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AP NewsAlert
Jun 22 01:43 PM US/Eastern
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NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Judge blocks offshore drilling moratorium imposed by Obama administration after Gulf spill.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9GGFCCO3&show_article=1
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Great news.
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Judge block Gulf offshore drilling moratorium
Jun 22 01:54 PM US/Eastern
By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN
Associated Press Writer
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NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A federal judge in New Orleans has blocked a six-month moratorium on new deepwater drilling projects that was imposed in response to the massive Gulf oil spill.
Several companies that ferry people and supplies and provide other services to offshore drilling rigs had asked U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman in New Orleans to overturn the moratorium.
President Barack Obama's administration has halted the approval of any new permits for deepwater drilling and suspended drilling at 33 exploratory wells in the Gulf.
Feldman says in his ruling that the Interior Department failed to provide adequate reasoning for the moratorium. He says it seems to assume that because one rig failed, all companies and rigs doing deepwater drilling pose an imminent danger.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
NEW ORLEANS (AP)—A federal judge in New Orleans has blocked a six-month moratorium on new deepwater drilling projects that was imposed in response to the massive Gulf oil spill.
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this should get interesting real fast....POPCORN!!!!
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this should get interesting real fast....POPCORN!!!!
I'm glad to see this entire admn collapsing on all fronts.
When Obama resigns I will throw a massive block party and invite most on this board to attend.
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This is great news.Did you hear the judge yesterday?One of his questions to the Obama regime was "when there is a spill from a ship,has the government ever shut down shipping before"?Great stuff.Next they will be defeated in AZ.
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Judge block Gulf offshore drilling moratorium
Jun 22 01:54 PM US/Eastern
By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN
Associated Press Writer
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Feldman says in his ruling that the Interior Department failed to provide adequate reasoning for the moratorium. He says it seems to assume that because one rig failed, all companies and rigs doing deepwater drilling pose an imminent danger.
Hahaha. Obama shill "240 is Back" made that very claim yesterday.
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I am seriously enjoying the utter collapse of this admn and EVERYTHING it goes near.
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Did you see the existing housing sales this month?"Unexpectedly down".However,there is a huge recovery going on thanks to the great programs like the stimulus.
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This Federal Judge just saved and created more Jobs than Obama has.
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This Federal Judge just saved and created more Jobs than Obama has.
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when that oil washes up on your beaches, see if you're celebrating.
the BP fellatio is only happening because it's on a dem watch. If obama was defending BP and not stopping a thing, you'd be screaming about the need to police them and prevent further disasters. Much the same way everyone on getbig was silent on the AZ immigration bill until you heard if Repubs liked it or not...
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It takes 5 minutes for Obama to draft an executive order which completely nullifies anything a judge says.
He can suspend the constitution and everything else 'if he sees fit' and you think a judge is gonna stop it? Sorry.
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when that oil washes up on your beaches, see if you're celebrating.
the BP fellatio is only happening because it's on a dem watch. If obama was defending BP and not stopping a thing, you'd be screaming about the need to police them and prevent further disasters. Much the same way everyone on getbig was silent on the AZ immigration bill until you heard if Repubs liked it or not...
Cry me a river. This is not about BP, its about the tens of thousands of people Obama is intentionally putting into the street and onto the Federal Govt dole.
I already posted a thread that Gorelick bitch slapped obama into agreeing that BP should not pay workers displaced by this moritorium.
Good for the Judge.
Horrible news for Obama is great news for everyone else.
I hope this pofs fails miserably at everything from here on out.
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They chose to work in a highly profitable industry which should have been converted to wind, solar, or other cleaner safer energy about 30 years ago.
Mankind's been too busy working on handheld devices that let us text message our mistresses and pills that keep our penii hard for hours to worry about things like digging a hole in the planet that nobody on earth can stop.
At some point in history, a lot of oil workers are going to have to find another industry to work in - do you agree 333386?
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They chose to work in a highly profitable industry which should have been converted to wind, solar, or other cleaner safer energy about 30 years ago.
Mankind's been too busy working on handheld devices that let us text message our mistresses and pills that keep our penii hard for hours to worry about things like digging a hole in the planet that nobody on earth can stop.
At some point in history, a lot of oil workers are going to have to find another industry to work in - do you agree 333386?
No. You are acting like a bigger baby on this than the AZ law fiasco, which Obama will get his ass handed to him on as well.
There is no such thing as wind and solar energy powering a car, cargo ship, plane, train, or building. Stop buying into these bogus pipe dreams.
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No. You are acting like a bigger baby on this than the AZ law fiasco, which Obama will get his ass handed to him on as well.
There is no such thing as wind and solar energy powering a car, cargo ship, plane, train, or building. Stop buying into these bogus pipe dreams.
Wait - you are side-stepping the question.
At some point, because of better technology, a disaster, or political influence, oil will end as the primary source in the USA - Agree or Disagree?
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Wait - you are side-stepping the question.
At some point, because of better technology, a disaster, or political influence, oil will end as the primary source in the USA - Agree or Disagree?
I have no idea since there is no alternative to oil on the horizon now, or any time soon.
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Bad decision. If we can't stop an oil well from leaking for months, why keep drilling? Oil is not only destroying the gulf coast shores, it's use creates greenhouse gasses proven to pollute and destroy the atmosphere.
Viable alternatives are out there and should be invested and explored. Instead of spending money on a finite resource.
BTW 333 wind is highly viable and nuclear is too. Both offer much better long term solutions to our energy needs. Certainly much more so than oil ever could.
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Wait - you are side-stepping the question.
At some point, because of better technology, a disaster, or political influence, oil will end as the primary source in the USA - Agree or Disagree?
I disagree.The inept libs have been talking about this since the 70s.THEY HAVENT COME CLOSE TO DOING IT!!!!Not close.
As far as us bitching because this is a dem in control your a fool and you just proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.We support the private sector at all costs.We support big buisiness at all costs.We want the government to get the fuck out of our lives and buisiness.Many of us have thought like that since day one.Many of us DESPISE the government and LOVE the private sector.
Its you that support Obama over anything.Its you that still argue his utter absolute failure of a stimulus has created jobs.Your the shill,your the Obama butt boy,its you who has his mind clouded with Palin to even see the destruction this little incompetant community organiser is doing.
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Bad decision. If we can't stop an oil well from leaking for months, why keep drilling? Oil is not only destroying the gulf coast shores, it's use creates greenhouse gasses proven to pollute and destroy the atmosphere.
Viable alternatives are out there and should be invested and explored. Instead of spending money on a finite resource.
BTW 333 wind is highly viable and nuclear is too. Both offer much better long term solutions to our energy needs. Certainly much more so than oil ever could.
Wind is unreliable and needs to be backed up by either nuclear or coal fired plants. We are not building any new nuclear power plants to my knoweldge to make any real difference.
You cant power trains, ships, planes, cities, etc on wond. That's a pipe dream.
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Checks and balances.
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the point is that at SOME POINT in US history, we will leave oil.
Something will happen. Someone will design a better fuel. Solar or wind or water will become efficient enough. Nanotech will finally be ready. Just because a lawyer and powerlifter and web designer on a message board in 2010 can't imagine a world without oil - it will one day be a reality, whether we like it or not.
What will lead to this change? maybe it'll be better technology from the major energy companies. maybe it'll be some major accident like a gusher leaking for 2 or 3 years straight and destroying a big chunk of the ocean and atmosphere. Maybe it'll be some kid in his bedroom with a chemistry set or some mechanic in his garage.
it'll happen eventually. And those workers will eventually find new jobs. I'm sure there were lots of shoe repairmen and horse buggy repairmen and other fine americans whose jobs were obsolenced by better technology. I'm sure there were slave ship captains and slave auctioneers who lost their jobs in 1865 due to political changes.
I don't understand the pity for workers who chose to work for the by-far most careless comapny in the world, digging a hle a mile in the earth that nobody can stop. The ocean may die, we all may die from this shit - and you're upset we're stopping the deep oil digging. You can't tell us when this hole will stop - but you sure know you want more holes dug. What kinda shit is that?
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the point is that at SOME POINT in US history, we will leave oil.
Something will happen. Someone will design a better fuel. Solar or wind or water will become efficient enough. Nanotech will finally be ready. Just because a lawyer and powerlifter and web designer on a message board in 2010 can't imagine a world without oil - it will one day be a reality, whether we like it or not.
What will lead to this change? maybe it'll be better technology from the major energy companies. maybe it'll be some major accident like a gusher leaking for 2 or 3 years straight and destroying a big chunk of the ocean and atmosphere. Maybe it'll be some kid in his bedroom with a chemistry set or some mechanic in his garage.
it'll happen eventually. And those workers will eventually find new jobs. I'm sure there were lots of shoe repairmen and horse buggy repairmen and other fine americans whose jobs were obsolenced by better technology. I'm sure there were slave ship captains and slave auctioneers who lost their jobs in 1865 due to political changes.
I don't understand the pity for workers who chose to work for the by-far most careless comapny in the world, digging a hle a mile in the earth that nobody can stop. The ocean may die, we all may die from this shit - and you're upset we're stopping the deep oil digging. You can't tell us when this hole will stop - but you sure know you want more holes dug. What kinda shit is that?
Its not just the BP workers that were getting idled 240.
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Bad decision. If we can't stop an oil well from leaking for months, why keep drilling? Oil is not only destroying the gulf coast shores, it's use creates greenhouse gasses proven to pollute and destroy the atmosphere.
Viable alternatives are out there and should be invested and explored. Instead of spending money on a finite resource.
BTW 333 wind is highly viable and nuclear is too. Both offer much better long term solutions to our energy needs. Certainly much more so than oil ever could.
We have combustable engines.Its what runs the entire nation,PERIOD!!!!!Electric cars go for 100 miles then you need to recharge for 5 hours.Great.Electric cars wont generate enough power to move.In case your not aware,trucks transport EVERYTHING we eat,we buy,we need.wITHOUT OIL THEY DONT RUN,THE COUNTRY SHUTS DOWN.
To 240,so when they develope that THEN they can lose their jobs.They shouldnt lose their jobs because an idiot community organiser has his tongue up enviro kooks asses.
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when that oil washes up on your beaches, see if you're celebrating.
the BP fellatio is only happening because it's on a dem watch. If obama was defending BP and not stopping a thing, you'd be screaming about the need to police them and prevent further disasters. Much the same way everyone on getbig was silent on the AZ immigration bill until you heard if Repubs liked it or not...
Thats alls im sayin...3333 would disagree with obama if he said the sky was blue...just because it was obama that said...
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I like how people conveniently ignore the fact that countries like China have continued drilling in the Gulf unhindered since this accident. Why should we be any different?
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the point is that at SOME POINT in US history, we will leave oil.
Something will happen. Someone will design a better fuel. Solar or wind or water will become efficient enough. Nanotech will finally be ready. Just because a lawyer and powerlifter and web designer on a message board in 2010 can't imagine a world without oil - it will one day be a reality, whether we like it or not.
What will lead to this change? maybe it'll be better technology from the major energy companies. maybe it'll be some major accident like a gusher leaking for 2 or 3 years straight and destroying a big chunk of the ocean and atmosphere. Maybe it'll be some kid in his bedroom with a chemistry set or some mechanic in his garage.
it'll happen eventually. And those workers will eventually find new jobs. I'm sure there were lots of shoe repairmen and horse buggy repairmen and other fine americans whose jobs were obsolenced by better technology. I'm sure there were slave ship captains and slave auctioneers who lost their jobs in 1865 due to political changes.
I don't understand the pity for workers who chose to work for the by-far most careless comapny in the world, digging a hle a mile in the earth that nobody can stop. The ocean may die, we all may die from this shit - and you're upset we're stopping the deep oil digging. You can't tell us when this hole will stop - but you sure know you want more holes dug. What kinda shit is that?
So,because BP was stupid,we should punnish ALL companies in the gulf.Great logic.
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Thats alls im sayin...3333 would disagree with obama if he said the sky was blue...just because it was obama that said...
Oh please Mal, give it up. When this asshole you supported does something half way decent i will appluad it, but so far he is a disaster.
He truly is far worse than even I imagined. Every day is a disgraceful new episode from this community agitator.
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Wind is unreliable and needs to be backed up by either nuclear or coal fired plants. We are not building any new nuclear power plants to my knoweldge to make any real difference.
You cant power trains, ships, planes, cities, etc on wond. That's a pipe dream.
may want to research that one 333 wind can be more than viable
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may want to research that one 333 wind can be more than viable
It's worth destroying millions of acres of land with grotesque windmills to scrape together the required power for a city. ::)
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It's worth destroying millions of acres of land with grotesque windmills to scrape together the required power for a city. ::)
And incredibly EVERYTIME wind is proposed its LIBS who shoot it down.From Kennedy to Feinstein.They love wind just not in THEIR hood.
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Hey Big mal - can you give me a few things you think I should applaud Obama about?
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I'm saying we just had a huge wakeup call that the sort of technology BP is using is OUT OF CONTROL. We simply cannot control it when it bursts.
UNTIL we have the technology to do so, I don't know how any rational human being is defending it. They're digging a hole (amidst hundreds of safety violations) that spits out oil at such a pressure, no machine on earth can stop it. All we can do it try to put another hole in the ground, or wait for it to run out.
We don't know how much oil is coming out of there. If it runs for 100 years, the earth dies, nobody here can deny that. If it runs until today and stops, millions of fish die, but that's it.
The sad reality is that it will run some amount of days in the middle, and nobody on the planet can say how many days that'll be. To argue "yes, we should be unsafely dabbling with many more holes of oil we can't control" is lunacy.
let's talk in a month or a year, if that shit is still leaking. When milllions of people from the gulf states (including the illegals!) are moving to your neck of the woods fellahs. When your tax dolalrs are all sent to the south to help deal with the mess. When it starts to affect you, then you'll give a shit. until then, it's just a little corporate accident, and obama sucks, right guys? ;)
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We have combustable engines.Its what runs the entire nation,PERIOD!!!!!Electric cars go for 100 miles then you need to recharge for 5 hours.Great.Electric cars wont generate enough power to move.In case your not aware,trucks transport EVERYTHING we eat,we buy,we need.wITHOUT OIL THEY DONT RUN,THE COUNTRY SHUTS DOWN.
To 240,so when they develope that THEN they can lose their jobs.They shouldnt lose their jobs because an idiot community organiser has his tongue up enviro kooks asses.
We have combustible engines because there has never been an economic or environmental incentive to change. People have been happy to pay ever increasing oil prices, happy to continue to lessen our air quality and damage our atmosphere.
I'm not saying we need to make this change overnight, but the idea that we can keep drilling to fulfill our ever growing needs to outdated. We have either passed peak oil or are going to soon. Any president democrat or republican who doesn't look to change this dependence is doing this country a major disservice.
A large % of our oil comes from Canada and the oil sands. It's basically sucking oil out of sand, that's how low we've sunk in this quest. It's not profitable to suck oil out of sand, that's the equivalent of a drunk sucking spilled alcohol out of a gutter on a Saturday night.
Innovation and investment in alternative fuel sources and energy are what is needed.
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It's worth destroying millions of acres of land with grotesque windmills to scrape together the required power for a city. ::)
false, it doesn't destroy millions of acres of land. Plus there are major wind currents off shore, we have the technology to build platforms to drill miles below the surface, why not for wind farms offshore? There is more than enough power there. Not to mention Nuclear tech with a 4th generation reactor will have the potential to recycle it's waste products.
All it takes is investment.
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I'm saying we just had a huge wakeup call that the sort of technology BP is using is OUT OF CONTROL. We simply cannot control it when it bursts.
UNTIL we have the technology to do so, I don't know how any rational human being is defending it. They're digging a hole (amidst hundreds of safety violations) that spits out oil at such a pressure, no machine on earth can stop it. All we can do it try to put another hole in the ground, or wait for it to run out.
We don't know how much oil is coming out of there. If it runs for 100 years, the earth dies, nobody here can deny that. If it runs until today and stops, millions of fish die, but that's it.
The sad reality is that it will run some amount of days in the middle, and nobody on the planet can say how many days that'll be. To argue "yes, we should be unsafely dabbling with many more holes of oil we can't control" is lunacy.
let's talk in a month or a year, if that shit is still leaking. When milllions of people from the gulf states (including the illegals!) are moving to your neck of the woods fellahs. When your tax dolalrs are all sent to the south to help deal with the mess. When it starts to affect you, then you'll give a shit. until then, it's just a little corporate accident, and obama sucks, right guys? ;)
Because rigs are blowing up all over the gulf, right? ::)
I've got to say, it's kind of bittersweet that you're now crying about the oil on your shores. Where were you the first 50+ days of this? Oh, that's right, busy slumping for Obama's handling of this mess. LOL.
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Because rigs are blowing up all over the gulf, right? ::)
I've got to say, it's kind of bittersweet that you're now crying about the oil on your shores. Where were you the first 50+ days of this? Oh, that's right, busy slumping for Obama's handling of this mess. LOL.
So how do you feel about a company who cares as little about safety as BP being able to dig holes that mankind cannot put out?
Do you support it? yes or no?
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So how do you feel about a company who cares as little about safety as BP being able to dig holes that mankind cannot put out?
Do you support it? yes or no?
Why are other companies being punished for BP's fuck-up?
Unfortunately for you, I'm not buying into the newest CT fad of this well never being plugged. All the experts and scientists have said that the relief wells being dug will stop it. I'll reserve judgement until August when they're finished. Your scare tactics amount to little more than propaganda.
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Because rigs are blowing up all over the gulf, right? ::)
I've got to say, it's kind of bittersweet that you're now crying about the oil on your shores. Where were you the first 50+ days of this? Oh, that's right, busy slumping for Obama's handling of this mess. LOL.
um, 50 days ago, I didn't know it was possible for BP to dig a hole that could possibly kill 6 billion people. I don't think anyone here knew it was possible.
Now we have our leaders saying "Pray for a miracle".
i'd be fine with Obama saying "look, we all had our heads up our ass, but now we see it's a technology that's just too dangerous without the safety technology in place. BP, come back and drill once you can 100% prevent any of these holes from opening up again!"
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um, 50 days ago, I didn't know it was possible for BP to dig a hole that could possibly kill 6 billion people. I don't think anyone here knew it was possible.
Now we have our leaders saying "Pray for a miracle".
i'd be fine with Obama saying "look, we all had our heads up our ass, but now we see it's a technology that's just too dangerous without the safety technology in place. BP, come back and drill once you can 100% prevent any of these holes from opening up again!"
I hate to break it to you, but we're not the only country who drills in the gulf. And as far as I know, not a single country besides us has stopped drilling. Time to leave Candy Land and step back into reality.
Amazing how quickly your tune changed when the oil washed up on Florida shores. It's so fucking ironic that I can't help but laugh at your defending of Obama's handling of this crisis 2 months ago.
People need to shut the fuck up with the fear mongering until the relief wells are finished. It's getting ridiculous at this point.
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Why are other companies being punished for BP's fuck-up?
Unfortunately for you, I'm not buying into the newest CT fad of this well never being plugged. All the experts and scientists have said that the relief wells being dug will stop it. I'll reserve judgement until August when they're finished. Your scare tactics amount to little more than propaganda.
It's not CT stuff when many of the people saying it are the top science minds in the world, on mainstream news saying it.
it's not CT stuff when the first 6 or 8 solutions have all failed.
The relief wells is the 'latest theory' of what will work. Dude, I'm not fearmongering, I'm really worried. I see nothing wrong with suspending deep drilling for eery company - until each company can demonstrate they have the technology to stop such a leak. FOUR MONTHS to dig a relief well, if all is 100% by plan, is too long for most ppl.
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So how do you feel about a company who cares as little about safety as BP being able to dig holes that mankind cannot put out?
Do you support it? yes or no?
I feel that it reflects the failure of the boy wonder in waiving the epa requirements for BP for this very, who had over 700 safety violations, while the others had almost none at all, most likely because they were close to obama via podesta and their kneepadding crap & tax, the stim bill, etc.
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and yes, obama should kick the other countries out of the Gulf. Call it a matter of nat'l security, whatever. boot them.
I pray a relief well works. I'm sure it will. But if it doesn't, it could be the end of the planet. Seriously. We're dabbling with a science so damn dangerous that we just can't stop the leak and it might go 100 years (if the relief well doesn't work).
And keep in mind, the same ppl saying the relief well will work, were also the ones telling us top hat would work, junk shot would work, etc.... :(
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It's not CT stuff when many of the people saying it are the top science minds in the world, on mainstream news saying it.
it's not CT stuff when the first 6 or 8 solutions have all failed.
The relief wells is the 'latest theory' of what will work. Dude, I'm not fearmongering, I'm really worried. I see nothing wrong with suspending deep drilling for eery company - until each company can demonstrate they have the technology to stop such a leak. FOUR MONTHS to dig a relief well, if all is 100% by plan, is too long for most ppl.
Q for mothafuckin' T! I don't think a lot of people have been following exactly how this happened and how it was basically inevitable.
I doubt Obama is too broken up about the recension. It was a political move anyway and this allows him to move on to business as usual while also looking like the good guy.
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It's not CT stuff when many of the people saying it are the top science minds in the world, on mainstream news saying it.
it's not CT stuff when the first 6 or 8 solutions have all failed.
The relief wells is the 'latest theory' of what will work. Dude, I'm not fearmongering, I'm really worried. I see nothing wrong with suspending deep drilling for eery company - until each company can demonstrate they have the technology to stop such a leak. FOUR MONTHS to dig a relief well, if all is 100% by plan, is too long for most ppl.
Latest theory? Most experts from day one have said that was the only solution that would work and that nothing up until that point would do anything, which seems to be panning out. I like the spin job you're trying to pull here.
There are dozens upon dozens of experts that said the relief well will work. Now that some CT sites and a few dissenting opinions are claiming that it won't (for whatever reason), it's apparently the end of the world as the oil will now flow for 5,000,000,000 years! What a joke.
But you're worried now, are you? Where were you the first 50 fucking days? You were busy defending Obama's disastrous handling of the clean-up. Now you're worried because the oil showed up on your shores. I feel as sympathetic for that as you did for the people in Louisiana who had to deal with the oil on their shores a month ago.
I don't see the point in stopping drilling when other countries are doing it right now in the gulf. Are you going to hold a gun to China's head (or whatever country you pick) and demand they stop drilling in areas we have no control over? ::)
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Hey Big mal - can you give me a few things you think I should applaud Obama about?
Crickets. Dumb mal, I mean "big" mal can't come up with a single thing. Thread over.
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I mean, of course obama is using this crisis to push thru his own silly green agenda, I'm not arguing that. This might get cap/trade passed when it was doomed otherwise.
But politics aside - we're looking at a technology without an off switch. There's a reason God put that oil under a mile of water and a mile of rock - it doesn't belong on the surface.
Man doesn't have the technology to stop it. Now, I'm all for drilling in ANWR and alaska and everywhere else. I dont want it in my yard, but I don't give a shit about that. I think global warming/manmade like Palin suggested is a load of shit.
But I do think we're playing with fire here. If this is what it takes to PAUSE the practice until we get a vacuum that can get 100% of the oil, or until we have a better system for capping a broken well, so be it.
nothing wrong with drilling deep either - Once it is safe. it's just not safe yet, that's the bottom line. let BP put their brain cells toegether for a year in the lab, and come up with some solution for when these things do break. Waiting 4 months for a relief well? Shit, you'd better install a relief well before you take the first drop of oil. Hell, put in TWO of them!
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Obama said he supported it because he claimed it was safe. Was he lying 240?
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Obama said he supported it because he claimed it was safe. Was he lying 240?
maybe. probably!
i had no clue, 2 months ago, that we had oil that deep without an off switch. I thought 'unsafe' meant a big explosion - not a 4-month leak (at best!)
The more I read, the more baffled I am by it. Digging something you can't stop, for 120 days (at best). it's baffling.
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Whats funny is that if Obama is successfull in stopping the drilling,the oil companies will pack up their shit and go elsewhere and we will get raped on oil and gas prices.By then there will be a republican president and 240 will be on here bitching about gas prices and saying republicans suck.Its all pretty pathetic how libs are.Yhey just HATE the private sector and ESPECIALLY big oil,but all of them love cheap gas.
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Crickets. Dumb mal, I mean "big" mal can't come up with a single thing. Thread over.
Bro i just went to lunch...calm your punk ass down..
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Hey Big mal - can you give me a few things you think I should applaud Obama about?
Basically its like this. You can spin anything Obama has done as bad. Thats alls im saying. Healthcare which was deemed by the CBO to save money at the time was good. It opened up 37mil new patients to pull from and since my mother is in healthcare management, its good for her and her company.
I do like the fact that he stepped in with auto Industry. Many a people would be jobless had the fed not stepped in for GM..Can you imagine a world with out Corvette...
Those are the biggest.
I have my gripes too. I think the Stim should have been more about our countris infrastructure eg roads and bridges. I dont like dumb ass programs
I think an exe decision has to repeal dont ask dont tell
to name a couple... Just look at the world without your "i hate obama glasses" or the "i love obama glasses" and call a spade a spade. With out going out of the way to discredit something.
and again Dario..shut your bitch ass up.. real talk
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Bro i just went to lunch...calm your punk ass down..
Fine, digest your food and give me 10 things I as a tax paying citizen should applaud obama over.
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I do like the fact that he stepped in with auto Industry. Many a people would be jobless had the fed not stepped in for GM..Can you imagine a world with out Corvette...
Mitt Romney, now the 2012 frontrunner, also applauded Obama's "backbone" on the GM issue.
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Basically its like this. You can spin anything Obama has done as bad. Thats alls im saying. Healthcare which was deemed by the CBO to save money at the time was good. It opened up 37mil new patients to pull from and since my mother is in healthcare management, its good for her and her company.
I do like the fact that he stepped in with auto Industry. Many a people would be jobless had the fed not stepped in for GM..Can you imagine a world with out Corvette...
Those are the biggest.
I have my gripes too. I think the Stim should have been more about our countris infrastructure eg roads and bridges. I dont like dumb ass programs
I think an exe decision has to repeal dont ask dont tell
to name a couple... Just look at the world without your "i hate obama glasses" or the "i love obama glasses" and call a spade a spade. With out going out of the way to discredit something.
and again Dario..shut your bitch ass up.. real talk
So the answer is basically nothing other than the auto bailout since obamaCare is already proven to be based on fraudulent numbers and the CBO has already said that its original estimates were way off.
So bottom line, other than the auto bailout, you cant name one thing.
gotcha.
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Basically its like this. You can spin anything Obama has done as bad. Thats alls im saying. Healthcare which was deemed by the CBO to save money at the time was good. It opened up 37mil new patients to pull from and since my mother is in healthcare management, its good for her and her company.
Mal the CBO number as touted by the dems before the bill passed where wrong and manipulated numbers...
many ppl said so now and the last 2 revisions of the health care bill both show it costing money not saving money...thats without amnesty if it is passed...so b/c your mom is in the industry your for it? REALLY DUDE?
so ppl who have family member in the oil industry should say screw everyone else lets do what we want to do so our family members can make money...really dude?
Mal the health care bill is the biggest thing so far to be pissed off about
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So the answer is basically nothing other than the auto bailout since obamaCare is already proven to be based on fraudulent numbers and the CBO has already said that its original estimates were way off.
So bottom line, other than the auto bailout, you cant name one thing.
gotcha.
outside of the stim and auto healthcare...which i said i was for..guess you didnt read that..
out side of those things..what other major issues has he had to decide on? Iraq...i like it. Pakastan, i like it too..?
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Mal the CBO number as touted by the dems before the bill passed where wrong and manipulated numbers...
many ppl said so now and the last 2 revisions of the health care bill both show it costing money not saving money...thats without amnesty if it is passed...so b/c your mom is in the industry your for it? REALLY DUDE?
so ppl who have family member in the oil industry should say screw everyone else lets do what we want to do so our family members can make money...really dude?
Mal the health care bill is the biggest thing so far to be pissed off about
And Mal is in med school! Have fun being 150k in hock and working in the clinic bro.
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And Mal is in med school! Have fun being 150k in hock and working in the clinic bro.
Im sorry i dont suscribe to your "hyperbole the sky is falling" assessment of this administration or future...
Have you ever played football...im guessing no...but either way...when you play ball, you have film session. In film session you assess your preformance more or less...And a big thing that my coaches would harp on was this "when you look at film, youre never did as bad as you thought you did..and you were never as good as you thought you did...somewhere in the middle...because if you were that bad, you wouldnt be here and if you were that awesome...you would be in the nfl.."
I say that to say this..bro....i know it and you know it, You are as transparent as plastic wrap, Whatever Obama does can be spinned in a negative light and you make it your lifes work to find that light. And you also are the King of hyperbole. And all the Palin talk killed any shread of credibility when it came to politics.
Im jus sayin :-\
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Mitt Romney, now the 2012 frontrunner, also applauded Obama's "backbone" on the GM issue.
So what?Who cares?He also passed a shitty health care bill in Mass. thats bankrupting the state.I dont get your point.Romney also said its a disgrace that Obama screwed the shareholders and gave everything to the unions in the GM deal and was also against dictating CEO pay.Whats the point your making?
Too Mal,the stimulus has been an utter failure,health care will not bend the cost and millions of Americans are going to lose their present health care.So YOU may like those things but I dont.However,I thought Obama made a great call in the pirate thing and I liked that he agreed to put more tropps in Afghanastan and I actually thought the home buyers tax credit was a good idea.
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Im sorry i dont suscribe to your "hyperbole the sky is falling" assessment of this administration or future...
Have you ever played football...im guessing no...but either way...when you play ball, you have film session. In film session you assess your preformance more or less...And a big thing that my coaches would harp on was this "when you look at film, youre never did as bad as you thought you did..and you were never as good as you thought you did...somewhere in the middle...because if you were that bad, you wouldnt be here and if you were that awesome...you would be in the nfl.."
I say that to say this..bro....i know it and you know it, You are as transparent as plastic wrap, Whatever Obama does can be spinned in a negative light and you make it your lifes work to find that light. And you also are the King of hyperbole. And all the Palin talk killed any shread of credibility when it came to politics.
Im jus sayin :-\
Keep your head in the sand Mal. And again - other than the auto bailout - you cant name one good thing Obama is done. NOT ONE!
The health care fiasco was based on lies and if you paid attention you would have known that Obama and Sebellius held back a study prior to the vote showing that ObamaCare adds to the deficit, not save money. So that farce is off the table.
Come on - you support Obama - tell me some ggood things he has done - we are all waiting since other than Benny, Blacken, 240, and yourself, no one seems to be able to come up with anything whatsoever other than his partying 24/7.
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So what?Who cares?He also passed a shitty health care bill in Mass. thats bankrupting the state.I dont get your point.Romney also said its a disgrace that Obama screwed the shareholders and gave everything to the unions in the GM deal and was also against dictating CEO pay.Whats the point your making?
You'll probably be voting for Romney for president in 2012 dude.
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Keep your head in the sand Mal. And again - other than the auto bailout - you cant name one good thing Obama is done. NOT ONE!
The health care fiasco was based on lies and if you paid attention you would have known that Obama and Sebellius held back a study prior to the vote showing that ObamaCare adds to the deficit, not save money. So that farce is off the table.
Come on - you support Obama - tell me some ggood things he has done - we are all waiting since other than Benny, Blacken, 240, and yourself, no one seems to be able to come up with anything whatsoever other than his partying 24/7.
Are you retarded, There were 3 issues, Stim bill, auto bail out and healthcare....and...As the owner of my mothers medical group hailed it as good for business...yeah...that happened. Yeah i agree with all 3
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Are you retarded, There were 3 issues, Stim bill, auto bail out and healthcare....and...As the owner of my mothers medical group hailed it as good for business...yeah...that happened. Yeah i agree with all 3
Stim Bill has failed and you still support it?
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You'll probably be voting for Romney for president in 2012 dude.
If he is the nominee designated to go against the community organiser and chief then YES SIR I will be voting for him.In fact ,I cant think of one person in politics on the republican side that isnt 100 times better then that racist piece of crap.
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Stim Bill has failed and you still support it?
failed...how?
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failed...how?
The justification for passing the stim bill was that if WE DID NOT PASS THE STIM BILL UE WOULD GO TO 8%.
Now, since the stim bill has passed not only have UE exceeded 8%, but has gone to 10% and 17% unofficially in the U6 number.
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failed...how?
It hasnt created any permanent jobs at all.They are all temp government jobs.The stimulus was a union slush fund designed to pay back unions.So I disagree with 33 on this.It failed if you believed Obama thought it would create jobs,but it was a great success in Obamas eyes because he paid off his thug union buddies.
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The justification for passing the stim bill was that if WE DID NOT PASS THE STIM BILL UE WOULD GO TO 8%.
Now, since the stim bill has passed not only have UE exceeded 8%, but has gone to 10% and 17% unofficially in the U6 number.
I wouldn't say the stim bill failed at all. I would say the underestimation of this admin failed.
Mal this is a guy who thinks the new deal by FDR furthered the depression. It's classic republican revisionist history. He cites an obscure paper by two UCLA profs as proof. Little does his know the paper is widely ridiculed for the stupidity of the notion.
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I wouldn't say the stim bill failed at all. I would say the underestimation of this admin failed.
Mal this is a guy who thinks the new deal by FDR furthered the depression. It's classic republican revisionist history. He cites an obscure paper by two UCLA profs as proof. Little does his know the paper is widely ridiculed for the stupidity of the notion.
So when did the depression end KC?
As for the stim bill - its a failure by the definitions set by those who created it.
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before I can make any assessment on the stim bill, i'd need to see a list of all of its goals, then how many of them were achieved.
I consider the Iraq war to be a success. We got saddam out, got the dollar back to their oil, got bases, etc. Did we achieve every goal for teh war? Goodness no! It took years longer than expected, with way more casualties. it's still a WIN, even if it was only 60% or 80% of the goals desired, in way longer.
I think the stim bill may be the same way. The dollar is safe, the banks are still in business. Job losses have reversed since it passed. We're in the POSITIVE job growth now. Sure, the white house didn't get the UE numbers it desired, so maybe the bill is only an 80% success. Still, if we're going to call iraq a win even though it took 6 years instead of 6 months, or because it might have cost a trillion instead of being funded by oil revenues... even being 6 years and a trillion bucks off, it's still a SUCCESS.
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before I can make any assessment on the stim bill, i'd need to see a list of all of its goals, then how many of them were achieved.
I consider the Iraq war to be a success. We got saddam out, got the dollar back to their oil, got bases, etc. Did we achieve every goal for teh war? Goodness no! It took years longer than expected, with way more casualties. it's still a WIN, even if it was only 60% or 80% of the goals desired, in way longer.
I think the stim bill may be the same way. The dollar is safe, the banks are still in business. Job losses have reversed since it passed. We're in the POSITIVE job growth now. Sure, the white house didn't get the UE numbers it desired, so maybe the bill is only an 80% success. Still, if we're going to call iraq a win even though it took 6 years instead of 6 months, or because it might have cost a trillion instead of being funded by oil revenues... even being 6 years and a trillion bucks off, it's still a SUCCESS.
Somewhere in there 240 you forgot to mention TRILLIONS in added debt, a phoney recovery proposed up by Fed Reserve printing, all jobs growth being in govt, banks only being solvent due to the carry trade, etc.
How technical do you want get here? Just let me know.
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So when did the depression end KC?
As for the stim bill - its a failure by the definitions set by those who created it.
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Somewhere in there 240 you forgot to mention TRILLIONS in added debt, a phoney recovery proposed up by Fed Reserve printing, all jobs growth being in govt, banks only being solvent due to the carry trade, etc.
How technical do you want get here? Just let me know.
So let's try to reach a number here - what % of stim goals do you feel would have to have been achieved in order to be a success/failure?
And... unless the bill specifically stated anything about NOT creating "TRILLIONS in added debt, a phoney recovery proposed up by Fed Reserve printing, all jobs growth being in govt, banks only being solvent due to the carry trade" - then those factors cannot be included in our rubric for measuring success.
Bush won the iraq war. he DID say it would be free (oil profits funded), which ended up untrue. Still, I feel the war was a SUCCESS, dont you?
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So let's try to reach a number here - what % of stim goals do you feel would have to have been achieved in order to be a success/failure?
And... unless the bill specifically stated anything about NOT creating "TRILLIONS in added debt, a phoney recovery proposed up by Fed Reserve printing, all jobs growth being in govt, banks only being solvent due to the carry trade" - then those factors cannot be included in our rubric for measuring success.
Bush won the iraq war. he DID say it would be free (oil profits funded), which ended up untrue. Still, I feel the war was a SUCCESS, dont you?
It would be a success if it fixed the economy like they said it would. To this point, it hasn't done anything at all and the economy is just as bad, if not worse, than it was before they pushed it through.
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before I can make any assessment on the stim bill, i'd need to see a list of all of its goals, then how many of them were achieved.
I consider the Iraq war to be a success. We got saddam out, got the dollar back to their oil, got bases, etc. Did we achieve every goal for teh war? Goodness no! It took years longer than expected, with way more casualties. it's still a WIN, even if it was only 60% or 80% of the goals desired, in way longer.
I think the stim bill may be the same way. The dollar is safe, the banks are still in business. Job losses have reversed since it passed. We're in the POSITIVE job growth now. Sure, the white house didn't get the UE numbers it desired, so maybe the bill is only an 80% success. Still, if we're going to call iraq a win even though it took 6 years instead of 6 months, or because it might have cost a trillion instead of being funded by oil revenues... even being 6 years and a trillion bucks off, it's still a SUCCESS.
You can't fight the logic of 333. By his standards the govt should have done nothing, let the banks fail (freezing credit even worse) let the automakers fail (moving millions of people into joblessness) and not given an extension of welfare for those left job less.
This was his solution. One that would have destroyed this country and sent it back to the stone age economically. Sure some would survive just as they did with the stimulus but the financial pain would have been far greater than trillions in debt, it would have been the bankruptcy of a nation.
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It would be a success if it fixed the economy like they said it would. To this point, it hasn't done anything at all and the economy is just as bad, if not worse, than it was before they pushed it through.
Was "fix the economy" one of the stated goals? Sounds very vague. Shame on obama if he used such wording.
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Was "fix the economy" one of the stated goals? Sounds very vague. Shame on obama if he used such wording.
Alright, slick. How about the jobs he promised it would create? To this point, he's WELL short of that and the clock is ticking. ::)
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You can't fight the logic of 333. By his standards the govt should have done nothing, let the banks fail (freezing credit even worse) let the automakers fail (moving millions of people into joblessness) and not given an extension of welfare for those left job less.
This was his solution. One that would have destroyed this country and sent it back to the stone age economically. Sure some would survive just as they did with the stimulus but the financial pain would have been far greater than trillions in debt, it would have been the bankruptcy of a nation.
The bankruptcy of a nation? And yet you think taking on trillions more in debt won't do the same thing? Methinks you don't know what the term "bankruptcy" means.
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This is great news.Did you hear the judge yesterday?One of his questions to the Obama regime
Good way to put it...
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The bankruptcy of a nation? And yet you think taking on trillions more in debt won't do the same thing? Methinks you don't know what the term "bankruptcy" means.
It has the potential to but it's holding off certain economic demise in the hope that we will recover and pay it back down. By giving up or not doing anything you guarantee a collapse from which recovery would be much harder.
Neither choice is ideal but taking this one was the right move.
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Alright, slick. How about the jobs he promised it would create? To this point, he's WELL short of that and the clock is ticking. ::)
how many jobs did he promise to create? how many were created?
how many add'l goals of the stim package were stated?
If he missed the # of jobs by 50%, then it's a 50% success, and 50% failure. We'd have to look at the other stated goals of the Stim bill to determine if iit "worked" and succeeded, or not.
If you look at the iraqi war example - it took WAY longer and cost a LOT more than expected, with WAY more casualties. But even though it failed so many of these goals, in the end, we won, so it was a success. By that same lax enforcement of rubric/standards, Obama could take 6 years and spend an extra trillion or two, and still turn around the economy, and those people shuld call it a win.
But they won't ;)
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before I can make any assessment on the stim bill, i'd need to see a list of all of its goals, then how many of them were achieved.
I consider the Iraq war to be a success. We got saddam out, got the dollar back to their oil, got bases, etc. Did we achieve every goal for teh war? Goodness no! It took years longer than expected, with way more casualties. it's still a WIN, even if it was only 60% or 80% of the goals desired, in way longer.
I think the stim bill may be the same way. The dollar is safe, the banks are still in business. Job losses have reversed since it passed. We're in the POSITIVE job growth now. Sure, the white house didn't get the UE numbers it desired, so maybe the bill is only an 80% success. Still, if we're going to call iraq a win even though it took 6 years instead of 6 months, or because it might have cost a trillion instead of being funded by oil revenues... even being 6 years and a trillion bucks off, it's still a SUCCESS.
The stim bill HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOLLAR OR BANKS!!!NOTHING!!!!When Aug comes and the temp census jobs are lost UE will be at 10.4% by ANY standard THATS A FAILURE of a bill that was said to be a jobs bill.By the way job losses HAVE NOT REVERSED since it passed.Since it passed we lost 4 million jobs.What are you talking about?
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Judge halts Obama's oil-drilling ban
** FILE ** Vessels operate near the Q4000 drilling rig at the site of the Deepwater Horizon well in the Gulf of Mexico on Sunday, June 13, 2010. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
By Stephen Dinan
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A federal judge in New Orleans halted President Obama's deepwater drilling moratorium on Tuesday, saying the government never justified the ban and appeared to mislead the public in the wake of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.
Judge Martin L.C. Feldman issued an injunction, saying that the moratorium will hurt drilling-rig operators and suppliers and that the government has not proved an outright ban is needed, rather than a more limited moratorium.
He also said the Interior Department also misstated the opinion of the experts it consulted. Those experts from the National Academy of Engineering have said they don't support the blanket ban.
"Much to the government's discomfort and this Court's uneasiness, the summary also states that 'the recommendations contained in this report have been peer-reviewed by seven experts identified by the National Academy of Engineering.' As the plaintiffs, and the experts themselves, pointedly observe, this statement was misleading," Judge Feldman said in his 22-page ruling.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the administration will appeal the decision, and said Mr. Obama believes the government must figure out what went wrong with the Deepwater Horizon rig before deepwater drilling goes forward. Still, the ruling is another setback as Mr. Obama seeks to show he's in control of the 2-month-old spill.
Democrats and Republicans from the Gulf states have called on the president to end the blanket moratorium, saying it is hurting the region.
Oil company executives told Congress last week they would have to move their rigs to other countries because they lose up to $1 million a day per idle rig, and said there are opportunities elsewhere.
© Copyright 2010 The Washington Times
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The stim bill HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOLLAR OR BANKS!!!NOTHING!!!!When Aug comes and the temp census jobs are lost UE will be at 10.4% by ANY standard THATS A FAILURE of a bill that was said to be a jobs bill.By the way job losses HAVE NOT REVERSED since it passed.Since it passed we lost 4 million jobs.What are you talking about?
He's trying to lay the groundwork for him getting out of the pandering he did for it. Now we're measuring success in terms of fabricated percentages.
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The stim bill HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOLLAR OR BANKS!!!NOTHING!!!!
Oh. Banks were not affected in any way? And the dollar didn't lose or gain a bit based upon the printing of 780 billion bucks?
Okay.
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He's trying to lay the groundwork for him getting out of the pandering he did for it. Now we're measuring success in terms of fabricated percentages.
nah, I just want to see a complete rubric before screaming "FAIL".
most people would look at a checklist instead of using emotion to make such an evaluation.
Does anyone have that rubric?
I'll have no problem declaring it a failure if the rubric says its a fail.
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No, it 100% failure. It means all the money spent created half the jobs it was supposed to. Where did it go?
Half the jobs - then it could be a failure. If jobs were the only stated goal.
I'm not trying to be a bitch about it lol, i'll admit if I believe it failed. However, if it took longer or cost more or didn't achieve every goal - it can still be a success.
The iraq war was a success. Even though it wasn't free and completed in 6 weeks, or whatever silly goals they had. If we can agree with that, even thuogh it took years and tirllions $ more than expected - can we not give the stim bill the same elesticity in goal achievement? Or is anything less than 100% a fialure?
if he achieved 98% of the jobs he promised - would it be a failure?
if yes, then Iraq was a failure.
if no, then you much tell me what % between 50 and 98 is considered the cutoff, and why.
It's tricky declaring WIN/LOSE when the benchmarks are vague and not enforced.
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240 - did you see my updated article where the judge said the govt lied ?
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Unhfreaking real. These disgusting vermin need to go. Every last one of these communist pieces of excrement.
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Salazar seeks to reimpose drilling moratorium
Jun 22 08:23 PM US/Eastern
By ERICA WERNER
Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Interior Secretary Ken Salazar says he will issue a new order imposing a moratorium on deepwater drilling after a federal judge struck down the existing one.
Salazar said in a statement Tuesday evening that the new order will contain additional information making clear why the six-month drilling pause was necessary in the wake of the Gulf oil spill. The judge in New Orleans who struck down the moratorium earlier in the day complained there wasn't enough justification for it.
Salazar pointed to indications of inadequate safety precautions by industry on deepwater wells. He said he would issue a new order in the coming days showing that a moratorium is needed.
The White House also is appealing the judge's ruling.
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Is it a coincidence this judge owns 16 energy stocks, including the firm that built that rig and 2 BP firms?
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Is it a coincidence this judge owns 16 energy stocks, including the firm that built that rig and 2 BP firms?
$15,000 worth of energy stocks from 2 years ago. not a big deal unless theres more info.
Obama Administration Knew About Deepwater Horizon 35,000 Feet Well Bore, Green-Lighted And Fast-Tracked Project
http://www.zerohedge.com/
President Obama and Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were informed that BP would drill an unprecedented 35,000 feet well bore at the Macondo site off the coast of Louisiana. In September 2009, the Deepwater Horizon successfully sunk a well bore at a depth of 35,055 below sea level at the Tiber Prospect in the Keathley Canyon block 102 in the Gulf of Mexico, southeast of Houston... According to the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) sources within the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Pentagon and Interior and Energy Departments told the Obama Administration that the newly-discovered estimated 3-4 billion barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico would cover America's oil needs for up to eight months if there was a military attack on Iran that resulted in the bottling up of the Strait of Hormuz to oil tanker traffic, resulting in a cut-off of oil to the United States from the Persian Gulf. Obama, Salazar, Chu, and Gates green-lighted the risky Macondo drilling operation from the outset, according to WMR's government sources.
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Is it a coincidence this judge owns 16 energy stocks, including the firm that built that rig and 2 BP firms?
Oh GMAFB 240. WTF is wrong w you lately? This was an unconstitutional power grab and as a so-called libertarian as you like to call yourself I though you would know that.
BTW - I'm highly amused that you completely ignore the fact that the moritorium directly aids Obamas' buddy and handler Soros.
When are you going to wake the hell up and see what it going on here? Obama is pursuing the classic Cloward Piven strategy to collapse the system and exploiting this situation to push crap & tax, regardless of anything else, laws, jobs, the spill, whatever.
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$15,000 worth of energy stocks from 2 years ago. not a big deal unless theres more info.
Obama Administration Knew About Deepwater Horizon 35,000 Feet Well Bore, Green-Lighted And Fast-Tracked Project
http://www.zerohedge.com/
President Obama and Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were informed that BP would drill an unprecedented 35,000 feet well bore at the Macondo site off the coast of Louisiana. In September 2009, the Deepwater Horizon successfully sunk a well bore at a depth of 35,055 below sea level at the Tiber Prospect in the Keathley Canyon block 102 in the Gulf of Mexico, southeast of Houston... According to the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) sources within the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Pentagon and Interior and Energy Departments told the Obama Administration that the newly-discovered estimated 3-4 billion barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico would cover America's oil needs for up to eight months if there was a military attack on Iran that resulted in the bottling up of the Strait of Hormuz to oil tanker traffic, resulting in a cut-off of oil to the United States from the Persian Gulf. Obama, Salazar, Chu, and Gates green-lighted the risky Macondo drilling operation from the outset, according to WMR's government sources.
That's pretty interesting. I wonder if the MSM will report on that? ::)
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I wouldn't say the stim bill failed at all. I would say the underestimation of this admin failed.
Mal this is a guy who thinks the new deal by FDR furthered the depression. It's classic republican revisionist history. He cites an obscure paper by two UCLA profs as proof. Little does his know the paper is widely ridiculed for the stupidity of the notion.
Are you smoking that sticky-icky? If you advertise that the stimulus will keep unemployment under 8 percent and it doesn't, THAT'S FAILURE, pure and simple.
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The stim bill HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOLLAR OR BANKS!!!NOTHING!!!!When Aug comes and the temp census jobs are lost UE will be at 10.4% by ANY standard THATS A FAILURE of a bill that was said to be a jobs bill.By the way job losses HAVE NOT REVERSED since it passed.Since it passed we lost 4 million jobs.What are you talking about?
And if it weren't for this judge, yet more jobs would have been lost because of this stupid moratorium.
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And 240, Mal, Blacken, Benny, Danny think Obama is not deadset on agitating and collapsing the system! ::) ::) ::)
Good comments at the site.
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Federal Gov't Halts Sand Berm Dredging
Nungesser Pleads With President To Allow Work To Continue
POSTED: 5:37 pm CDT June 22, 2010
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Comments (27)NEW ORLEANS -- The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.
The berms are meant to protect the Louisiana coastline from oil. But the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department has concerns about where the dredging is being done.
Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser, who was one of the most vocal advocates of the dredging plan, has sent a letter to President Barack Obama, pleading for the work to continue.
Nungesser said the government has asked crews to move the dredging site two more miles farther off the coastline.
"Once again, our government resource agencies, which are intended to protect us, are now leaving us vulnerable to the destruction of our coastline and marshes by the impending oil," Nungesser wrote to Obama. "Furthermore, with the threat of hurricanes or tropical storms, we are being put at an increased risk for devastation to our area from the intrusion of oil.
Nungesser has asked for the dredging to continue for the next seven days, the amount of time it would take to move the dredging operations two miles and out resume work.
Work is scheduled to halt at midnight Wednesday.
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Ha ha. this is the govt you voted for you stupid idiots. Great job 240 & Mal!
"BP is going to save the world"
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Oh. Banks were not affected in any way? And the dollar didn't lose or gain a bit based upon the printing of 780 billion bucks?
Okay.
You said it stabalised banks and the dollar.The stimulus bill did NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS!!!It didnt do a darn thing other then act as a payoff to state unions.PERIOD!!
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Is it a coincidence this judge owns 16 energy stocks, including the firm that built that rig and 2 BP firms?
IS IT A COINCIDENCE THAT WE ARE GIVING BRAZIL 2 BILLION DOLLARS FOR OIL EXPLORATION AND SOROS JUST INVESTED 900 MILLION IN A BRAZILLIAN OIL COMPANY?
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240 - why is Obama halting the dredging now too?
Can you say: "CLOWARD & PIVEN"?
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CRICKETS . . . . .
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http://www.wdsu.com/news/23997498/detail.html
Federal Gov't Halts Sand Berm Dredging
Nungesser Pleads With President To Allow Work To Continue
POSTED: 5:37 pm CDT June 22, 2010
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Comments (27)NEW ORLEANS -- The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.
The berms are meant to protect the Louisiana coastline from oil. But the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department has concerns about where the dredging is being done.
Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser, who was one of the most vocal advocates of the dredging plan, has sent a letter to President Barack Obama, pleading for the work to continue.
Nungesser said the government has asked crews to move the dredging site two more miles farther off the coastline.
"Once again, our government resource agencies, which are intended to protect us, are now leaving us vulnerable to the destruction of our coastline and marshes by the impending oil," Nungesser wrote to Obama. "Furthermore, with the threat of hurricanes or tropical storms, we are being put at an increased risk for devastation to our area from the intrusion of oil.
Nungesser has asked for the dredging to continue for the next seven days, the amount of time it would take to move the dredging operations two miles and out resume work.
Work is scheduled to halt at midnight Wednesday.
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Is this what you want 240?
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Goldman: A Drilling Ban Would Destroy Half Of Gulf Oil Production By 2015
www.businessinsider.com
| A A A Share Vincent Fernando, CFA | Jun. 23, 2010, 9:18 AM | 334 | 5
Was the Deepwater Horizon disaster solely a fluke caused by BP (BP), Transocean (RIG), and/or Anadarko (APC)? Or was it a risk that came with the entire offshore industry, including other players who escaped the blame?
Even if your answer is the latter, any ban on offshore drilling activity needs careful consideration. That's because the long-term implications on Gulf of Mexico oil production are enormous.
According to Goldman Sachs, a permanent ban would halve the expected oil production by 2015.
Goldman's Global Energy Team:
While new project start-ups are not meaningful over the next few years, the ability to continue to drill exploitation and development wells in existing fields is key to maintaining production. As such, a permanent drilling ban would have a material negative impact on our Gulf of Mexico production outlook, with production potentially falling to below 900,000 b/d in 2015 versus our current forecast of just over 1.75 million b/d.
Here's the associated chart below:
We currently believe a permanent drilling moratorium is unlikely. As such, we have run a second sensitivity that assumes the current six-month moratorium is extended for essentially an additional six months (12 months in total), with a corresponding delay on both new projects and production maintenance activities at existing fields. Assuming a combination of greater caution by operators and greater regulatory scrutiny prohibits a future reacceleration in activity, we estimate deepwater Gulf of Mexico production would average 1.5 million b/d from 2011-2015 versus our current 1.7 million b/d estimate. In effect, the expected plateau would be reduced by about 200,000 b/d, but production would stabilize under the assumptions and not continuously decline.
As horrible as the disaster is, and as noble as the concept of weaning America off of oil consumption may be, it's hard to see how America will be able to drastically change its ways any time soon. Any oil not produced in the gulf will be shipped in from abroad. In addition, one has to imagine that the offshore industry in nearby states would be devastated by 2015 as well.
(Via Goldman Sachs, Global: Energy: Oil, Arjun N. Murti, 21 July 2010)
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wait... so Goldman is credible now?
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wait... so Goldman is credible now?
They are not the only people claiming this. The 7 companies who went to court seeking to enjoin your messiah from his tyranny said the same thing and that it will cost at least 100,000 jobs.
240 - for you to not see that obama is intentionally making this disaster turn into something it never had to be is embarassing. Every single step of the way from Day 1, Obama (Your hero), has done the exact opposite of what a person intending on solving the problem would have done.
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They are not the only people claiming this. The 7 companies who went to court seeking to enjoin your messiah from his tyranny said the same thing and that it will cost at least 100,000 jobs.
240 - for you to not see that obama is intentionally making this disaster turn into something it never had to be is embarassing. Every single step of the way from Day 1, Obama (Your hero), has done the exact opposite of what a person intending on solving the problem would have done.
for the 100th time - It's quite obvious obama is exploiting this mess to push cap/trade. Do you ya need me to list the many quites I've made agreeing with ya on that point?
Obama isn't my hero, but palin shouldn't be yours either. We shuld strive for better leaders in both parties.
Still, I can't buy into "Obama is intentionally letting this thing leak worse" when BP is the one saying 4 months for a relief well.
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for the 100th time - It's quite obvious obama is exploiting this mess to push cap/trade. Do you ya need me to list the many quites I've made agreeing with ya on that point?
Obama isn't my hero, but palin shouldn't be yours either. We shuld strive for better leaders in both parties.
Still, I can't buy into "Obama is intentionally letting this thing leak worse" when BP is the one saying 4 months for a relief well.
The spill and the leak are two seperate items.
BTW - if this does not qualify as "never letting a crisis go to waste to do things you otherwise never could", I don't know what was.
Another thing, obama is lying and making it sound as if cap & tax would have prevented this.
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for the 100th time - It's quite obvious obama is exploiting this mess to push cap/trade. Do you ya need me to list the many quites I've made agreeing with ya on that point?
Obama isn't my hero, but palin shouldn't be yours either. We shuld strive for better leaders in both parties.
Still, I can't buy into "Obama is intentionally letting this thing leak worse" when BP is the one saying 4 months for a relief well.
Obama cant stop the leak.However,he LOVES that it is continuing to leak.He wants it to leak until everything is destroyed.He is destroying the economy,so why not the environment.If this ban continues there will be no oil companies in the US which is EXACTLY what Obama wants.Another industry destroyed!
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Obama is personally destroying the gulf coast and the livelihoods of millions of American citizens to try to push his agenda. Pretty despicable.
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Obama is personally destroying the gulf coast and the livelihoods of millions of American citizens to try to push his agenda. Pretty despicable.
Is he really?
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Is he really?
What else can you attribute to his actions/inactions so far?
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Is he really?
How else would you explain his refusal of foreign help, delaying the clean-up permits, forcing the people to stop dredging and all in all being as combative as he could be to people who want to clean-up the spill?
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And pushing cap & Trade, forcing 100,000 out of work and seeking to impose a moritorium the day after he lost in court, etc?
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http://www.wdsu.com/news/23997498/detail.html
Federal Gov't Halts Sand Berm Dredging
Nungesser Pleads With President To Allow Work To Continue
POSTED: 5:37 pm CDT June 22, 2010
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Comments (27)NEW ORLEANS -- The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.
The berms are meant to protect the Louisiana coastline from oil. But the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department has concerns about where the dredging is being done.
Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser, who was one of the most vocal advocates of the dredging plan, has sent a letter to President Barack Obama, pleading for the work to continue.
Nungesser said the government has asked crews to move the dredging site two more miles farther off the coastline.
"Once again, our government resource agencies, which are intended to protect us, are now leaving us vulnerable to the destruction of our coastline and marshes by the impending oil," Nungesser wrote to Obama. "Furthermore, with the threat of hurricanes or tropical storms, we are being put at an increased risk for devastation to our area from the intrusion of oil.
Nungesser has asked for the dredging to continue for the next seven days, the amount of time it would take to move the dredging operations two miles and out resume work.
Work is scheduled to halt at midnight Wednesday.
haha that's laughable. You know why they aren't allowing dredging so close? Because it's a sensitive ecosystem. You're saying they should destroy it even more to stop the oil coming to shore? Give me a break. Of course they should move it further out, talk about stupid. Hey lets dredge the sh*t out of our wetlands and destroy them to stop them being destroyed. Good logic there buddy.
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KC demonstrates again the deluded psycopathic insanity of the typical lib.
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KC demonstrates again the deluded psycopathic insanity of the typical lib.
deluded how? Has this Priest given any scientific based reason as to why dredging can not occur further offshore? No. All he's done is sensationalize a topic he knows nothing about. Like i said you're talking about destroying a sensitive ecosystem to protect that same ecosystem. It makes NO sense.
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Yeah, while oil drenches the beaches we have to worry about the spotted frog, some bizzarre owl, etc. :o :o
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Yeah, while oil drenches the beaches we have to worry about the spotted frog, some bizzarre owl, etc. :o :o
haha delusion and misinformation runs deep in you 333.
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haha delusion and misinformation runs deep in you 333.
How so?
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Oil gushing at spill site after vent damaged
Cap removed after sub hits vent; 2 cleanup workers die in separate events
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NEW ORLEANS - Oil was again gushing from the BP spill site on Wednesday after the company was forced to remove the containment cap when a robotic submarine hit a vent. The news came as officials also reported two deaths of people who had been hired for the response effort.
BP hoped to reinstall the cap later Wednesday after fixing the vent and checking for safety.
When the robot bumped the system, gas rose through the vent that carries warm water down to prevent ice-like crystals from forming in the cap, Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen said.
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The cap was removed and crews were checking to see if crystals had formed before putting it back on. Allen did not say how long that might take.
"There's more coming up than there had been, but it's not a totally unconstrained discharge," Allen said.
In the meantime, a different system was still burning oil on the surface.
Before the problem with the containment cap, it had collected about 700,000 gallons of oil in the previous 24 hours. Another 438,000 gallons was burned.
The current worst-case estimate of what's spewing into the Gulf is about 2.5 million gallons a day. Anywhere from 67 million to 127 million gallons have spilled since the April 20 explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig that killed 11 workers and blew out a well 5,000 feet underwater. BP PLC was leasing the rig from owner Transocean Ltd.
Gunshot death reported
The deaths reported Wednesday were not tied to the containment operation. The Coast Guard said the workers had been involved in cleanup operations but that their deaths did not appear to be work related.
One death was a boat captain who died of a gunshot wound, a Coast Guard spokesman said. Further details were not immediately available.
Earlier Wednesday, BP said that Bob Dudley was appointed to head the new Gulf Coast Restoration Organization, which is in charge of cleaning up the oil spill.
BP said that the appointment was effective immediately.
Dudley, who had been in charge of BP's operations in the Americas and Asia, will report to Chief Executive Officer Tony Hayward.
"We were always going to set up the organization," he said on NBC's TODAY show. "But we have across the Gulf Coast people that are there temporarily, rotating in and out. We are going to bed this down now — we're in there for the long haul and we're going to make sure we're sustained and efficient in working with the Coast Guard to shut off the well and through the spill response and clean up."
June 23: Bob Dudley, BP’s managing director and newly appointed overseer of its spill response team, says BP remains committed to helping victims of the spill.
He also was asked if BP would start deepwater drilling again in the Gulf after a judge lifted a White House moratorium.
He replied that BP will "step back" from the issue while the April 20 rig explosion is investigated. "That process is going to take awhile," he added.
BP is the largest oil and gas producer in the Gulf.
New drilling ban order
On Tuesday, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he will issue a new order imposing a moratorium on deepwater drilling after a federal judge struck down the existing one.
Salazar said in a statement that the new order will contain additional information making clear why the six-month drilling pause was necessary in the wake of the Gulf oil spill. The judge in New Orleans who struck down the moratorium earlier in the day complained there wasn't enough justification for it.
Salazar pointed to indications of inadequate industry safety precautions on deepwater wells. "Based on this ever-growing evidence, I will issue a new order in the coming days that eliminates any doubt that a moratorium is needed, appropriate, and within our authorities."
The White House, which had hoped the ban would provide time to ensure other wells are operating safely, immediately said it would appeal.
The judge's ruling comes in a lawsuit filed by drilling companies to reverse the ban imposed by the Department of Interior, which halted the approval of any new permits for deepwater drilling and suspended drilling at 33 exploratory wells in the Gulf.
The federal judge in Louisiana granted the drillers' request for a preliminary restraining order that would prevent the ban from taking effect until a trial is held. He did not set a trial date.
District Judge Martin Feldman said the Interior Department failed to provide adequate reasoning and that the moratorium seems to assume that because one rig failed, all companies and rigs doing deepwater drilling pose an imminent danger.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs countered that "continuing to drill at these depths without knowing what happened does not make any sense and ... potentially puts the safety of those on the rigs and the safety of the environment in the Gulf at a danger that the president does not believe we can afford right now."
Salazar said in his late Tuesday statement imposing a moratorium "was and is the right decision."
"We see clear evidence every day, as oil spills from BP's well, of the need for a pause on deepwater drilling," Salazar said. "That evidence mounts as BP continues to be unable to stop its blowout, notwithstanding the huge efforts and help from the federal scientific team and most major oil companies operating in the Gulf of Mexico."
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Gunshot death reported
The deaths reported Wednesday were not tied to the containment operation. The Coast Guard said the workers had been involved in cleanup operations but that their deaths did not appear to be work related.
One death was a boat captain who died of a gunshot wound, a Coast Guard spokesman said. Further details were not immediately available.
Earlier Wednesday, BP said that Bob Dudley was appointed to head the new Gulf Coast Restoration Organization, which is in charge of cleaning up the oil spill.
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How so?
Your gullibility at thinking they stopped dredging all together (they didn't) they moved it out 2 miles to stop further environmental damage. You know the whole purpose of sandbagging and dredging is to stop further environmental damage. By continuing to destroy the shoreline ecosystem you're basically killing the ecosystem, to save the ecosystem. A pointless exercise.
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Your gullibility at thinking they stopped dredging all together (they didn't) they moved it out 2 miles to stop further environmental damage. You know the whole purpose of sandbagging and dredging is to stop further environmental damage. By continuing to destroy the shoreline ecosystem you're basically killing the ecosystem, to save the ecosystem. A pointless exercise.
Sort of like Bidens' claim that we have to spend money to save money? ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Sort of like Bidens' claim that we have to spend money to save money? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Like KC's claim, you mean? He argued that we needed to take on trillions more in debt to avoid going bankrupt. LOL. :o
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RP laying the common sense down.
240 - watch and learn.
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Did you watch that clip? There was no common sense to be found. It was actually pretty pathetic.
RP didn't know whether or not he was defending poor BP from being beaten up by the big, bad government, or bashing BP for being a big government sponsored company who were getting off easy with cheap publicity stunts.
A lot like the posters on the right in this thread, he was basically just throwing anything at the wall to see what would stick.
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Did you watch that clip? There was no common sense to be found. It was actually pretty pathetic.
RP didn't know whether or not he was defending poor BP from being beaten up by the big, bad government, or bashing BP for being a big government sponsored company who were getting off easy with cheap publicity stunts.
A lot like the posters on the right in this thread, he was basically just throwing anything at the wall to see what would stick.
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You really are clueless arnt you? Seriously - have you read the threads about BP lobbying obama to pass cap & trade, the stim bill, the bailouts etc? Have you read about their ties to obama via john podesta or did MSNBC happen to not report that? BP is the class example of crony capitalism which RP and many others are against. I guess you also missed the clip of sec. Chu saying BP was going to save the world.
RP was saying that BP did the right thing by setting the money aisde since they are responasible regardless and whether its an escrow account or not, they are going to have to since they are responsible and otherwise could be sued into bankruptcy, which might not be the best thing right now since its best if they are able to pay for the mess they made.
Also, with regard to the moritorium, RP was again right. Obama is not a dictator, as sad as that is to you libs, and thankfully the court stepped in and is stopping this power mad psycho.
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You really are clueless arnt you? Seriously - have you read the threads about BP lobbying obama to pass cap & trade, the stim bill, the bailouts etc? Have you read about their ties to obama via john podesta or did MSNBC happen to not report that? BP is the class example of crony capitalism which RP and many others are against. I guess you also missed the clip of sec. Chu saying BP was going to save the world.
RP was saying that BP did the right thing by setting the money aisde since they are responasible regardless and whether its an escrow account or not, they are going to have to since they are responsible and otherwise could be sued into bankruptcy, which might not be the best thing right now since its best if they are able to pay for the mess they made.
eta-not only did rp veer all over the place, but Cavuto
Also, with regard to the moritorium, RP was again right. Obama is not a dictator, as sad as that is to you libs, and thankfully the court stepped in and is stopping this power mad psycho.
::) No, RP sounded like he was suffering from the early stages of dementia and you sound like you will grasp at any straw within pissing distance. RP very clearly said that the escrow account was basically a pr move and that they were in bed with the government. Even in your reply, you attempt to have it both ways- BP is the prime example of govenmental cronyism but was also being bullied into bankruptcy. ::) Nothing about that interview was well reasoned, as is the case with most of the conspiracy theories posted in this thread.
eta-not only did rp veer madly off course, Cavuto tried desperately to steer him back into the "approved" talking points.
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IBD Editorials
. Salazar's Ban Is Soros' Bonanza
Posted 06:49 PM ET
While the U.S. seeks to ban drilling in 500 feet of water, Brazil's Petrobras plans to go much deeper to tap oil and gas in a large area off the... View Enlarged Image
Energy Policy: Our interior secretary plans to reinstate the offshore drilling moratorium struck down by a federal judge. But if deep-water drilling is so unsafe, why are we helping Brazil drill nearly three times as deep?
Maybe Secretary Ken Salazar can explain why Britain and others can safely drill in the North Sea and no other nation has suspended its offshore drilling. Yet there he was Tuesday saying he'll reissue a reworded moratorium that will make it clear to dunces like U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman why offshore drilling is unsafe.
As with health care reform and other issues, the administration's position is that we didn't make it clear enough, so we will speak slower and use smaller words. But double talk is double talk no matter how you rearrange the words.
"The decision to impose a moratorium on deep-water drilling was and is the right decision," Salazar said, even after he was caught rewording a report so a team of experts he assembled would look like they supported the moratorium, when in fact, they adamantly opposed it and thought it would do more harm than the Deepwater Horizon spill itself.
"If some drilling equipment parts are flawed, is it rational to say all are?" Feldman asked in his ruling. "Are all airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon Valdez? All trains? All mines?
"That sort of thinking seems heavy-handed, and rather overbearing." Not for an administration and its environmentalist supporters whose collective goal is not to drill safely, but to drill not at all, at least not here.
Last August, the U.S. Export-Import Bank issued a "preliminary commitment" letter to Brazil's state-run Petrobras in the amount of $2 billion, with the promise of more to follow. Why are we lending billions to a foreign oil company that made $15 billion last year?
These taxpayer dollars finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Apparently there are no pristine beaches full of tourists there. Someday we may be importing that oil we're helping Brazil get at.
Has that letter been rescinded as part of the moratorium? Why are Brazil's offshore fields safe but ours aren't?
The irony is that most of the deep-water rigs idled by the moratorium may shortly be snapped up by a Petrobras apparently undeterred by images of tar balls on Rio's beaches. Petrobras plans to drill to a depth of 14,022 feet, a depth that makes our 500-foot limit laughable. Brazil is going big-game hunting, and we're stuck in the petting zoo.
A recent study by Science Applications International Corp. shows that failure to exploit our domestic and offshore resources translates into some $2.3 trillion in lost opportunity costs for the U.S. economy over the next two decades. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that exploiting these resources would generate nearly 160,000 well-paying jobs and $1.7 trillion in federal, state and local revenues, with $1.3 trillion from offshore drilling alone.
If the moratorium stands and energy prices rise, the only ones to profit will be foreign-owned companies such as Petrobras and investors such as George Soros, who has an investment in the oil giant in the neighborhood of $900 million. Yes, the same George Soros who also is a major investor in the Democratic Party and President Obama's 2008 campaign.
Soros would love to see domestic offshore drilling shut down and those three dozen deep-water rigs sitting idle shipped off to the coast of Brazil. He has a huge investment in both Petrobras and the Democrats. He expects a return on all his investments.
While we track the trail of oil gushing from Deepwater Horizon, we should also follow the money that will be gushing into George Soros' bank account, courtesy of the U.S. government and the American taxpayer.
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::) No, RP sounded like he was suffering from the early stages of dementia and you sound like you will grasp at any straw within pissing distance. RP very clearly said that the escrow account was basically a pr move and that they were in bed with the government. Even in your reply, you attempt to have it both ways- BP is the prime example of govenmental cronyism but was also being bullied into bankruptcy. ::) Nothing about that interview was well reasoned, as is the case with most of the conspiracy theories posted in this thread.
eta-not only did rp veer madly off course, Cavuto tried desperately to steer him back into the "approved" talking points.
If you didn't understand what he was saying then you're the one with brain damage. It wasnt Cavuto he was talking to either moron. ::)
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IBD Editorials
. Salazar's Ban Is Soros' Bonanza
Posted 06:49 PM ET
While the U.S. seeks to ban drilling in 500 feet of water, Brazil's Petrobras plans to go much deeper to tap oil and gas in a large area off the... View Enlarged Image
Energy Policy: Our interior secretary plans to reinstate the offshore drilling moratorium struck down by a federal judge. But if deep-water drilling is so unsafe, why are we helping Brazil drill nearly three times as deep?
Maybe Secretary Ken Salazar can explain why Britain and others can safely drill in the North Sea and no other nation has suspended its offshore drilling. Yet there he was Tuesday saying he'll reissue a reworded moratorium that will make it clear to dunces like U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman why offshore drilling is unsafe.
As with health care reform and other issues, the administration's position is that we didn't make it clear enough, so we will speak slower and use smaller words. But double talk is double talk no matter how you rearrange the words.
"The decision to impose a moratorium on deep-water drilling was and is the right decision," Salazar said, even after he was caught rewording a report so a team of experts he assembled would look like they supported the moratorium, when in fact, they adamantly opposed it and thought it would do more harm than the Deepwater Horizon spill itself.
"If some drilling equipment parts are flawed, is it rational to say all are?" Feldman asked in his ruling. "Are all airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon Valdez? All trains? All mines?
"That sort of thinking seems heavy-handed, and rather overbearing." Not for an administration and its environmentalist supporters whose collective goal is not to drill safely, but to drill not at all, at least not here.
Last August, the U.S. Export-Import Bank issued a "preliminary commitment" letter to Brazil's state-run Petrobras in the amount of $2 billion, with the promise of more to follow. Why are we lending billions to a foreign oil company that made $15 billion last year?
These taxpayer dollars finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Apparently there are no pristine beaches full of tourists there. Someday we may be importing that oil we're helping Brazil get at.
Has that letter been rescinded as part of the moratorium? Why are Brazil's offshore fields safe but ours aren't?
The irony is that most of the deep-water rigs idled by the moratorium may shortly be snapped up by a Petrobras apparently undeterred by images of tar balls on Rio's beaches. Petrobras plans to drill to a depth of 14,022 feet, a depth that makes our 500-foot limit laughable. Brazil is going big-game hunting, and we're stuck in the petting zoo.
A recent study by Science Applications International Corp. shows that failure to exploit our domestic and offshore resources translates into some $2.3 trillion in lost opportunity costs for the U.S. economy over the next two decades. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that exploiting these resources would generate nearly 160,000 well-paying jobs and $1.7 trillion in federal, state and local revenues, with $1.3 trillion from offshore drilling alone.
If the moratorium stands and energy prices rise, the only ones to profit will be foreign-owned companies such as Petrobras and investors such as George Soros, who has an investment in the oil giant in the neighborhood of $900 million. Yes, the same George Soros who also is a major investor in the Democratic Party and President Obama's 2008 campaign.
Soros would love to see domestic offshore drilling shut down and those three dozen deep-water rigs sitting idle shipped off to the coast of Brazil. He has a huge investment in both Petrobras and the Democrats. He expects a return on all his investments.
While we track the trail of oil gushing from Deepwater Horizon, we should also follow the money that will be gushing into George Soros' bank account, courtesy of the U.S. government and the American taxpayer.
They can chose to do that, seeing as they have a alternative source of fuel---Sugar cane, and lots of it. While we were being stalwart in our research to alternative fuels (thanks to BP and others) the Brazilians were busy researching on how Sugar Cane could be used.
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240 - can you defend Obama after hearing this?
Can you honestly say that Obama is not making things worse after hearing what this communist agitator told this Senator - FROM YOUR STATE?
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If you didn't understand what he was saying then you're the one with brain damage. It wasnt Cavuto he was talking to either moron. ::)
No, I understood what he was saying... EVERYTHING HE COULD THINK OF, hoping something would stick to the wall. Just like the right wing dolts in this thread.
True it wasn't Cavuto, but that doesn't change the fact that dude tried to guide him back on course at least twice.
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240 - can you defend Obama after hearing this?
Can you honestly say that Obama is not making things worse after hearing what this communist agitator told this Senator - FROM YOUR STATE?
Admiral Thad Allen explaining why we're not using the super skimmers right now:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/06/allen-explains-why-oilsucking-tankers-arent-being-used.html?cid=6a00d8341c4df253ef0134836b4bf3970c
“We’ve actually talked to those folks. There are a couple of issues with that. Number one, the tankers actually have to be modified. They are not ready to go right now. Number two, we don’t know what those modifications will do to the stability of the vessels and how they operate and number thee, the area of operations is very, very different. We’ve got anywhere from 20 to 30 vessels within one square mile over the top of that well at any particular time, managing remotely operating vehicles, doing the drilling of the relief well and so forth, so I’m not sure it’s the right application of that right now.”
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Oil spill cleanup aid from overseas comes with a price tag
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/oil_spill_cleanup_aid_from_ove.html
U.S. disaster aid is almost always free of charge; other nations expect the U.S. to pay for help.
"These offers are not typically offers of aid," said Lt. Erik Halvorson, a Coast Guard spokesman. "Normally, they are offers to sell resources to BP or the U.S. government."
And exactly what are those services we've turned down
* Britain, America's closest ally and headquarters to London-based BP, said it would sell chemical dispersants and containment boom for use cleaning up the spill. London's mayor, Boris Johnson, has previously complained about what he called "buck-passing and name-calling" in the U.S. against BP.
* Russia, which received $70.5 million in U.S. aid last year and $78 million in 2008, said it could send boom, oil containers and ships if the U.S. paid for them.
* China offered containment boom for a price. When a major earthquake struck in northwest China in April, the U.S. quickly gave $100,000 for relief supplies, and after another major earthquake in southwestern China in 2008, the U.S. donated $500,000 through the U.S. embassy in Beijing to the Red Cross to buy and deliver emergency supplies there. Congressional researchers estimate the U.S. spends roughly $30 million on foreign aid to China each year, including educational exchanges and health programs.
* Israel, which receives roughly $3 billion in U.S. military aid and other assistance, also said it would send containment boom, if the U.S. paid for it.
* France offered to send chemical dispersants and equipment to clean oil off birds but only for a price.
* Kenya, which received more than $24 million in U.S. aid last year and $11 million in 2008 for humanitarian aid, offered to send fire boom but only if the Obama administration paid.
* Vietnam offered a ship with oil-collecting sweep arms if the U.S. paid for it. The U.S. spent $102 million in all types of aid to Vietnam in 2008. When Typhoon Ketsana hit that country last fall, affecting 3 million people, the U.S. spent $100,000 on relief operations.
* Romania made a "general offer of support" but asked the U.S. government for payment. After heavy rains sent in July 2008 sent four major rivers over their banks and killed five people, the U.S. gave $50,000 for emergency supplies.
* Croatia offered to send technical experts and plans, for a price. The U.S. gave Croatia $50,000 to buy local firefighting equipment in 2007 when more than 800 wildfires broke out during an unusually hot and dry summer.
You get the idea
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hahaha 333 being beaten with the common sense stick. It's pure alarmism and political pandering from him at this point. He's trying to stick anything and everything he can into his CT's i'm surprised he hasn't put something in about kenyan interests yet.
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hahaha 333 being beaten with the common sense stick. It's pure alarmism and political pandering from him at this point. He's trying to stick anything and everything he can into his CT's i'm surprised he hasn't put something in about kenyan interests yet.
::) ::) This Senator spoke to Obama and the Dutch himself about the skimmers. It speaks for itself.
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::) ::) This Senator spoke to Obama and the Dutch himself about the skimmers. It speaks for itself.
Yawn. Believe what you want, Al posted the truth stick to the CT's and political pandering. It seems to be what you excel at, facts are not your forte.
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Yawn. Believe what you want, Al posted the truth stick to the CT's and political pandering. It seems to be what you excel at, facts are not your forte.
KC - Al posted excuses and bs to cover for the failures of this daily shit show admn. This state senator spoke to Obama and Obama said the reason he would not give them the booms was because there were needed in case of another spill, not the bogus excuses put forward by al. .
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::) ::) This Senator spoke to Obama and the Dutch himself about the skimmers. It speaks for itself.
Prove it.
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KC - Al posted excuses and bs to cover for the failures of this daily shit show admn. This state senator spoke to Obama and Obama said the reason he would not give them the booms was because there were needed in case of another spill, not the bogus excuses put forward by al. .
::) this guy is going to say anything he can to look in the right. He's doing what's needed for his political life if he came on and said 'we can't because of safety issue etc' people would accuse him of not doing enough so he's passing the buck. He's making Obama the scapegoat so it looks like he's in the right and doing good for his people.
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So the Dutch are in on this too KC? The Dutch Gen. Counsel took obama to the woodshed over his incompetence as well.
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So the Dutch are in on this too KC? The Dutch Gen. Counsel took obama to the woodshed over his incompetence as well.
Of course, man. It's ALWAYS everyone else's fault. It is never the glorious Obama's fault. He can do no wrong.
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So the Dutch are in on this too KC? The Dutch Gen. Counsel took obama to the woodshed over his incompetence as well.
1) who cares what the Dutch say i mean seriously. The coast guard made the decision to not use Dutch ships for their own reasons. It sure as hell isn't to 'make it worse' yeah you think that's the call from the top? You're sounding like a 9/11 CTer.
2) i'm not defending the incompetence of the government, i'm shooting down the stupid notion that this is all a CT to make it worse. Absolute tin foil stuff. Fact is NO ONE knows how to stop it, skimming ships are a minor part of the equation it's like tort reform in health care it's important but it's minor sh*t. The major issue is the oil still flowing and the fact there was no plan or idea from ANYONE on how to solve an issue like this.
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1) who cares what the Dutch say i mean seriously. The coast guard made the decision to not use Dutch ships for their own reasons. It sure as hell isn't to 'make it worse' yeah you think that's the call from the top? You're sounding like a 9/11 CTer.
2) i'm not defending the incompetence of the government, i'm shooting down the stupid notion that this is all a CT to make it worse. Absolute tin foil stuff. Fact is NO ONE knows how to stop it, skimming ships are a minor part of the equation it's like tort reform in health care it's important but it's minor sh*t. The major issue is the oil still flowing and the fact there was no plan or idea from ANYONE on how to solve an issue like this.
No, the Dutch spoke to the WH, not the coast guard. Obama could have suspended the Jones Act and the Dutch were read on Day 3 to provide assistance, along with 17 other nations.
Obama lied and turtles/seals/fish/craps/shrimp/sharks/whales/lobsters died.
Sad but true.
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No, the Dutch spoke to the WH, not the coast guard. Obama could have suspended the Jones Act and the Dutch were read on Day 3 to provide assistance, along with 17 other nations.
Obama lied and turtles/seals/fish/craps/shrimp/sharks/whales/lobsters died.
Sad but true.
I can't believe people are still sitting here and defending Obama's handling of this catastrophe. The man is personally responsible for destroying the gulf coast and the livelihoods of millions of American citizens.
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BF - I have have classified Obama voters into two categories.
1. The skeptical ones who were willing to give him a chance based on the horrific behavior of GWB and the fact that McCain was McSame and Palin, etc etc, yet were keeping an open mind and willing to suspend judgment. I can understand that.
2. The die-hard true believer who actually bought into the Obama hype "Hope & Change" etc etc.
The people in No. 1 know that things are seriously wrong and they did not think they were voting for anything remotely like we have gotten. Fine, they are at least realizing the reality of what is occuring and can correct course in 2010 and 2012.
The people in No. 2 will never be swayed no matter what happens. Its all Bushs' fault regardless and if Obama declared martial law, they would be fine with it.
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No, the Dutch spoke to the WH, not the coast guard. Obama could have suspended the Jones Act and the Dutch were read on Day 3 to provide assistance, along with 17 other nations.
Obama lied and turtles/seals/fish/craps/shrimp/sharks/whales/lobsters died.
Sad but true.
The coast guard is handling the spill clean up. Obama was probably advised that they didn't need that help, some of which came with a price tag as you can see from Al.
Ironic you now care about the wildlife, yesterday you were lamenting moving dredging to protect further ecosystem damage.
The hyperbole is rather ridiculous in this thread. Yes he alone destroyed it to pass cap and trade ::)
I guess idiots will congregate, spread their disinformation and 'boost' one anothers retarded CT's and 'theories' ::)
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BF - I have have classified Obama voters into two categories.
1. The skeptical ones who were willing to give him a chance based on the horrific behavior of GWB and the fact that McCain was McSame and Palin, etc etc, yet were keeping an open mind and willing to suspend judgment. I can understand that.
2. The die-hard true believer who actually bought into the Obama hype "Hope & Change" etc etc.
The people in No. 1 know that things are seriously wrong and they did not think they were voting for anything remotely like we have gotten. Fine, they are at least realizing the reality of what is occuring and can correct course in 2010 and 2012.
The people in No. 2 will never be swayed no matter what happens. Its all Bushs' fault regardless and if Obama declared martial law, they would be fine with it.
Hahaha, I was #1. I was even in favor of giving his economic plans some time to see whether they would work or not. How naive I was.
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The coast guard is handling the spill clean up. Obama was probably advised that they didn't need that help, some of which came with a price tag as you can see from Al.
Ironic you now care about the wildlife, yesterday you were lamenting moving dredging to protect further ecosystem damage.
The hyperbole is rather ridiculous in this thread. Yes he alone destroyed it to pass cap and trade ::)
I guess idiots will congregate, spread their disinformation and 'boost' one anothers retarded CT's and 'theories' ::)
Sorry KC - when the State Senator spoke to Obama, he told him that the skimmers were not used for fear another oil spill might occur somewhere else.
You are making excuses for this negligent behavior that not even Obama is using.
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This administration approved $2 billion in loan guarentees for deep water drilling off Brazil by Petrobas. Big investor in Petrobas is George Soros, the president's pal. Really concerned about deep water drilling? NOT!
I like how this keeps getting avoided by the Obamabots.
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Straw will claim you are a right wing teahadist BF.
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Straw will claim you are a right wing teahadist BF.
Yes, anything to discredit anyone who doesn't swoon over Obama.
$2 billion in loan guarantees for drilling off the coast of Brazil while trying to ban drilling in the gulf by American firms. Really cares about this country (or deep water drilling, LOL). ::)
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I posted direct quotes from the Dutch Govt, the State Senator who spoke to Obama about the skimmers, etc, yet dolts like Straw, Mons, and Al choose to believe Dear Leader over people directly involved in this. ::) ::)
The Obamabots have quickly morphed into the very thing that was disgusting dureing the last admn - Bushbots.
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I posted direct quotes from the Dutch Govt, the State Senator who spoke to Obama about the skimmers, etc, yet dolts like Straw, Mons, and Al choose to believe Dear Leader over people directly involved in this. ::) ::)
The Obamabots have quickly morphed into the very thing that was disgusting dureing the last admn - Bushbots.
Yup, it's pretty sad.
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I posted direct quotes from the Dutch Govt, the State Senator who spoke to Obama about the skimmers, etc, yet dolts like Straw, Mons, and Al choose to believe Dear Leader over people directly involved in this. ::) ::)
The Obamabots have quickly morphed into the very thing that was disgusting dureing the last admn - Bushbots.
That's because we operate on a plane known as "reality".
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That's because we operate on a plane known as "reality".
::) ::)
Right Al -
The post office is doing great.
Cap & Trade isnt a tax hike
obamaCare is going to save everyone money.
The stim bill is a massive success.
Obama is a brilliant law scholar despite the fact that he never wrote a scholarly law article or work in his entire career.
KSM Trials in NYC are a great thing.
I got it, thats the "reality" you fringe kooks on the left live in. ::) ::)
The Dutch Govt was wrong, the state senator is wrong, Jindal is wrong, everyone is wrong but the brilliant Obama who never did a damn thing his entire life. He is the one who knows better than anyone else. Unreal.
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That's because we operate on a plane known as "reality".
"Reality" is that Obama gave a $2 billion loan to Soros's company so that they could drill off-shore. ;)
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"Reality" is that Obama gave a $2 billion loan to Soros's company so that they could drill off-shore. ;)
Reality is that Obama cares more about his golf game, beers, singing take me out to the ball game, than dealing with the gulf spill.
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The Dutch Govt was wrong, the state senator is wrong, Jindal is wrong, everyone is wrong but the brilliant Obama who never did a damn thing his entire life. He is the one who knows better than anyone else. Unreal.
Don't you ever criticize Dear Leader... :D
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No, I understood what he was saying... EVERYTHING HE COULD THINK OF, hoping something would stick to the wall. Just like the right wing dolts in this thread.
True it wasn't Cavuto, but that doesn't change the fact that dude tried to guide him back on course at least twice.
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The main point of his statement was all about following a legal process, and he gave some examples of the possible consequences of not doing so. Not all of these consequences are strictly confined to this situation but may apply to others as well when the people in charge are not following due process. There may be a collusion between the government and the offender in order to pass on the cost of the damages to the people. Another example could be a company that is illegally bled into bankruptcy for political gain.
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