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Overwhelm the system
WAYNE ALLYN ROOT
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Barack Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.
Barack Obama was my college classmate ( Columbia University , class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University . They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?
-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."
-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.
-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America . But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.
-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America . The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.
-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it(except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramaticallly cut taxes in order to starve government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.
With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.
Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan.
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I have been warning you guys. Wake the hell up already!
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Im shocked someone remembers him.That alone is a shock.
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Overwhelm the system
WAYNE ALLYN ROOT
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Barack Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.
Barack Obama was my college classmate ( Columbia University , class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University . They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?
-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."
-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.
-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America . But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.
-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America . The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.
-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it(except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramaticallly cut taxes in order to starve government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.
With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.
Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan.
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I have been warning you guys. Wake the hell up already!
Hahaaaaaaa Obama never went to Columbia University 333's !!!. Did you forget ? ;D
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Wayne Allen Root knows Obama and said he went to dinner with him a few times. Look it up.
he said Obama is a committed communist in all respects.
What I mean is ,it seems NO ONE who went to school with him remembers him.No published papers.Its like he was a ghost ands his past is made up.
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333's wanting it both ways. As usual. ::)
Still waiting on Whitey Tape, Cheating Tape, Birther Tape, Obama didn't attend Columbia U. Tape... etc etc etc ::)
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So does this prove Obama did go to college?
This list is actually more reasonable and believable than "Obama got 3 colleges to completely fabricate his college records!"
Either way, this article destroys a whole lotta CTs. Either he went to school and believed this, or he didn't go to school and this dude lies.
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So does this prove Obama did go to college?
This list is actually more reasonable and believable than "Obama got 3 colleges to completely fabricate his college records!"
Either way, this article destroys a whole lotta CTs. Either he went to school and believed this, or he didn't go to school and this dude lies.
Can't 333's have it both ways? ;D
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Wayne Allen Root knows Obama and said he went to dinner with him a few times. Look it up.
he said Obama is a committed communist in all respects.
well I guess that settles it then
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seriously man - are you really an attorney?
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I believe Obama went to college,I believe all of that.I dont believe he was a great student or they would have released some of his papers.NONE have been released.So either he was brilliant but wrote papers showing and proving he is a racist socialist,or the papers werent that impressive.
Based on him when he goes off telepromter,Id say he wasnt much of a student and that part of his past is made up.
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posting this is a giant fail. 333 you're turning into the coach. a laughing stock when it comes to political posts.
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well I guess that settles it then
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seriously man - are you really an attorney?
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On various occasions, he has admitted that some of his posts are just to stir shit. I'd wager he doesn't buy into 90% of this shit, but he'll repost anything anti-Obama.
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On various occasions, he has admitted that some of his posts are just to stir shit. I'd wager he doesn't buy into 90% of this shit, but he'll repost anything anti-Obama.
I believe 100000000000% that obama is a marxist following the Cloard & Piven model to collapse the system. There is not a doubt in my mind when you consider the policies and actions Obama has taken from day 1.
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I believe 100000000000% that obama is a marxist following the Cloard & Piven model to collapse the system. There is not a doubt in my mind when you consider the policies and actions Obama has taken from day 1.
333 - what does Obama get when he "collapses the system" ?
what's in it for him?
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333 - what does Obama get when he "collapses the system" ?
what's in it for him?
666 gold ingots. Everybody knows that...get with the program. ::)
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666 gold ingots. Everybody knows that...get with the program. ::)
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he's better off being a suicide bomber
I heard those guys get 72 virgins in some sort of everlasting state of existence
I'm not really sure how it works but it seems like a bad deal for the virgins
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I posted this up 2 days ago on the G&O and got bashed by the libs up there :(
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I posted this up 2 days ago on the G&O and got bashed by the libs up there :(
Joe
what do you think Obama gets for collapsing teh system
he must be doing it for some reason
there must be some personal gain at some level
don't ya think?
what does he get out of it?
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The only thing he ever studied and wanted....power.
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333 - what does Obama get when he "collapses the system" ?
what's in it for him?
Obama is not in this for the $. He sees himself as getting revenge on the white middle class bourgious culture he feels of the root of all evil in the world. He has pretty much said so in his books, his choice of church, his policies, etc.
And let me ask you Straw - does someone who loves the nation ever say something like this:
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333 - what does Obama get when he "collapses the system" ?
what's in it for him?
"Warren Court was not radical and the tradgedy of the Civil Rights era was that it did not accomplished redistribution of wealth"
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The only thing he ever studied and wanted....power.
he's already POTUS dipshit
don't you think that's enough to satisfy his desire for power?
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Obama is not in this for the $. He sees himself as getting revenge on the white middle class bourgious culture he feels of the root of all evil in the world. He has pretty much said so in his books, his choice of church, his policies, etc.
And let me ask you Straw - does someone who loves the nation ever say something like this:
is revenge on teh white man part of that Cloward Piven thing your'e always ranting about?
since most coummunist revolutions included mass murder of dissidents do you think that's part of Obama's plan too
his desire for revenge is so great that he decided the best thing to do would be to destroy the very country where his family and children live?
btw - Obama had a pretty comfortable unbrigning so what is he seeking revenge for anyway?
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"Warren Court was not radical and the tradgedy of the Civil Rights era was that it did not accomplished redistribution of wealth"
so you're saying it all comes down to being an angry black man
that's the whole reason for Obama's secret plan to intentionally destroy America and replace it with Communism
was Bush in on this plan too because he did most of the heavy lifting on the "collapsing America" part of the plan
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Bush was a NWO type and i have bashed him endlessly.
As for Obama- Straw - just read his books, speeches, policies, who he surrounded himself with, etc
Listen to this and it sums up everything that Obama is about. Its a process, not an event.
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he's already POTUS dipshit
don't you think that's enough to satisfy his desire for power?
NO I don't think he thinks that at all. How much power did Hitler have or how much power does any dictator have or want? It's never enough. Not calling him a dictator (yet) but I have a feeling his aspirations are just that.
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Bush was a NWO type and i have bashed him endlessly.
As for Obama- Straw - just read his books, speeches, policies, who he surrounded himself with, etc
Listen to this and it sums up everything that Obama is about. Its a process, not an event.
time will tell if you're right or just a delusional crack pot
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hahaha the crackpot CT's on here. It's akin to the 9/11 truthers thinking it was a demolition.
Too much fanatical TV and hyperbole statements.
333 and The Coach are teaming up to film a new show called "what fantasy can i make up about Obama and believe is true"
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hahaha the crackpot CT's on here. It's akin to the 9/11 truthers thinking it was a demolition.
Too much fanatical TV and hyperbole statements.
333 and The Coach are teaming up to film a new show called "what fantasy can i make up about Obama and believe is true"
KC - have you ever watched these:
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I don't watch fiction posing as non-fiction. Sorry mate i deal in the real world, not the "shadow world". Maybe e-mail that to samson he's intent on believing in that rubbish.
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I don't watch fiction posing as non-fiction. Sorry mate i deal in the real world, not the "shadow world". Maybe e-mail that to samson he's intent on believing in that rubbish.
How do you know if its rubbish if you want watch it? Do you even know who is featured in it?
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How do you know if its rubbish if you want watch it? Do you even know who is featured in it?
Movies by tin foil hat wearers are not my priority.
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hahaha the crackpot CT's on here. It's akin to the 9/11 truthers thinking it was a demolition.
Too much fanatical TV and hyperbole statements.
333 and The Coach are teaming up to film a new show called "what fantasy can i make up about Obama and believe is true"
How much fucking evidence do you want?? I don't see anyone on any network even denying it, fuck, he doesn't even deny it!
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Movies by tin foil hat wearers are not my priority.
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of this presidency than to restore common sense and judgement to a depraved electorate willing to have him their president. The Rebublic can survive an Obama. It's less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.
So you are passing judgment without even watching it and forming your own opinion?
No wonder you voted for Obama.
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So you are passing judgment without even watching it and forming your own opinion?
No wonder you voted for Obama.
hahahahahaha watching delusional hyperbole is not being 'informed'
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hahahahahaha watching delusional hyperbole is not being 'informed'
How do you know its delusional hyperbole if you dont watch it?
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How do you know its delusional hyperbole if you dont watch it?
If it's recommended by you 333 it's pretty safe to say that it is.
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If it's recommended by you 333 it's pretty safe to say that it is.
So anyone who disagrees with Obama is delusional?
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How do you know if its rubbish if you want watch it? Do you even know who is featured in it?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've watched the obama deception. Nearly EVERY SINGLE PERSON interviewed and speaking in that video is also a 911 truther. I've read books by Marrs, Tarpley, and others. It's pretty funny that you value their word on Obama, but consider them lunatics for the 9 years of intense 911 research they've done. Leaders of the truth movement - and you agree with them 50% of the time!
LMAO!@!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've watched the obama deception. Nearly EVERY SINGLE PERSON interviewed and speaking in that video is also a 911 truther. I've read books by Marrs, Tarpley, and others. It's pretty funny that you value their word on Obama, but consider them lunatics for the 9 years of intense 911 research they've done. Leaders of the truth movement - and you agree with them 50% of the time!
LMAO!@!!!!!!!!!!
I don't consider them lunatics, but consider the theories they have posited as not feasible.
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I don't consider them lunatics, but consider the theories they have posited as not feasible.
dude, i've been reading these guys since, well, the clinton years LOL!!!
They were right about clinton (OKC, WTC93), right about bush (911), and right about obama.
They spend their lifes researching, writing and speaking - and they know more about these topics for decades than we ever will. Hell, Tarpley wrote all about Bush1.
So you think they're correct on Obama but wrong about Bush? What about Clinton?
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dude, i've been reading these guys since, well, the clinton years LOL!!!
They were right about clinton (OKC, WTC93), right about bush (911), and right about obama.
They spend their lifes researching, writing and speaking - and they know more about these topics for decades than we ever will. Hell, Tarpley wrote all about Bush1.
So you think they're correct on Obama but wrong about Bush? What about Clinton?
No, I think the 911 CT's fail for a variety of reasons, but I definately believe that GHWB, BJ, and GW were all NWO types.
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No, I think the 911 CT's fail for a variety of reasons, but I definately believe that GHWB, BJ, and GW were all NWO types.
How many hours have you spent listening to the 911 lectures of tarpley (logistics) and marrs (media manipulation)?
have you read their books?
If your answer is NO, then I don't know how you can say their 911 CTs fail. It's not some college kid making videos in his room. It's men in their 60s who have spent a lifetime studying this shit and can tell you every shady thing done by JFK, Ford, etc. They've been giving lectures for years on this.
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How many hours have you spent listening to the 911 lectures of tarpley (logistics) and marrs (media manipulation)?
have you read their books?
If your answer is NO, then I don't know how you can say their 911 CTs fail. It's not some college kid making videos in his room. It's men in their 60s who have spent a lifetime studying this shit and can tell you every shady thing done by JFK, Ford, etc. They've been giving lectures for years on this.
Because Tarpley is not the end all and be all on engineering. I said that there should be a new investigation, but from what I have read, whether it sht popular mechanic's site debunking all the CT's, the site with all the engineers debunking all the CT's, etc, I still havwe not seen anything remotely credible that refutes the fact that two planes hit the towers, a plane hit the pentagon, and the other went down ibn the field.
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Tarpley isn't an engineer, and doesn't focus all that much on that aspect. He lets others do that.
He talks more about the many inter-related systems that all had drills, breakdowns, 45 minute blocks of being offline, and in the case of one, completely had the day off on 911. Then the complete Griffin report on the 911 report omissions...
Eh, don't worry about it. Grown up shit, a little more than a blurbed pop mech article arguing with some loose change kids splicing together news footage.
Whatever dude. You shit your pants on 911, and so you'll believe every CT except that one youre emotionally involved with. You haven't done your research if you haven't read Tarpley. Hey, at least your eyes are open to some of the truth, so props for that.
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Tarpley isn't an engineer, and doesn't focus all that much on that aspect. He lets others do that.
He talks more about the many inter-related systems that all had drills, breakdowns, 45 minute blocks of being offline, and in the case of one, completely had the day off on 911. Then the complete Griffin report on the 911 report omissions...
Eh, don't worry about it. Grown up shit, a little more than a blurbed pop mech article arguing with some loose change kids splicing together news footage.
Whatever dude. You shit your pants on 911, and so you'll believe every CT except that one youre emotionally involved with. You haven't done your research if you haven't read Tarpley. Hey, at least your eyes are open to some of the truth, so props for that.
I didnt say I dont believe a CT was possible. I said based on what has been put forward so far, I cant conclude that 911 was a CT.
Also, if KSM didnt do it, why is he confesssing and declaring his innocence?
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Also, if KSM didnt do it, why is he confesssing and declaring his innocence?
Tarpley does about 10 pages on the employee known as KSM.
Come on dude, aside from the huge breakdown of KSM that he wrote which you'll never both reading, are you saying you ignore the 911 beliefs of all of these people because, well, some guy who hates america took credit for it. KSM also took credit for crimes falsely, it was later shown, remember?
I don't get it - sometimes you seem so intelligent and aware... other times you are willing to just overlook so much because your heart is tied to it. I can't fault ya... I'm emotional like that as well. I continually swear I'm done with arguments like these, and I always get sucked back into them. And I'm soft on obama the same way you're soft on the mountain of 911 questions. So we both love our country, we're probably both just still a little misguided :)
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Tarpley does about 10 pages on the employee known as KSM.
Come on dude, aside from the huge breakdown of KSM that he wrote which you'll never both reading, are you saying you ignore the 911 beliefs of all of these people because, well, some guy who hates america took credit for it. KSM also took credit for crimes falsely, it was later shown, remember?
I don't get it - sometimes you seem so intelligent and aware... other times you are willing to just overlook so much because your heart is tied to it. I can't fault ya... I'm emotional like that as well. I continually swear I'm done with arguments like these, and I always get sucked back into them. And I'm soft on obama the same way you're soft on the mountain of 911 questions. So we both love our country, we're probably both just still a little misguided :)
HA HAHAHAHAHAH
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The only thing he ever studied and wanted....power.
He must be the Antichrist..I'm convinced more and more. :)
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He must be the Antichrist..I'm convinced more and more. :)
No, just a marxist chicago street hustler who never held a real job in his life who has delusionals of granduer and world domination.
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haha for real, when we get old, we'll be like everyone else. Just shrug it off, call it the way of the world, and smoke our pipe and read the sunday Comics!
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No, just a marxist chicago street hustler who never held a real job in his life who has delusionals of granduer and world domination.
How can you dominate the world or achieve that goal if you purposely wreck your own country?? That sounds pretty dumb to me .... ;D
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How can you dominate the world or achieve that goal if you purposely wreck your own country?? That sounds pretty dumb to me .... ;D
I think that one of his goals is to be apponted as head of the UN and convince them to appoint him there as President for life.
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I think that one of his goals is to be apponted as head of the UN and convince them to appoint him there as President for life.
so he can dominate the world as head of UN? .... :o Holy shit I never thought about it that way!!!!! :o we have to make people aware of his evil plan.... ;D C'MMON DUDE...... ::)
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No, just a marxist chicago street hustler who never held a real job in his life who has delusionals of granduer and world domination.
He is POTUS and according to you on track to intetionally destroy our country and install Communism so you can't really call it a delusion
An actual example of a delusion would be you thinking Obama wants Communism because he's an angry black guy out for revenge. I've asked you many times who else is part of this commie conspiracy. How about it. Surely some of his cabinet must be in on it too right?
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Maybe his cabinet doesn't have a clue about it. Without proof of their involvement, I don't think we can call them for it.
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Maybe his cabinet doesn't have a clue about it. Without proof of their involvement, I don't think we can call them for it.
You mean the Star Wars bar scene crew?
What disaster that is from salazaar to napolitano, etc.
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I believe 100000000000% that obama is a marxist following the Cloard & Piven model to collapse the system. There is not a doubt in my mind when you consider the policies and actions Obama has taken from day 1.
Obama is fascist....***
***post is Kissinger approved
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I think that one of his goals is to be apponted as head of the UN and convince them to appoint him there as President for life.
Um, so "one" of his goals is to completely run the world, in a position which does not yet exist.
He'll attain this position by destroying the one superpower he runs - this will prove to the other nations' leaders his competence.
What are the other goals? Spend a night with Kim Kardashian and dig a tunnel from Texas to China?
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Um, so "one" of his goals is to completely run the world, in a position which does not yet exist.
He'll attain this position by destroying the one superpower he runs - this will prove to the other nations' leaders his competence.
What are the other goals? Spend a night with Kim Kardashian and dig a tunnel from Texas to China?
LOL! - exactly
the guy is already the most powerful person on the planet but that was just a necessary stepping stone to his true plan of destroying the country he runs in the hope that he can then control the world
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LOL! - exactly
the guy is already the most powerful person on the planet but that was just a necessary stepping stone to his true plan of destroying the country he runs in the hope that he can then control the world
When I say some people are seriously paranoid when it comes to anything Obama does I am dead serious. They will try to find any validation and justify their paranoid scenarios trough any means and use any piece of "information" as long as it's conveniently fitting their conspiracies. ;) Common sense does not exist in their world.
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Obama Espoused Radical Views in College
Monday, 08 Feb 2010 09:42 PM Article Font Size
By: Ronald Kessler
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As a college student, Barack Obama expressed Marxist views, including the need for a new socialist U.S. government, according to a student who says he shared the future president’s opinion at the time.
Such views by a college student may not be surprising. And like most students who hold radical views, Obama’s positions, at least publicly, have evolved substantially.
However, this new window on Obama’s youth and early political thinking demonstrates how little is known about the background of America’s 44th president.
Dr. John C. Drew, a grant writing consultant in Laguna Niguel, Calif., tells Newsmax he met Obama in 1980 when Obama was a sophomore at Occidental College in Los Angeles. Drew had just graduated from Occidental and was attending graduate school at Cornell University.
Drew’s then girlfriend, Caroline Boss — now Grauman-Boss — knew Obama because she shared classes with him at Occidental.
During Christmas break, Drew says he was at Grauman-Boss’ home in Palo Alto when Obama came over with Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, his roommate from Pakistan.
“Barack and Hasan showed up at the house in a BMW, and then we went to a restaurant together,” Drew says. “We had a nice meal, and then we came back to the house and smoked cigarettes and drank and argued politics.”
For the next several hours, they discussed Marxism.
“He was arguing a straightforward Marxist-Leninist class-struggle point of view, which anticipated that there would be a revolution of the working class, led by revolutionaries, who would overthrow the capitalist system and institute a new socialist government that would redistribute the wealth,” says Drew, who says he himself was then a Marxist.
“The idea was basically that wealthy people were exploiting others,” Drew says. “That this was the secret of their wealth, that they weren’t paying others enough for their work, and they were using and taking advantage of other people. He was convinced that a revolution would take place, and it would be a good thing.”
Drew concluded that Obama thought of himself as “part of an intelligent, radical vanguard that was leading the way towards this revolution and towards this new society.”
In contrast, “My more pessimistic Marxist perspective indicated this was not a realistic possibility, that we really hadn’t seen a sort of complete revolution take place anywhere in Western Europe, and that this isn’t what had happened in more socialistic Germany or in France,” Drew says. “He was pretty persistent, that I didn’t know what I was talking about.”
Drew’s viewpoint that a revolution was unrealistic “made me very unpopular that evening. It was considered a reactionary and insensitive thing to argue,” says Drew.
Drew saw Obama again at a party Obama and Chandoo gave in June 1981 at the house they shared. Drew went on to become an assistant professor of political science at Williams College.
In 1981, Obama left Occidental to attend Columbia University. During that year, Obama spent “about three weeks” visiting Chandoo and his family in Karachi, Pakistan, according to the account of Obama spokesman Bill Burton during the campaign.
Chandoo is now a financial consultant who was formerly a broker at Oppenheimer & Co. He has contributed to Obama’s campaign and helped raise more than $100,000 for him as a bundler.
“If that’s what John Drew said, that’s what he said,” Chandoo commented. “I can’t remember Obama ever talking like that. It sounds a bit absurd to me, but that’s my opinion. I can’t remember him ever expressing an interest in being a Marxist.”
Much of what is known about Obama’s past has been revealed and defined by Obama himself, largely through his two bestselling books “Dreams from My Father” and “The Audacity of Hope.”
In these works and throughout his career, Obama has clearly identified with the oppressed. In “Dreams from My Father” Obama details how white settlers and sugar companies came to dominate and exploit his native Hawaii.
In that memoir, Obama said that at Occidental, “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.”
As president, Obama has espoused the view that the rich are not sharing their wealth with the less fortunate. In a Sept. 6, 2001, radio interview, Obama expressed regret that the Supreme Court hadn’t engaged in wealth redistribution.
In some ways, Obama’s opinions about American-style capitalism seem to mirror the views of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., Obama’s minister who was his self-described mentor and “sounding board” for 20 years. Wright’s “Black Value System” denounced “our racist competitive society” and included the disavowal of the pursuit of “middle-classness.”
The Black Value System defined “middle-classness” as a way American society seduced blacks into achieving economic success, thus snaring them rather than “killing them off directly.”
In a similar vein, when he discussed politics with him in 1980, Drew says that in Obama’s view, “America was definitely the enemy, and American elites were the enemy, and whatever America was doing was definitely wrong and bad. He thought that perhaps the Soviet Union was misunderstood, and it was doing a better job for its people than most people realized.”
Chandoo said he doesn’t know which professors Obama was referring to in his book. Asked when he last saw Obama, Chandoo said he has not seen nor talked with him since before Obama became a U.S. senator. However, under “community member,” the White House listed Chandoo as a guest at Obama’s Ramadan dinner last fall.
When asked about that, Chandoo acknowledged from his home in Armonk, N.Y., that he attended the dinner. Despite the fact that fewer than 70 people were in attendance, Chandoo added, “I did not get a chance to see the boss.” He then said he shook hands with Obama in a receiving line.
Chandoo said he has been in touch with Caroline Grauman-Boss over the years. She did not respond to a request for comment.
Burton, now deputy White House press secretary, also did not respond to a request for comment.
Drew’s encounter with Obama’s early political thinking adds to the mystery that has shrouded his past.
For more than a year during the campaign, the media were aware of Obama’s ties with the Rev. Wright, for example, but the press did not reveal them until Obama was far ahead in the primaries.
Obama has contributed to the lack of knowledge about his past by refusing to release early documentation about his life, including his college and Harvard Law School transcripts and his senior thesis at Columbia.
Referring to Obama’s quote from “Dreams from My Father” that he associated with Marxist professors, Drew says, “What he’s not saying is that he was in 100 percent total agreement with those Marxist professors. When you understand that, Obama’s later associations and policies make more sense, including why he was taken in by Rev. Wright’s ideology.”
In 1983 and 1984, Drew says he came to realize that his own Marxist views were rubbish. He now considers himself a conservative.
In contrast, Drew says, Obama has never revealed how his political thinking evolved and “what were the logical steps he took to get out of his Marxist world view.”
Ronald Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com. View his previous reports and get his dispatches sent to you free via e-mail. Go here now.
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true or not, doesn't matter dude.
stick with the economy and the war. the rest is distraction. how many billions did obama borrow today that nobody noticed cause you and trump were screaming about varieties of live birth certificates? oh brother...
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true or not, doesn't matter dude.
stick with the economy and the war. the rest is distraction. how many billions did obama borrow today that nobody noticed cause you and trump were screaming about varieties of live birth certificates? oh brother...
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Obama: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
posted by Wayne Allyn Root on Aug 05, 2011
By Wayne Allyn Root, Former Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee
Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University Class of '83). I tried to warn the country that virtually all of my classmates and professors were marxist, despised America, and wanted to bring down capitalism. I tried to warn the country that Obama would follow the detailed plan of two Columbia professors named Cloward and Piven- a plan designed to destroy capitalism by overwhelming the U.S. economy with government spending, regulations, entitlements, taxes and debt.
That is precisely why I authored one of the most popular commentaries on the entire Internet in 2010 entitled “The Obama Economic Plan- Purposely Overwhelming the System to Cause Crisis and Destroy Capitalism.” I predicted Obama’s radical tax and spend policies were designed to crash the system with debt, bring us to our knees, starve business owners (the biggest contributors to his political opposition), make us all doubt capitalism, and dependent on big government. It’s all come to pass.
I’ve written about this plan for 2 ½ years now. My commentaries have predicted the destruction of the U.S. economy under Barack Obama, the decimation of small business and the middle class, and the start of not only the Obama Great Depression, but what I called “the Greatest Depression ever.”
Afterall when the first Great Depression began in 1929, our country had very little debt. We had no obligations for welfare, food stamps, Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid. We had no illegal immigrants bankrupting our public schools and hospitals. We didn't have 21 million government employees with bloated salaries and unfunded $100,000 pensions. We had no Obamacare with an obligation to pay for the medical bills of every American.
Back in 1929, we also had a nation filled with hard-working citizens who believed in personal initiative and personal responsibility. All of that has changed dramatically. Those modern government programs, entitlements and obligations add up to national catastrophe as we enter this new Obama Great Depression.
I wrote the commentary entitled “Obama The Great Jobs Killer.” Time magazine quoted my line “Obama has killed so many jobs, he should be on top of the FBI's Most Wanted List.” That was well over a year ago. What is happening today makes the economy and unemployment picture back then look like child’s play.
I wrote “Obamageddon” a year ago about the wreckage of the U.S. economy from sea to shining sea. Today that wreckage is larger than even I imagined back then.
I wrote “The Unraveling of a Ponzi Scheme," “Obama- the Marxist in the Mirror,” and “The Obama Teleprompter Depression.” All of them had a common theme- Obama’s goal was to target, demonize and punish the wealthy and small business owners- the very groups that pay all the taxes and create all the jobs. I predicted that the result would be economic crisis and collapse.
I wrote “The Strike- Why the Rich are Going on Strike Against Obama.” I explained why as a result of Obama’s rhetoric and policies against the rich, America’s job creators were going on strike. I predicted the economic decline would accelerate because business owners would stop producing, stop hiring, in response to being punished for their success. Each day these predictions are confirmed by alarming new economic reports.
I wrote that Obama’s debt rampage wasn’t just suicide for Obama's political career. It would bring us all down in a murder/suicide. The entire U.S. economy would come down upon not only taxpayers today, but our children and grandchildren for decades to come.
I wrote a commentary many months ago entitled “The Greatest Depression of All Time Has Begun.” And so it has.
Obama has ruined this economy from sea to shining sea. From the Gulf Coast economy, to the Florida Space Coast economy. From small business, to WalMart, whose most recent sales show a dramatic and frightening slowdown in customer traffic. From a complete real estate collapse, to now a complete stock market meltdown. It’s all crashing down upon us.
It’s true that the odds of Obama’s re-election just went down in a ball of flames, along with the Dow Jones Industrial Average. But no matter- Obama has accomplished his goal. He has taken down the entire U.S. economy with him. He has trashed the political opposition- small business owners who fund conservative candidates and causes. He has overseen the decimation of the middle class homeowners and stock owners who vote conservative. He has left retirees with few assets- houses worthless, retirement accounts decimated, bank savings eroded by massive inflation. He has made 50 states into welfare queens begging for bailouts from the federal government. The nation is severely overwhelmed, right out of the playbook of Cloward and Piven.
Obama has left in his wake a U.S. economy in ruins. He has made many of us doubt capitalism. He has turned the American Dream into a nightmare. He has brought tens of millions in society to their knees begging for government to save them. Even though it is government that made them dependent in the first place. He has convinced the masses that government feels their pain, even though it is government that caused it. He has enslaved us all under an avalanche of debt so massive it’s unimaginable, and of course unsustainable. He has turned hope into a 4 letter word.
Congratulations Mr. Obama. Mission Accomplished.
Wayne Allyn Root is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee. He now serves as Chairman of the Libertarian National Campaign Committee. He is the best-selling author of "The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold & Tax Cuts." His web site:
www.ROOTforAmerica.com
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OH YEAH - STRAW, MAL, VINCE, BLACKASS, 180, AND THE OTHER DOPES NO BETTER. ::) ::)
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333 - one of your classmates told me you were a stark raving idiot
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333 - one of your classmates told me you were a stark raving idiot
Which one? Name please?
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Why would anyone give a rat's ass to what one of Obama's classmate thought??? So he was in a class with him, big fucking deal.
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Why would anyone give a rat's ass to what one of Obama's classmate thought??? So he was in a class with him, big fucking deal.
He knows obama. Also, the other guy who hung out w bam a said he's a Marxist as well.
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He knows obama. Also, the other guy who hung out w bam a said he's a Marxist as well.
He was a classmate of his in 1983. Wasn't a friend of confidant or worked for him or hung out with him....just sat in class with him and 60 other people. There are thousands of people who could claim that he was his classmate.
So again, why should anyone care.....Next
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Maybe because obama is actually intent on collapsing the nation?
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BY OBAMA!
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/columbia-classmate-obama-using-irs-to-punish-me
big surprise ::)
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Maybe because obama is actually intent on collapsing the nation?
And yet he is doing a worse job at collapsing the nation than Bush who didnt. Go figure ::)