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RP laying the common sense down. 

240 - watch and learn. 

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Did you watch that clip? There was no common sense to be found.  It was actually pretty pathetic.

RP didn't know whether or not he was defending poor BP from being beaten up by the big, bad government, or bashing BP for being a big government sponsored company who were getting off easy with cheap publicity stunts.

A lot like the posters on the right in this thread, he was basically just throwing anything at the wall to see what would stick.

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Did you watch that clip? There was no common sense to be found.  It was actually pretty pathetic.

RP didn't know whether or not he was defending poor BP from being beaten up by the big, bad government, or bashing BP for being a big government sponsored company who were getting off easy with cheap publicity stunts.

A lot like the posters on the right in this thread, he was basically just throwing anything at the wall to see what would stick.

 ::)  ::)

You really are clueless arnt you?  Seriously - have you read the threads about BP lobbying obama to pass cap & trade, the stim bill, the bailouts etc?  Have you read about their ties to obama via john podesta or did MSNBC happen to not report that?  BP is the class example of crony capitalism which RP and many others are against.  I guess you also missed the clip of sec. Chu saying BP was going to save the world.   

RP was saying that BP did the right thing by setting the money aisde since they are responasible regardless and whether its an escrow account or not, they are going to have to  since they are responsible and otherwise could be sued into bankruptcy, which might not be the best thing right now since its best if they are able to pay for the mess they made. 

Also, with regard to the moritorium, RP was again right.  Obama is not a dictator, as sad as that is to you libs, and thankfully the court stepped in and is stopping this power mad psycho. 

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::)  ::)

You really are clueless arnt you?  Seriously - have you read the threads about BP lobbying obama to pass cap & trade, the stim bill, the bailouts etc?  Have you read about their ties to obama via john podesta or did MSNBC happen to not report that?  BP is the class example of crony capitalism which RP and many others are against.  I guess you also missed the clip of sec. Chu saying BP was going to save the world.  

RP was saying that BP did the right thing by setting the money aisde since they are responasible regardless and whether its an escrow account or not, they are going to have to  since they are responsible and otherwise could be sued into bankruptcy, which might not be the best thing right now since its best if they are able to pay for the mess they made.  

eta-not only did rp veer all over the place, but Cavuto

Also, with regard to the moritorium, RP was again right.  Obama is not a dictator, as sad as that is to you libs, and thankfully the court stepped in and is stopping this power mad psycho.  

  ::) No, RP sounded like he was suffering from the early stages of dementia and you sound like you will grasp at any straw within pissing distance.  RP very clearly said that the escrow account was basically a pr move and that they were in bed with the government. Even in your reply, you attempt to have it both ways-  BP is the prime example of govenmental cronyism but was also being bullied into bankruptcy.  ::) Nothing about that interview was well reasoned, as is the case with most of the conspiracy theories posted in this thread.

eta-not only did rp veer madly off course, Cavuto tried desperately to steer him back into the "approved" talking points.

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IBD Editorials 
. Salazar's Ban Is Soros' Bonanza
 
Posted 06:49 PM ET
 



While the U.S. seeks to ban drilling in 500 feet of water, Brazil's Petrobras plans to go much deeper to tap oil and gas in a large area off the... View Enlarged Image
Energy Policy: Our interior secretary plans to reinstate the offshore drilling moratorium struck down by a federal judge. But if deep-water drilling is so unsafe, why are we helping Brazil drill nearly three times as deep?

Maybe Secretary Ken Salazar can explain why Britain and others can safely drill in the North Sea and no other nation has suspended its offshore drilling. Yet there he was Tuesday saying he'll reissue a reworded moratorium that will make it clear to dunces like U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman why offshore drilling is unsafe.

As with health care reform and other issues, the administration's position is that we didn't make it clear enough, so we will speak slower and use smaller words. But double talk is double talk no matter how you rearrange the words.

"The decision to impose a moratorium on deep-water drilling was and is the right decision," Salazar said, even after he was caught rewording a report so a team of experts he assembled would look like they supported the moratorium, when in fact, they adamantly opposed it and thought it would do more harm than the Deepwater Horizon spill itself.

"If some drilling equipment parts are flawed, is it rational to say all are?" Feldman asked in his ruling. "Are all airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon Valdez? All trains? All mines?

"That sort of thinking seems heavy-handed, and rather overbearing." Not for an administration and its environmentalist supporters whose collective goal is not to drill safely, but to drill not at all, at least not here.

Last August, the U.S. Export-Import Bank issued a "preliminary commitment" letter to Brazil's state-run Petrobras in the amount of $2 billion, with the promise of more to follow. Why are we lending billions to a foreign oil company that made $15 billion last year?

These taxpayer dollars finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Apparently there are no pristine beaches full of tourists there. Someday we may be importing that oil we're helping Brazil get at.
Has that letter been rescinded as part of the moratorium? Why are Brazil's offshore fields safe but ours aren't?

The irony is that most of the deep-water rigs idled by the moratorium may shortly be snapped up by a Petrobras apparently undeterred by images of tar balls on Rio's beaches. Petrobras plans to drill to a depth of 14,022 feet, a depth that makes our 500-foot limit laughable. Brazil is going big-game hunting, and we're stuck in the petting zoo.

A recent study by Science Applications International Corp. shows that failure to exploit our domestic and offshore resources translates into some $2.3 trillion in lost opportunity costs for the U.S. economy over the next two decades. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that exploiting these resources would generate nearly 160,000 well-paying jobs and $1.7 trillion in federal, state and local revenues, with $1.3 trillion from offshore drilling alone.

If the moratorium stands and energy prices rise, the only ones to profit will be foreign-owned companies such as Petrobras and investors such as George Soros, who has an investment in the oil giant in the neighborhood of $900 million. Yes, the same George Soros who also is a major investor in the Democratic Party and President Obama's 2008 campaign.

Soros would love to see domestic offshore drilling shut down and those three dozen deep-water rigs sitting idle shipped off to the coast of Brazil. He has a huge investment in both Petrobras and the Democrats. He expects a return on all his investments.

While we track the trail of oil gushing from Deepwater Horizon, we should also follow the money that will be gushing into George Soros' bank account, courtesy of the U.S. government and the American taxpayer.

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 ::) No, RP sounded like he was suffering from the early stages of dementia and you sound like you will grasp at any straw within pissing distance.  RP very clearly said that the escrow account was basically a pr move and that they were in bed with the government. Even in your reply, you attempt to have it both ways-  BP is the prime example of govenmental cronyism but was also being bullied into bankruptcy.  ::) Nothing about that interview was well reasoned, as is the case with most of the conspiracy theories posted in this thread.

eta-not only did rp veer madly off course, Cavuto tried desperately to steer him back into the "approved" talking points.


If you didn't understand what he was saying then you're the one with brain damage.  It wasnt Cavuto he was talking to either  moron.  ::)

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IBD Editorials 
. Salazar's Ban Is Soros' Bonanza
 
Posted 06:49 PM ET
 



While the U.S. seeks to ban drilling in 500 feet of water, Brazil's Petrobras plans to go much deeper to tap oil and gas in a large area off the... View Enlarged Image
Energy Policy: Our interior secretary plans to reinstate the offshore drilling moratorium struck down by a federal judge. But if deep-water drilling is so unsafe, why are we helping Brazil drill nearly three times as deep?

Maybe Secretary Ken Salazar can explain why Britain and others can safely drill in the North Sea and no other nation has suspended its offshore drilling. Yet there he was Tuesday saying he'll reissue a reworded moratorium that will make it clear to dunces like U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman why offshore drilling is unsafe.

As with health care reform and other issues, the administration's position is that we didn't make it clear enough, so we will speak slower and use smaller words. But double talk is double talk no matter how you rearrange the words.

"The decision to impose a moratorium on deep-water drilling was and is the right decision," Salazar said, even after he was caught rewording a report so a team of experts he assembled would look like they supported the moratorium, when in fact, they adamantly opposed it and thought it would do more harm than the Deepwater Horizon spill itself.

"If some drilling equipment parts are flawed, is it rational to say all are?" Feldman asked in his ruling. "Are all airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon Valdez? All trains? All mines?

"That sort of thinking seems heavy-handed, and rather overbearing." Not for an administration and its environmentalist supporters whose collective goal is not to drill safely, but to drill not at all, at least not here.

Last August, the U.S. Export-Import Bank issued a "preliminary commitment" letter to Brazil's state-run Petrobras in the amount of $2 billion, with the promise of more to follow. Why are we lending billions to a foreign oil company that made $15 billion last year?

These taxpayer dollars finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Apparently there are no pristine beaches full of tourists there. Someday we may be importing that oil we're helping Brazil get at.
Has that letter been rescinded as part of the moratorium? Why are Brazil's offshore fields safe but ours aren't?

The irony is that most of the deep-water rigs idled by the moratorium may shortly be snapped up by a Petrobras apparently undeterred by images of tar balls on Rio's beaches. Petrobras plans to drill to a depth of 14,022 feet, a depth that makes our 500-foot limit laughable. Brazil is going big-game hunting, and we're stuck in the petting zoo.

A recent study by Science Applications International Corp. shows that failure to exploit our domestic and offshore resources translates into some $2.3 trillion in lost opportunity costs for the U.S. economy over the next two decades. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that exploiting these resources would generate nearly 160,000 well-paying jobs and $1.7 trillion in federal, state and local revenues, with $1.3 trillion from offshore drilling alone.

If the moratorium stands and energy prices rise, the only ones to profit will be foreign-owned companies such as Petrobras and investors such as George Soros, who has an investment in the oil giant in the neighborhood of $900 million. Yes, the same George Soros who also is a major investor in the Democratic Party and President Obama's 2008 campaign.

Soros would love to see domestic offshore drilling shut down and those three dozen deep-water rigs sitting idle shipped off to the coast of Brazil. He has a huge investment in both Petrobras and the Democrats. He expects a return on all his investments.

While we track the trail of oil gushing from Deepwater Horizon, we should also follow the money that will be gushing into George Soros' bank account, courtesy of the U.S. government and the American taxpayer.

They can chose to do that, seeing as they have a alternative source of fuel---Sugar cane, and lots of it. While we were being stalwart in our  research to alternative fuels (thanks to BP and others) the Brazilians were busy researching on how Sugar Cane could be used.

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240 - can you defend Obama after hearing this? 

Can you honestly say that Obama is not making things worse after hearing what this communist agitator told this Senator - FROM YOUR STATE?


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If you didn't understand what he was saying then you're the one with brain damage.  It wasnt Cavuto he was talking to either  moron.  ::)

No, I understood what he was saying... EVERYTHING HE COULD THINK OF, hoping something would stick to the wall. Just like the right wing dolts in this thread.

True it wasn't Cavuto, but that doesn't change the fact that dude tried to guide him back on course at least twice.

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240 - can you defend Obama after hearing this?  

Can you honestly say that Obama is not making things worse after hearing what this communist agitator told this Senator - FROM YOUR STATE?



Admiral Thad Allen explaining why we're not using the super skimmers right now:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/06/allen-explains-why-oilsucking-tankers-arent-being-used.html?cid=6a00d8341c4df253ef0134836b4bf3970c

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“We’ve actually talked to those folks.  There are a couple of issues with that.  Number one, the tankers actually have to be modified.  They are not ready to go right now.  Number two, we don’t know what those modifications will do to the stability of the vessels and how they operate and number thee, the area of operations is very, very different.  We’ve got anywhere from 20 to 30 vessels within one square mile over the top of that well at any particular time, managing remotely operating vehicles, doing the drilling of the relief well and so forth, so I’m not sure it’s the right application of that right now.”

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Oil spill cleanup aid from overseas comes with a price tag
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/oil_spill_cleanup_aid_from_ove.html


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U.S. disaster aid is almost always free of charge; other nations expect the U.S. to pay for help.

"These offers are not typically offers of aid," said Lt. Erik Halvorson, a Coast Guard spokesman. "Normally, they are offers to sell resources to BP or the U.S. government."

And exactly what are those services we've turned down

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   * Britain, America's closest ally and headquarters to London-based BP, said it would sell chemical dispersants and containment boom for use cleaning up the spill. London's mayor, Boris Johnson, has previously complained about what he called "buck-passing and name-calling" in the U.S. against BP.
    * Russia, which received $70.5 million in U.S. aid last year and $78 million in 2008, said it could send boom, oil containers and ships if the U.S. paid for them.
    * China offered containment boom for a price. When a major earthquake struck in northwest China in April, the U.S. quickly gave $100,000 for relief supplies, and after another major earthquake in southwestern China in 2008, the U.S. donated $500,000 through the U.S. embassy in Beijing to the Red Cross to buy and deliver emergency supplies there. Congressional researchers estimate the U.S. spends roughly $30 million on foreign aid to China each year, including educational exchanges and health programs.
    * Israel, which receives roughly $3 billion in U.S. military aid and other assistance, also said it would send containment boom, if the U.S. paid for it.
    * France offered to send chemical dispersants and equipment to clean oil off birds but only for a price.
    * Kenya, which received more than $24 million in U.S. aid last year and $11 million in 2008 for humanitarian aid, offered to send fire boom but only if the Obama administration paid.
    * Vietnam offered a ship with oil-collecting sweep arms if the U.S. paid for it. The U.S. spent $102 million in all types of aid to Vietnam in 2008. When Typhoon Ketsana hit that country last fall, affecting 3 million people, the U.S. spent $100,000 on relief operations.
    * Romania made a "general offer of support" but asked the U.S. government for payment. After heavy rains sent in July 2008 sent four major rivers over their banks and killed five people, the U.S. gave $50,000 for emergency supplies.
    * Croatia offered to send technical experts and plans, for a price. The U.S. gave Croatia $50,000 to buy local firefighting equipment in 2007 when more than 800 wildfires broke out during an unusually hot and dry summer.

You get the idea

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hahaha 333 being beaten with the common sense stick.  It's pure alarmism and political pandering from him at this point.  He's trying to stick anything and everything he can into his CT's i'm surprised he hasn't put something in about kenyan interests yet.
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hahaha 333 being beaten with the common sense stick.  It's pure alarmism and political pandering from him at this point.  He's trying to stick anything and everything he can into his CT's i'm surprised he hasn't put something in about kenyan interests yet.

 ::)  ::)  This Senator spoke to Obama and the Dutch himself about the skimmers.  It speaks for itself.   

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::)  ::)  This Senator spoke to Obama and the Dutch himself about the skimmers.  It speaks for itself.   

Yawn.  Believe what you want, Al posted the truth stick to the CT's and political pandering.  It seems to be what you excel at, facts are not your forte.
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Yawn.  Believe what you want, Al posted the truth stick to the CT's and political pandering.  It seems to be what you excel at, facts are not your forte.

KC - Al posted excuses and bs to cover for the failures of this daily shit show admn.  This state senator spoke to Obama and Obama said the reason he would not give them the booms was because there were needed in case of another spill, not the bogus excuses put forward by al.  . 

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::)  ::)  This Senator spoke to Obama and the Dutch himself about the skimmers.  It speaks for itself.   

Prove it. 

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KC - Al posted excuses and bs to cover for the failures of this daily shit show admn.  This state senator spoke to Obama and Obama said the reason he would not give them the booms was because there were needed in case of another spill, not the bogus excuses put forward by al.  . 

 ::) this guy is going to say anything he can to look in the right.  He's doing what's needed for his political life if he came on and said 'we can't because of safety issue etc' people would accuse him of not doing enough so he's passing the buck.  He's making Obama the scapegoat so it looks like he's in the right and doing good for his people.  
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So the Dutch are in on this too KC?  The Dutch Gen. Counsel took obama to the woodshed over his incompetence as well.   

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So the Dutch are in on this too KC?  The Dutch Gen. Counsel took obama to the woodshed over his incompetence as well.   

Of course, man. It's ALWAYS everyone else's fault. It is never the glorious Obama's fault. He can do no wrong.

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So the Dutch are in on this too KC?  The Dutch Gen. Counsel took obama to the woodshed over his incompetence as well.   

1) who cares what the Dutch say i mean seriously.  The coast guard made the decision to not use Dutch ships for their own reasons.  It sure as hell isn't to 'make it worse' yeah you think that's the call from the top?  You're sounding like a 9/11 CTer. 

2) i'm not defending the incompetence of the government, i'm shooting down the stupid notion that this is all a CT to make it worse.  Absolute tin foil stuff.  Fact is NO ONE knows how to stop it, skimming ships are a minor part of the equation it's like tort reform in health care it's important but it's minor sh*t.  The major issue is the oil still flowing and the fact there was no plan or idea from ANYONE on how to solve an issue like this. 
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1) who cares what the Dutch say i mean seriously.  The coast guard made the decision to not use Dutch ships for their own reasons.  It sure as hell isn't to 'make it worse' yeah you think that's the call from the top?  You're sounding like a 9/11 CTer. 

2) i'm not defending the incompetence of the government, i'm shooting down the stupid notion that this is all a CT to make it worse.  Absolute tin foil stuff.  Fact is NO ONE knows how to stop it, skimming ships are a minor part of the equation it's like tort reform in health care it's important but it's minor sh*t.  The major issue is the oil still flowing and the fact there was no plan or idea from ANYONE on how to solve an issue like this. 

No, the Dutch spoke to the WH, not the coast guard.  Obama could have suspended the Jones Act and the Dutch were read on Day 3 to provide assistance, along with 17 other nations. 

Obama lied and turtles/seals/fish/craps/shrimp/sharks/whales/lobsters died.   

Sad but true. 

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No, the Dutch spoke to the WH, not the coast guard.  Obama could have suspended the Jones Act and the Dutch were read on Day 3 to provide assistance, along with 17 other nations. 

Obama lied and turtles/seals/fish/craps/shrimp/sharks/whales/lobsters died.   

Sad but true. 

I can't believe people are still sitting here and defending Obama's handling of this catastrophe. The man is personally responsible for destroying the gulf coast and the livelihoods of millions of American citizens.

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BF - I have have classified Obama voters into two categories. 

1.  The skeptical ones who were willing to give him a chance based on the horrific behavior of GWB and the fact that McCain was McSame and Palin, etc etc, yet were keeping an open mind and willing to suspend judgment.  I can understand that. 

2.  The die-hard true believer who actually bought into the Obama hype "Hope & Change" etc etc. 

The people in No. 1 know that things are seriously wrong and they did not think they were voting for anything remotely like we have gotten.  Fine, they are at least realizing the reality of what is occuring and can correct course in 2010 and 2012.

The people in No. 2 will never be swayed no matter what happens.  Its all Bushs' fault regardless and if Obama declared martial law, they would be fine with it. 



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No, the Dutch spoke to the WH, not the coast guard.  Obama could have suspended the Jones Act and the Dutch were read on Day 3 to provide assistance, along with 17 other nations. 

Obama lied and turtles/seals/fish/craps/shrimp/sharks/whales/lobsters died.   

Sad but true. 

The coast guard is handling the spill clean up.  Obama was probably advised that they didn't need that help, some of which came with a price tag as you can see from Al.  

Ironic you now care about the wildlife, yesterday you were lamenting moving dredging to protect further ecosystem damage.  

The hyperbole is rather ridiculous in this thread.  Yes he alone destroyed it to pass cap and trade  ::)

I guess idiots will congregate, spread their disinformation and 'boost' one anothers retarded CT's and 'theories'  ::)
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BF - I have have classified Obama voters into two categories. 

1.  The skeptical ones who were willing to give him a chance based on the horrific behavior of GWB and the fact that McCain was McSame and Palin, etc etc, yet were keeping an open mind and willing to suspend judgment.  I can understand that. 

2.  The die-hard true believer who actually bought into the Obama hype "Hope & Change" etc etc. 

The people in No. 1 know that things are seriously wrong and they did not think they were voting for anything remotely like we have gotten.  Fine, they are at least realizing the reality of what is occuring and can correct course in 2010 and 2012.

The people in No. 2 will never be swayed no matter what happens.  Its all Bushs' fault regardless and if Obama declared martial law, they would be fine with it. 




Hahaha, I was #1. I was even in favor of giving his economic plans some time to see whether they would work or not. How naive I was.