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NO back and lackluster conditioning.
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NO back and lackluster conditioning.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=14160&id=40560&Itemid=266)
His conditioning from the front was very good but from the back it sucked badly :-\ and he looked like a 280lb bodybuilder from the front and a 220ln one from the back , it's odd he completely shrunk from the back
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His conditioning from the front was very good but from the back it sucked badly :-\ and he looked like a 280lb bodybuilder from the front and a 220ln one from the back , it's odd he completely shrunk from the back
If Nasser looked like he was 220's from the back, then Dorian's legs and arms from the back must have made him look 200 or less, since they are smaller than Nasser's form that angle (and from the front angle too).
The difference in Nasser and Dorian's back is less pronounced that the picture implies because of the difference in angle.
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Nasser's back is just flat out embarrassing. Yates just kills him.
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If Nasser looked like he was 220's from the back, then Dorian's legs and arms from the back must have made him look 200 or less, since they are smaller than Nasser's form that angle (and from the front angle too).
The difference in Nasser and Dorian's back is less pronounced that the picture implies because of the difference in angle.
That year maybe , do these look like a ' 200 or less ' bodybuilder? I think not , his legs look comparable in size to Nasser that year
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The difference in backs is staggering :-\
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NO back and lackluster conditioning.
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+he was a fat ass lol :-X
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+he was a fat ass lol :-X
Nasser rarely had striated glutes if ever , his whole conditioning from the back was lacking
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sure dorian killed nasser from the back even in 97 but nasser killed him MORE from the front and killed him in more mandatory poses than yates did.. imo yates was better only in the 2 rear poses in this year.. also the judged should have marked yates down for missing one whole arm!!.. it was not only very small but also deformed!!.. the winner of the biggest BODY BUILDING show with a deformed part!! ::)
some asshole may say "but nasser also missed a back" but sure it's totally different, nasser's back only lacked the details of some of the other top finishers but his back was not deformed!!.. seriously nasser's only weak pose was the RDB, even his RLS was good and better than some of the other top finishers!!..
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Nasser destroyed yates that year and could easily have won
why should a bbing contest be won only from the back
he dominated yates badly everywhere else
so Dorian won from the back
but Nasser destroyed him from the side and front.. Yet Dorian wins ha ha you have to love bbing judging
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Let's not forget that in the BDB pose the whole package is being judged,including the arms,so Yates didn't look complete even in that pose!
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Nasser destroyed yates that year and could easily have won
why should a bbing contest be won only from the back
he dominated yates badly everywhere else
so Dorian won from the back
but Nasser destroyed him from the side and front.. Yet Dorian wins ha ha you have to love bbing judging
yes dorian's cock suckers boys always like to talk about back poses because no doubt dorian's back was great even at his worse condition it was still very good and much better than all the others but this didnt/doesnt mean to ignore all the other poses/bodyparts!!..
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Lol. Where did I ever state I thought yates should win? Personally I think Nasser looked better in 97. But I understand why they went with yates. Small arms vs NO back. Muscle shape isn't really judges according to the criteria, so thE deformed arm wasn't really an issue. If Nasser had anything. Lose to a back he would and should have won.
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I know the bodybuilding scene today is lackluster compared to these times mentioned but don't you all ever get tired of discussing something that happened over a decade ago ??? serious question
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Yates was injured,because he trained like a beast ....thats why his left arm sucked
Nassers back sucked because he trained like a pussy and was to weak willed to put in the effort to improve his back. He brought the same package to every contest.....good front, piss-poor back. The judges knew this and they never saw him look any different.. if he would have improved it he probably would have won an O or two.
But that was the "book" on him and he didn't do anything about it
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Lol. Where did I ever state I thought yates should win? Personally I think Nasser looked better in 97. But I understand why they went with yates. Small arms vs NO back. Muscle shape isn't really judges according to the criteria, so thE deformed arm wasn't really an issue. If Nasser had anything. Lose to a back he would and should have won.
didnt his left arm kill the symmetry with his right arm in many poses??..
didnt his relatively small arms/shoulders/chest kill the proportion with his huge wide back??..
didnt his injured bad conditioned relatively small quads kill the proportion with his great big calves??..
didnt he have a big pregnant belly on that day even when flexing??..
2 last question..
after ALL these points how did he win??..
and how did he do it with perfect scores??..
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I know the bodybuilding scene today is lackluster compared to these times mentioned but don't you all ever get tired of discussing something that happened over a decade ago ??? serious question
no we dont or you whouldn't have found us discussing it again and again!!..
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Yates was injured,because he trained like a beast ....thats why his left arm sucked
Nassers back sucked because he trained like a pussy and was to weak willed to put in the effort to improve his back. He brought the same package to every contest.....good front, piss-poor back. The judges knew this and they never saw him look any different.. if he would have improved it he probably would have won an O or two.
But that was the "book" on him and he didn't do anything about it
sure yates injured himself because of hard training but so what??.. was this supposed to make the judges ignore his deformed part?? ::)
so if nasser's back was bad because of his weak training why the rest of him was not bad??.. was he training his bad like a pussy then the rest of him like a monster?!..
son,.. bb is all genetics or let me say mainly genetics and you and i know this well!..
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Muscle shape isn't really judges according to the criteria, so thE deformed arm wasn't really an issue.
??? ::) ::) :-X
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so according to cock-sucker-wave if dorian's right arm was deformed too it would still not be an issue!!..
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Nasser destroyed yates that year and could easily have won
why should a bbing contest be won only from the back
he dominated yates badly everywhere else
so Dorian won from the back
but Nasser destroyed him from the side and front.. Yet Dorian wins ha ha you have to love bbing judging
Thanks meso - I've previously posted that you're a Nasser hater but I take that back :)
And yes SS the Dorian fans almost always only post back shots, also when comparing to Ronnie ::) They also ignore other bodyparts taht are visible in the back shots like arms, delts, legs.
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I was only kidding about his training effort but I think my other point is valid....The knock on Nasser was his back, glute and ham development and dryness.....and he never once came onstage with any notable improvement....it was always the same old Nasser in the judges eyes
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??? ::) ::) :-X
hey I don't agree with it but no where inthe criteria is muscle shape mentioned.
And it's been shown time and time again that judges look at size and conditioning over everything else. Sad but true.
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LOL at how Dorian fans always refer to him as the greatest ever,because he dominated the 90-s,the decade with the greatest competitors,yet when it comes to 94 and 97(his worst years) they always explain his "wins"with a weak competition.
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so according to cock-sucker-wave if dorian's right arm was deformed too it would still not be an issue!!..
lol sounds like someone is sensitive his hero had no back.
Hey I've said I think Nasser should have won that o. But I can see why he didn't. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but that's how the judges judge. Size and conditioning, and the back is of high priority. Don't be pissy cause your hero didn't show up with what the judges wanted to see. Lol
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LOL at how Dorian fans always refer to him as the greatest ever,because he dominated the 90-s,the decade with the greatest competitors,yet when it comes to 94 and 97(his worst years) they always explain his "wins"with a weak competition.
where do you see me arguing why I agreed with him winning? I think Nasser looks better. I'm explaining why the judges gave him the win. It's because they like size and condiioning with a huge back. Agree or disagree doesn't matter that's the way it is.
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hey I don't agree with it but no where inthe criteria is muscle shape mentioned.
And it's been shown time and time again that judges look at size and conditioning over everything else. Sad but true.
According to Jim Manion(chairman of the IFBB Pro Division):"Distended abdomens and distorted muscles negatively impact upon symmetry and natural aesthetics and,therefore,detract from the overall physique."
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where do you see me arguing why I agreed with him winning? I think Nasser looks better. I'm explaining why the judges gave him the win. It's because they like size and condiioning with a huge back. Agree or disagree doesn't matter that's the way it is.
I was just speaking generally,but since you recognized yourself...
Don't get me wrong,I respect Dorian's personality much more than Nasser's,but Nasser just looked better on that particular day,I agree with you.
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Nasser destroyed Dorian
I would like for someone to show me where it is written in stone that a bbing contest should be won from the back... This just proves the fallacy of bbing judging
to anyone with comon sense and functioning eyes
Nasser beat Dorian in more areas than Dorian beat him
Nasser was robbed Dorian is a basically FUX with a amazing back
UGLY PHYSIQUE
I still want to know why a bbing contest hast to be won from the back even and not the front
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i like the powerful look on nasser back and front, he makes everyone look flat, but it looks like nasser won in 1997, that fdb of yates cant be overlooked.
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Lol. Where did I ever state I thought yates should win? Personally I think Nasser looked better in 97. But I understand why they went with yates. Small arms vs NO back. Muscle shape isn't really judges according to the criteria, so thE deformed arm wasn't really an issue. If Nasser had anything. Lose to a back he would and should have won.
Symmetry is part of the judging criteria and a smaller arm/arms would also have a negative impact on proportions.
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At least Yates had one good arm.
Nasser had NO back.... And soggy glutes and hams
The Mr O is a conditioned mass game. Nasser lacked this, he was never as dry as Yates....not even close. No one his size ever has been
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Nassers conditioning is piss poor. No delt striations, no vascularity, no nothing. That's how some pros look in the Off-Season.
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At least Yates had one good arm.
Nasser had NO back.... And soggy glutes and hams
The Mr O is a conditioned mass game. Nasser lacked this, he was never as dry as Yates....not even close. No one his size ever has been
yeah but none of that matters , all that matters is if he didn't have any torn muscles and they were ' bigger ' albeit softer
they can have 1997 it means what in the scheme of things? Nasser beat a career worse Dorian? Yipppppeeeeee Nasser couldn't touch Yates at his best so they can win this battle and Dorian still wins the war
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It's simple!!
No striated glutes = NO sandow.
Now get pumping those buns, studs!
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the only reason Nasser lost the 1996 and 97 olympias were because of the corrupt IFBB judges and politics.
Yates was installed as the white -anglo poster boy, it was what mcgough, demilia, weinberger and manion wanted.
Olympia outcomes are all predetermined by what Manion/demilia formerly wants. THAT IS THE TRUTH
Nasser beats dorian easily bests Dorian in every pose except the RDB, even in the RLS Nasser is clearly better than yates
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I was only kidding about his training effort but I think my other point is valid....The knock on Nasser was his back, glute and ham development and dryness.....and he never once came onstage with any notable improvement....it was always the same old Nasser in the judges eyes
hey big man you always say this after every time i expose your ignorance ;)
"i was only kidding"..."i was just messing with you shareef" :-X
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Nassers conditioning is piss poor. No delt striations, no vascularity, no nothing. That's how some pros look in the Off-Season.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=330451.0;attach=371496;image)
ok but could you plz help me to see dorian's delt striation!!.. dorian's shoulders were very poor in comparsion to any of the other top pros in his time even in 1995!!..
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+he was a fat ass lol :-X
Kinda ironic, he said that about Flex, lol!
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Shawn destroyed Dorian
I would like for someone to show me where it is written in stone that a bbing contest should be won from the back... This just proves the fallacy of bbing judging
to anyone with comon sense and functioning eyes
Shawn beat Dorian in more areas than Dorian beat him
Shawn was robbed Dorian is a basically FUX with a amazing back
UGLY PHYSIQUE
I still want to know why a bbing contest hast to be won from the back even and not the front
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At least Yates had one good arm.
Nasser had NO back.... And soggy glutes and hams
The Mr O is a conditioned mass game. Nasser lacked this, he was never as dry as Yates....not even close. No one his size ever has been
nasser's hams were GREAT, shape wise and size wise.. they went in a good way with his amazing quads!!..
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even at his very best in 95 dorian couldnt come close to nasser (who was not at his best) from the front!!.. nasser owns him badly in everything especially in the quads area!!
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I hate to say this, but Dorian's Gut in 97 was completely out of hand. It looked like it was about to spill over into the 3rd row. :-[
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Yates received the most gift wins of any Mr O winner
true winners should have been
93 FLex
94 Shawn
95 Nasser or KEvin
96 Nasser
97 Nasser
truly Yates was in the right place @ the right time
those who think he was such a great , complete dominant BB are deluded
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Yates received the most gift wins of any Mr O winner
true winners should have been
93 FLex
94 Shawn
95 Nasser or KEvin
96 Nasser
97 Nasser
truly Yates was in the right place @ the right time
those who think he was such a great , complete dominant BB are deluded
Are you Nasser? ;D
Seriously, you keep posting this same things over in almost every thread that involves bb from the 90s.
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im just stating the truth that many ppl on these boards either dont like or refuse to acknowledge because they are such Dorian nuthuggers :P
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im just stating the truth that many ppl on these boards either dont like or refuse to acknowledge because they are such Dorian nuthuggers :P
No because they are not blinded by their nasser nuthhuggery like your cabal.
It's rather amusing that the TRUTH is too much for nasser and his sheep so they prefer to warp the truth to suit their fantasy world.
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Nasser was big but he wasn't that aesthetic and his back sucked so get over it already - this is almost worse than ND and Hulkster and their constant flare ups.
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Nasser should have won .. Dorian sure isn't aesthetic either .. How can Nasser win from the front and side yet they give it to Dorian because he won from the back pro bb judging is a farce
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Nasser should have won .. Dorian sure isn't aesthetic either .. How can Nasser win from the front and side yet they give it to Dorian because he won from the back pro bb judging is a farce
Nasser had such a weak back, that it would embarassing to give him anything. Every Mr.O had a great back and also was a warrior in the gym, Nasser had neither. Dorian was injured from his brutal training. Nasser was injured from synthol. Nasser was an embarrassment to the sport. Remember, he only had a few wins compared to Dorians numerous Mr. O wins. Nasser=OWNED
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Nasser had such a weak back, that it would embarassing to give him anything. Every Mr.O had a great back and also was a warrior in the gym, Nasser had neither. Dorian was injured from his brutal training. Nasser was injured from synthol. Nasser was an embarrassment to the sport. Remember, he only had a few wins compared to Dorians numerous Mr. O wins. Nasser=OWNED
Excellent point.
It wasn't like Nasser was winning shows left and right, but couldn't win the big one.
He has a few gran prix wins...which are little more than guest posings which happened to be judged and his ONLY major show victoy was a gift...to be perfectly honest. Nasser placed exactly where he should have...he was good, not great.
Dorian may have had his flaws but when Nassr turned to the rear it was laughable
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Excellent point.
It wasn't like Nasser was winning shows left and right, but couldn't win the big one.
He has a few gran prix wins...which are little more than guest posings which happened to be judged and his ONLY major show victoy was a gift...to be perfectly honest. Nasser placed exactly where he should have...he was good, not great.
Dorian may have had his flaws but when Nassr turned to the rear it was laughable
and if you turned to the rear in front of me it would be laughable too because i would slap your fat ass with a swift kick :D
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Shereeef....I would tape a hand grenade to your head and use you as a rocket-propelled-penis
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Incredible. That slaps Nasser around all day.
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nasser's back actually wasnt 'horrible' or 'laughable' at all. Dorian's was definitely better and thats how he won, but it doesnt mean nasser had a Strydom-like back.
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Unbeatable
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Unbeatable
but this is not 97!!.. ::)
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nasser's back actually wasnt 'horrible' or 'laughable' at all. Dorian's was definitely better and thats how he won, but it doesnt mean nasser had a Strydom-like back.
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on the other hand dorian's small deformed arm and his big belly on that day were horible and laughable!!..
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Still no one has answred my question. Which genius decided that a bbing contest should be won from the back... Why does it have to be won from the back... Dorian got disciplined by Nasser from the front and side... Simple math that's TWO angles Nasser trounced Dorian from... Plus Nasser had better flow and body part for body part he embarassed Dorian arms chest delts legs ... Nasser was superior ... Dorian only won from the back.... To make matters worst Dorian had one 15 inch arm and one 19 inch arm on that huge blocky torso... And you guys think he should have beaten Nasser ... It's so easy for some people to be brainwashed. But the quandary for me is why must a bbing be won from the back .... :-\
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Still no one has answred my question. Which genius decided that a bbing contest should be won from the back... Why does it have to be won from the back... Dorian got disciplined by Nasser from the front and side... Simple math that's TWO angles Nasser trounced Dorian from... Plus Nasser had better flow and body part for body part he embarassed Dorian arms chest delts legs ... Nasser was superior ... Dorian only won from the back.... To make matters worst Dorian had one 15 inch arm and one 19 inch arm on that huge blocky torso... And you guys think he should have beaten Nasser ... It's so easy for some people to be brainwashed. But the quandary for me is why must a bbing be won from the back .... :-\
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and you are not even a member in the team :D
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It's amazing how the pumpkinheads point to Nassers back as if it was horrible. Yes Dorian had a slight edge on Nasser in the back, but from the front the pharaoh of muscle was in a class by himself. A rare combination of jaw dropping size and breathtaking aesthetics (not to mention movie star good looks), Nasser should have won that Olympia (and two others, at least!)
I find it laughable that people clown Nasser's back. I wish I had that "crappy" of a back any day of the week. Still like the wise ones have mentioned in the thread, what about judging from the front? I bet if you showed 100 people the photos from that show, at least 90% would pick the wizard as the champion. The Pharaoh had bigger arms, better legs, and a much superior midsection. He was clearly the champ that year.
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Still no one has answred my question. Which genius decided that a bbing contest should be won from the back... Why does it have to be won from the back... Dorian got disciplined by Nasser from the front and side... Simple math that's TWO angles Nasser trounced Dorian from... Plus Nasser had better flow and body part for body part he embarassed Dorian arms chest delts legs ... Nasser was superior ... Dorian only won from the back.... To make matters worst Dorian had one 15 inch arm and one 19 inch arm on that huge blocky torso... And you guys think he should have beaten Nasser ... It's so easy for some people to be brainwashed. But the quandary for me is why must a bbing be won from the back .... :-\
Well as usual you mistakenly assumed he only won it ' from the back ' when in fact he didn't , Nasser clearly wins the standing relaxed from the front and the front double biceps pose , and maybe the ab-thigh Dorian wins the front latspread , now turn to the sides , Dorian wins the 1/4 turns and side triceps and side chest and then turn them around and Dorian obliterates him from the back it's no contest
I really don't care about 1997 , you can give it to Nasser , what did he accomplish? he beat a career worse Dorian , wow wee it's like Jay beating Ronnie in 06
the reason Nasser lost in 1997 was his mediocre conditioning and his massive liability of a back. The back is a huge and complex muscle group you think Dorian's torn bicep and tricep are more a liability than missing clear development , detail and density of an entire group? it looks like someone took an eraser to Nasser's back
There are two people , one who vastly understates his pathetic back and people who know how pathetic it is. break down the back and compare
traps - Dorian's are larger and thicker with more detail and density , Nasser's traps are pretty big but not Yates big or as dense and detailed
teres - same as above you look at the difference in just physical size , depth and separation between the two it's no contest , you can see on Dorian the clear separation from the infraspinatus and lats and they look like tissue paper covering raw muscle , on Nasser it's barely noticeable and looks washed over
infraspinatus - exact same as above the clear separation between it and the teres and the lats & traps , you can see it on Nasser like Yates , which shows you his back is not as dense , i.e. his back is carrying more subcutaneous fat and more water
lats - whoa guess who has another clear advantage here? Nasser may be , and that's being kind may be as ' wide ' as Dorian and that's it. the difference again is staggering , Dorian's are thicker , denser and more detailed his lower lats are feathered with striations in a manor which Nasser's NEVER were
erector spinae - Dorian again just outclasses Nasser in this area , there is NO discussion when it comes to any part of the back. Dorian's are thicker more detailed which is exactly why his x-mass tree is clearly defined and Nasser never had one
Dorian's back is thicker , denser , drier and more detailed as a whole there is NO comparison in backs and you think a torn tricep and bicep are worse than a back that's missing traps , teres , infranspinatus , lats and spinal erectors? a back that's missing comparable thickness and physical size in relation to his other parts?
You dislike Dorian at all costs because you like men with pretty physiques , you're ignorant on how contests are judged and are also incapable of looking past your own preferences and biases , so just because things don't match your slanted view on how things should have went doesn't mean the sport is the one with the problem.
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No disrespect nd but you were the LAST person I wanted to objectively answer my question... You are completely biased when it comes to Dorian.... I think you love Dorian more than he loves himself
so.. While your answer is lengthy I'm still waiting on a neutral party to answer my question
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No disrespect nd but you were the LAST person I wanted to objectively answer my question... You are completely biased when it comes to Dorian.... I think you love Dorian more than he loves himself
so.. While your answer is lengthy I'm still waiting on a neutral party to answer my question
You can't refute anything I just typed and are stifled by facts. And how am I not being objective? I said you can outright give Nasser 1997 I don't care but the facts remain the facts so once again you are flat-out wrong as are you by claiming Dorian is my favorite bodybuilder , he's not , not by a long shot but unlike you I know what wins a contest even if I don't think it's an ideal
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I can totally refute ... What your sayin but personally I don't believe in fruitless endeavors. You arr blindly in love with Dorian phsique 90% of your posts are in regard to Dorian so yes I would conclude Dorian is your favourite bber. The mere fact that you would put foward any kind of argument for Dorian winning any titles with one arm says tells me when it comes to Dorian all sense of logic from your perspective is lost.
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I can totally refute ... What your sayin but personally I don't believe in fruitless endeavors. You arr blindly in love with Dorian phsique 90% of your posts are in regard to Dorian so yes I would conclude Dorian is your favourite bber. The mere fact that you would put foward any kind of argument for Dorian winning any titles with one arm says tells me when it comes to Dorian all sense of logic from your perspective is lost.
You can't refute anything , you'd have to be knowledgeable in order to do so and you don't know anything except what you like. you can ' conclude ' what you'd like it's still wrong , you conclude a lot of things that contradict facts nothing new with you , you make gross blanket statements offer up no elaboration of any sort and think you proven a point? oh-boy ::)
you're bias against Yates is so blatant you will harp on his ' missing arm ' while claiming Nasser should have won despite missing an entire back , can you say hypocrite? what was that about ' sense of logic ' and ' perspective ' again?
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I'm not going to get dragged into a debate a la the "truce thread" which nearly 3000 pages long ... And you don't have a Dorian bias (uh right) I have no bias against Dorian and 2 you are not the authority on bbing judging.... I will repeat Dorian good condition good back yes ... That's it small arms ugly phsique wide waiste
if at the time the mr o was called the mr back competition then yes Dorian should win.
But to my knowledge a bbing competition should be JUDGED FROM ALL ANGLES. Dorian loses from the front sides and on multiple bodyparts. End of
now can someone who isn't biased try to explain why should a bber be allowed to win from the back one angle even with torn limbs.
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Still no one has answred my question. Which genius decided that a bbing contest should be won from the back... Why does it have to be won from the back... Dorian got disciplined by Nasser from the front and side... Simple math that's TWO angles Nasser trounced Dorian from... Plus Nasser had better flow and body part for body part he embarassed Dorian arms chest delts legs ... Nasser was superior ... Dorian only won from the back.... To make matters worst Dorian had one 15 inch arm and one 19 inch arm on that huge blocky torso... And you guys think he should have beaten Nasser ... It's so easy for some people to be brainwashed. But the quandary for me is why must a bbing be won from the back .... :-\
I hope Jay Cutler didnt win his Sandows from the back.
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That's the case apparent ... Flex (the magazine) said he caught Coleman from the back in 2005 (oh brother ::) ) that set the stage for Coleman being dethroned in 2006 because from the front Coleman won ... But when he turned around his left lat was missing so justifiably he lost as should anyone with a torn visible muscle.... The let Dorian win the mr o with a torn 15 inch arm
that is what they crowned as the greatest phsique .... Bbing judging is a joke
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I'm not going to get dragged into a debate a la the "truce thread" which nearly 3000 pages long ... And you don't have a Dorian bias (uh right) I have no bias against Dorian and 2 you are not the authority on bbing judging.... I will repeat Dorian good condition good back yes ... That's it small arms ugly phsique wide waiste
if at the time the mr o was called the mr back competition then yes Dorian should win.
But to my knowledge a bbing competition should be JUDGED FROM ALL ANGLES. Dorian loses from the front sides and on multiple bodyparts. End of
now can someone who isn't biased try to explain why should a bber be allowed to win from the back one angle even with torn limbs.
There is NO debate , you'd have to know what you're talking about , the Truce thread was me correcting the ignorant people on how things work.
I never claimed to be the authority on bodybuilding judging but purely based on what you typed and what many have typed on here I and more knowledgeable than 99% of you
Dorian had small arms and a wide waist and ? you're cherry picking flaws and basing your opinion off of that , Nasser had NO back and shit conditioning , everyone has flaws it works both ways
I just explained to you it's not just a back contest , I explained what poses Nasser wins and what poses Dorian wins , and my point of view coincides with what the judges seen from all angles Dorian was better , you can cry politics all you like it's the default position of the ignorant , you can't have it both ways
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That's the case apparent ... Flex (the magazine) said he caught Coleman from the back in 2005 (oh brother ::) ) that set the stage for Coleman being dethroned in 2006 because from the front Coleman won ... But when he turned around his left lat was missing so justifiably he lost as should anyone with a torn visible muscle.... The let Dorian win the mr o with a torn 15 inch arm
that is what they crowned as the greatest phsique .... Bbing judging is a joke
This is a 15" arm? both of these pics are from 1997
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case in point
you are obsessed... how many paragraphs have you posted..
and continue to post even though i have said SPECIFICALLY I'm looking for a NUETRAL opinion...and answer to my question
i hope you love your wife or partner as much as you are as passionate about these dorian threads and defending dorian.
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Well as usual you mistakenly assumed he only won it ' from the back ' when in fact he didn't , Nasser clearly wins the standing relaxed from the front and the front double biceps pose , and maybe the ab-thigh Dorian wins the front latspread , now turn to the sides , Dorian wins the 1/4 turns and side triceps and side chest and then turn them around and Dorian obliterates him from the back it's no contest
I really don't care about 1997 , you can give it to Nasser , what did he accomplish? he beat a career worse Dorian , wow wee it's like Jay beating Ronnie in 06
the reason Nasser lost in 1997 was his mediocre conditioning and his massive liability of a back. The back is a huge and complex muscle group you think Dorian's torn bicep and tricep are more a liability than missing clear development , detail and density of an entire group? it looks like someone took an eraser to Nasser's back
There are two people , one who vastly understates his pathetic back and people who know how pathetic it is. break down the back and compare
traps - Dorian's are larger and thicker with more detail and density , Nasser's traps are pretty big but not Yates big or as dense and detailed
teres - same as above you look at the difference in just physical size , depth and separation between the two it's no contest , you can see on Dorian the clear separation from the infraspinatus and lats and they look like tissue paper covering raw muscle , on Nasser it's barely noticeable and looks washed over
infraspinatus - exact same as above the clear separation between it and the teres and the lats & traps , you can see it on Nasser like Yates , which shows you his back is not as dense , i.e. his back is carrying more subcutaneous fat and more water
lats - whoa guess who has another clear advantage here? Nasser may be , and that's being kind may be as ' wide ' as Dorian and that's it. the difference again is staggering , Dorian's are thicker , denser and more detailed his lower lats are feathered with striations in a manor which Nasser's NEVER were
erector spinae - Dorian again just outclasses Nasser in this area , there is NO discussion when it comes to any part of the back. Dorian's are thicker more detailed which is exactly why his x-mass tree is clearly defined and Nasser never had one
Dorian's back is thicker , denser , drier and more detailed as a whole there is NO comparison in backs and you think a torn tricep and bicep are worse than a back that's missing traps , teres , infranspinatus , lats and spinal erectors? a back that's missing comparable thickness and physical size in relation to his other parts?
You dislike Dorian at all costs because you like men with pretty physiques , you're ignorant on how contests are judged and are also incapable of looking past your own preferences and biases , so just because things don't match your slanted view on how things should have went doesn't mean the sport is the one with the problem.
you asshole how come you see dorian better in the 1/4 turns that year while one of them was showing his tottaly deformed arm?!! :-X
i shall add this to the list of your stupid opinions like nasser was not built to be a mass monster and fux had a small waste!! ::)
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Well as usual you mistakenly assumed he only won it ' from the back ' when in fact he didn't , Nasser clearly wins the standing relaxed from the front and the front double biceps pose , and maybe the ab-thigh Dorian wins the front latspread , now turn to the sides , Dorian wins the 1/4 turns and side triceps and side chest and then turn them around and Dorian obliterates him from the back it's no contest
I really don't care about 1997 , you can give it to Nasser , what did he accomplish? he beat a career worse Dorian , wow wee it's like Jay beating Ronnie in 06
the reason Nasser lost in 1997 was his mediocre conditioning and his massive liability of a back. The back is a huge and complex muscle group you think Dorian's torn bicep and tricep are more a liability than missing clear development , detail and density of an entire group? it looks like someone took an eraser to Nasser's back
There are two people , one who vastly understates his pathetic back and people who know how pathetic it is. break down the back and compare
traps - Dorian's are larger and thicker with more detail and density , Nasser's traps are pretty big but not Yates big or as dense and detailed
teres - same as above you look at the difference in just physical size , depth and separation between the two it's no contest , you can see on Dorian the clear separation from the infraspinatus and lats and they look like tissue paper covering raw muscle , on Nasser it's barely noticeable and looks washed over
infraspinatus - exact same as above the clear separation between it and the teres and the lats & traps , you can see it on Nasser like Yates , which shows you his back is not as dense , i.e. his back is carrying more subcutaneous fat and more water
lats - whoa guess who has another clear advantage here? Nasser may be , and that's being kind may be as ' wide ' as Dorian and that's it. the difference again is staggering , Dorian's are thicker , denser and more detailed his lower lats are feathered with striations in a manor which Nasser's NEVER were
erector spinae - Dorian again just outclasses Nasser in this area , there is NO discussion when it comes to any part of the back. Dorian's are thicker more detailed which is exactly why his x-mass tree is clearly defined and Nasser never had one
Dorian's back is thicker , denser , drier and more detailed as a whole there is NO comparison in backs and you think a torn tricep and bicep are worse than a back that's missing traps , teres , infranspinatus , lats and spinal erectors? a back that's missing comparable thickness and physical size in relation to his other parts?
You dislike Dorian at all costs because you like men with pretty physiques , you're ignorant on how contests are judged and are also incapable of looking past your own preferences and biases , so just because things don't match your slanted view on how things should have went doesn't mean the sport is the one with the problem.
and here after reading most of your boring post you are dealing with bb as separate parts!!..
kid, bb is a whole thing, you cant say better arms, better back, better ass.. etc.. you must look at any physique as one piece!!.. there were many symmetrical and proportional defects in dorian's package on that day!!..
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No disrespect nd but you were the LAST person I wanted to objectively answer my question... You are completely biased when it comes to Dorian.... I think you love Dorian more than he loves himself so.. While your answer is lengthy I'm still waiting on a neutral party to answer my question
huh.. is the pope christian!!..
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according to mr. "i love dorian's cock more than myself" ND dorian was better than nasser in the FLS pose in 1997 ::)
unless you too love dorian's cock you will never understand his point of view :-X
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i just think its funny when ShabalabaDingDong calls people "Kid"....overcompensation at its finest
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i just think its funny when ShabalabaDingDong calls people "Kid"....overcompensation at its finest
seriously gronk who do you think was better in the FLS pose in the above pic.??.. i trust you will put all the shit aside and say your real opinion..
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pics are meaningless...thats why I laugh at you guys constantly posting pics where "your guy"...looks better. In every video I have ever seen Dorian looks so much thicker and drier than everyone else onstage its ridiculous. Also when you see Nassers back on video you can tell how soft and shitty it was.....not slamming Nassers, i speak the truth. Vids tell a better story.
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according to mr. "i love dorian's cock more than myself" ND dorian was better than nasser in the FLS pose in 1997 ::)
unless you too love dorian's cock you will never understand his point of view :-X
Dorian here is making Nasser look soft and thin (front to back)
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no he isnt check that front flat spread
look at the pecs and quads
nasser blew dorian away from front and side you dorian fan boys... are blinded with love
im a fan of ronnie as everyone knows but i will clearly admit when he is off
not you dorian fan boys
dorian looks like a sack of shit
no waywas that the greatest overal phsique in pro bbing at that time
he had one arm for christs sake..
no wonder nasser shawn and kevin was so bitter at times.....
the judging was completley ludicrous
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pics are meaningless...thats why I laugh at you guys constantly posting pics where "your guy"...looks better. In every video I have ever seen Dorian looks so much thicker and drier than everyone else onstage its ridiculous. Also when you see Nassers back on video you can tell how soft and shitty it was.....not slamming Nassers, i speak the truth. Vids tell a better story.
so according to you nasser looks better in pics and dorian looks better in videos!!.. as always there is no sense in what you say :-\
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no he isnt check that front flat spread
look at the pecs and quads
nasser blew dorian away from front and side you dorian fan boys... are blinded with love
im a fan of ronnie as everyone knows but i will clearly admit when he is off
not you dorian fan boys
dorian looks like a sack of shit
no waywas that the greatest overal phsique in pro bbing at that time
he had one arm for christs sake..
no wonder nasser shawn and kevin was so bitter at times.....
the judging was completley ludicrous
I have personally stated several times I feel Nasser probably should have won the 97 O.
But frankly Dorian is harder and thicker than Nasser. Nasser looks better, yes, but he isnt as hard nor thick.
And we all the judges want Big, dense, and conditioned with a huge back. So thats why they went with Dorian. Agree or disagree, thats just the way it is.
Note - I dont agree with the judging in 97.
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Dorian here is making Nasser look soft and thin (front to back)
and what about dorian's small right arm and very small and deformed left arm??.. what about his relatively small chest and shoulders??.. what about his flat smooth injured quads??.. you dont see all these on dorian in this pose?!..
no balance,.. no symmetry,.. no proportion,.. no shape... only great back and calves!!.. sure i am not talking in general but about his shape on that certain day..
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and what about dorian's small right arm and very small and deformed left arm??.. what about his relatively small chest and shoulders??.. what about his flat smooth injured quads??.. you dont see all these on dorian in this pose?!..
no balance,.. no symmetry,.. no proportion,.. no shape... only great back and calves!!.. sure i am not talking in general but about his shape on that certain day..
Look. We all know Dorian looked like shit in 97. I dont know what youre after here.
IMHO the front lat spread is one of the only poses Dorian won in 97. Its like your out to try and prove how Nasser dominated every pose in 97. Thats simply not true. Nasser lost the Front lat, both back poses, and IMHO, the side tri. Everthing else I give to Nasser.
Yes, everyone knows Dorian looks like shit in 97. What are you trying to prove here?
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I have personally stated several times I feel Nasser probably should have won the 97 O.
But frankly Dorian is harder and thicker than Nasser. Nasser looks better, yes, but he isnt as hard nor thick.
And we all the judges want Big, dense, and conditioned with a huge back. So thats why they went with Dorian. Agree or disagree, thats just the way it is.
Note - I dont agree with the judging in 97.
condition means nothing if you dont have the shape, size, symmetry... etc.. or why didnt andreas munzer win any olympia or even any big show??..
on that day dorian didnt have any symmetry or proportion of course and for sure his over all shape was bad.. even his size was not distributed in a good way over his different parts!!.. very big back and calves and of course very big belly, average size chest, upper legs and shoulders.. small right arm,.. very small left arm and deformed too..
it was really bad for the sport and for ray, nasser, and the rest of the top finishers and above all it was bad for dorian himself!!..
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condition means nothing if you dont have the shape, size, symmetry... etc.. or why didnt andreas munzer win any olympia or even any big show??..
agree 100%
so that means if greg covacks is the most conditioned athlete of the day he should win
fucking bullshit
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looking bak at the o just gone more bullshit
no way should branch beat dex or phil
because of his structure
jay isnt the pretiest bber but he has round muscle bellys and his size carries him ...
but this new criteria of get as big as you can and conditioned no thought for symetry is bullshit
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i feel for dillet nasser shawn levrone...and others...
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Look. We all know Dorian looked like shit in 97. I dont know what youre after here.
IMHO the front lat spread is one of the only poses Dorian won in 97. Its like your out to try and prove how Nasser dominated every pose in 97. Thats simply not true. Nasser lost the Front lat, both back poses, and IMHO, the side tri. Everthing else I give to Nasser.
Yes, everyone knows Dorian looks like shit in 97. What are you trying to prove here?
you are contradicting yourself here bro.!!.. you started a thread clarifying why nasser didnt win then you are saying dorian looked like shit still you see dorian better in 4 pose but still you dont agree with the judges he should have won!! ::)... how to see dorian better in 4 poses and nasser in everything else (3 poses) but still dont agree with dorian's victory!!..
you are reminding me of ND who once said "my personal opinion is that nasser should have won but i still agree with the judges"!!.. you guys always contradict yourselves in a strange way!!..
also it's funny you started this thread ONLY to have some argument with team nasser then you are asking me now "what are you trying to prove"!!.. i am not trying to prove anything, i am just giving you what you wanted from this thread ARGUMENT!!..
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and here after reading most of your boring post you are dealing with bb as separate parts!!..
kid, bb is a whole thing, you cant say better arms, better back, better ass.. etc.. you must look at any physique as one piece!!.. there were many symmetrical and proportional defects in dorian's package on that day!!..
Another point way over your head , I was dealing with relative weaknesses and whose is more of a liability in the judges eyes
and it's me whose been preaching for eons all rounds are physique rounds and it's who meets ALL of the criteria better than the next guy wins
And did you also miss the part where I said Nasser wins some poses and Dorian others? here's a clue try reading my posts carefully before you post and you wont run the risk of looking like a moron or have the need to lie about what I typed
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according to mr. "i love dorian's cock more than myself" ND dorian was better than nasser in the FLS pose in 1997 ::)
unless you too love dorian's cock you will never understand his point of view :-X
You speak often about ' cock ' what's on your mind little man? :-X
unless you can remove your head from Nasser's ass you'd see why Yates had a better front latspread
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you are reminding me of ND who once said "my personal opinion is that nasser should have won but i still agree with the judges"!!.. you guys always contradict yourselves in a strange way!!..
There you go again making up lies , must be frustrating you can't work within the parameters of the truth
typing what you want in quotations and trying to pass it off as what I said , I said on many occasions , Dorian shouldn't have won but Nasser didn't beat him , in some pictures Dorian looks horrible and in others he looks like the clear winner
so keep making things up and I will keep making you look like a moron ;)
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you are contradicting yourself here bro.!!.. you started a thread clarifying why nasser didnt win then you are saying dorian looked like shit still you see dorian better in 4 pose but still you dont agree with the judges he should have won!! ::)... how to see dorian better in 4 poses and nasser in everything else (3 poses) but still dont agree with dorian's victory!!..
you are reminding me of ND who once said "my personal opinion is that nasser should have won but i still agree with the judges"!!.. you guys always contradict yourselves in a strange way!!..
also it's funny you started this thread ONLY to have some argument with team nasser then you are asking me now "what are you trying to prove"!!.. i am not trying to prove anything, i am just giving you what you wanted from this thread ARGUMENT!!..
No, its the fact that you have tunnel vision.
I might not agree with Dorians win, but I understand why they awarded him the O.
Obviously you cannot fathom that someone may have their own opinion, but understand why theyre opinion is incorrect. ::)
Look, ill spell it out for you.
The judges want the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back.
Just cause I think that Nasser looked better and I would have awarded Nasser the O doesnt mean the judges share my opinion. Obviously they didnt. So you can go on and on with why your opinion is correct and this and that, but quite frankly the guys who judge contests dont agree with you, so your opinion is moot.
Judges = want the biggest, most conditioned guy with a huge back.
Nasser = No back.
Nasser = lose.
This is why I say I may not agree with the judges, but I understand why they gave him the win. I know youre too dense to understand that, but please try and wrap your head around the idea that a person can have an opinion that contradicts someone elses opinion. ::)
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Look, ill spell it out for you.
The judges want the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back.
Just cause I think that Nasser looked better and I would have awarded Nasser the O doesnt mean the judges share my opinion. Obviously they didnt. So you can go on and on with why your opinion is correct and this and that, but quite frankly the guys who judge contests dont agree with you, so your opinion is moot.
I don't think its as simple as the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back. It may appear to be this way, but symmetry, proportion, posing, etc. are part of the judging criteria too.
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I don't think its as simple as the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back. It may appear to be this way, but symmetry, proportion, posing, etc. are part of the judging criteria too.
Of course theyre is,... but i was intentionally being very basic, for teh specific reason that Nasser had no back,... so all the other shit just went out the window.
And if you really look at the judging, really, you guys want to complicate it, but the biggest best conditioned man with decent symmetry always seems to win.
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I've seen different pictures from the 97 Olympia, Dorian is clearly beating everyone on some (mostly the back shots) and Nasser has Dorian beat on others. Shawn and Levrone looked great too, but they were not good enough at this particular year to win the Olympia or beat Dorian and Nasser.
Now between Dorian and Nasser, I don't know for sure. Both have advantages and flaws compared to each other.
I think this video can give a better idea of that show (the quality isn't very good though):
I can see Dorian winning due to his conditioning, but its close.
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Of course theyre is,... but i was intentionally being very basic, for teh specific reason that Nasser had no back,... so all the other shit just went out the window.
And if you really look at the judging, really, you guys want to complicate it, but the biggest best conditioned man with decent symmetry always seems to win.
I agree, Dorian had conditioning and back development over Nasser, but it was close.
I agree on the judging part, it appears to be the way you're saying.
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Dorian's gut at 2:45 is disgusting :(
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pics are meaningless...thats why I laugh at you guys constantly posting pics where "your guy"...looks better. In every video I have ever seen Dorian looks so much thicker and drier than everyone else onstage its ridiculous. Also when you see Nassers back on video you can tell how soft and shitty it was.....not slamming Nassers, i speak the truth. Vids tell a better story.
Yes, the main one being Dorian being thicker and drier in the Videos (when comparing those in question @ THE TIME they were competing against one another) As ND has said you could give Nasser the 1997 O, however after comparing the 2 @ the Same show in 1997 on VHS NOT PICTURES, No personally id give it to Dorian due to being STILL being better conditioned overall better than the others Nasser included key word CONDITIONED, i would think a better case for the Nasser may be made vs Yates @ the 1996 show due to Nasser's very good conditioning over his 1997 vintage...however you can not gain a result if you have been Disqualified for taking Diuretics going from 3rd to last AFTER THE FACT, so 1997 re: Nasser is being used as the Yard stick in Pictures time and time again.
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No, its the fact that you have tunnel vision.
I might not agree with Dorians win, but I understand why they awarded him the O.
Obviously you cannot fathom that someone may have their own opinion, but understand why theyre opinion is incorrect. ::)
Look, ill spell it out for you.
The judges want the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back.
Just cause I think that Nasser looked better and I would have awarded Nasser the O doesnt mean the judges share my opinion. Obviously they didnt. So you can go on and on with why your opinion is correct and this and that, but quite frankly the guys who judge contests dont agree with you, so your opinion is moot.
Judges = want the biggest, most conditioned guy with a huge back.
Nasser = No back.
Nasser = lose.
This is why I say I may not agree with the judges, but I understand why they gave him the win. I know youre too dense to understand that, but please try and wrap your head around the idea that a person can have an opinion that contradicts someone elses opinion. ::)
lol at "the judges want some one with a big back"!!.. what a rule ::)
believe it or not but the olympia is not won by anyone even if he deserves to win!!.. after lee haney retired they wanted to create another legend, a dominant unbeatable champ and sure dorian was the man to go with.. they didnt want to take anything from dorian's legend so gave him the title again one more time in his last year although he didnt deserve it AT ALL..
then by the next year (1998) they decided not to give the title to ray, nasser, or, levrone or wheeler simply because all these guys had been beaten before by the now retired dorian (either deservedly or not) and ppl would have said about any of them "he won only because dorian was not there".. sure ronnie too had been defeated by dorian and all the others many times but he was never a top finisher at the olympia, he was always the guy who was coming after the top guys.. then after his great improvements they saw him as the new legend,.. the new hero,.. the 2nd level guy who was able to beat all the top guys to be the king!!.. i am not saying ronnie didnt deserved to win in 1998 but sure after being the dominant champ they kept giving him the title when he deserved and when he did not like they had done with dorian.. he lost to jay in 2006 only because jay was chosen to be the man after ronnie and ronnie was 40+!!.. they made jay the new legend who defeated the great ron to dominate the others after him!!..
in 2008 jay lost to dex. (who deserved to win but was not a dominant champ suitable to be a legend) only because the fans were still angry he had looked like shit but still had beaten martinz the previous year.. he had to look very good in 2008 to win but he looked bad again!!.. dex in 2008 was the same as in 2007 so how come to be beaten by a very bad jay in 2007 then to beat a bad (without very) jay in 2008!!..
i agree it's not good for the olympia as a unique contest to be won by a diff. guy every year or every couple of years,.. like this it will be like any other contest.. i agree it's more interesting to be won many times by a dominant champ, this gives it more importance.. i agree with this as something interesting but not as the right thing to be done because on the other hand this is very bad for the pros. and for the credibility of the sportm,.. especially on the long run!!..
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Lee and dillet the look at Dorians toothpick arms in the video... :-\
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With regard to the 97 O and any other Mr. O, I assume the person with the most complete package wins. If this is the case, Shawn Ray or Levrone should have won the 97 O. Heck, I think Levrone looked the best. I couldn't pick out any outstanding flaws like you can with Dorian (arms, stomach) and Nasser (back). But I definitely do see how Nasser could have beaten Dorian.
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and here is the pre-judging (bad quality but still clear enough to judge)!!..
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/video/video.php?v=55894647095
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hey ND you dorian's cock sucker,.. every time i list your stupid opinions like fux had a small waste and nasser was not built to be a mass monster you always ask me to show you where you said this.. ok check this whole thread below (only 2 pages) where you mentioned that it was not good for nasser to add more size and when i asked you a logical question "but he started to be a top pro. only when he added size" you turned to contradict yourself in a typical ND stupid way like saying "being lucky in certain shows dont mean it was good for him balala bla bla".. :-X :-X :-X :-\ :-\ :-\
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=312184.msg4457369#msg4457369
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hey ND you dorian's cock sucker,.. every time i list your stupid opinions like fux had a small waste and nasser was not built to be a mass monster you always ask me to show you where you said this.. ok check this whole thread below (only 2 pages) where you mentioned that it was not good for nasser to add more size and when i asked you a logical question "but he started to be a top pro. only when he added size" you turned to contradict yourself in a typical ND stupid way like saying "being lucky in certain shows dont mean it was good for him balala bla bla".. :-X :-X :-X :-\ :-\ :-\
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=312184.msg4457369#msg4457369
Thanks for posting the link where you prove you're a liar dumbass
no where did I ever claim Nasser was not built to be a mass-monster
keep making up lies you little troll when you're reduced to things like this it shows how desperate you are , you're in good company with Hulkster another troll who is reduced to making things up
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With regard to the 97 O and any other Mr. O, I assume the person with the most complete package wins. If this is the case, Shawn Ray or Levrone should have won the 97 O. Heck, I think Levrone looked the best. I couldn't pick out any outstanding flaws like you can with Dorian (arms, stomach) and Nasser (back). But I definitely do see how Nasser could have beaten Dorian.
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If Nasser wasn't good enogh to beat the career worst Dorian,sure there were other great champions with complete physiques.Shawn Ray and Kevin Levrone should have been 1st and 2nd,then Nasser in 3rd.Dorian didn't even belonged to the top 3 in 97.
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Lee and dillet the look at Dorians toothpick arms in the video... :-\
yeah, its too bad he had to stand in between two of the greatest pairs of arms ever in that double bi, and his are some of the worst ever (by that point in his career)
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If Nasser wasn't good enogh to beat the career worst Dorian,sure there were other great champions with complete physiques.Shawn Ray and Kevin Levrone should have been 1st and 2nd,then Nasser in 3rd.Dorian didn't even belonged to the top 3 in 97.
I agree shawn looked amazing in 97.
dorian looked great from the back, awful from the front.
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here's a fun fact about nasser in 97, it was nowhere near his best condition, and he still should have won it(http://www.ambal.ru/02865589193.jpg)
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here's a fun fact about nasser in 97, it was nowhere near his best condition, and he still should have won it(http://www.ambal.ru/02865589193.jpg)
He had the physique and conditioning to win at least 3 Olympias. The x3 uncrowned is conservative. It's little wonder that so many people on the forums are outraged by the amount of times he was robbed unfairly. It's a testament to the man's personality that he manages to remain so sanguine in the face of such corruption.
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NO back and lackluster conditioning.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=14160&id=40560&Itemid=266)
Nasser lost in 97' because he lacked muscular thickness in his latissimus and also pectoralis muscles compared to Dorian, which resulted in him losing the two back and side mandatories to Dorian. He won the two front mandatories that don't involve the lats and that was it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian's left upperarm has the size of Nasser's forearms in that RLS shot.
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Dorian's left upperarm has the size of Nasser's forearms in that RLS shot.
at most!!..
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It's amazing how the pumpkinheads point to Nassers back as if it was horrible. Yes Dorian had a slight edge on Nasser in the back, but from the front the pharaoh of muscle was in a class by himself. A rare combination of jaw dropping size and breathtaking aesthetics (not to mention movie star good looks), Nasser should have won that Olympia (and two others, at least!)
I find it laughable that people clown Nasser's back. I wish I had that "crappy" of a back any day of the week. Still like the wise ones have mentioned in the thread, what about judging from the front? I bet if you showed 100 people the photos from that show, at least 90% would pick the wizard as the champion. The Pharaoh had bigger arms, better legs, and a much superior midsection. He was clearly the champ that year.
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Dorian beats Nasser in the RDB- one pose only.
Nasser beats dorian in the RLS AND EVERY OTHER MANDOTROY POSE.
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Dorian beats Nasser in the RDB- one pose only.
Nasser beats dorian in the RLS AND EVERY OTHER MANDOTROY POSE.
Kevin Horton
GetBig 4/18/08
The show is not won on a single pose, or part of one. If you judge that shot purely as a biceps shot then Nasser wins. Add the rest of the physique into the argument and it's very close. Dorian has better lars, abs, probably thighs and certainly calves. But for your argument we'll say Nasser wins.
Now they went into the front lat spread. Dorian a clear winner.
Side chest. Dorian wins again.
Side triceps. Clear winner. The only person who has ever come close to Dorian in that shot is Alexander Federov but he wasn't competing :-)
Back double biceps. Dorian wins.
Rear lat spread. Dorian wins
Abbs and thigh. Dorian wins.
he corrected you on this a LONG time ago and FYI he was there ;)
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Kevin Horton
GetBig 4/18/08
The show is not won on a single pose, or part of one. If you judge that shot purely as a biceps shot then Nasser wins. Add the rest of the physique into the argument and it's very close. Dorian has better lars, abs, probably thighs and certainly calves. But for your argument we'll say Nasser wins.
Now they went into the front lat spread. Dorian a clear winner.
Side chest. Dorian wins again.
Side triceps. Clear winner. The only person who has ever come close to Dorian in that shot is Alexander Federov but he wasn't competing :-)
Back double biceps. Dorian wins.
Rear lat spread. Dorian wins
Abbs and thigh. Dorian wins.
he corrected you on this a LONG time ago and FYI he was there ;)
to say that dorian had better abs and probably thighs than nasser on that day or ever is just funny.. really funny and you ND are the biggest cock sucker of dorian on the planet but i am sure even you dont agree with this opinion which you are ironically posting as a prove!!..
horton was/is a good photographer but this doesnt mean he is automatically a good physiques judge,.. actually if he really said this he doesnt know a shit about judging a physique!!..
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who is Kevin Horton?
dorian's friend and the guy who made dorian's video ::)
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Well, really, it doesnt matter because no matter how any of us feel, Dorian won, Nasser, lost. :-\
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The ONLY reason Nasser lost the 97 Olympia.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=14160&id=40566&Itemid=266)
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The ONLY reason Nasser lost the 97 Olympia.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=14160&id=40566&Itemid=266)
What, the lat spread, the Weiders, or both ? ;D
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to say that dorian had better abs and probably thighs than nasser on that day or ever is just funny.. really funny and you ND are the biggest cock sucker of dorian on the planet but i am sure even you dont agree with this opinion which you are ironically posting as a prove!!..
horton was/is a good photographer but this doesnt mean he is automatically a good physiques judge,.. actually if he really said this he doesnt know a shit about judging a physique!!..
You're an angry little man ;D it's funny how you get so bitter when someone has an opinion that doesn't match your own.
And Horton's opinion on the subject sure as fuck carries more weight than an ignorant troll like yourself , at the bare minimum he was at the contest and you never were and he knows what he's talking about and it's a proven fact YOU don't ;)
And lets entertain he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to judging , the judges do and they deemed Dorian the better bodybuilder and they know what they are doing , but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they're wrong to because it doesn't fit your point of view , see a pattern here? everyone is wrong but you are right ::)
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who is Kevin Horton?
dorian's friend and the guy who made dorian's video ::)
Oh yeah the Great White conspiracy theory ::) it was a giant ploy to make sure the white man won and Arab didn't hahahahahahhaha it must suck to make such excuses for Nasser's flaws but you guys are good at , keep up the good work
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The judges also gave the title in 2007 to Cutler and sure he had his biased friends and fans in the audience,but was he the best on that day?It's always easier for the judges to give the title to the reighning champ,it's been proven many times.
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who was dorian's baby's father in the last pic.??.. :-X
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who was dorian's baby's father in the last pic.??.. :-X
Whose is Nassers? ;)
works both ways kid.
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I see that morphed Nasser pic is still in circulation.
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I see that morphed Nasser pic is still in circulation.
the front double bi with Yates? that's the real one
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the front double bi with Yates? that's the real one
My bad. I thought that was the one much ado was made of 2+ years ago. There were tears, and much rending of clothes. ???
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I see that morphed Nasser pic is still in circulation.
Greatest compliment you could have given Nasser right there - thanks
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Nasser lost in 1997 because he lacked thickness in his latissimus and pectoralis muscles, which resulted in him losing the two back and two side mandatories. He won the two front mandatories that don't involve the lats and that was it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nasser lost in 1997 because he lacked thickness in his latissimus and pectoralis muscles, which resulted in him losing the two back and two side mandatories. He won the two front mandatories that don't involve the lats and that was it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Didn't you say before that Nasser had a legit case to win the 96 Grand Prix show against Yates?
BTW where do you get that Nasser's pecs weren't as thick?
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Greatest compliment you could have given Nasser right there - thanks
Not really because Sharma was busted using morphed pics
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Didn't you say before that Nasser had a legit case to win the 96 Grand Prix show against Yates?
Judging from a single picture I saw, yes. Obviously, there was much more to be seen.
BTW where do you get that Nasser's pecs weren't as thick?
Nasser never dipped or benched with a free barbell as hard and heavy as Dorian, so his pecs were never as thick. Dorian's superior thickness in the pecs and lats resulted in much greater thickness in the side mandatories. Dorian took all mandatories over Nasser, but I personally think that Dorian only won 5 out of seven mandatories. Nasser won the front double biceps and the abs-and-thighs due to his superior quads and smaller waist.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Not really because Sharma was busted using morphed pics
Yes but he thought the above picture was photoshopped which it wasn't. There's been at least one photoshopped Dorian pic floating around (black and white rear lat spread I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) but I don't call any Dorian RLS pic "photoshopped" and if I did it would be a huge compliment to think one of his normal shots is shopped.
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Yes but he thought the above picture was photoshopped which it wasn't. There's been at least one photoshopped Dorian pic floating around (black and white rear lat spread I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) but I don't call any Dorian RLS pic "photoshopped" and if I did it would be a huge compliment to think one of his normal shots is shopped.
Not really it was subtle until it was opened than it was more obvious and what's the Yates pic have to do with anything? and I was the one that proved it was fake by posting the real one
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Yes but he thought the above picture was photoshopped which it wasn't. There's been at least one photoshopped Dorian pic floating around (black and white rear lat spread I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) but I don't call any Dorian RLS pic "photoshopped" and if I did it would be a huge compliment to think one of his normal shots is shopped.
Bobs you have been away from the scene for too long now....it is time to go and post many things in many other threads, even those that you have no interest in.
Time to catch up.
;)
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wasnt nasser dq'd from the 97 olympia? Either Way, Shawn or Nasser should have won.
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wasnt nasser dq'd from the 97 olympia? Either Way, Shawn or Nasser should have won.
that was 96
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well in that case, then nasser was def deserving of at least 2nd behind shawn, not dorian
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where are Yates' upper chest arms and delts in the Side chest pose?
Nasser killing dorian there
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Judging from a single picture I saw, yes. Obviously, there was much more to be seen.
Nasser never dipped or benched with a free barbell as hard and heavy as Dorian, so his pecs were never as thick. Dorian's superior thickness in the pecs and lats resulted in much greater thickness in the side mandatories. Dorian took all mandatories over Nasser, but I personally think that Dorian only won 5 out of seven mandatories. Nasser won the front double biceps and the abs-and-thighs due to his superior quads and smaller waist.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
dorian was not that strong!!.. in blood and guts his heaviest set in the incline bench was 180 kg or may be 200 kg (i cant remember) but he partner was supporting him from rep no. 1!!..
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dorian was not that strong!!.. in blood and guts his heaviest set in the incline bench was 180 kg or may be 200 kg (i cant remember) but he partner was supporting him from rep no. 1!!..
No, Dorian did decline bench presses with 5 plates a side. You are much stronger in the flat and incline bench than you are in the decline. Then you must take into consideration that Dorian used a full rage of motion in a completely controlled fashion which is beyond fantastical! Nasser did mostly Smith machine presses and he never used a full range of motion and never went to failure. Nasser went as heavy as Dorian, but Dorian was much stronger due to the style of training he did and full range of motion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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what what what??!!!.. who on earth is stronger in incline that on decline?!!.. of course in decline bench press you can lift heavier!!..
seriously have you ever trained??..
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what what what??!!!.. who on earth is stronger in incline that on decline?!!.. of course in decline bench press you can lift heavier!!..
seriously have you ever trained??..
haha, so true. declines are much easier than inclines. suckmymuscles statement reminds me of the 40 year old virgin where steve carrell described boobs as being sand bags. He had no idea about what he was talking about.
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No, Dorian did decline bench presses with 5 plates a side. You are much stronger in the flat and incline bench than you are in the decline. Then you must take into consideration that Dorian used a full rage of motion in a completely controlled fashion which is beyond fantastical! Nasser did mostly Smith machine presses and he never used a full range of motion and never went to failure. Nasser went as heavy as Dorian, but Dorian was much stronger due to the style of training he did and full range of motion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
i am just quoting his post before he changes it ;D ;D ;D
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i am just quoting his post before he changes it ;D ;D ;D
There is nothing wrong with my post. Declines are much tougher than inclines because you rely on your back deltoid head to push the weight whilst in the incline you realy on the stronger middle and front deltoid heads.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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There is nothing wrong with my post. Declines are much tougher than inclines because you rely on your back deltoid head to push the weight whilst in the incline you realy on the stronger middle and front deltoid heads.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
so why when i do decline i use the same weights i use with the flat if not more while of course cant do the same on the incline ::).. am i one of my kind??!..
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You are much stronger in the flat and incline bench than you are in the decline.
That’s silly.. I’m stronger on decline.
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There is nothing wrong with my post. Declines are much tougher than inclines because you rely on your back deltoid head to push the weight whilst in the incline you realy on the stronger middle and front deltoid heads.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Have you tried doing decline and incline bench press? I have yet to meet anyone who can incline more weight than they can decline.
Decline naturally has less range of motion because the bar hits your chest which is elevated while your torso is a decline position - opposite of the incline. Less range of motion = easier to move heavier weights.
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Have you tried doing decline and incline bench press?
*SUCKMYMUSCLE* is probably a complete twink.
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*SUCKMYMUSCLE* is probably a complete twink.
Ok, NOOB. I will cry a riber due to this comment.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ok, NOOB. I will cry a riber due to this comment.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
All the way twink :-*
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There is nothing wrong with my post. Declines are much tougher than inclines because you rely on your back deltoid head to push the weight whilst in the incline you realy on the stronger middle and front deltoid heads.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Declines are the easiest of all benches, less ROM, tricep use is significantly reduced from bench and especially from inclines, you are way off. Maybe youre a freak of nature, or maybe youve just never done inclines or declines. Cause to anyone that has seriously trained, what you are saying is ridiculous.
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anyone that has seriously trained
He’s never done that, pretty obvious.
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Declines are the easiest of all benches
I disagree. Obviously the easiest of all is the 30 degree incline bench, then the flat bench, then the 45 degree incline bench snd the hardest is the decline bench due to it relying so much on the weak anterior deltoid head.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I disagree. Obviously the easiest of all is the 30 degree incline bench, then the flat bench, then the 45 degree incline bench snd the hardest is the decline bench due to it relying so much on the weak anterior deltoid head.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
the anterior deltoid head is barely involved, and if declines really worked the anterior deltoid head, then more bodybuilders would rely on declines because rear delts are usually the weakest part of bodybuilders along with the upper chest and calves.