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Title: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 10, 2010, 02:59:39 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-06-08-immigration_N.htm
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 10, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-06-08-immigration_N.htm

No Toxie... they got it WRONG!!!

The actual headline is "HISPANICS" not "illegals".

The law clearly targets hispanics, and hispanics have chosen to leave a state that essentially targets them.
Only on the premise that the law was racially motivated by white supremacists, can one say 'they got it right'

I doubt you would understand unless and until the islamophobia got so heated that your family decided to pack up and leave the USA for some other country that won't target them, harrass them, or assume they are criminal terrorists simply because of their ethnicity.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: tonymctones on June 10, 2010, 04:40:35 PM
No Toxie... they got it WRONG!!!

The actual headline is "HISPANICS" not "illegals".

The law clearly targets hispanics, and hispanics have chosen to leave a state that essentially targets them.
Only on the premise that the law was racially motivated by white supremacists, can one say 'they got it right'

I doubt you would understand unless and until the islamophobia got so heated that your family decided to pack up and leave the USA for some other country that won't target them, harrass them, or assume they are criminal terrorists simply because of their ethnicity.
explain how this targets hispanics please...
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: drkaje on June 10, 2010, 04:58:34 PM
Other than USA today no one will ever notice or care, LOL! Even better, Arizona can probably save tons of money on crap like social services and creating bilingual signs, paperwork and everything else to help people who refuse to speak American.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: Fury on June 10, 2010, 05:03:07 PM
They should offer free busing to Los Angeles. :)
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: drkaje on June 10, 2010, 05:24:09 PM
They should offer free busing to Los Angeles. :)

I was thinking Mexico..... to balance out some of the illegals always sneaking in. :)
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: Dos Equis on June 10, 2010, 05:29:22 PM
Juan Carlos Cruz, an illegal immigrant who has worked in plant nurseries for 20 years, huddled with dozens of relatives over the Memorial Day Weekend in the backyard of his brother's Phoenix-area home to plot out the family's next move to avoid what they say will be harassment by police. Virginia and California are the front-runners.

"If I were alone, I'd try to stay. But I have a family, and I have to find a place where we can live with more freedom," said Cruz, who hopes to move July 4 to blend in with holiday weekend traffic. "This is getting too hard."


What the heck kind of right does an illegal immigrant have to "live with more freedom"?  What kind of whacky weed is that guy smoking? 
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: Skip8282 on June 10, 2010, 05:51:59 PM
From the article:  "About 100,000 illegal immigrants left Arizona after the state passed a law in 2007 that enhanced penalties on businesses that hired them, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Some early signs suggest another exodus. "


haha
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 10, 2010, 07:30:37 PM
From the article:  "About 100,000 illegal immigrants left Arizona after the state passed a law in 2007 that enhanced penalties on businesses that hired them, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Some early signs suggest another exodus. "


haha

And that's EXACTLY how you handle the illegal immigration problem Skip, by targetting those who employ them.

I just think it is wrong, shameful, and disgraceful that legal Americans feel the need to leave a state because of the inevitable persecution they will feel simply because of their ethnicity.  :'(
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on June 10, 2010, 07:32:17 PM
"If I were alone, I'd try to stay. But I have a family, and I have to find a place where we can live with more freedom," said Cruz, who hopes to move July 4 to blend in with holiday weekend traffic. "This is getting too hard."

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H

WTF?  ;D
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: drkaje on June 10, 2010, 07:38:46 PM
And that's EXACTLY how you handle the illegal immigration problem Skip, by targetting those who employ them.

I just think it is wrong, shameful, and disgraceful that legal Americans feel the need to leave a state because of the inevitable persecution they will feel simply because of their ethnicity.  :'(

Puhlese!

Let them all move to Canada and then smuggle relatives in.

Give it a few years and see how liberal you're feeling. :)
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: tonymctones on June 10, 2010, 07:40:38 PM
And that's EXACTLY how you handle the illegal immigration problem Skip, by targetting those who employ them.

I just think it is wrong, shameful, and disgraceful that legal Americans feel the need to leave a state because of the inevitable persecution they will feel simply because of their ethnicity.  :'(
LMAO again I can show you a number of problems that targeting employers wont get rid of...but of course you turn a blind eye to them.  ::)

explain how this targets hispanics please...
Still waiting jagson
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: Fury on June 10, 2010, 08:04:30 PM
I was thinking Mexico..... to balance out some of the illegals always sneaking in. :)

Even better. I was suggesting LA to spite all the assholes looking to boycott Arizona there.

Puhlese!

Let them all move to Canada and then smuggle relatives in.

Give it a few years and see how liberal you're feeling. :)

I already suggested that to Jag. She wanted nothing to do with housing illegals in her own home or town.  ;)
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 10, 2010, 09:33:31 PM
Even better. I was suggesting LA to spite all the assholes looking to boycott Arizona there.

I already suggested that to Jag. She wanted nothing to do with housing illegals in her own home or town.  ;)

Dude, I have a 6 bedroom home, not even including the basement with room for 3 apartments,
and I won't even house legal people in my own home. If I'm unwilling to rent these spaces out to legal residents for an extra $5K - $6K a month, why would I want to house illegals?
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: drkaje on June 11, 2010, 04:32:28 AM
Dude, I have a 6 bedroom home, not even including the basement with room for 3 apartments,
and I won't even house legal people in my own home. If I'm unwilling to rent these spaces out to legal residents for an extra $5K - $6K a month, why would I want to house illegals?

Where are those spirits of diversity and compassion you're always accusing Americans of not having? :)

Of course millions of illegals are a great idea here they weaken the American economy and dollar. What a perfect way to create parity between the dollar/loony without having to significantly grow the Canadian economy.

Illegals suck and need to go before it's too late. I'd be fine with giving them free tickets to Canada and a stipend.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: loco on June 11, 2010, 05:50:43 AM
From the article:  "About 100,000 illegal immigrants left Arizona after the state passed a law in 2007 that enhanced penalties on businesses that hired them, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Some early signs suggest another exodus. "


haha

If that's true, then great!  But I wonder how they know this.  How do they come up with the number of illegals in the country, how many come in, how many leave?  I thought nobody knew who the illegals are for sure.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 11, 2010, 05:57:54 AM
Where are those spirits of diversity and compassion you're always accusing Americans of not having? :)

NIMBY  :)   ...'besides, ...I like my privacy. It's the only reason I don't have a live-in maid.

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Of course millions of illegals are a great idea here they weaken the American economy and dollar. What a perfect way to create parity between the dollar/loony without having to significantly grow the Canadian economy.

Considering Canada's largest trading partner is in the grips of a severe de recession, growing the Canadian economy right now is a bit of a challenge. Dju suppose that's why they're allowing these things to happen?  ;)

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Illegals suck and need to go before it's too late. I'd be fine with giving them free tickets to Canada and a stipend.

As unpleasant as the prospect of illegals may seem, make no mistake, your economy NEEDS illegals.
If you had any idea how much your costs would soar without them, ...you wouldn't be so quick to disparage them.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 11, 2010, 06:10:55 AM
I think if I ever relocate, it will be to Arizona... 
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: MRDUMPLING on June 11, 2010, 06:29:29 AM
Jag is clearly getting owned in this thread by her sheer ignorance.  I'm enjoying watching you guys just rip her a new one with just some common sense!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA ;D
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 11, 2010, 06:33:22 AM
Jag is clearly getting owned in this thread by her sheer ignorance.  I'm enjoying watching you guys just rip her a new one with just some common sense!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA ;D

I'm laughing at how she started out YELLING it was targeting hispanics, yet when someone quoted the article and it was clearly about illegals, rather than apologize she just shift gears into another argument......hahaha
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: loco on June 11, 2010, 06:35:35 AM
I think if I ever relocate, it will be to Arizona... 

Why?
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 06:36:30 AM
I would like to have 3 or 4 illegals living at my house. 

A couple of 22-year old russian brides/models would be cool
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 11, 2010, 07:02:51 AM
I would like to have 3 or 4 illegals living at my house. 

A couple of 22-year old russian brides/models would be cool

Is this the type of Russian model (http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/archive/2009/12/07/vladmir_ivanov_-_male_model_monday.php) you were thinking? I think your wife might object.  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 11, 2010, 07:14:36 AM
I'm laughing at how she started out YELLING it was targeting hispanics, yet when someone quoted the article and it was clearly about illegals, rather than apologize she just shift gears into another argument......hahaha

Did you actually READ the article Showstoppa? because I did.

Not only did Toxie change the title from "Hispanics flee...", but the article was about hispanics in general.
It did touch upon illegals briefly... having mentioned how effective laws targetting employers had been very effective in the past in tackling the issue of illegals, however, the thrust of the article was about 'hispanics leaving the state'



Arizona's tough new immigration enforcement law is fueling an exodus of Hispanics from the state seven weeks before it goes into effect, according to officials and residents in the state.

Though no one has precise figures, reports from school officials, businesses and individuals indicate worried Hispanics — both legal and illegal — are leaving the state in anticipation of the law, which will go into effect July 29.

Schools in Hispanic areas report unusual drops in enrollment. The Balsz Elementary School District is 75% Hispanic, and within a month of the law's passage, the parents of 70 students pulled them out of school, said District Superintendent Jeffrey Smith. The district lost seven students over the same one-month period last year, and parents tell Smith the Arizona law is the reason for leaving.

TRENDS: Ariz. Latinos register as Democrats
CENSUS: Ariz. immigration law makes count tougher
POLL: More Americans want tight immigration laws
IN CALIFORNIA: Boycotts over Ariz. immigration law

"They're leaving to another state where they feel more welcome," he said.

The measure, signed into law April 23 by Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, requires a police officer to determine a person's immigration status if they are stopped, detained or arrested and there is "reasonable suspicion" they are in the country illegally.

About 100,000 illegal immigrants left Arizona after the state passed a law in 2007 that enhanced penalties on businesses that hired them, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Some early signs suggest another exodus.




It would be nice if people actually read an article, and actually understand exactly what the article states, rather than what they want it to state. I won't fault you too harshly since afterall, ...I understand you are the product of a US education.  :)
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: tonymctones on June 11, 2010, 10:15:22 AM
explain how this targets hispanics please...
STILL WAITING JAGSON!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW DOES THIS LAW TARGET HISPANICS?
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: Fury on June 11, 2010, 10:23:55 AM
Hahaha, she just highlighted that Hispanics are leaving on their own and is trying to claim that is proof for how this law targets hispanics. Great debate skills there.  ::)
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: dario73 on June 11, 2010, 11:59:22 AM
AZ accomplished its goal:

"If that means that fewer people are breaking the law, that is absolutely an accomplishment"

If the federal government doesn't enforce the current immigration laws, then I hope other states adopt the same measure.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: SAMSON123 on June 11, 2010, 12:02:48 PM
AZ accomplished its goal:

"If that means that fewer people are breaking the law, that is absolutely an accomplishment"

If the federal government doesn't enforce the current immigration laws, then I hope other states adopt the same measure.

Two statements

If deportation is the key to a decrease in crime, why then are the Wall Streeters and Bankers not deported?

If ALL the Mexicans are deported what effect do you think it will have on america
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: dario73 on June 11, 2010, 12:13:55 PM
Two statements

If deportation is the key to a decrease in crime, why then are the Wall Streeters and Bankers not deported?

If ALL the Mexicans are deported what effect do you think it will have on america

Those weren't statements, they were questions. Try again.

Now, if you don't see the difference between a LEGAL CITIZEN wall streeter and an ILLEGAL immigrant and how they are viewed by the law of this country, then you need to leave this thread and move on.

Hint: Does an illegal immigrant have the same rights under US law as a legal citizen? 

I don't think you would be making such stupid questions if Canada was being overrun by illegal immigrants, Jag.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: SAMSON123 on June 11, 2010, 04:23:04 PM
Those weren't statements, they were questions. Try again.

Now, if you don't see the difference between a LEGAL CITIZEN wall streeter and an ILLEGAL immigrant and how they are viewed by the law of this country, then you need to leave this thread and move on.

Hint: Does an illegal immigrant have the same rights under US law as a legal citizen? 

I don't think you would be making such stupid questions if Canada was being overrun by illegal immigrants, Jag.

Being that those are questions and were always intended to be questions...can you provide a answer?


Human rights are GOD GIVEN and travel any and everywhere a person goes. Your so called US LAW violates your GOD GIVEN RIGHTS at every turn...Isn't this what most of the discussions on this board are about?

YOU as a caucasian please present your paperwork showing you and your own to be LEGAL CITIZENS of america. As history shows you arrived in america ILLEGALLY, were treated well, clothed, fed, medically treated, educated in science, agriculture, medicine, food, cooking, house/home building etc etc by the Original People (and never paid them for these services) and after having a couple of ANCHOR BABIES decided to make america your home...though UNWELCOMED. Show me your passports, greencards, VISAS, Social Security Cards, Birth Certificates, Tax Returns, etc etc that the Original Peoples had you fill out. Show me where you purchased any land from the Original People even though they never sold you any and said ALL LAND BELONGS TO GOD and can not be sold or partitioned. Show me where the Original People gave you the RIGHTS to steal their mineral wealth from GOLD, to SILVER, to COPPER to IRON, Water, OIL etc etc.... When you produce ALL OF THESE THINGS then and only then will you be able to say whether someone else who arrived in america in the same manner as yourselves, can or can not make america their home.... especially since Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Utah, Colorado was their home to begin with....

Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 11, 2010, 04:27:46 PM
No Toxie... they got it WRONG!!!

The actual headline is "HISPANICS" not "illegals".

The law clearly targets hispanics, and hispanics have chosen to leave a state that essentially targets them.
Only on the premise that the law was racially motivated by white supremacists, can one say 'they got it right'

I doubt you would understand unless and until the islamophobia got so heated that your family decided to pack up and leave the USA for some other country that won't target them, harrass them, or assume they are criminal terrorists simply because of their ethnicity.

if they r not illegal they have nothing to fear.....
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 11, 2010, 04:30:58 PM
Did you actually READ the article Showstoppa? because I did.

Not only did Toxie change the title from "Hispanics flee...",

so i figure the vast majority of people fleeing r legals  ::)
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: tonymctones on June 11, 2010, 06:19:08 PM
STILL WAITING JAGSON!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW DOES THIS LAW TARGET HISPANICS?

STILL WAITING!!!!
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: drkaje on June 11, 2010, 07:36:17 PM
STILL WAITING!!!!

Have a little patience.

There's probably a really good cut and paste or youtube clip coming. :)
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: tonymctones on June 11, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Have a little patience.

There's probably a really good cut and paste or youtube clip coming. :)
hahahah ala True Adonis no doubt  ;D
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: drkaje on June 11, 2010, 07:50:22 PM
hahahah ala True Adonis no doubt  ;D

It'll be life altering.... you just wait.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 09:28:53 PM
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Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 12, 2010, 01:42:50 AM
if they r not illegal they have nothing to fear.....

(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/rotflmao.gif)

WTF?!!! Coming from a muslim living in America??? You gotta truly appreciate the irony of that!
Your only saving grace is that your family is rich. Cause without money, you'd be just as fvked as the rest of them.

ps: I know you're an atheist, but that won't help you against the paranoid xenophobic bigots.
they still see you as a "forner"
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 12, 2010, 01:44:53 AM
STILL WAITING!!!!
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/angel2.gif)
maybe you could hold your breathe?
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: drkaje on June 12, 2010, 04:17:17 AM
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/rotflmao.gif)

WTF?!!! Coming from a muslim living in America??? You gotta truly appreciate the irony of that!
Your only saving grace is that your family is rich. Cause without money, you'd be just as fvked as the rest of them.

ps: I know you're an atheist, but that won't help you against the paranoid xenophobic bigots.
they still see you as a "forner"

His parents immigrated legally.

His disagreeing with you is no reason for racism.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 12, 2010, 06:09:27 AM
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/rotflmao.gif)

WTF?!!! Coming from a muslim living in America??? You gotta truly appreciate the irony of that!
Your only saving grace is that your family is rich. Cause without money, you'd be just as fvked as the rest of them.

ps: I know you're an atheist, but that won't help you against the paranoid xenophobic bigots.
they still see you as a "forner"
my saving grace is that my family is educated and r not criminals  ;)
and i really wish people would stop telling me that my richness is my saving grace...my dad made his money in THE THIRD WORLD....if you cant do the same IN THE FIRST WORLD....well..not really my fault that u r a dumbass  :-\

and no...judi..i dont feel like a foreigner or singled out in America...please dont extend that kinda 'black people' phobia to me.....

its frankly insulting


* this thread is a stark example...there is jake...normal confident dood..and then u...insisting that i side with criminals cause my parents r muslims ::)

Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: tonymctones on June 12, 2010, 08:27:42 AM
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/angel2.gif)
maybe you could hold your breathe?
maybe you could research the law and it would stop you from making ignorant statements that cause you to have to side step and run away from questions?  ;)

I take it you were wrong when you stated that this piece of legislation will target hispanics?
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 13, 2010, 02:35:21 AM
my saving grace is that my family is educated and r not criminals  ;)

Being educated & law abiding means nothing to ignorant reactionary bigots who wouldn'y know their asses from a hole in the ground. And whether you want to admit it or not, wealth gives you options tp pack up and go to anywhere in the world if and when the poop hits the fan stateside.

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and i really wish people would stop telling me that my richness is my saving grace...my dad made his money in THE THIRD WORLD....if you cant do the same IN THE FIRST WORLD....well..not really my fault that u r a dumbass  :-\

What money are you talking about Toxie? The same money that afforded your family the ability to pick up and leave Pakistan when they envisioned a better future in America? A lot of people in Pakistan envision a better future elsewhere, they just don't have the financial werewithal to transform that vision into a reality. And don't give me that 'THIRD WORLD CRAP' I'm no ignorant American with a frozen vision of any country other than my own. This is Judi you're talking to. I know about the realities of Indians and Pakistanis. Al-Waleed bin Talal is also from a "third world country"

btw: I never said YOU were rich, just that your family is. Clearly you have yet to learn the difference.  :-\

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and no...judi..i dont feel like a foreigner or singled out in America...please dont extend that kinda 'black people' phobia to me.....

its frankly insulting

I never said you feel like a foreigner. And I'm not talking about 'black people phobia' whateverthefuck that is.

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* this thread is a stark example...there is jake...normal confident dood..and then u...insisting that i side with criminals cause my parents r muslims ::)


I'm not at all suggesting you should side with criminals because your parents are Muslims. I'm suggesting that you not let your anger toward illegal aliens blind you to reality. I'm telling you to wake up and smell the coffee. Just because someone isn't doing anything wrong DOES NOT mean they have nothing to fear. I swear sometimes your country is like Barney Fife with a loaded gun, ...liable to shoot themselves in the foot. They'd be better off putting the gun to their heads and playing Russian roulette. At least this way, ...if the bullet did come up in the chamber, they'd do less damage than if they were to shoot themselves in the foot.  >:(
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: 24KT on June 13, 2010, 02:40:31 AM
His parents immigrated legally.

His disagreeing with you is no reason for racism.

Alot of people immigrated legally. Surely you're not suggesting that I am racist against Pakistani's?
C'mon Jake, you know better than I exactly what I'm getting at. Don't play dumb. It doesn't become you.
Title: Re: Illegals flee AZ....guess they got it RIGHT!!!
Post by: drkaje on June 13, 2010, 04:37:16 AM
Alot of people immigrated legally. Surely you're not suggesting that I am racist against Pakistani's?
C'mon Jake, you know better than I exactly what I'm getting at. Don't play dumb. It doesn't become you.

Your comment was lazy.

Canada should take them!