for us to stand up for things we believe in. As a team and as an organization, we have a lot of love and support for all of our fans. The league is very multicultural. We have players from all over the world, and our Latino community here is very strong and important to us."
And it's not just the Suns who are speaking out on this issue.
Spurs coach Gregg Popovich is on board, and the team even tried to get their "Los Spurs" jerseys, though it was too late to do so. When asked for approval to wear the jerseys, the NBA "was all for it," said Suns general manager Steve Kerr. Furthermore, NBA Players Association executive director Billy Hunter issued a press release, denouncing the law.
The recent passage of the new immigration law in Arizona is disappointing and disturbing. The National Basketball Players Association strongly supports the repeal or immediate modification of this legislation. Any attempt to encourage, tolerate or legalize racial profiling is offensive and incompatible with basic notions of fairness and equal protection. A law that unfairly targets one group is ultimately a threat to all.
We applaud the actions of Phoenix Suns players and management and join them in taking a stand against the misguided efforts of Arizona lawmakers. We are consulting with our members and our player leadership to determine the most effective way for our union to continue to voice our opposition to this legislation.
It's not much, just an extra three letters on the front of a tanktop, but it means a lot more. As Kerr said, the Suns want to "make sure that people understand that we know what's going on and we don't agree with the law itself." For a sports team, that's huge.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Suns-will-wear-Los-Suns-unis-to-honor-Phoenix-?urn=nba,238682
Well that should satisfy everyone involved with the issue.Im sure Hispanics and libs are breathing a great sigh of relief today and Im sure conservatives are saying "now THATS diversity".This was the obvious solution to the entire immigration issue.
Cant wait to see Derek Jeter change his name to see El Jeter or El Rey De Nueva York.
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yawn. you guys are just making up positions now.
for the 90th time... you pay informants $100 per illegal, and you let ICE catch them at work via paperwork - you never have to speak to the person unless the boss provides fake docs.
then you fine the boss, you deport their asses. You dry up the work, and many leave. You don't have to worry about some skinny 21 year old rookie cop taking on a car load of illegals with rifles who know they're about to get carded at 2 am. It's better to grab them at 7 am when they're washing breakfast dishes... then you boot them.
Dont take my word for it... benchmstr is a TX law enforcement, and he's against it. he knows more about the real conditions than any of us.
LOL bro im gonna report everybody I suspect is an illegal if thats the case you think ICE is going to be able to keep up?
what if you dont know where they work, they dont get reported?
LOL thats one persons opinion bro I have a friends dad who is retired from the sheriffs dept that thinks its a great law...why not take his word?
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then you fine the boss, you deport their asses. You dry up the work, and many leave. You don't have to worry about some skinny 21 year old rookie cop taking on a car load of illegals with rifles who know they're about to get carded at 2 am. It's better to grab them at 7 am when they're washing breakfast dishes... then you boot them.
the thing is you dips shit those ppl are going to get pulled over regardless b/c they did something illegal in the first place that caused that police officer to pull them over...he didnt pull them over simply b/c they looked mexican.
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Well that should satisfy everyone involved with the issue.Im sure Hispanics and libs are breathing a great sigh of relief today and Im sure conservatives are saying "now THATS diversity".This was the obvious solution to the entire immigration issue.
Cant wait to see Derek Jeter change his name to see El Jeter or El Rey De Nueva York.
The Muts already the Los Mets thing down pat. thank God the NY Yankees have not gone down that road.
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LOL bro im gonna report everybody I suspect is an illegal if thats the case you think ICE is going to be able to keep up?
what if you dont know where they work, they dont get reported?
LOL thats one persons opinion bro I have a friends dad who is retired from the sheriffs dept that thinks its a great law...why not take his word?
Arizona Sheriff Clarence Dupnik thinks it's a racist law passed by the Arizona government only to divert attention away from their mismanagement of the state. Why not take his word?
Here's another AZ Sheriff (interview starts @ 4:45).
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ICE could afford to emply more officers with the $10k per illegal worker that they are charging employers.
however, I think after a few highly publicized busts, employers are going to start letting the illegals go. If you have a couple of illegals, you would essentially lose your business. So you'll tell them sorry, but they gotta go.
Then many of them will go home. Without violence to our police at 2 AM with a carload of unkonwns.
Of course, you're not the one doing those late night police stops, so maybe that isn't a concern for you. I had LEOs in my family - they're scared on every single night stop. You make it so the animals are cornered, they'll get violent, unfortunately.
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Sheriff Clarence of Arizona thinks it's a racist law passed by the Arizona government only to divert attention away from their mismanagement of the state. Why not take his word?
LOL there are also sheriffs in arizona that are for the law why not take their word? ::)
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How about as a taxpayer I make the choice not to pay taxes and abide by the laws that these people pass?
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Los Mets.Ha,ha,ha,other then selling more jerseys,what does this accomplish?
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ICE could afford to emply more officers with the $10k per illegal worker that they are charging employers.
however, I think after a few highly publicized busts, employers are going to start letting the illegals go. If you have a couple of illegals, you would essentially lose your business. So you'll tell them sorry, but they gotta go.
Then many of them will go home. Without violence to our police at 2 AM with a carload of unkonwns.
Of course, you're not the one doing those late night police stops, so maybe that isn't a concern for you. I had LEOs in my family - they're scared on every single night stop. You make it so the animals are cornered, they'll get violent, unfortunately.
AGAIN brainchild since this law states that contact must be made in a lawful way these illegals would be getting pulled over anyway ::) Dont tell me Im not concerned about LEO dip shit
also again what if you dont know where they work? what if they dont work?
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Los Mets.Ha,ha,ha,other then selling more jerseys,what does this accomplish?
The MUTS have hired mostly people from the DR and went with the whole Latin thing, which has really screwed their image in NY. Even though they are in second place their attendance sucks since white people, who make up most of the paying fans, really dont want to be subjected to that crap.
The NY Yankees are where the action is at as far as baseball in NYC
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it certainly is...follow his logic hugo and tell me where im wrong.
he is against this law b/c he feels that even a single american citizens rights might get violated so this isnt a good law...
nobody has ever been pulled over when they didnt legitimately do anything wrong right? benchmstr confessed that he himself used to randomly pull ppl over to check their shit...so logically 240 should be against those laws as well...every law can be used to violate civil rights
now wait a second... You're fucking my mind on a few things here. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. When I was watching Lou a few years ago, there was only a handfull of "sanctuary cities" These were cities where if someone was pulled over, law enforcement was directed to not address or enquire about citizenship. There were only a handfull of cities that did that and Lou made a point of pointing them out. The rest, to my understanding from Lou Dobbs could check and report or detain them to hand over to the proper authority.
As far as 240 being concerned about the rest, I'm in understanding of the concern. I think it's a legit question we should be able to question without being labled pro-illegal. I'm worried about it. I have questions about it and I am way not pro illegal on this. I don't whatsoever like the notion of road stops where everyone has to submit their papers and be scrutinized.
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And people wonder why the MUTS get low attendance? ::) ::)
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And people wonder why the MUTS get low attendance? ::) ::)
ok, that was a minute 20 I want back.... WTF 3333?????
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And people wonder why the MUTS get low attendance? ::) ::)
Thats not the reason.The reason is the New York fans are scum bag band waggon jumpers.The freaking Yankees didnt draw shit when Bobby Mercer was roaming the outfield.New Yourk teams only draw when they win[except the Giants and Rangers].Other then that STRICTLY bandwaggon jumpers.
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George Steinbrenner did a lot for the team.
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now wait a second... You're fucking my mind on a few things here. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. When I was watching Lou a few years ago, there was only a handfull of "sanctuary cities" These were cities where if someone was pulled over, law enforcement was directed to not address or enquire about citizenship. There were only a handfull of cities that did that and Lou made a point of pointing them out. The rest, to my understanding from Lou Dobbs could check and report or detain them to hand over to the proper authority.
As far as 240 being concerned about the rest, I'm in understanding of the concern. I think it's a legit question we should be able to question without being labled pro-illegal. I'm worried about it. I have questions about it and I am way not pro illegal on this. I don't whatsoever like the notion of road stops where everyone has to submit their papers and be scrutinized.
of course its a legit question to ask as WITH ALL LAWS!!!!!!!
the difference is 240 is saying ppl are going to get pulled out of ice cream lines etc saying ppl are giving up liberty for protection...not saying hey there is a possibility that this law will get abused and at the same time not acknowledging that all laws have that potential and not acknowledging that he is giving up liberty when he agrees with any law.... ::)
huggy a version of this law has been common law for decades just not enforced is all there is no reason that if a law officer comes in contact with a person through legal means that he shouldnt have the ability to check into the legal status of an individual given there are reasons that they believe they arent a legal citizen...
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of course its a legit question to ask as WITH ALL LAWS!!!!!!!
the difference is 240 is saying ppl are going to get pulled out of ice cream lines etc saying ppl are giving up liberty for protection...not saying hey there is a possibility that this law will get abused and at the same time not acknowledging that all laws have that potential and not acknowledging that he is giving up liberty when he agrees with any law.... ::)
Unlike other laws, when this law gets abused, it will be abused against Latino American citizens.
huggy a version of this law has been common law for decades just not enforced is all there is no reason that if a law officer comes in contact with a person through legal means that he shouldnt have the ability to check into the legal status of an individual given there are reasons that they believe they arent a legal citizen...
"Reasonable suspicion", which is part of Arizona's new law and the most controversial part of it, is not part of common law.
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And they updated the law to deal with that.
BTW is only because the have 500,000 ILLEGAL mexicans there already.
If it were NYC - we have illegal irish, russians, jamaicans, mexicans etc.
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George Steinbrenner did a lot for the team.
Thats for sure!The greatest owner in the history of team sports.A man who will spend anything on his team to win!!!
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LOL there are also sheriffs in arizona that are for the law why not take their word? ::)
I have yet to hear one of them even try to define "Reasonable Suspicion" in the text of this new law. Either they have no clue or they know it's racial profiling.
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Unlike other laws, when this law gets abused, it will be abused against Latino American citizens.
LOL again with the race/ethinicity bullshit ::) then you sue just like all other laws that get abused, you bring it to the attention of higher ups again like all other laws that get abused.
"Reasonable suspicion", which is part of Arizona's new law and the most controversial part of it, is not part of common law.
what does the federal common law state loco?
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I have yet to hear one of them even try to define "Reasonable Suspicion" in the text of this new law. Either they have no clue or they know it's racial profiling.
again with the race/ethinicity bullshit
as far as I know the reasonable suspicion hasnt been difined as of yet, has it? maybe thats why they couldnt define it... ::)
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LOL again with the race/ethinicity bullshit ::) then you sue just like all other laws that get abused, you bring it to the attention of higher ups again like all other laws that get abused.
what does the federal common law state loco?
But you can't deny that it is Latino American Citizens who will be the targets when this law is abused.
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Only because out of the 500,000 illegals in AZ they make up about 499,999 of them.
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again with the race/ethinicity bullshit
as far as I know the reasonable suspicion hasnt been difined as of yet, has it? maybe thats why they couldnt define it... ::)
That's comforting to Latino American Citizens! This new law goes into effect in a couple of months and the people who will be enforcing this law still have no clue what "Reasonable Suspicion" means in the text of this law.
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That's comforting to Latino American Citizens! This new law goes into effect in a couple of months and the people who will be enforcing this law still have no clue what "Reasonable Suspicion" means in the text of this law.
Yes because cops have a lot of time to go after illegals in Arizona.Here is a hint about cops,they dont like filling out paper work.They wont waste their time going after some jerkoff for his papers ESPECIALLY in Arizona where the crime rate is on the rise.My friend is a cop in NYC he sees drug deals go on and doesnt do a thing because he says he would be filling out paper work and arresting low level offenders all day long and he wouldnt have time to catch serious crimes.No cop is going to waste his time going afterr illegals unless he can get a crime on them.
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of course its a legit question to ask as WITH ALL LAWS!!!!!!!
the difference is 240 is saying ppl are going to get pulled out of ice cream lines etc saying ppl are giving up liberty for protection...not saying hey there is a possibility that this law will get abused and at the same time not acknowledging that all laws have that potential and not acknowledging that he is giving up liberty when he agrees with any law.... ::)
huggy a version of this law has been common law for decades just not enforced is all there is no reason that if a law officer comes in contact with a person through legal means that he shouldnt have the ability to check into the legal status of an individual given there are reasons that they believe they arent a legal citizen...
tony, don't use the excuse of "a version of this law has already" Hell, I don't agree with half of the bullshit laws passed. That doesn't do jack shit for me telling me something is already passed. I mean for fuck sakes, do you have any idea of how many crazy fucking silly ass laws our douchebag reps have passed? The last goddamned thing I'm going to do is base my current opinion on what some group of cigar smoking fat fags pasted 15 years ago.....
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But you can't deny that it is Latino American Citizens who will be the targets when this law is abused.
no more so than any other law abused in that region again...if an area is predominatly hispanic who do you think gets pulled over the most?
address my points why not simply bring up the abuse when it happens?
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That's comforting to Latino American Citizens! This new law goes into effect in a couple of months and the people who will be enforcing this law still have no clue what "Reasonable Suspicion" means in the text of this law.
LOL arent you happy that they are taking the time to closely look at this issue and deal with it accordingly?
cant please you for shit loco ::)
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tony, don't use the excuse of "a version of this law has already" Hell, I don't agree with half of the bullshit laws passed. That doesn't do jack shit for me telling me something is already passed. I mean for fuck sakes, do you have any idea of how many crazy fucking silly ass laws our douchebag reps have passed? The last goddamned thing I'm going to do is base my current opinion on what some group of cigar smoking fat fags pasted 15 years ago.....
why didnt you address the idiocy of 240's posts and flawed thinking? you gave me an eyeroll, biased? ;) but ill let that go ;D
agreed and some laws still on the books from decades ago should be wiped off them. Im not using this as reasoning for the bill hugo simply showing that this type of legislation has been deemed legal.
why shouldnt a police officer have the ability to check the legal status of a person if in the course of a lawful investigation they find reasoning that leads them to believe a person may not be legal?
How are you supposed to enforce a law that you cant inquire about?
this is basically saying that a police officer after pulling someone over for speeding and upon smelling alcohol cannot inquire if the person has been drinking...just assinine
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why didnt you address the idiocy of 240's posts and flawed thinking? you gave me an eyeroll, biased? ;) but ill let that go ;D
agreed and some laws still on the books from decades ago should be wiped off them. Im not using this as reasoning for the bill hugo simply showing that this type of legislation has been deemed legal.
why shouldnt a police officer have the ability to check the legal status of a person if in the course of a lawful investigation they find reasoning that leads them to believe a person may not be legal?
How are you supposed to enforce a law that you cant inquire about?
this is basically saying that a police officer after pulling someone over for speeding and upon smelling alcohol cannot inquire if the person has been drinking...just assinine
I'm only talking for myself on this issue. I'm most certainly not talking for 240 or anyone else. Just addressing things from my perspective and not anyone elses. Yea, I also already agree with what you said if I get it right. So like if a cop pulls somebody over for speeding, they should be able to check for their immigration status if there is cause to do so. I'm totally for that. The new AZ law opens things up for much more than that.... I can easily see papers please checkpoints for everyone entering and leaving in a few years if this stands. Thanks but no thanks....
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LOL arent you happy that they are taking the time to closely look at this issue and deal with it accordingly?
cant please you for shit loco ::)
They should have taken the time to closely look at this issue before signing it into law.
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While I still favor the law, I think they should have made it "probable cause" as opposed to "reasonable suspicion".
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I'm only talking for myself on this issue. I'm most certainly not talking for 240 or anyone else. Just addressing things from my perspective and not anyone elses. Yea, I also already agree with what you said if I get it right. So like if a cop pulls somebody over for speeding, they should be able to check for their immigration status if there is cause to do so. I'm totally for that. The new AZ law opens things up for much more than that.... I can easily see papers please checkpoints for everyone entering and leaving in a few years if this stands. Thanks but no thanks....
lol do you think that 240 saying ppl are giving up liberty for protection while agreeing with other laws isnt idiotic? but apparently me pointing this flawed logic out deserves an eye roll? :o ::)
well thats just the way the law works hugo and its like that for any law...you know why they can set up road blocks to check for drunk drivers?
are you against those types of road blocks too?
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They should have taken the time to closely look at this issue before signing it into law.
see how quickly they will lose their love for you in America? The moment you say something they don't like, they'll turn on you and lable you. Last year none of these guys would have had an issue with you. Now they're on you like flies on shit over one issue. Welcome to the club ;D
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They should have taken the time to closely look at this issue before signing it into law.
I can agree to that but you still wouldnt have been in support of this law would you?
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see how quickly they will lose their love for you in America? The moment you say something they don't like, they'll turn on you and lable you. Last year none of these guys would have had an issue with you. Now they're on you like flies on shit over one issue. Welcome to the club ;D
I like Loco a lot, he argues his points well and notice how the threads he is in usually have decent debates?
I am not turning on him at all and think he is geniune in his beliefs on this. And his arguments have made me think that they should have at least made it "probable cause" vs "reasonable suspicion."
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While I still favor the law, I think they should have made it "probable cause" as opposed to "reasonable suspicion".
wouldnt change anything...the same misinformation would be presented by the same ppl that are doing it now...
I agree though that the law should be more defined and also that the citizens should not be allowed to sue officers if they feel they should have checked somebody but didnt.
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see how quickly they will lose their love for you in America? The moment you say something they don't like, they'll turn on you and lable you. Last year none of these guys would have had an issue with you. Now they're on you like flies on shit over one issue. Welcome to the club ;D
LOL not at all I like loco Ive seen him post not alot on the politics board but on other boards and even politics wise we are generally of the same mind for the most part. I think he is definetly biased on this bill though and thats were his dislike stems from imho but that doesnt mean Im dont like the guy.
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lol do you think that 240 saying ppl are giving up liberty for protection while agreeing with other laws isnt idiotic? but apparently me pointing this flawed logic out deserves an eye roll? :o ::)
well thats just the way the law works hugo and its like that for any law...you know why they can set up road blocks to check for drunk drivers?
are you against those types of road blocks too?
wait, tony... I had to stop at 240... why are you still asking me about 240? I'm not 240's guardian. I'm not here to protect him. I have no desire to do so. I get along with him but that's about it. We don't share some bond where i have to defend him. I did not enter into this thread with any intention of defending 240. I'm only speaking from a point of my own opinion. So if you wanna retype the post without calling me out on 240 I'll read and reply. You always call me out on 240, I'm not here to defend him so lets move on please. He's a big boy and can handle himself fine.
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wait, tony... I had to stop at 240... why are you still asking me about 240? I'm not 240's guardian. I'm not here to protect him. I have no desire to do so. I get along with him but that's about it. We don't share some bond where i have to defend him. I did not enter into this thread with any intention of defending 240. I'm only speaking from a point of my own opinion. So if you wanna retype the post without calling me out on 240 I'll read and reply. You always call me out on 240, I'm not here to defend him so lets move on please. He's a big boy and can handle himself fine.
b/c you commented on my comment of his...you gave my comment an eye roll remember?
whats your opinion on his thoughts that ppl are trading liberty for protection on this law but not realizing that if anybody agrees with any law they are giving up liberty for protection, ppl are going to get pulled out of ice cream lines etc...
Im not asking you to speak for him only your opinion on his comment broham. you had no problem commenting on mine so id like to hear your opinion on his...
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see how quickly they will lose their love for you in America? The moment you say something they don't like, they'll turn on you and lable you. Last year none of these guys would have had an issue with you. Now they're on you like flies on shit over one issue. Welcome to the club ;D
Nah, I like tonymctones and 333386. We agree on some things and disagree on others. Nothing wrong with that. And they have kept the debate civil.
But I know what you mean, Hugo! Others here haven't kept it civil. One day I'm a Neo-Con, Neo-Capitalist, W. Bush lover, Republican, right-winger....which I never was any of those things. The next day, just for opposing this one law, suddenly I'm a Neo-liberal, evil commie...LOL ;D
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I can agree to that but you still wouldnt have been in support of this law would you?
I'm anti-illegal immigration. How about enforcing exiting laws to prosecute those who hire illegals, including giants like Smithfield Foods and Tyson Foods? How about amending existing laws to deny illegal immigrants government benefits? How about amending the constitution so that a baby born in the US from illegal parents is not automatically an American citizen? I support these.
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I'm anti-illegal immigration. How about enforcing exiting laws to prosecute those who hire illegals, including giants like Smithfield Foods and Tyson Foods? How about amending existing laws to deny illegal immigrants government benefits? How about amending the constitution so that a baby born in the US from illegal parents is not automatically an American citizen. I support these.
as am I but you see there also needs to be a way for law enforcement to determine the status of a person...
what way would you be ok with that would meet that end?
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as am I but you see there also needs to be a way for law enforcement to determine the status of a person...
Not if the things I mentioned are done. Then illegals would leave and would have no reason to come back. No jobs and no government benefits = no illegals.
what way would you be ok with that would meet that end?
None. The only way that I see is unacceptable: Require all American citizens to carry proof of citizenship at all times. Either Latino American citizens get screwed, or all American citizens get screwed. To me this is not a good law anyway I look at it. Besides, it accomplishes nothing. You deport illegals and they come right back.
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Not if the things I mentioned are done. Then illegasl would leave and would have no reason to come back. No jobs and no government benefits = no illegals.
youre not that ignorant bro...there will always be illegals in this country, there will always be companies that hire illegals in this country...
None. The only way that I see is unacceptable: Require all American citizens to carry proof of citizenship at all times. Either Latino American citizens get screwed, or all American citizens get screwed. To me this is not a good law anyway I look at it. Besides, it accomplishes nothing. You deport illegals and they come right back.
LOL nobody is saying that this is the only thing that needs to be done loco you keep bringing up other stuff that WE ALL AGREE WITH!!! tighting border security, cutting benefits, going after companies is something we all agree with...but again there will always bee illegals in this country there are self sustaining communities out there bro of illegals...there has to be a way of identifying illegals plain and simple
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anyway lets get to the important thing, the los stands for lose as in lose to the spurs in this series. period.
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brutal 240 obsession tony
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AGAIN brainchild since this law states that contact must be made in a lawful way these illegals would be getting pulled over anyway ::) Dont tell me Im not concerned about LEO dip shit
also again what if you dont know where they work? what if they dont work?
Yo dipshit! You don't report people you suspect are illegal, ...only the ones you know are illegal. If you are intimately acquainted enough with a person's information to know they are in the country illegally, ...then you should know be intimately acquainted enough with them to know where they work.
This is beginning to look llike Nazi Germany all over again... reporting on your neighbours... reporting suspected Jews... reporting those who hide or harbour jews... Wake the F up!
And if they do not work... there's a 90% chance they are not violating any laws.
Some visitors to the US can stay up to 6 months at a time, and a day trip across the tijuana border starts the 6 month process all over again. An individual can stay in the USA indefinately without violating any immigration laws.
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brutal 240 obsession tony
nothing compared to your palin obsession and it would have only been one comment if not for the misunderstanding ;)
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Yo dipshit! You don't report people you suspect are illegal, ...only the ones you know are illegal. If you are intimately acquainted enough with a person's information to know they are in the country illegally, ...then you should know be intimately acquainted enough with them to know where they work.
This is beginning to look llike Nazi Germany all over again... reporting on your neighbours... reporting suspected Jews... reporting those who hide or harbour jews... Wake the F up!
And if they do not work... there's a 90% chance they are not violating any laws.
Some visitors to the US can stay up to 6 months at a time, and a day trip across the tijuana border starts the 6 month process all over again. An individual can stay in the USA indefinately without violating any immigration laws.
LOL what does it matter are they going to penalize me if I get it wrong? NO well then shit why not take a shot if im right i get 100 bucks... ;)
so the ppl that know them imtimately are the ones youre depending on to turn them in? like family members, friends of the family, the ppl they work for? LMAO good luck with that shit!!!!!
visitors are here on visa's most illegal immigrants are not!!!
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see how quickly they will lose their love for you in America? The moment you say something they don't like, they'll turn on you and lable you. Last year none of these guys would have had an issue with you. Now they're on you like flies on shit over one issue. Welcome to the club ;D
I don't know why I'm tickled by your analogy likening loco to a piece of horse shit, ...but I am. lol. :D
You're right in your commentary, ...and so is he. (I hate agreeing with him). This law is very myopic.
the only thing is does do however, is push immigration reform to the forefront... and distract from the other pressing issues facing society.
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I don't know why I'm tickled by your analogy likening loco to a piece of horse shit, ...but I am. lol. :D
You're right in your commentary, ...and so is he. (I hate agreeing with him). This law is very myopic.
the only thing is does do however, is push immigration reform to the forefront... and distract from the other pressing issues facing society.
its one part of a multiple part process of course if you look at simply one part of the process its myopic ::)
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are those pics you jag?
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are those pics you jag?
Yes, those are pics of Jag.
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Yes, those are pics of Jag.
heheheheh ;D
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Damn loco, somewhere deep down inside, you have an evil streak...
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Damn loco, somewhere deep down inside, you have an evil streak...
Don't we all? :)
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Badscreen shots taken from a moving pic are always ghastly!
Those make me want to vomit!
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Badscreen shots taken from a moving pic are always ghastly!
Those make me want to vomit!
post up a good one then...
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post up a good one then...
You can't possibly get a good screenshot from a moving video.
at least not by the [alt] + [print screen] command.
I've tried for years... it's damned near impossible. :-\
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You can't possibly get a good screenshot from a moving video.
at least not by the [alt] + [print screen] command.
I've tried for years... it's damned near impossible. :-\
Halle Berry - Swordfish
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You can't possibly get a good screenshot from a moving video.
at least not by the [alt] + [print screen] command.
I've tried for years... it's damned near impossible. :-\
post a still pic then
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sha right... she standing still.
Try that with someone in the middle of a monologue... then enlarge the shot 50 x's and show me how great it is.
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post a still pic then
on this board... are you smoking crack?! ???
I told ya... go rent the DVD.
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Werent you in that white tutu a while back?
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sha right... she standing still.
Try that with someone in the middle of a monologue... then enlarge the shot 50 x's and show me how great it is.
ever seen a baywatch poster ;)
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ever seen a baywatch poster ;)
Snaps shots taken by professionals with professional photographic equipment are a far cry from screenshots done by amateurs with an agenda.
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Snaps shots taken by professionals with professional photographic equipment are a far cry from screenshots done by amateurs with an agenda.
LOL excuses excuses post a still shot
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LOL excuses excuses post a still shot
I've posted all the still shots I'm going to.
Go rent the DVD... {just got a residual check from them... and I want another one) so go rent the DVD. ;)
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I've posted all the still shots I'm going to.
Go rent the DVD... {just got a residual check from them... and I want another one) so go rent the DVD. ;)
LOL which dvd? and whats the character I should look for?
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You can't possibly get a good screenshot from a moving video.
at least not by the [alt] + [print screen] command.
I've tried for years... it's damned near impossible. :-\
ever seen a baywatch poster ;)
Snaps shots taken by professionals with professional photographic equipment are a far cry from screenshots done by amateurs with an agenda.
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b/c you commented on my comment of his...you gave my comment an eye roll remember?
whats your opinion on his thoughts that ppl are trading liberty for protection on this law but not realizing that if anybody agrees with any law they are giving up liberty for protection, ppl are going to get pulled out of ice cream lines etc...
Im not asking you to speak for him only your opinion on his comment broham. you had no problem commenting on mine so id like to hear your opinion on his...
I was shocked that the question was even asked it sounded so silly. It had nothing to do with 240. I thought it was a stupid thing to say.
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I was shocked that the question was even asked it sounded so silly. It had nothing to do with 240. I thought it was a stupid thing to say.
no more silly than a person who agrees with some laws and then condemns ppl for "giving up liberty for protection"?
its like a math formula hugo you put in garbage you get garbage...240 put out alot of shit and he got alot of shit...
you still havent commented on his?
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So I take it 240 is still pushing his agenda to allow illegal immigrants to come to the US as long as they stay out of Florida?
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no more silly than a person who agrees with some laws and then condemns ppl for "giving up liberty for protection"?
its like a math formula hugo you put in garbage you get garbage...240 put out alot of shit and he got alot of shit...
you still havent commented on his?
sounds stupid to me. I've seen a lot of laws people had reservations about. Never seen someone challenge them by asking if they're against all laws ::)
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this is all retarded. The police are within their power to do this. If we catch illegals then they should be more careful.
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sounds stupid to me. I've seen a lot of laws people had reservations about. Never seen someone challenge them by asking if they're against all laws ::)
when there reservation is about giving up liberties to get protection which happens with all laws then it's a valid question...
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Oh brother. Talk about an overreaction. All this fuss over a crackdown on criminals? ::)
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Oh brother. Talk about an overreaction. All this fuss over a crackdown on criminals? ::)
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I don't see the problems here, Arizona is just enforcing the laws our Federal gov won't.
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I don't see the problems here, Arizona is just enforcing the laws our Federal gov won't.
I agree. I understand concerns over civil rights abuses, but I doubt that's going to be a problem. The extreme reaction by people in Arizona appears to be an attempt to protect illegals.
I read a stat the other that said there are something like well over 400,000 illegals in Arizona. That's just an epidemic.
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I agree. I understand concerns over civil rights abuses, but I doubt that's going to be a problem. The extreme reaction by people in Arizona appears to be an attempt to protect illegals.
I read a stat the other that said there are something like well over 400,000 illegals in Arizona. That's just an epidemic.
I bet there are just as many in California, and they are well protected by our fucked up government.
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and al sharpton is already jumping all over this. That just fuels my support for the law.