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Brock shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with the other two. Overeem is the only guy who deserves a shot at Fedor and the only guy who stands a chance of beating him.
When Cock Chestnar stops faking illnesses and gets some fights under his belt against some top 10 HWs that are in their prime, then he can start calling for a match with Fedor.
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oh and I'll add Barnett :D
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In before the UFC's ball cleaner, I think it's gonna rain.
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Brock shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with the other two. Overeem is the only guy who deserves a shot at Fedor and the only guy who stands a chance of beating him.
When Cock Chestnar stops faking illnesses and gets some fights under his belt against some top 10 HWs that are in their prime, then he can start calling for a match with Fedor.
Overeem is barely in the top 10 and Fedor is still gonna dodge him.
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Overeem is barely in the top 10 and Fedor is still gonna dodge him.
UFC nuthugging at its best ::) ::)
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Too bad we'll never find out since he is ducking both. Can't wait for Fedor vs. Herschel Walker ::)
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Challenge issued; challenge accepted.
Mere hours after Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker said he would need to sit down with M-1 Global officials to determine if a potential blockbuster fight between Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem (33-11 MMA, 3-0 SF) and perennial top-ranked fighter Fedor Emelianenko (31-1 MMA, 1-0 SF) might be possible for later this year, those officials have answered the call.
And according to M-1 Global executive Evgeni Kogan, Fabricio Werdum is all that's standing in the way.
"As we've mentioned in the past, Fedor fights whoever is put in front of him," Kogan today told MMAjunkie.com (UFC blog for UFC news, UFC rumors, fighter interviews and event previews/recaps | MMAjunkie.com). "If Overeem is presented by the Strikeforce matchmakers as Fedor's next opponent, then that is who Fedor is going to fight."
After defeating Brett Rogers at Saturday night's "Strikeforce St. Louis: Heavy Artillery" event, Overeem made it a point to call-out the Russian heavyweight in his post-fight speech, as well as again in the evening's post-event press conference.
Coker was quick to point out that such a bout could only be arranged with the blessings of his business partners at M-1 Global, who own Emelianenko's promotional contract.
M-1 Global now seems receptive to that possibility, though Kogan said Emelianenko simply can't focus on that opportunity at this time with a June 26 matchup with Werdum in San Jose, Calif., on the horizon.
"At this point Fedor is choosing not to look past Fabricio," Kogan said. "He is in the most intense part of his training camp in Stary Oskol right now and would like for it to be known that he is focused 100 percent on Werdum.
"The camp considers Werdum a very strong and dangerous opponent – as Fedor's brother found out a few years ago – and all attention is currently on June 26 and San Jose."
So it appears, as least for now, that Emelianenko's Showtime-broadcast bout with Werdum is all that stands in the way of a matchup with Overeem. It's a bout that makes sense for the organization, makes sense for the fans, and apparently now makes sense for M-1 Global.
"I thought [Overeem] won in very impressive fashion," Kogan said. "We respect Alistair as an opponent and think that this would be a great potential matchup."
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I hope this is true and that they don't pull some last minute BS. This is a fight I want to see. As I said before this is a lose lose for Fedor. If he dodges Alistar, he continues to get criticized. If he fights him, he likely gets KTFO....lol....love it!
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I hope this is true and that they don't pull some last minute BS. This is a fight I want to see. As I said before this is a lose lose for Fedor. If he dodges Alistar, he continues to get criticized. If he fights him, he likely gets KTFO....lol....love it!
If I were a betting man, I am going with a staph outbreak in Russia around this time. ;D
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still bitter Fedor is the best... ;D
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still bitter Fedor is the best... ;D
He's the best at fighting UFC rejects fresh off a shit-canning.
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Werdum beat Overeem. You just made 200 posts as to why Overeem would beat Fedor etc. By your own warped logic, if Fedor beats Werdum, he is effectively better than Overeem also.
You cant use your braindead MMA mathmatics when it suits you and then ignore it the rest of the time. If you consider Overeem a top 5 HW, Fedor beating Werdum is as impressive as beating Overeem himself.
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The truth is Overeem may or may not be able to beat Fedor, but we won't know unless they fight. I hope they make this one happen. They still have one big hurdle to clear though. Overeem's drug test has not come back yet. If it comes back positive, it may just be the final nail in StrikeFroce's coffin!
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Werdum beat Overeem. You just made 200 posts as to why Overeem would beat Fedor etc. By your own warped logic, if Fedor beats Werdum, he is effectively better than Overeem also.
You cant use your braindead MMA mathmatics when it suits you and then ignore it the rest of the time. If you consider Overeem a top 5 HW, Fedor beating Werdum is as impressive as beating Overeem himself.
I can use whatever logic as I fell fit to use chump!
Don't be mad with be for seeing Fedor as the fraud he is.
BTW..thanks for reading all my posts ;D
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Even a fraud couldn't pad a 31-1 record. A fraud would of been KO'd, submitted, or couldn't handle the pressure to come that far.
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Even a fraud couldn't pad a 31-1 record. A fraud would of been KO'd, submitted, or couldn't handle the pressure to come that far.
I should have clarified....
He had a good run for years, earning his victories and ranking.
In the recent years, he has ducked a major org, major fights, and has been fighting freaks shows and UFC Rejects in an apparent attempt to keep his record in tact.
That is why I think he and his management are frauds.
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I should have clarified....
He had a good run for years, earning his victories and ranking.
In the recent years, he has ducked a major org, major fights, and has been fighting freaks shows and UFC Rejects in an apparent attempt to keep his record in tact.
That is why I think he and his management are frauds.
The UFC wouldn't allow M-1 to co-promote. They took their business elsewhere. It's that simple.
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The UFC wouldn't allow M-1 to co-promote. They took their business elsewhere. It's that simple.
It's not that simple. The UFC is a known brand with HUGE drawing power. No one knows who fuck M1 is. Why would the UFC want to use its brand equity to help build the name of a competitive promotion ??? Why would the UFC want to split profits with a promotion that has no drawing power ???
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of course, what moron would think otherwise ???
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I should have clarified....
He had a good run for years, earning his victories and ranking.
In the recent years, he has ducked a major org, major fights, and has been fighting freaks shows and UFC Rejects in an apparent attempt to keep his record in tact.
That is why I think he and his management are frauds.
Also, you forgot- Fedor used a stunt double for the suplex he recieved from Kevin Randleman. It's well known that the Russians have access to a memory erasing device that is similar to the one that was used in the Hollywood blockbuster "Men In Black". Right before the suplex, M1 global sent a pulse across the airwave of the broadcast and the arena that froze everything in midair. While Frozen a fat Fedor look alike was installed into the ring to recieve the suplex. Immediately afterward, the device was used again and Fedor was switched back into the ring. That's why he submitted Randleman.
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Also, you forgot- Fedor used a stunt double for the suplex he recieved from Kevin Randleman. It's well known that the Russians have access to a memory erasing device that is similar to the one that was used in the Hollywood blockbuster "Men In Black". Right before the suplex, M1 global sent a pulse across the airwave of the broadcast and the arena that froze everything in midair. While Frozen a fat Fedor look alike was installed into the ring to recieve the suplex. Immediately afterward, the device was used again and Fedor was switched back into the ring. That's why he submitted Randleman.
This was also how many years ago :o
You need to learn how to read a little better, chump.
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The last time Fedor fought anyone good and in their prime was in 2005 when he beat Crocop. It's been 5 years! Since then he's fought everyone from middle weight Matt Linland to freakshow Hong Man Choi. His last win was over Brett Rodgers, who was just exposed as a 3rd tier heavy weight. Fedor is no longer relevant and that is why he is dodging fights.
(http://www.mmacrave.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/fedor-emelianenko-2.jpg)
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The last time Fedor fought anyone good and in their prime was in 2005 when he beat Crocop. It's been 5 years! Since then he's fought everyone from middle weight Matt Linland to freakshow Hong Man Choi. His last win was over Brett Rodgers, who was just exposed as a 3rd tier heavy weight. Fedor is no longer relevant and that is why he is dodging fights.
(http://www.mmacrave.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/fedor-emelianenko-2.jpg)
and who has fought better fighters?
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The only reason why Fedor hasn't lost is because he's never fought any really big guy who is as good as he is. This is not his fault, but the fault of the fact that all guys who are a lot bigger than him are technically far inferior in submissions and take-down defenses.
All the huge UFC heavyweight have serious flaws in their game that would be disaster for them if they fought Emelianenko. Brock has terrible stand-up, lacks punching power and although good wrestler isn't good at submissions. Carwin has good - not great - stand up skills, great KO power and is a very tough guy, but his ground game is sad and his take-down defenses are not good enough to stop Fedor from taking him there. Velasques is the most complete of the UFC heavyweights, but he is simply not good enough at any aspect of the game to overwhelm Fedor(ok submissions, ok wrestling, ok stand up but nothing great).
Nogueira is the best UFC heavyweight in my opinion because although not as huge as the other three, he has great wrestling, outstanding grappling and is arguably the toughest fighter of all times. And guess what...Fedor destroyed him in his prime two times. Lol. Nogueira is the best of them when you factor in all variables and Fedor dominated him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I can use whatever logic as I fell fit to use chump!
Don't be mad with be for seeing Fedor as the fraud he is.
BTW..thanks for reading all my posts ;D
"Hands down, the best fighter in the world is Emelianenko Fedor- BJ Penn
"Don't be mad with be for seeing Fedor as the fraud he is."- You
Go watch TUF you uneducated UFC hype buyer.
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BJ Penn is an awesome fighter, but a complete idiot. Who cares what he says ::)
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God gave BJ great fighting skills, with the expense of a baby faced chrome dome head to live with.
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lol
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Fedor on why he didn't sign:
Rampage talking about the UFC not treating fighters well (forward to 5:40):
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The translator is hesitantly laughing cause I believe Fedor says "They wanted to fuck us for nothing"
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BJ Penn is an awesome fighter, but a complete idiot. Who cares what he says ::)
Interviewer- Who is the best p4p fighter?
Shogun Rua- "Emelianenko Fedor"
Do you want me to keep going here? Its just gonna get worse for you.
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Interviewer- Who is the best p4p fighter?
Shogun Rua- "Emelianenko Fedor"
Do you want me to keep going here? Its just gonna get worse for you.
hahaha mindspin is getting owned and won't recover :D
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The translator is hesitantly laughing cause I believe Fedor says "They wanted to fuck us for nothing"
What is Fedor going to say....like he is actually going to tell the truth.
Could you imagine him telling the truth...
"I want easy paydays, freakshow fights, and UFC Rejects of a fresh shit-canning is always an added bonus"
A illusionist never gives away his secrets ;D
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If after Fedor's SF contract is up and he fights Barnett, then refuses to go to the UFC for at least one fight, then I will agree with Weight that he is being cowardly and ducking other top HW's.
For the time being though-- if his next 3 fights are Werdum, Overeem, Barnett- Who the hell is going to argue that he's not fighting top competiton? (except a braindead Dana White ball polisher)
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If after Fedor's SF contract is up and he fights Barnett, then refuses to go to the UFC for at least one fight, then I will agree with Weight that he is being cowardly and ducking other top HW's.
For the time being though-- if his next 3 fights are Werdum, Overeem, Barnett- Who the hell is going to argue that he's not fighting top competiton? (except a braindead Dana White ball polisher)
No org in the US in going to sign a fight with Barnett. Barnett is another has-been that is a HUGE disgrace to the sport IMO. Fuck him.
Besides if Fedor had a problem with Overeem, but is willing to fight a two-time drug test failing Barnett, that would be very hypocritical.
Overeem would be a good fight, but Fedor needs to fight the TOP RANKED HW's period. NO MATTER what org, or who they are.
That is the way it is with rankings. Enough of the BS arguing. If a guy is ranked #2 you have to fight and beat him to prove you deserve #1.
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If you are #1 you don't have to prove shit.
It is up to the #2, #3, etc. to prove they deserve the #1 spot by beating Fedor. Dana should let them fight in Strikeforce like he let Chuck fight in Pride. It worked out great last time ;D
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The only reason why Fedor hasn't lost is because he's never fought any really big guy who is as good as he is. This is not his fault, but the fault of the fact that all guys who are a lot bigger than him are technically far inferior in submissions and take-down defenses.
All the huge UFC heavyweight have serious flaws in their game that would be disaster for them if they fought Emelianenko. Brock has terrible stand-up, lacks punching power and although good wrestler isn't good at submissions. Carwin has good - not great - stand up skills, great KO power and is a very tough guy, but his ground game is sad and his take-down defenses are not good enough to stop Fedor from taking him there. Velasques is the most complete of the UFC heavyweights, but he is simply not good enough at any aspect of the game to overwhelm Fedor(ok submissions, ok wrestling, ok stand up but nothing great).
Nogueira is the best UFC heavyweight in my opinion because although not as huge as the other three, he has great wrestling, outstanding grappling and is arguably the toughest fighter of all times. And guess what...Fedor destroyed him in his prime two times. Lol. Nogueira is the best of them when you factor in all variables and Fedor dominated him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Holy Shit...that has to be the dumbest thing I have read on here in a while. Have you even seen a UFC fight lately? Let alone Nog last fight?
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If you are #1 you don't have to prove shit.
It is up to the #2, #3, etc. to prove they deserve the #1 spot by beating Fedor. Dana should let them fight in Strikeforce like he let Chuck fight in Pride. It worked out great last time ;D
Doesn't work like that when you are in the premiere major leagues of MMA. UFC offered Fedor a contract and he made excuses all the way back to Russia. He will be exposed soon enough. Don't you worry.
Meanwhile the UFC is just fine without that old has-been with a padded record.
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Holy Shit...that has to be the dumbest thing I have read on here in a while. Have you even seen a UFC fight lately? Let alone Nog last fight?
Yes, dumbass. How does the fact that Nogueira, who is past his prime old, lost to man who is 50 lbs heavier take away from his greatness? He is the best UFC heavyweight technically and also the toughest. He lost to father Time and not to Velasques.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Doesn't work like that when you are in the premiere major leagues of MMA. UFC offered Fedor a contract and he made excuses all the way back to Russia. He will be exposed soon enough. Don't you worry.
Meanwhile the UFC is just fine without that old has-been with a padded record.
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your replies are getting pathetic & desperate ..
even for a UFC guy like yourself...
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Doesn't work like that when you are in the premiere major leagues of MMA. UFC offered Fedor a contract and he made excuses all the way back to Russia. He will be exposed soon enough. Don't you worry.
Meanwhile the UFC is just fine without that old has-been with a padded record.
Padded record? Dude, you sound so stupid you're humiliating yourself. Who was better than Nogueira, CroCop, Mark Hunt, and Semmy Schilt ect back in the mid 2000s??? He beat all of the best fighters on the planet at the time you idiot.
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What is Fedor going to say....like he is actually going to tell the truth.
Could you imagine him telling the truth...
"I want easy paydays, freakshow fights, and UFC Rejects of a fresh shit-canning is always an added bonus"
A illusionist never gives away his secrets ;D
Dude, you are a moron of gargantuan proportions. Fresh of a shit canning? Arlovski was ranked number 2 in the World when he fought Fedor, and he left the UFC because he wanted to. Dana White actually flew to Chicago to try to bring him back to the UFC, idiot fucker. Here is a quote from Dana White regarding Arlovski:
"In my nine years as UFC promoter, the only fighter who left that I didn't want to leave was Arlovski. I flew to Chicago and kissed his ass to try to bring him back."
You are a true idiot who knows shit about MMA and you should really shut the fuck up before you embarass yourself even more than you already have. What the fuck is wrong with you, dude? How are you capable of saying so many stupid things in a row? You must be trying really hard because no one is naturally this stupid.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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hahaha even sucky is owning the ufc nuthuggers :D
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Dude, you are a moron of gargantuan proportions. Fresh of a shit canning? Arlovski was ranked number 2 in the World when he fought Fedor, and he left the UFC because he wanted to. Dana White actually flew to Chicago to try to bring him back to the UFC, idiot fucker. Here is a quote from Dana White regarding Arlovski:
"In my nine years as UFC promoter, the only fighter who left that I didn't want to leave was Arlovski. I flew to Chicago and kissed his ass to try to bring him back."
You are a true idiot who knows shit about MMA and you should really shut the fuck up before you embarass yourself even more than you already have. What the fuck is wrong with you, dude? How are you capable of saying so many stupid things in a row? You must be trying really hard because no one is naturally this stupid.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Thanks for reading my posts. Looks like you are learning. I will excuse your ignorance.
Dana very well wanted to sign Arvloski, but not at the price he may have been asking. Much like Hendo.
Regardless...does it piss you off to know that Dana and the UFC were right about both those washed up cans.
Arvloski is pretty close to not getting a legitimate MMA fight ever again....
Second thought....he can't even cut it in Strikeforce. Where's he going to go...Moosin and fight big Timmy?
You better know your roll on here...
Do me a favor and educate yourself a little better before you come on here talking to me like that.
You can start by going to the beginning of my post history :o
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Padded record? Dude, you sound so stupid you're humiliating yourself. Who was better than Nogueira, CroCop, Mark Hunt, and Semmy Schilt ect back in the mid 2000s??? He beat all of the best fighters on the planet at the time you idiot.
Listen to yourself chump....you just stated just as I have been saying all along.
He beat the best at the time. Not anymore though.
I could care less though. He time is up....you wait and see.
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Yes, dumbass. How does the fact that Nogueira, who is past his prime old, lost to man who is 50 lbs heavier take away from his greatness? He is the best UFC heavyweight technically and also the toughest. He lost to father Time and not to Velasques.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
They don't have a masters division in MMA, so your post is completely fucking pointless. Nog is also not able to handle the new breed of HW in the UFC. Plain and simple. You have posted some of the dumbest shit I have seen on here in a while. You should really try another sport. Serious.
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Listen to yourself chump....you just stated just as I have been saying all along.
He beat the best at the time. Not anymore though.
I could care less though. He time is up....you wait and see.
Your just a ZUFFA brainwashed bozo who cannot be reasoned with. Its so sad to see they have gotten to you so easily. It almost as if your little brain wasn't powerful enough to put up much of a fight.
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hahaha even sucky is owning the ufc nuthuggers :D
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"Even" sucky? Whatever.
I don't understand the Fedor haters. According to MMA Weekly, this will be fourth fight in a row that Fedor fights top 10 fighters:
Tim Sylvia was ranked 4th in the World when Fedor fought him by MMA Weekly and 3rd by Sherdog.
Andrei Arlovski was ranked 2nd in the World by both MMA Weekly and Sherdog when Fedor fought him.
Brett Rogers was ranked 7th by MMA Weekly when he fought Fedor.
Werdum is ranked 10th currently and when he will fight Fedor.
What more do the Fedor haters want? ??? ??? ??? Maybe the Fedor haters want fedor to always fight whoever is ranked 2 in the World in each and every single fight? What UFC champion has fought top 10 ranked fighters four fights in a row? None!
Fedor will go down not only as the greatest MMA fighter, but also as the most consistent. By consistent, I mean that the overral quality of his opponents has always been superior to that faced by any other heavyweight fighter. Sure, fedor has fought tomato cans, but even the tomato cans he's fought were pretty good for tomato cans. I mean, Hong Man Choi is 7'3 and 360 lbs, and that's a pretty big tomato to smash. Besides, you don't judge a fighter's skills by the worst he's fought, but by the best. Minotauro, Arona, Heath Herring and Crocop in their primes were technically superior to any of the top UFC heavyweights today, with Minotauro being superior technically on the ground and Crocop as a striker, and fedor demolished them.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Thanks for reading my posts. Looks like you are learning. I will excuse your ignorance.
Dana very well wanted to sign Arvloski, but not at the price he may have been asking. Much like Hendo.
Regardless...does it piss you off to know that Dana and the UFC were right about both those washed up cans.
Arvloski is pretty close to not getting a legitimate MMA fight ever again....
Second thought....he can't even cut it in Strikeforce. Where's he going to go...Moosin and fight big Timmy?
You better know your roll on here...
Do me a favor and educate yourself a little better before you come on here talking to me like that.
You can start by going to the beginning of my post history
Excuses, excuses...the fact is that you lied when you claimed that Fedor fights UFC rejects fresh from a shit canning.
the reason why Arlovski left the UFC is completely irrelevant; the point dumbass is that he left because he wanted to and not because Dana White expelled him.
And the UFC is better by having him leaving? Oh, really? Then why did Dana ask for him to stay? His winning % in the UFC was over 70% in the year he left. He was very good by UFC standards, but he simply couldn't handle the greatest fighter of all times.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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They don't have a masters division in MMA, so your post is completely fucking pointless. Nog is also not able to handle the new breed of HW in the UFC. Plain and simple. You have posted some of the dumbest shit I have seen on here in a while. You should really try another sport. Serious.
Hey dumbass, my point was that Nogueira in his prime would demolish any of your beloved 280 lbs UFC fighters you love so much. Size doesen't matter on the ground, and Nogueira is by far more technical in submissions and submission defenses than the top UFC heavyweights are today and defeated much bigger opponents than what the UFC has to offer. Consider Bob Sapp who was 400 lbs at the time he fought Nogueira and was a lineman on the NFL.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Your just a ZUFFA brainwashed bozo who cannot be reasoned with. Its so sad to see they have gotten to you so easily. It almost as if your little brain wasn't powerful enough to put up much of a fight.
Ok....just don't let me get you soooo worked up chump. I am entitled to not only like the UFC, as the majority of the MMA fans today do, I can also express my opinions on here. Get used to me and calm the fuck down.
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Excuses, excuses...the fact is that you lied when you claimed that Fedor fights UFC rejects fresh from a shit canning.
the reason why Arlovski left the UFC is completely irrelevant; the point dumbass is that he left because he wanted to and not because Dana White expelled him.
And the UFC is better by having him leaving? Oh, really? Then why did Dana ask for him to stay? His winning % in the UFC was over 70% in the year he left. He was very good by UFC standards, but he simply couldn't handle the greatest fighter of all times.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Argue all you want about that UFC Reject. He was shit-canned from the UFC. Just because Dana says something in the media does not make it true. He is doing that with Shields currently and he did it with Hendo. He drives the prices up and is willing to sign them, but it also makes the competing orgs pay a lot more then they can sometimes afford. This is how he hurts them. He has even admitted to this before.
Arvloski is a current can. He just lost to drug user Bigfoot Silva. Give me a break chump. Know your roll on here. i will own you and your thoughts on here if you don't calm down.
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Hey dumbass, my point was that Nogueira in his prime would demolish any of your beloved 280 lbs UFC fighters you love so much. Size doesen't matter on the ground, and Nogueira is by far more technical in submissions and submission defenses than the top UFC heavyweights are today and defeated much bigger opponents than what the UFC has to offer. Consider Bob Sapp who was 400 lbs at the time he fought Nogueira and was a lineman on the NFL.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Nog is not in his prime anymore. End of discussion. Bob Sapp is no real MMA fighter. Don't really get your point.
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Argue all you want about that UFC Reject. He was shit-canned from the UFC. Just because Dana says something in the media does not make it true. He is doing that with Shields currently and he did it with Hendo. He drives the prices up and is willing to sign them, but it also makes the competing orgs pay a lot more then they can sometimes afford. This is how he hurts them. He has even admitted to this before.
Arvloski is a current can. He just lost to drug user Bigfoot Silva. Give me a break chump. Know your roll on here. i will own you and your thoughts on here if you don't calm down.
You are desperate. You got owned and now you are making up shit claiming that Dana White was lying when he stated he didn't want Arlovski to leave. Know your role here: being my doormat. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nog is not in his prime anymore. End of discussion.
Which was my point from the start, dumbass. Nogueira is the best heavyweight the UFC ever had, and fedor destroyed him in his prime twice.
Bob Sapp is no real MMA fighter. Don't really get your point.
On the ground, Carwin is not better than he is, and Sapp packed 120 lbs more weight than him, most of it muscle and Nogueira in his prime destroyed him. Lesnar and Velasques are better on the ground than he is, but not standing and Sapp has the strength and power advantage being over 100 lbs heavier. So your claim that the current 280 lbs heavyweights would destroy Nogueira in his prime and Fedor is retarded. Minotauro would demolish all three in his prime.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You are desperate. You got owned and now you are making up shit claiming that Dana White was lying when he stated he didn't want Arlovski to leave. Know your role here: being my doormat. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Who said he was lying....I just said what he tells the media is not always the way it is or the whole story. You have absolutely no credibility here. You still think Nog is the best HW in the UFC. Come on....do I need to say more.
Even Earl is laughing at you. :o
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Which was my point from the start, dumbass. Nogueira is the best heavyweight the UFC ever had, and fedor destroyed him in his prime twice.
On the ground, Carwin is not better than he is, and Sapp packed 120 lbs more weight than him, most of it muscle and Nogueira in his prime destroyed him. Lesnar and Velasques are better on the ground than he is, but not standing and Sapp has the strength and power advantage being over 100 lbs heavier. So your claim that the current 280 lbs heavyweights would destroy Nogueira in his prime and Fedor is retarded. Minotauro would demolish all three in his prime.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You sound like you just woke up from hibernating over the past 5+ years and you fell asleep watching some PRIDE DVD's.
Seriously....Bob Sapp better then Carwin or Brock?
That's where I am ending this one. I love to debate on here....but if that is how you truly feel, it is literally pointless.
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Hahaha, WeightPSHR being horribly exposed again. Suckmymuscle just bitch slapped him. :-\
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Hahaha, WeightPSHR being horribly exposed again. Suckmymuscle just bitch slapped him. :-\
Thanks for reading...sooner or later you will learn something from me.
Trust me. It will just take you a little longer then the rest.
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Who said he was lying....I just said what he tells the media is not always the way it is or the whole story. You have absolutely no credibility here. You still think Nog is the best HW in the UFC. Come on....do I need to say more.
You lied. Period. You said Fedor fights UFC rejects that were shit canned, whilst in reality he fought a guy who was ranked as number 2 in the World by the two most important MMA publications - MMA Weekly and Sherdog -, and who Dana White not only didn't expell from the UFC but actually tried to bring back. So what do you do? You claim that Dana is lying when he said he tried to get Arlovski back to the UFC. Tsc, tsc, tsc...you have no shame.
Even Earl is laughing at you.
Damn, your reading comprehension sucks. He actually said I am owning you. And he saying that is remarkable because he hates my guts.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You sound like you just woke up from hibernating over the past 5+ years and you fell asleep watching some PRIDE DVD's.
I really would like PRIDE FC to still be around. Sooooooooo much better than the UFC. I laughed my ass of when Quinton beat the shit out of UFC poster boy himself, Chucky. It exposed the UFC for the overrated little org that it was compared to PRIDE. Too bad the Yakuza scandal destroyed PRIDE's image and made it a cheap buy for Alonzo.
Seriously....Bob Sapp better then Carwin or Brock?
You are not only stupid, but you also have shitty reading comprehension. I said Bob Sapp is no more untalented on the ground than Carwin and was over 100 lbs heavier, most of it muscle, and prime Nogueira destroyed him. I didn't say anything about Sapp being better than Brock on the ground. However, he does have the power advantage and is no shittier than Brock as a striker. So you must at least concede the possibility that prime Nogueira would defeat Brock and Carwin.
That's where I am ending this one. I love to debate on here....but if that is how you truly feel, it is literally pointless.
I would delete my account if I were you and start over again. You are getting owned daily by pretty much everyone here. I am embarassed for you.
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"WeightPSHR" claims that Fedor only fights UFC rejects even though Arlovski had a 77% winning rate the year he left the UFC and that Dana tried everything to bring him back.
"WeightPSHR" claims that the new class of UFC heavyweights would destroy Fedor even though they have a combined 10 fights between them, all against cans(Mir) or fighters far beyond their primes(Nogueira, Couture, Herring).
"WeightPSHR" is an idiot and no one should waste their times arguing with him anymore. The kid just started to watch MMA and the UFC is all he knows. Let it like it...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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"WeightPSHR" claims that Fedor only fights UFC rejects even though Arlovski had a 77% winning rate the year he left the UFC and that Dana tried everything to bring him back.
"WeightPSHR" claims that the new class of UFC heavyweights would destroy Fedor even though they have a combined 10 fights between them, all against cans(Mir) or fighters far beyond their primes(Nogueira, Couture, Herring).
"WeightPSHR" is an idiot and no one should waste their times arguing with him anymore. The kid just started to watch MMA and the UFC is all he knows. Let it like it...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
MELTDOWN :o
This one is almost as good as Chumboxes meltdown.
You will never teach anyone on here anything.
You think Nog is the best HW in the UFC...case closed.
BTW...Fedor is a washed up, has-been, that has been fighting nothing but UFC rejects fresh off their shit-canning
from the UFC. Oh...and he also fought that overweight, one dimensional, black guy that took Fedor two rounds and
a broken nose to finally beat. The guy Overeem took less then half as long to beat. LOL.
Quit being such a chump.
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I really would like PRIDE FC to still be around. Sooooooooo much better than the UFC. I laughed my ass of when Quinton beat the shit out of UFC poster boy himself, Chucky. It exposed the UFC for the overrated little org that it was compared to PRIDE. Too bad the Yakuza scandal destroyed PRIDE's image and made it a cheap buy for Alonzo.
You are not only stupid, but you also have shitty reading comprehension. I said Bob Sapp is no more untalented on the ground than Carwin and was over 100 lbs heavier, most of it muscle, and prime Nogueira destroyed him. I didn't say anything about Sapp being better than Brock on the ground. However, he does have the power advantage and is no shittier than Brock as a striker. So you must at least concede the possibility that prime Nogueira would defeat Brock and Carwin.
I would delete my account if I were you and start over again. You are getting owned daily by pretty much everyone here. I am embarassed for you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Seriously.....Take my advice, You really need to stick to critiquing oiled up men in thongs and drooling over Dorian. You are truly a schmoe of epic levels.
We all have something we are good at. Don't be ashamed. Maybe you could have Dorian send you some of his soiled posing trunks if you show him half of the stuff you post about him.
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BTW...Fedor is a washed up, has-been, that has been fighting nothing but UFC rejects fresh off their shit-canning
from the UFC. Oh...and he also fought that overweight, one dimensional, black guy that took Fedor two rounds and
a broken nose to finally beat. The guy Overeem took less then half as long to beat. LOL.
Quit being such a chump.
Arlovski as well as Werdum left on their own accord, and so what if it took Fedor 2 rounds to beat Rogers. The UFC has a one dimensional white guy for a champion right now and he couldnt even put a washed up old Heath Herring away, Fedor did (im using your MMA math logic). It all boils down to styles make fights (you don't see styles you just UFC, Dana's genitals,TUF and that's it), and you don't know enough about techniques that make up those styles to ever have a convincing argument on here. That's where the one year of following the sport via TUF hurts you.
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Arlovski as well as Werdum left on their own accord, and so what if it took Fedor 2 rounds to beat Rogers. The UFC has a one dimensional white guy for a champion right now and he couldnt even put a washed up old Heath Herring away, Fedor did (im using your MMA math logic). It all boils down to styles make fights (you don't see styles you just UFC, Dana's genitals,TUF and that's it), and you don't know enough about techniques that make up those styles to ever have a convincing argument on here. That's where the one year of following the sport via TUF hurts you.
Can I ask a serious question...seeing your a 'real mma fan'....
Do you email fighters asking for their used soiled shorts and cups?
You surely enjoy talking about Dick N Balls.
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Can I ask a serious question...seeing your a 'real mma fan'....
Do you email fighters asking for their used soiled shorts and cups?
You surely enjoy talking about Dick N Balls.
I have actually trained in several of the facets that make up "Mixed Martial Arts". That's why I am able to look passed the whole "So and so is in the UFC, so that means whoever isn't, is washed up, or one dimensional, or has no talent", routine that you love to spew. Maybe you should spend less time on here bitching about anything or anyone not affiliated with the UFC, and more time training or getting educated about actual fighting and you'd appreciate skill for what it is (and not whining about brands and org's).
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I have actually trained in several of the facets that make up "Mixed Martial Arts". That's why I am able to look passed the whole "So and so is in the UFC, so that means whoever isn't, is washed up, or one dimensional, or has no talent", routine that you love to spew. Maybe you should spend less time on here bitching about anything or anyone not affiliated with the UFC, and more time training or getting educated about actual fighting and you'd appreciate skill for what it is (and not whining about brands and org's).
Dodging my question huh?
The UFC DOES HAVE most of the best guys in MMA. That is a fact. Don't be mad at me for liking the biggest org in MMA as do millions of others. I used to like Strikeforce, but after the unprofessional show they put on in Nashville, being completely in over their heads, and putting a shit stain on the sport, I have zero respect for them. They are shitting on the sport that my favorite org has spent more time then anyone else trying to grow over the past 10+ years.
Maybe you should spend less time on here with your make-believe all-star MMA antics. I told you before, I don't give a shit what you train in, or what shows you have been to. It adds zero credibility to your posts, especially when you spew nothing but Dick N Ball talk.
You are above no one on here Chump. This is the internet. Come back to reality.
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I have actually trained in several of the facets that make up "Mixed Martial Arts". That's why I am able to look passed the whole "So and so is in the UFC, so that means whoever isn't, is washed up, or one dimensional, or has no talent", routine that you love to spew. Maybe you should spend less time on here bitching about anything or anyone not affiliated with the UFC, and more time training or getting educated about actual fighting and you'd appreciate skill for what it is (and not whining about brands and org's).
Ouch. You're going to make the kid cry.
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Ouch. You're going to make the kid cry.
I thought I was MS....Did you change your mind after running from that owning you had earlier.
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MELTDOWN
This one is almost as good as Chumboxes meltdown.
You will never teach anyone on here anything.
It is pointless arguing with you. It is like arguing with a lobotomized molusc.
You think Nog is the best HW in the UFC...case closed.
Learn to read, dumbass. The best heavyweight the UFC ever had. By that, I mean that Nogueira in his prime was better than any other heavyweight the UFC ever had. Is Nogueira currently the best? No, and I never said that.
BTW...Fedor is a washed up, has-been, that has been fighting nothing but UFC rejects fresh off their shit-canning
from the UFC.
You truly have no shame. Even ever getting exposed for your lies, you keep insisting on them. Yes, Arlovski with a 77% winning rate in the UFC and having left on his own free will is an "UFC reject". I believe you probably have no knowledge of the English language and doesen't know the meaning of the word "reject", because no one can be so shameless as to be insisting on the same lie even after it has been proven wrong.
Oh...and he also fought that overweight, one dimensional, black guy that took Fedor two rounds and
a broken nose to finally beat.
That guy is 5" taller and 35 lbs heavier than Fedor, and he knocked him out with a single punch. What other fighter in the World can knock out an opponent who is 35 lbs heavier with a single punch? Show me a single example? Go ahead. You can't compare that to Overeem's victory over Rogers, because Overeem is just as big and even stronger than Rogers. Fedor is much smaller, which makes his win, and the dramatic way he won even more remarkable.
The guy Overeem took less then half as long to beat. LOL.
Big deal. He is just as big as Rogers and even stronger. Fedor is small for a heavyweight and doesen't have the sheer muscle mass of Overeem. You can't compare the two.
Quit being such a chump.
Grow some balls and have some shame. Admit that you lied and delete your account like a real man. Come back with a different attitude and username and we will forgive you.
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Seriously.....Take my advice, You really need to stick to critiquing oiled up men in thongs and drooling over Dorian. You are truly a schmoe of epic levels.
We all have something we are good at. Don't be ashamed. Maybe you could have Dorian send you some of his soiled posing trunks if you show him half of the stuff you post about him.
Look who's talking. I bet you would like to do a threesome with Lesnar and Carwin, and have Carwin jab your mouth with his dick and Lesnar ground-and-pound your asshole. ;)
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WeightPSHR is a UFC schmoe. He doesn't train and most likely fiddles his dinky to the visual of two men wrestling in a cage. And a pedophile to boot. :-\
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It is pointless arguing with you. It is like arguing with a lobotomized molusc.
Learn to read, dumbass. The best heavyweight the UFC ever had. By that, I mean that Nogueira in his prime was better than any other heavyweight the UFC ever had. Is Nogueira currently the best? No, and I never said that.
You truly have no shame. Even ever getting exposed for your lies, you keep insisting on them. Yes, Arlovski with a 77% winning rate in the UFC and having left on his own free will is an "UFC reject". I believe you probably have no knowledge of the English language and doesen't know the meaning of the word "reject", because no one can be so shameless as to be insisting on the same lie even after it has been proven wrong.
That guy is 5" taller and 35 lbs heavier than Fedor, and he knocked him out with a single punch. What other fighter in the World can knock out an opponent who is 35 lbs heavier with a single punch? Show me a single example? Go ahead. You can't compare that to Overeem's victory over Rogers, because Overeem is just as big and even stronger than Rogers. Fedor is much smaller, which makes his win, and the dramatic way he won even more remarkable.
Big deal. He is just as big as Rogers and even stronger. Fedor is small for a heavyweight and doesen't have the sheer muscle mass of Overeem. You can't compare the two.
Grow some balls and have some shame. Admit that you lied and delete your account like a real man. Come back with a different attitude and username and we will forgive you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I feel slightly honored you put so much into that Meltdown....
You said you didn't say Nog was the best in the UFC, huh?
This is what you said:
Nogueira is the best UFC heavyweight in my opinion because although not as huge as the other three, he has great wrestling, outstanding grappling and is arguably the toughest fighter of all times. And guess what...Fedor destroyed him in his prime two times. Lol. Nogueira is the best of them when you factor in all variables and Fedor dominated him.
You also said I can't compare Fedor to Overeem huh? Overeem weighed 245 idiot. That is only 20lbs on Fedor. Rogers weight was 265.
Regardless, they are both HW and comaprable.
I am not going anywhere chump.
I would call you can idiot, but you have done a fine job making yourself out to be one.
Please stick to posting about men in oiled up thongs...please.
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Look who's talking. I bet you would like to do a threesome with Lesnar and Carwin, and have Carwin jab your mouth with his dick and Lesnar ground-and-pound your asshole. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Don't exaggerate shit chump...you don't see me posting pics of any men oiled up in thongs.
Are you a closet homo? Does your family know?
Is that why you seem so angry on here?
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WeightPSHR is a UFC schmoe. He doesn't train and most likely fiddles his dinky to the visual of two men wrestling in a cage. And a pedophile to boot. :-\
So what happened to me being MS?
Do you only use that card when you get backed into a corner?
You remind me of a fly on a pile of doghshit. Really.
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So what happened to me being MS?
Do you only use that card when you get backed into a corner?
You remind me of a fly on a pile of doghshit. Really.
Are you .... dana white himself.
I mean, I understand you like UFC but you act like someone is raping your family. lighten up a little.
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BF, are you saying that Weight is a kiddy diddler?
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Are you .... dana white himself.
I mean, I understand you like UFC but you act like someone is raping your family. lighten up a little.
Please read through some of this site before casting judgment upon me. Please, whatever you do, do not take this board
so serious. You will just become another victim.
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Through all of this I just have to reply on "Sucks" Carwin is no better than Sapp on the ground comment.
You are very wrong in this view, have you seen Sapp on the ground? His game is non existent. Carwin on the other hand is a two time runner up and a Div II champion which states he can hold his own on the ground which we have yet to really see in his MMA career.
Sapp wresting career consists of lights & scripts.
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Through all of this I just have to reply on "Sucks" Carwin is no better than Sapp on the ground comment.
You are very wrong in this view, have you seen Sapp on the ground? His game is non existent. Carwin on the other hand is a two time runner up and a Div II champion which states he can hold his own on the ground which we have yet to really see in his MMA career.
Sapp wresting career consists of lights & scripts.
Suckymuscle is responsible for that completely ridiculous statement...almost as bad as claiming Nog is the best HW in the UFC?
He is definitely out of his realm when he comes to this forum. He needs to stick to debating about Dorian's glutes :o
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Ok....just don't let me get you soooo worked up chump. I am entitled to not only like the UFC, as the majority of the MMA fans today do, I can also express my opinions on here. Get used to me and calm the fuck down.
Opinions are opinions yes, but they can also be dead wrong plain and simple- which yours is, you insignificant little speck.
Im guessing you are American, because it seems that typical brainwashed Americans are the only ones who refuse to recognize the Russians accomplishments for the simple fact that hes not with the dominant American company, the UFC (how ironic!!!)
You have absolutely fuck all for an argument here. BTW Emelianenko will go down as the greatest fighter to ever step into the ring BAR NONE.
BJ Penn, St. Pierre, Couture, Gracie, Shogun, Nogueira, Rutten, Wandy, Liddell, and many of the other legends of the sport will say the same. How you can argue with that is just beyond me.
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Opinions are opinions yes, but they can also be dead wrong plain and simple- which yours is, you insignificant little speck.
Im guessing you are American, because it seems that typical brainwashed Americans are the only ones who refuse to recognize the Russians accomplishments for the simple fact that hes not with the dominant American company, the UFC (how ironic!!!)
You have absolutely fuck all for an argument here. BTW Emelianenko will go down as the greatest fighter to ever step into the ring BAR NONE.
BJ Penn, St. Pierre, Couture, Gracie, Shogun, Nogueira, Rutten, Wandy, Liddell, and many of the other legends of the sport will say the same. How you can argue with that is just beyond me.
Who gives a shit if I am Mexican, Italian, Swedish, American....People around the world love the UFC. I like the UFC because without them, MMA would not have grown the way it has. I like having MMA to watch frequently. The UFC are the ones pouring money back into the sport and getting it sanctioned around the world. Many other orgs benefit from this hard work and money the UFC spends, but you haters always fail to realize that.
Fuck you and your poor, Russian Immigrant, pity-party bullshit attitude. Maybe you don't understand Engrish very well, but I have never said your Russian hero Fedor was not a legend. He is a legend without a doubt. He has also been fighting guys way below his 'supposed' talent level the last 4-5 yrs and does have a padded record.
Now sit down, drink some cheap Vodka, and thank the UFC for what they have allowed you to complain about.
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Who gives a shit if I am Mexican, Italian, Swedish, American....People around the world love the UFC. I like the UFC because without them, MMA would not have grown the way it has. I like having MMA to watch frequently. The UFC are the ones pouring money back into the sport and getting it sanctioned around the world. Many other orgs benefit from this hard work and money the UFC spends, but you haters always fail to realize that.
Fuck you and your poor, Russian Immigrant, pity-party bullshit attitude. Maybe you don't understand Engrish very well, but I have never said your Russian hero Fedor was not a legend. He is a legend without a doubt. He has also been fighting guys way below his 'supposed' talent level the last 4-5 yrs and does have a padded record.
Now sit down, drink some cheap Vodka, and thank the UFC for what they have allowed you to complain about.
People around the world love the UFC? Its hardly even recognized in alot of countries and many people have never even heard of it! Why are Americans so blind to other parts of the planet? They are stuck in their own little world oblivious to the outside world.
They are trying to break into other countries and have made a start, but thats it!
And what exactly has the UFC done for MMA? I appreciate the good fights they put on, but i dont appreciate the reality shows, the shit talk, and the BS propaganda they spread to gullible idiots like you. Sure they've made it popular, but now we have armchair warriors, rednecks, white trash and uneducated fans spewing dogshit all over the internet basically regurgitating the crap that comes out of Dana Whites mouth.
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People around the world love the UFC? Its hardly even recognized in alot of countries and many people have never even heard of it! Why are Americans so blind to other parts of the planet? They are stuck in their own little world oblivious to the outside world.
They are trying to break into other countries and have made a start, but thats it!
And what exactly has the UFC done for MMA? I appreciate the good fights they put on, but i dont appreciate the reality shows, the shit talk, and the BS propaganda they spread to gullible idiots like you. Sure they've made it popular, but now we have armchair warriors, rednecks, white trash and uneducated fans spewing dogshit all over the internet basically regurgitating the crap that comes out of Dana Whites mouth.
Dana was one of the finalists in TIME magazines 100 most influential people in the WORLD. That's right IN THE WORLD.
How did he get there....by fooling everyone right?
Or is it the white trash, rednecks that rigged the voting?
I am sure the poor ass Russian immigrants were even involved. You found a way to the internet right :o
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Suckymuscle is responsible for that completely ridiculous statement...almost as bad as claiming Nog is the best HW in the UFC?
He is definitely out of his realm when he comes to this forum. He needs to stick to debating about Dorian's glutes :o
Bro. He said Nog is the best Heavyweight UFC has had in their division. Meaning when you look @ all the declarations Nog has, he is the best champ to hold the belt. Randy 2nd IMO.
That’s it. Don't read into it.
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but I have never said your Russian hero Fedor was not a legend. He is a legend without a doubt. He has also been fighting guys way below his 'supposed' talent level the last 4-5 yrs and does have a padded record.
Have you ever considered the thought, because their is no one yet @ Fedor talent level?
Fedor is a man among boys right now & until he gets beat it will stay that way.
You cannot state that just because he fights for a different organization that he is not the best, you cannot go 31-0 & not get caught. It’s impossible.
FYI I'm done masturbating this 2 year long argument for the record.
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Bro. He said Nog is the best Heavyweight UFC has had in their division. Meaning when you look @ all the declarations Nog has, he is the best champ to hold the belt. Randy 2nd IMO.
That’s it. Don't read into it.
Originally that is not what he said in several posts in this thread. He is saying that after I called him out on it among other things.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=330939.msg4736054#msg4736054 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=330939.msg4736054#msg4736054)
Nogueira is the best UFC heavyweight in my opinion because although not as huge as the other three, he has great wrestling, outstanding grappling and is arguably the toughest fighter of all times. And guess what...Fedor destroyed him in his prime two times. Lol. Nogueira is the best of them when you factor in all variables and Fedor dominated him.
Regardless, this thread is about Fedor and his ability to beat Overeem and Brock. IMO Fedor will dodge both, as he has before, and we will argue about this for eternity.
Sucky is an idiot though. Anyone that thinks Bob Sapp is better then Carwin or Brock at wrestling is a complete idiot. I almost think he is fucking with us...but unfortunately he is not.
Enough of this shit about Fedor in his prime. This is 2010. He needs to fight current #2 guys while he is maintaining #1 status, no matter who they are. That is the way rankings work. It does not matter if you don't think Brock deserves #2 ranking...He IS ranked #2. It is what it is!
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Have you ever considered the thought, because their is no one yet @ Fedor talent level?
Fedor is a man among boys right now & until he gets beat it will stay that way.
You cannot state that just because he fights for a different organization that he is not the best, you cannot go 31-0 & not get caught. It’s impossible.
FYI I'm done masturbating this 2 year long argument for the record.
Fighting a #10 ranked guy next, when you are #1 is not being tested. Period.
Fighting a 7' freakshow fight on NYE is not a test.
Fighting Lindland at 185 lbs and cheating with the ropes, is not a test.
Get my point?
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I feel slightly honored you put so much into that Meltdown....
You said you didn't say Nog was the best in the UFC, huh?
This is what you said:
Nogueira is the best UFC heavyweight in my opinion because although not as huge as the other three, he has great wrestling, outstanding grappling and is arguably the toughest fighter of all times. And guess what...Fedor destroyed him in his prime two times. Lol. Nogueira is the best of them when you factor in all variables and Fedor dominated him.
Idiot, where did I ever claim that I didn't say that Nogueira is the best heavyweight the UFC ever had? Do you know the meaning of the word had? Past tense? That means that Nogueira in his prime would defeat any other heavyweight the UFC ever had. Your reading comprehension is worst than that of most third graders.
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You also said I can't compare Fedor to Overeem huh? Overeem weighed 245 idiot. That is only 20lbs on Fedor. Rogers weight was 265.
Regardless, they are both HW and comaprable.
First of all, Overeem is 250 lbs, moron. Secondly, Overeem weights a lean 250 lbs, whilst fedor weights a chubby 230 lbs. When you factor in bodyfat, Overeem probably has 40 lbs of lean body weight on Fedor. So once again, you got owned and you are a stupid fuck.
I am not going anywhere chump.
I would call you can idiot, but you have done a fine job making yourself out to be one.
Please stick to posting about men in oiled up thongs...please.
I caught you lying and exposed how retarded your arguments are - ex.Arlovski being a can in the UFC despite having a 77% winning rate. You are one dumb bitch and everyone makes you his anal lady boy. Delete your account and go away in...shame...
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Through all of this I just have to reply on "Sucks" Carwin is no better than Sapp on the ground comment.
You are very wrong in this view, have you seen Sapp on the ground? His game is non existent. Carwin on the other hand is a two time runner up and a Div II champion which states he can hold his own on the ground which we have yet to really see in his MMA career.
Sapp wresting career consists of lights & scripts.
Carwin has no ground game at all. I've never seen any ground game from Carwin, and I've watched all of his fights. He seems completely lost on the ground. He doesen't seem to be any better than Sapp. Maybe he will show ground game in his next fight against Lesnar, but so far he seems like a boxer on the ground.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Idiot, where did I ever claim that I didn't say that Nogueira is the best heavyweight the UFC ever had? Do you know the meaning of the word had? Past tense? That means that Nogueira in his prime would defeat any other heavyweight the UFC ever had. Your reading comprehension is worst than that of most third graders.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Nogueira is the best UFC heavyweight in my opinion because although not as huge as the other three, he has great wrestling, outstanding grappling and is arguably the toughest fighter of all times. And guess what...Fedor destroyed him in his prime two times. Lol. Nogueira is the best of them when you factor in all variables and Fedor dominated him.
There is not HAD in that statement. Epic excuses.
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Carwin has no ground game at all. I've never seen any ground game from Carwin, and I've watched all of his fights. He seems completely lost on the ground. He doesen't seem to be any better than Sapp. Maybe he will show ground game in his next fight against Lesnar, but so far he seems like a boxer on the ground.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Do you know Carwin was a wrestler before he started MMA?
Man...you really have to be joking. But unfortunately you are not.
What a trunk sniffing idiot you are. Like I said, have Dorian send you some autographed trunks and get lost. You have no place on here, schmoe.
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Carwin has no ground game at all. I've never seen any ground game from Carwin, and I've watched all of his fights. He seems completely lost on the ground. He doesen't seem to be any better than Sapp. Maybe he will show ground game in his next fight against Lesnar, but so far he seems like a boxer on the ground.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Dude Carwin's never been out of the first round, hard to sum up a guys ground game in 2-3 min. isn't it?
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That's where I am ending this one. I love to debate on here....but if that is how you truly feel, it is literally pointless.
Lol.
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Do you know Carwin was a wrestler before he started MMA?
Man...you really have to be joking. But unfortunately you are not.
What a trunk sniffing idiot you are. Like I said, have Dorian send you some autographed trunks and get lost. You have no place on here, schmoe.
Having a wrestling background means what? Lesnar has one and his ground game is pathetic. It amounts to nothing more than him laying on people with his superior size. Actually, scratch pathetic. His ground game is nothing short of embarrassing given his NCAA wrestling champion background.
Feel like owning yourself again?
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Having a wrestling background means what? Lesnar has one and his ground game is pathetic. It amounts to nothing more than him laying on people with his superior size. Actually, scratch pathetic. His ground game is nothing short of embarrassing given his NCAA wrestling champion background.
Feel like owning yourself again?
So you are telling us that wrestling is not one of the biggest bases to grow from when starting MMA?
Sucky was also comaring Sapps ground game to Carwins or Brocks.
You try awful hard at being so stupid don't you?
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What does the question of whether or not wrestling is a good background for MMA have to do with sucky's comments? Just because one has a wrestling background doesn't mean they're a good grappler (as Brock has proven LOL).
NCAA champion can't do anything but lay on people that he outsizes. Terrific ground game! ::)