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used to think heavy weights with 6 reps was the key to adding mass...
however, seems like the greats like Ronnie and Arnold would use "lighter" weights (not 10 pound dumbells!) and do more reps (greater than 10 per set). they would still lift heavy ass weight, for instance, if ronnie can press a 220 lb dumbell for 6 reps, he would instead do 180 lbs for 12 reps. Still very heavy, but "lighter" than usual so he can do more reps.
seems like arnold believed in that too, feeling like a better pump built more muscle than using very heavy weight with lower reps...
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when you use a little less intensity, you can use a whole lot more volume.
in essence, you avoid the extremely productive lifts (real heavy weight to failure) because they are very taxing on recovery and you would easily overtrain with a high volume of these types of sets.
this allows you to do such a large amount of moderately productive work that it more than makes up for the missing extremely productive work.
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when you use a little less intensity, you can use a whole lot more volume.
in essence, you avoid the extremely productive lifts (real heavy weight to failure) because they are very taxing on recovery and you would easily overtrain with a high volume of these types of sets.
this allows you to do such a large amount of moderately productive work that it more than makes up for the missing extremely productive work.
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used to think heavy weights with 6 reps was the key to adding mass...
however, seems like the greats like Ronnie and Arnold would use "lighter" weights (not 10 pound dumbells!) and do more reps (greater than 10 per set). they would still lift heavy ass weight, for instance, if ronnie can press a 220 lb dumbell for 6 reps, he would instead do 180 lbs for 12 reps. Still very heavy, but "lighter" than usual so he can do more reps.
seems like arnold believed in that too, feeling like a better pump built more muscle than using very heavy weight with lower reps...
Are you juicing ,Worm?
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Are you juicing ,Worm?
You think Heavy/low volume are better for a natty Che?
Arnold used to do about a gazillion sets worm, there is no way that is going to work as a natural.
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just get shredded stay shredded if yoru natty.. dont worry about training cuz ur not getting huge anyways
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You think Heavy/low volume are better for a natty Che?
Arnold used to do about a gazillion sets worm, there is no way that is going to work as a natural.
I usually do 3 or 4 exercises per body part 3-4 sets of 8-10 reps (no counting warm up sets ) it works for me.
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just get shredded stay shredded if yoru natty.. dont worry about training cuz ur not getting huge anyways
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I can't get huge but still I can put on some size
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I can't get huge but still I can put on some size
ur always shredded, for you putting on size is the only time you look different. you probably get built up to a point, like a division 3 college halfback type look. for 90& of natty's who arent shredded, training shouldnt be of any conern untill theyve been shredded for a while.
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Are you juicing ,Worm?
whats the difference?
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i dropped my ego at the door and have been doing lighter weight than usual and doing more reps (10-12) and been doing this for about a month now, and I can really see a difference already. wish i had been doing this 5-10 years ago...
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whats the difference?
Nevermind
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the principles are the same regardless if juicing or not.
its a basic principle.
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the principles are the same regardless if juicing or not.
its a basic principle.
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the principles are the same regardless if juicing or not.
its a basic principle.
Good luck with that.
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when you use a little less intensity, you can use a whole lot more volume.
in essence, you avoid the extremely productive lifts (real heavy weight to failure) because they are very taxing on recovery and you would easily overtrain with a high volume of these types of sets.
this allows you to do such a large amount of moderately productive work that it more than makes up for the missing extremely productive work.
translation: heres my excuses for training like a homo
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you dont get big lifting... you get big having a calorie surplus
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translation: heres my excuses for training like a homo
QFT
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used to think heavy weights with 6 reps was the key to adding mass...
however, seems like the greats like Ronnie and Arnold would use "lighter" weights (not 10 pound dumbells!) and do more reps (greater than 10 per set). they would still lift heavy ass weight, for instance, if ronnie can press a 220 lb dumbell for 6 reps, he would instead do 180 lbs for 12 reps. Still very heavy, but "lighter" than usual so he can do more reps.
seems like arnold believed in that too, feeling like a better pump built more muscle than using very heavy weight with lower reps...
Lifting real heavy weights doesnt mean your gonna get the muscle size you want.
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used to think heavy weights with 6 reps was the key to adding mass...
however, seems like the greats like Ronnie and Arnold would use "lighter" weights (not 10 pound dumbells!) and do more reps (greater than 10 per set). they would still lift heavy ass weight, for instance, if ronnie can press a 220 lb dumbell for 6 reps, he would instead do 180 lbs for 12 reps. Still very heavy, but "lighter" than usual so he can do more reps.
seems like arnold believed in that too, feeling like a better pump built more muscle than using very heavy weight with lower reps...
Absolufuckingly...
This physique was restored with light-heavy:
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I can't get huge but still I can put on some size
I find that hand cream and higher reps do wonders for me to get a great pump in the middle leg while watching hot babes on the stair climber
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I find that hand cream and higher reps do wonders for me to get a great pump in the middle leg while watching hot babes on the stair climber
Ain't that the truth.
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there is a gigantic difference between training natty and training gassed up
When you are gassed the more you train the more you grow....you dont even need off days
as a natty you have to actually temper yourself in the gym because if you stay there for two hours doing tons of work you wont recuperate
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Absolufuckingly...
This physique was restored with light-heavy:
This progress is due to being locked in the garage for a weekend, nice progress.
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there is a gigantic difference between training natty and training gassed up
When you are gassed the more you train the more you grow....you dont even need off days
as a natty you have to actually temper yourself in the gym because if you stay there for two hours doing tons of work you wont recuperate
How do you know this?
Increasing lifting poundages = CNS increases release of neurotransmitters
However reuptake and resynthesis stays the same... hmmmmmm
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nothin grow you better than heavy ass weight,,alwwaus always heavy ass weigh,,6-10 reps ,,never medium nothing ,,HEAVY ASS WEIGHT DONE WITH DECENT FORM
gh15 approved
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Best for mass? PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD. End of discussion.
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nothin grow you better than heavy ass weight,,alwwaus always heavy ass weigh,,6-10 reps ,,never medium nothing ,,HEAVY ASS WEIGHT DONE WITH DECENT FORM
gh15 approved
Agreed.
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Why not use the best of both worlds. I always start off with a heavy set for like 4/5/6 reps then i do one more set of 13 reps. im talking about 2 working sets per exerize here. i believe in mentzer's hit-training. even when im low on cals dieting, im still getting stronger this way, otherwise it gets boring. i just worked up to 100 kg for incline presses, for 3 reps, nothing fancy about that, but for me its a accomplishment, never see guys use that amount of weight with my low bodyweight of 83 kg, you could say im pound for pound one of the strongest in the gym. guys should focus on strength even when dieting imo, you aint gonna get any new muscle so why bother going to failure, instead of that get stronger!
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nothin grow you better than heavy ass weight,,alwwaus always heavy ass weigh,,6-10 reps ,,never medium nothing ,,HEAVY ASS WEIGHT DONE WITH DECENT FORM
gh15 approved
How is a weight you can get 10 reps with 'heavy ass?' ???
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Say if one goes from pressing 100 pounds for 20 reps or so, to pressing 200 pounds for 20 reps or so, then he is gonna have bigger muscles, and I guaren-goddamn-tee it. Reps don't really matter so much, as long as one increases their training loads, and this is the fvcking key! PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD baby ;)
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Say if one goes from pressing 100 pounds for 20 reps or so, to pressing 200 pounds for 20 reps or so, then he is gonna have bigger muscles, and I guaren-goddamn-tee it. Reps don't really matter so much, as long as one increases their training loads, and this is the fvcking key! PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD baby ;)
This is true although with high reps cardiovascular exhaustion may occur before muscular exhaustion.
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How is a weight you can get 10 reps with 'heavy ass?' ???
Give the guy a break, it probably took him 30 min just to type that
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Why not use the best of both worlds. I always start off with a heavy set for like 4/5/6 reps then i do one more set of 13 reps. im talking about 2 working sets per exerize here. i believe in mentzer's hit-training. even when im low on cals dieting, im still getting stronger this way, otherwise it gets boring. i just worked up to 100 kg for incline presses, for 3 reps, nothing fancy about that, but for me its a accomplishment, never see guys use that amount of weight with my low bodyweight of 83 kg, you could say im pound for pound one of the strongest in the gym. guys should focus on strength even when dieting imo, you aint gonna get any new muscle so why bother going to failure, instead of that get stronger!
Agreed. I work up to three sets of five, then drop the weight down a bit and do one or two sets of ten.
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Are you juicing ,Worm?
No sir .. Never touched a drug,ever.. I'm no loser..
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Best for mass? PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD. End of discussion.
Yep. Everything after this is irrelevant.
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very simple don't make it hard. lift heavy=getting bigger Lift a weight you can do barely 6 reps. Once it gets easier raise the wieght.
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Absolufuckingly...
This physique was restored with light-heavy:
Big as a big... rock. But your butt is wider then your shoulder.
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Err...........I try not to make it too complicated. Everything is between 8-12 reps for me. If I can easily get close to 10-12 reps on my own, I just increase the weight until I struggle on the 9th or 10th one.
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very simple don't make it hard. lift heavy=getting bigger Lift a weight you can do barely 6 reps. Once it gets easier raise the wieght.
spot on, except for calves and forearm muscles they need a lot of reps and burn.
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spot on, except for calves and forearm muscles they need a lot of reps and burn.
Why? Are there any peer reviewed journals that state that high reps stimulate better growth for forearms and calves as opposed to low reps? Please link me.
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According to my experience, 9.3472 reps is the best for brutal size!
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According to my experience, 9.3472 reps is the best for brutal size!
Setting the incline at a 43.748385 angle works best for me. Plus, the eccentric part of the lift is 5.3748493930 seconds.