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Half of young people do not recognise Winston Churchill... and he will be 'forgotten' in 80 years
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By 2090 future generations will no longer recognise Winston Churchill, research revealed today.
It seems hard to believe amid the current political storm, but research commissioned by the Royal Mint found that, in 80 years' time, people will not recognise the former Prime Minister.
As part of the survey, carried out to mark this week's 70th anniversary of Churchill taking over as prime minister, more than 1,136 people were asked to identify three prominent 20th century PMs including Churchill, Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair.
The Royal Mint survey asked more than 1,136 people to identify prominent 20th century Prime Ministers, including Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair
One in five (19 per cent) adults failed to name Churchill, with the figure rising to 32 per cent of 25 to 34-year-olds and 44 per cent of those aged 16 to 24.
Following the pattern, researchers projected the rough date when the leaders would no longer be recognised, with Churchill's demise predicted in 80 years' time.
They said the vast majority of those questioned could identify both Mr Blair (97 per cent) and Baroness Thatcher (98 per cent).
But recognition dropped significantly in the 16 to 24-year-old range - 16 per cent failed to identify Baroness Thatcher and more than a quarter (27 per cent) were unable to recognise Mr Blair.
If this downward trend were to continue, Gordon Brown's predecessor would be 'extinct' in the public consciousness by 2075, followed by the Iron Lady in 2115, they said.
The survey, which involved people naming black and white headshot photos of the prime ministers, saw Churchill mistaken for Stephen Fry, Robert Hardy, Michael Gambon, Charlie Chaplin, Oliver Hardy, John Betjeman and Roy Hattersley, the Royal Mint said.
And one person even incorrectly identified Tony Blair as David Cameron.
The research could help the country's new leader make sure he cements his place in the history books rather than being forgotten.
Professor George Jones, Emeritus Professor of British Government at the London School of Economics, said: 'There's a complex combination of factors at play when it comes to maintaining prime ministerial longevity and being remembered as a great British leader.
'For long-lasting impact and to cement your position in the public consciousness, certain character and personality traits such as potency and decisiveness must be apparent and proven crisis-handling demonstrated.
'If the new Prime Minister wants to secure his place in history, he must bear these things in mind.'
Data was collected according to five age groups - 16 to 24, 25 to 34, 35 to 44, 45 to 54, and 55+ - then researchers worked out what the percentage recognition was of each age group when they were 16-24.
The results were plotted on a graph going back to 1970, when the oldest age group was 16-24, and a 'line of best fit' was calculated to the point where recognition was at 0 per cent - the year of 'extinction'.
Kevin Clancy, head of Historical Services at the Royal Mint, added: 'It's shocking that one of our greatest statesmen runs the risk of potentially being forgotten.
'Churchill remains an historical colossus and is arguably one of the nation's greatest Britons.
'It's fundamentally important that we commemorate our heritage for future generations to celebrate, and to mark the 70 years that have passed since he was Prime Minister we're immensely proud to have designed a new £5 coin featuring an iconic Churchillian image, to help his memory live on.'
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Here I thought it was only our youth who were so ignorant as to history.
This is really unbelievable. Churchill is responaible for saving UK in its darkest hour.
WTF!
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We went from men like Churchill, Patton, Pershing, FDR, McArthur, Ike, to clowns like Bush, Obama, Brown, - Dear God help us we are so screwed.
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This man was truly brilliant.
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Churchill opposed Mohandas Gandhi's peaceful disobedience revolt and the Indian Independence movement in the 1930s, arguing that the Round Table Conference "was a frightful prospect".[1] Later reports indicate that Churchill favored letting Gandhi die if he went on hunger strike [2] During the first half of the 1930s, Churchill was outspoken in his opposition to granting Dominion status to India. He was a founder of the India Defense League, a group dedicated to the preservation of British power in India.
1. 247 House of Commons Debates 5s col 755
2. "Churchill took hardline on Gandhi". BBC News. 1 January 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4573152.stm. Retrieved 12 April 2010.
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And your point is?
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Churchill opposed Mohandas Gandhi's peaceful disobedience revolt and the Indian Independence movement in the 1930s, arguing that the Round Table Conference "was a frightful prospect".[1] Later reports indicate that Churchill favored letting Gandhi die if he went on hunger strike [2] During the first half of the 1930s, Churchill was outspoken in his opposition to granting Dominion status to India. He was a founder of the India Defense League, a group dedicated to the preservation of British power in India.
1. 247 House of Commons Debates 5s col 755
2. "Churchill took hardline on Gandhi". BBC News. 1 January 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4573152.stm. Retrieved 12 April 2010.
So he did precisely what he should have been doing: trying to maintain British influence in India. Can't fault him for that.
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So he did precisely what he should have been doing: trying to maintain British influence in India. Can't fault him for that.
So it's okay for the US to gain independence from Britain, but it's not okay for India to gain independence from Britain? ::)
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What do the two have to do with one another?
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Because the UK is flooded by immigrant scum...
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What do the two have to do with one another?
I used to be a fan of Churchill, until I learned that he opposed India's independence from Britain's rule, tyranny and oppression, and when I learned that Churchill hated Gandhi and wanted him dead.
I'm still a fan of Gandhi.
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You have to look at things through the lens of the time, not how we view things today.
Also, if someone wants to go on a hunger strike, for whatever reason, screw em and let em die. I dont care who it is.
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You have to look at things through the lens of the time, not how we view things today.
Also, if someone wants to go on a hunger strike, for whatever reason, screw em and let em die. I dont care who it is.
What does that mean? The US fought for independence from Britain's rule, tyranny and oppression too, much like India did, except India did it through Gandhi's peaceful disobedience revolt. Do you say to George Washington and his soldiers: If somebody wants to go up against Britain "screw em and let em die"?
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The guy did his job for England, especially in the face of Nazi agression, who gives a flying fuck about India. First off thats not 3's point at all. This guy is one of THE major figures in 20th century history and a huge figure in all of English history and Brits don't know who he is? Our kids are no better. How many kids know who Patton is, or Macarthur or where we fought in the Pacific...can name all the beaches on D Day..or even know what the hell D day was. This shit matters...it all matters. Kids have to have pride in this country. They have to know that there is American exceptionalism..because the Chinese, they sure as fuck think they're better..and the Indians, they're not teaching their kids home economics.....no more trophies for everybody...not everybody is a winner..be the fucking winner.
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A hunger strike is stupid and I dont agree with Ghandi's approach.
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The guy did his job for England, especially in the face of Nazi agression, who gives a flying fuck about India. First off thats not 3's point at all. This guy is one of THE major figures in 20th century history and a huge figure in all of English history and Brits don't know who he is? Our kids are no better. How many kids know who Patton is, or Macarthur or where we fought in the Pacific...can name all the beaches on D Day..or even know what the hell D day was. This shit matters...it all matters. Kids have to have pride in this country. They have to know that there is American exceptionalism..because the Chinese, they sure as fuck think they're better..and the Indians, they're not teaching their kids home economics.....no more trophies for everybody...not everybody is a winner..be the fucking winner.
Juno, Gold, Omaha!
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A hunger strike is stupid and I dont agree with Ghandi's approach.
I do, it worked, and it inspired MLK's peaceful protests, Chile's peaceful overthrow of a dictatorship, and has inspired many others.
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Sometimes, sometimes not.
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The guy did his job for England, especially in the face of Nazi agression, who gives a flying fuck about India. First off thats not 3's point at all. This guy is one of THE major figures in 20th century history and a huge figure in all of English history and Brits don't know who he is? Our kids are no better. How many kids know who Patton is, or Macarthur or where we fought in the Pacific...can name all the beaches on D Day..or even know what the hell D day was. This shit matters...it all matters. Kids have to have pride in this country. They have to know that there is American exceptionalism..because the Chinese, they sure as fuck think they're better..and the Indians, they're not teaching their kids home economics.....no more trophies for everybody...not everybody is a winner..be the fucking winner.
I give a flying fuck about India. But I agree that everybody should be educated on all of world history.
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hunger strikes are catabolic
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Sword, Gold, Juno, Omaha, Utah....thats off the top of my head. The point is this shit matters...
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Sword, Gold, Juno, Omaha, Utah....thats off the top of my head. The point is this shit matters...
Bro - I have read so many WW2 books its not funny.
You should read a book called "The Fighting Pattons" - its amazing the lineage Patton came from. Pattons' early life was even more interesting to me than his exploits in WW2.
He handled Pancho Villas' men old school style and tied two of them to his car and delivered them to Pershing in person.
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Churchill opposed Mohandas Gandhi's peaceful disobedience revolt and the Indian Independence movement in the 1930s, arguing that the Round Table Conference "was a frightful prospect".[1] Later reports indicate that Churchill favored letting Gandhi die if he went on hunger strike [2] During the first half of the 1930s, Churchill was outspoken in his opposition to granting Dominion status to India. He was a founder of the India Defense League, a group dedicated to the preservation of British power in India.
1. 247 House of Commons Debates 5s col 755
2. "Churchill took hardline on Gandhi". BBC News. 1 January 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4573152.stm. Retrieved 12 April 2010.
GREAT information Loco... People I would bet also do not know that Winston Churchill is the son of Lord Randolf Spencer Churchill better known as JACK THE RIPPER.... YES...JACK THE FUCKING RIPPER. Winston Churchill was also heavy into the occult just like his father and was a freemason. Also in the Spencer-Churchill line is another very famous person named Diana Spencer who we all know as Princess Diana
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My favortie historical figure of all time. The original GSP.
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Hey SAMSON go die in a fire..u derail every fucking thread with ur bulllshit. Loco has a valid point, I don't agree but he has his point and opinion, none of it based in CT fantasy land...where u dwell in stupidity.
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Hey SAMSON go die in a fire..u derail every fucking thread with ur bulllshit. Loco has a valid point, I don't agree but he has his point and opinion, none of it based in CT fantasy land...where u dwell in stupidity.
How am I derailing the thread asshole? The topic is people not knowing or recognizing Winston Churchill. I added to this fact that people don't know the lineage of Churchiill as well with some rather shocking information on Churchill's background. I said to Loco that this was good information he posted, so why the response from you in that ignorant regard. Oh I forgot YOU'RE JUST A DUMB PIECE OF MEAT.
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Samson said Churchill is descended from Jack the Ripper. Must be true, guys! Given this gimmick's history of telling the truth 0% of the time, you guys should really believe him this time!
Not that it would even matter if he were descended from him. :)
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GREAT information Loco... People I would bet also do not know that Winston Churchill is the son of Lord Randolf Spencer Churchill better known as JACK THE RIPPER.... YES...JACK THE FUCKING RIPPER. Winston Churchill was also heavy into the occult just like his father and was a freemason. Also in the Spencer-Churchill line is another very famous person named Diana Spencer who we all know as Princess Diana
Oh boy! ::)
No Conspiracy Theories, please!
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Are the schools in the UK allowed to teach about Winston Churchill?
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Are the schools in the UK allowed to teach about Winston Churchill?
Probably not. They're too busy forcing girls into Muslim garb so that they can tour mosques and preach tolerance. ::)
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We went from men like Churchill, Patton, Pershing, FDR, McArthur, Ike, to clowns like Bush, Obama, Brown, - Dear God help us we are so screwed.
Post of the week...
This is my favorite WWII picture. (This copy isn't very big or clear) I'm going to buy a framed copy someday and hang it on my wall...
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So he did precisely what he should have been doing: trying to maintain British influence in India. Can't fault him for that.
Exactly
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So it's okay for the US to gain independence from Britain, but it's not okay for India to gain independence from Britain? ::)
His job was to look out for British interests only.
Something our politicians need to learn.
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His job was to look out for British interests only.
Something our politicians need to learn.
And you feel the same way about British rule, tyranny and oppression of the US before the American revolution?
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haha i find it funny all the folks agreeing with Churchill's stance on India yet all for American Independence. I guess John Adams, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson etc were all as bad as Ghandi and the king of England had every right to 'look after his interests' especially taxation without representation right? ::)
Churchill was a great man and it's sad he's not being given the proper respect from the youth of England. But he wasn't a saint and to not acknowledge ones faults is to make them not human and therefore not real.
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Post of the week...
This is my favorite WWII picture. (This copy isn't very big or clear) I'm going to buy a framed copy someday and hang it on my wall...
Patton was the man. He competed in the Olympics in the Pentahlon and got 5th only because they could not figure out where the 4th shot in the pistol comp went. Many felt he put two bullets in the same hole and that is why he got the lower placing. Otherwise, he would have medaled.
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This is how to deal with criminal illegal aliens.
From wiki:
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Punitive Expedition into Mexico
Generals Obregón, Villa, and Pershing after meeting at Fort Bliss, Texas. Patton is immediately behind Pershing.During the Punitive Expedition of 1916, Patton was assigned to the 8th Cavalry Regiment[7] at Fort Bliss, Texas. He served as aide to then-Brigadier General John J. Pershing in his pursuit of Pancho Villa, after Villa's forces had crossed into New Mexico, raided and looted the town of Columbus, and killed several Americans. Patton, accompanied by ten soldiers of the 6th Infantry Regiment, and using three armored cars, conducted the United States' first armored vehicle attack, and in the process killed two Mexican leaders, including "General" Julio Cardenas, commander of Villa's personal bodyguard. The bodies were brought back from San Miguelito to Pershing's headquarters strapped to the hoods of the vehicles in a manner similar to game animals brought back by hunters. For this action, as well as Patton's affinity for the Colt Peacemaker, Pershing titled Patton his "Bandito." Patton's success in this regard gained him a level of fame in the United States, and he was featured in newspapers across the nation.[8]
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haha i find it funny all the folks agreeing with Churchill's stance on India yet all for American Independence. I guess John Adams, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson etc were all as bad as Ghandi and the king of England had every right to 'look after his interests' especially taxation without representation right? ::)
Churchill was a great man and it's sad he's not being given the proper respect from the youth of England. But he wasn't a saint and to not acknowledge ones faults is to make them not human and therefore not real.
The fuck are you rambling about? Britain handled America the same way they handled India. They lost the war and we gained our independence. ::)
Or are you saying that you don't acknowledge England trying to protect its interests with regards to the colonies?
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And you feel the same way about British rule, tyranny and oppression of the US before the American revolution?
Nope, my prerogative as an American is to support the colonists who rebelled against those dirt bag Brits.
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The fuck are you rambling about? Britain handled America the same way they handled India. They lost the war and we gained our independence. ::)
Or are you saying that you don't acknowledge England trying to protect its interests with regards to the colonies?
i'm saying it's a double standard to on one hand be praising and supportive of England fighting for it's interests in India and on the other hand against english interests in america and all for a revolution against it.
You've turned into quite the little troll lately perhaps samson is owning your mind rather badly. Shame really two troll like posters can't get along in their trolling ways. Now run along little one.
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i'm saying it's a double standard to on one hand be praising and supportive of England fighting for it's interests in India and on the other hand against english interests in america and all for a revolution against it.
You've turned into quite the little troll lately perhaps samson is owning your mind rather badly. Shame really two troll like posters can't get along in their trolling ways. Now run along little one.
You're still not making any sense. It's one thing to understand England's actions. They're protecting their interests. Just like they tried to protect their interests with regards to the colonies. Agreeing with it or supporting it is an entirely different story.
The fact that you're vilifying Churchill for doing his job is amusing, though. I'm sure he would have been much more respected for bending over like a little bitch and throwing England into the fire. ::)
Thanks for comparing me to SamsonEnterprises, but I'm a much better troll. I have taken it upon myself to humiliate him whenever I can, however.
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Well, Let's be honest... You could have said WC fields and it have been understandable.
I'd even give myself a 50/50 chance if I saw the photo.
I'd be like... "Hmm... it's either Winston Churchill or WC Fields.... You tell me which one."
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Come on TU - not knowing Churchill is ridiculous.
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It's not really surprising. England will be an Islamic caliphate within 50 years and all of its previous history will be erased from the annals of history.
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Like I said... I'd have a 50/50 chance 333... I'm just being real with you.
Tell me that you wouldn't confuse this guy:
(http://rohrbachlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/churchill.jpg)
With this guy.
(http://www.duckprods.com/scrapbook/wc_pics/01fields_1.jpg)
Especially when it's from photos that are almost 100 years old?
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Considering I actually wear a Churchill T-Shirt with him giving the Victory Sign I guess I am a little biased. ;D ;D
Serious, I have a Churchill shirt I wear and most people have no idea who he is.
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Considering I actually wear a Churchill T-Shirt with him giving the Victory Sign I guess I am a little biased. ;D ;D
Serious, I have a Churchill shirt I wear and most people have no idea who he is.
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Come on TU - not knowing Churchill is ridiculous.
There is nothing to know...sorta like a few decades from now..do you think people will care about what George Bush did? especially since his history is not one of honesty or integrity. And a child of Randolf Spencer Churchill aka Jack THe Ripper...No Thanks. You americans are always praising the WRONG PEOPLE...
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So who should we be praising samson. Give me names.
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So who should we be praising samson. Give me names.
Try GOD and JESUS... everyone else is a FAILURE
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Try GOD and JESUS... everyone else is a FAILURE
If you are including "SAMSON123" then I might even agree.
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I used to be a fan of Churchill, until I learned that he opposed India's independence from Britain's rule, tyranny and oppression, and when I learned that Churchill hated Gandhi and wanted him dead.
He was a British politician, chosen by the British people, with a mandate to defend Britain's interests, foreign and domestic. If he would have let India slip away without a fight, he should (and probably would) have been executed for high treason. And justifiably so. Freeing India might sound very noble for Indians themselves, or people with no stake in the matter, but that was not the job he was hired to do.
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He was a British politician, chosen by the British people, with a mandate to defend Britain's interests, foreign and domestic. If he would have let India slip away without a fight, he should (and probably would) have been executed for high treason. And justifiably so. Freeing India might sound very noble for Indians themselves, or people with no stake in the matter, but that was not the job he was hired to do.
oh he got away with a lot, I doubt they would have "executed" him.
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oh he got away with a lot, I doubt they would have "executed" him.
I admit I was charging the point. But the fact remains: he was hired to do a specific job, and he did it as best he could. Unlike today's politicians, who are only concerned with getting (re-)elected at any price, telling any lie.
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I admit I was charging the point. But the fact remains: he was hired to do a specific job, and he did it as best he could. Unlike today's politicians, who are only concerned with getting (re-)elected at any price, telling any lie.
oh I'm not busting your balls over anything you said. All these guys are masters at changing the point. I don't much worry about that stuff anymore. I only lol'd that he would be executed over it. That's all. The rest, you all can keep on keeping on or whatever the hell... lol.... :D
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The fact is that chiurchill provided strenthg and leadership to england when it needed it during the battle of britian and the london bombings.
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The fact is that chiurchill provided strenthg and leadership to england when it needed it during the battle of britian and the london bombings.
Holy fucking shit. You were drunk late last night and you're already posting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The fact is that chiurchill provided strenthg and leadership to england when it needed it during the battle of britian and the london bombings.
although, by your post, you might still be a little under the influence :D lololol...
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My indian neighbors are outside speaking hindu so loudly they woke me up. There are about 15 of them living in a tiny place and everyone lives on top of eah other here.
Btw I was drinking Sam Adams Summer ale. Pretty good.
I am boycotting corona right now. I'm also trying to spend money on smaller brewers than the big guys.
And yes hugo, my head is a little off but I am getting the jet ski ready to go down to the brooyn bridge area.
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My indian neighbors are outside speaking hindu so loudly they woke me up. There are about 15 of them living in a tiny place and everyone lives on top of eah other here.
Btw I was drinking Sam Adams Summer ale. Pretty good.
I am boycotting corona right now. I'm also trying to spend money on smaller brewers than the big guys.
And yes hugo, my head is a little off but I am getting the jet ski ready to go down to the brooyn bridge area.
Sweet, we were both drinking Sam Adams last night. :D I'm drinking Sam Adams Imperial White and Imperial Stout. There's other beers I'd rather be having but they're not available. :(
Still, No Way, I'm not worthy!!!! No way I'm getting up that fast after a night of drinking...
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=32097_zy8x7p.gif)
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Truth hurts, doesn't it?
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If you are including "SAMSON123" then I might even agree.
No, I don't want to be praised. Just God and Jesus...
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Come on TU - not knowing Churchill is ridiculous.
If your british it's certainly ridiculous. No excuse for not knowing who he is imo, but seeing the braindead state of some people in london it doesnt suprise me. They know more about pop idol 2002 than they do about history.
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Unreal to think I know more about churchill and am more interested in this stuff than native british.