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Is Fedor Emelianenko, the Greatest Heavyweight Ever, Fighting in the Wrong Weight Class?
by JonathanSnowden on Jun 27, 2010 1:58 AM EDT in News
Fedor Emelianenko has dominated the competition for years looking much like he did tonight. The man famous for his ice cream cones, well, looks like a man who is intimately familiar with ice cream cones. Fedor weighed in for his main event contest with Fabricio Werdum at 229 pounds. And that was a soft 229 pounds.
If you were describing Fedor's physique in a single word it might be "doughy." Tonight he was sporting love handles that would be too much for even the mammoth pawed Shane Carwin to grab in a single handful. In the past, when Fedor was younger, quicker, and stronger, this wasn't a huge issue. Against today's crop of giant heavyweights? It can make all the difference.
We saw Fedor get bulled around the cage by a green Brett Rogers. Tonight, he looked like a much smaller man than Fabricio Werdum. And, scarily enough, at 6-4 and 238 well proportioned pounds, Werdum is not a big heavyweight. It's no longer 2005-and Fedor Emelianenko is no longer the fighter he once was. To compete realistically against the best fighters of the modern era, Emelianenko needs to be physical equals with the man staring across the cage at him. In short, Fedor needs to drop to 205 pounds.
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He loves fighting bigger and hevier people because it almost always gives him a speed advantage.
He would be able to "reach" 202 without a fucking problem though.
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that is what makes Fedor so great. He doesnt cut weight. He isnt too scared to fight at his legit weight, unlike everyone in the ufc below LHW
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He isn't too scared to fight his legit weight as long as it's cans outside of the UFC. LOL!!!!
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He isn't too scared to fight his legit weight as long as it's cans outside of the UFC. LOL!!!!
LOL!
This was a lose-lose fight for Fedor in your eyes and you know it. If he won, it is because he was fighting cans. If he lost, he is old and washed up.
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Goes to show you people don't know sh*t about mma.
This isn't heavyweight boxing where a 6'6" 250 boxer is simply too much for a 6'1' 225 boxer....it's completely different.
Fedor got caught because he was sleeping. Anybody that studies these fighters and know their tendencies knows fedor usually sweeps the opponents legs completely to the side and goes in heavy on his GNP THEN if if doesn't result in a finish he backs away and allows the stand up. Simple and fuc'n plain. He didn't do any of that last night...not to mention there was no sweat...it was early in first so you can't gamble like that when you are dry...don't know WTF he was thinking if you ask me against a 100% BJJ guy with ZERO stand imo.
anyway.....the ONLY and I mean ONLY mofo who don't care about getting caught in that position dry or not is rampage....he will try a slam and more than likely WILL slam your ass in that position. He is the only cat that doesn't care. Fedor got cocky and lost b/c of it imo.
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LOL!
This was a lose-lose fight for Fedor in your eyes and you know it. If he won, it is because he was fighting cans. If he lost, he is old and washed up.
Exactly what I've been saying all along. There is NO shame in losing to top competition as all UFC fighters do, since they are fighting the best.
But, when you fight a bunch of cans, you can build a great record. But if you lose, you lose big.
Fedor just learned this the hard way.
Lol!!!!
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Exactly what I've been saying all along. There is NO shame in losing to top competition as all UFC fighters do, since they are fighting the best.
But, when you fight a bunch of cans, you can build a great record. But if you lose, you lose big.
Fedor just learned this the hard way.
Lol!!!!
Mindspin, I used to like 99% of what you post, but seriously, you are a fucking idiot.
Just come out and say it, You dont like Fedor because everyone else loves him and hes the top dog. Just fucking say it.
Youre one of those guys that "has to be different" and "has to do it your way"
Since Fedor has all those fucking nuthuggers and everyone puts him as a god, you have to hate him. Thats all it is.
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Mindspin, I used to like 99% of what you post, but seriously, you are a fucking idiot.
Just come out and say it, You dont like Fedor because everyone else loves him and hes the top dog. Just fucking say it.
Youre one of those guys that "has to be different" and "has to do it your way"
Since Fedor has all those fucking nuthuggers and everyone puts him as a god, you have to hate him. Thats all it is.
LOL. While all that is true, it widely believed (although not confirmed) that Mindspin has a vested interest in the UFC. ;)
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LOL. While all that is true, it widely believed (although not confirmed) that Mindspin has a vested interest in the UFC. ;)
he is unemployed....he doesnt have vested interest in anything.....
bench
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Pretty sure Dana has all the mods of popular mma forums on his accounts payable list.
Their duties include deleting threads that praise Fedor, and constantly talking about how great the UFC is and its fighters.
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Pretty sure Dana has all the mods of popular mma forums on his accounts payable list.
Their duties include deleting threads that praise Fedor, and constantly talking about how great the UFC is and its fighters.
Wouldn't put it past him
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K1 you were slightly wrong on your analysis but at least your 95% there unlike most of these morons. he wasnt sleeping, his striking was spot on as usual, then he swept both feet aside for the gnp as usual, then........ this is how he lost....... he went to grab werdums left leg when he was trying to pull guard to sweep them away to the side for a second time, he missed his leg and pushed his arm straight into guard. simple mistake but had he caught that shin as planned there is no doubt in my mind the ref would have been stopping the bout 30 seconds later with a differet result.
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humble to the end or is it the start?
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K1 you were slightly wrong on your analysis but at least your 95% there unlike most of these morons. he wasnt sleeping, his striking was spot on as usual, then he swept both feet aside for the gnp as usual, then........ this is how he lost....... he went to grab werdums left leg when he was trying to pull guard to sweep them away to the side for a second time, he missed his leg and pushed his arm straight into guard. simple mistake but had he caught that shin as planned there is no doubt in my mind the ref would have been stopping the bout 30 seconds later with a differet result.
you are correct.
I reviewed this again a few hours ago.....that cage trapped him into that also if you watch him try to perform it all in one move to get side mount and release hammers from the side. Werdum time it perfectly and turned towards the cage on that same side and trapped him. Werdum used that cage perfectly and locked in those subs nicely.
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If he won, it is because he was fighting cans. If he lost, he is old and washed up.
This statement holds true for alot of people on this board, on both sides of the UFC/whatever org they are supporting coin.
LOL, just stfu and watch people beat each other up for our amusement, how hard can that be?
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a real man fights men his own size or bigger
Mr. Emelianenko is too much of a real man to fight smaller men
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a real man fights men his own size or bigger
Mr. Emelianenko is too much of a real man to fight smaller men
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The biggest men are all in the UFC ::) the two biggest are fighting this coming weekend.
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Goes to show you people don't know sh*t about mma.
This isn't heavyweight boxing where a 6'6" 250 boxer is simply too much for a 6'1' 225 boxer....it's completely different.
Fedor got caught because he was sleeping. Anybody that studies these fighters and know their tendencies knows fedor usually sweeps the opponents legs completely to the side and goes in heavy on his GNP THEN if if doesn't result in a finish he backs away and allows the stand up. Simple and fuc'n plain. He didn't do any of that last night...not to mention there was no sweat...it was early in first so you can't gamble like that when you are dry...don't know WTF he was thinking if you ask me against a 100% BJJ guy with ZERO stand imo.
anyway.....the ONLY and I mean ONLY mofo who don't care about getting caught in that position dry or not is rampage....he will try a slam and more than likely WILL slam your ass in that position. He is the only cat that doesn't care. Fedor got cocky and lost b/c of it imo.
I was actually really surprised Fedor didn't try for a slam.. but after seeing the replay that triangle was in DEEP.
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The biggest men are all in the UFC ::) the two biggest are fighting this coming weekend.
how exactly has Mr. Emelianenko been "exposed"?
exposed as a human and not a cyborg?
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Mindspin, I used to like 99% of what you post, but seriously, you are a fucking idiot.
Just come out and say it, You dont like Fedor because everyone else loves him and hes the top dog. Just fucking say it.
Youre one of those guys that "has to be different" and "has to do it your way"
Since Fedor has all those fucking nuthuggers and everyone puts him as a god, you have to hate him. Thats all it is.
100% truth right there
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Mindspin is 100% correct on all issues regarding Fedor, Lesnar, and UFC. Sorry, but he is.
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I'm sorry but I've never been impressed with Fedor. He looks really dominating against cans and guys that washed out of the UFC. He's a talented and tough fighter no doubt. However, it's a fact that he hasn't been fighting the best heavyweights in the world for quite some time. His resume doesn't read like a who's who, it' more of a.....who?. I'm not going to say he's all hype but his so-called legacy is overblown.
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Mindspin, I used to like 99% of what you post, but seriously, you are a fucking idiot.
Just come out and say it, You dont like Fedor because everyone else loves him and hes the top dog. Just fucking say it.
Youre one of those guys that "has to be different" and "has to do it your way"
Since Fedor has all those fucking nuthuggers and everyone puts him as a god, you have to hate him. Thats all it is.
I will say that across most MMA boards, Fedor is not well liked. Most true fans are frustrated that Fedor was not fighting the fights people wanted to see. Rankings are one thing, but Fedor's antics are very frustrating. Then to top it off, he was ranked #1 while fighting sub-par talent.
He dodged Overeem, and the UFC, then fights Rodgers and Werdum, a #10 ranked UFC reject. Who really wanted to see this fight?
He then loses in the first few minutes of the fight, and spoils any type of match with real HW's in the UFC or with Overeem.
In he end, Fedor screwed us and was exposed. His legend of an era status will remain, but his rankings will rightfully decline.
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Welcome to mindspins world - where a guy 6 feet 4 and 238lbs is apparently small!!
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Welcome to mindspins world - where a guy 6 feet 4 and 238lbs is apparently small!!
These guys cut to hit a lean 265 and are a lean 280+ on fight day.
Still think Fedor is big?
(http://purowrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/purowrestling.com/wrestling/brock-lesnar-shane-carwin.jpg)
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I will say that across most MMA boards, Fedor is not well liked. Most true fans are frustrated that Fedor was not fighting the fights people wanted to see. Rankings are one thing, but Fedor's antics are very frustrating. Then to top it off, he was ranked #1 while fighting sub-par talent.
He dodged Overeem, and the UFC, then fights Rodgers and Werdum, a #10 ranked UFC reject. Who really wanted to see this fight?
He then loses in the first few minutes of the fight, and spoils any type of match with real HW's in the UFC or with Overeem.
In he end, Fedor screwed us and was exposed. His legend of an era status will remain, but his rankings will rightfully decline.
name the boards hotshot...
actually provide links to where Fedor is not liked by the majority..
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name the boards hotshot...
actually provide links to where Fedor is not liked by the majority..
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Find them yourself...I have better things to post and say.
Fedor will no longer be ranked #1 in the HW rankings or on any p4P.
Is that proof enough? His time is up, a new era has begun ;D
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;D ;D ;D
you just got owned...
its you who hates Fedor..
just sad you couldn't back up your post :-*
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These guys cut to hit a lean 265 and are a lean 280+ on fight day.
Still think Fedor is big?
(http://purowrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/purowrestling.com/wrestling/brock-lesnar-shane-carwin.jpg)
I was talking about Werdum
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;D ;D ;D
you just got owned...
its you who hates Fedor..
just sad you couldn't back up your post :-*
Fedor's loss back me up just fine Chump :o
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I was talking about Werdum
Werdum IS small compared to these monsters as well...
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I'm sorry but I've never been impressed with Fedor. He looks really dominating against cans and guys that washed out of the UFC. He's a talented and tough fighter no doubt. However, it's a fact that he hasn't been fighting the best heavyweights in the world for quite some time. His resume doesn't read like a who's who, it' more of a.....who?. I'm not going to say he's all hype but his so-called legacy is overblown.
name one fighter that is more respected by his peers
name a heavyweight with a more impressive resume
you are dumb
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name one fighter that is more respected by his peers
name a heavyweight with a more impressive resume
you are dumb
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That resume is outstanding in regards to Fedor being a legend of his era.
Fedor ruled the HW's for years, but that era is gone now.
Taking nothing away from what he accomplished....Fedor is not the currently the best HW, or is he fighting the fights that most fans want to see.
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That resume is outstanding in regards to Fedor being a legend of his era.
Fedor ruled the HW's for years, but that era is gone now.
Taking nothing away from what he accomplished....Fedor is not the currently the best HW, or is he fighting the fights that most fans want to see.
I think Fedor's legendary status is questionable. Half of his wins were against guys who were the absolute definition of "cans".
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I think Fedor's legendary status is questionable. Half of his wins were against guys who were the absolute definition of "cans".
and who has a better resume for the 100th time ::) ::)
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I think Fedor's legendary status is questionable. Half of his wins were against guys who were the absolute definition of "cans".
I have exaggerated the talent that Fedor has faced in the past, and even fallen victim to the mystique that was created around him. After refreshing my memory, and analyzing the fighters he faced, I was entirely wrong.
Seriously, he has fought a shit-load of cans from early on as well. Some were not necessarily cans when Fedor fought them, but they went on to become nothing in the sport of MMA.
Fedor was legendary at fooling people more than anything else.
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and who has a better resume for the 100th time ::) ::)
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Jeremy Horn 84 - 19 - 5
That is an impressive record right there ;D
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and who has a better resume for the 100th time ::) ::)
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Earl, I actually enjoy debating with you because you actually put some thought into your points, wrong as they may be.
To me, a record is meaningless if it it padded with a bunch of no-name fighters that have 1-2 fights on their record. Look through all of Fedor's wins. MOST were against guys who had 5 or less fights or who lost more fights than they won. That's WEAK!
I think what made Fedor great, was what he did during his prime years in Pride. He did face the best guys of that era and beat them (Cro-cop, Nog, etc.). But, since then, all he did was fight carefully chosen opponents in hopes of padding his record and continuing to cash in. That backfired on him this weekend.
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and who has the better resume?
who was more dominant over a decade?
still waiting for the names of these fighters that are "superior" to Mr. Emelianenko
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and who has the better resume?
who was more dominant over a decade?
still waiting for the names of these fighters that are "superior" to Mr. Emelianenko
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As I have said before, Fedor was the best of an ERA, but that ERA is over.
Saying Fedor is not CURRENTLY the best is taking nothing away from his PAST achievements, just as his PAST achievements can not carry him forever either.
Hopefully this is clear enough for you. And as MS has stated, I do appreciate the thought you put into your posts. Much better then all the Dick N Ball talk these chumps resort to on here.
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for the ufc guy's ::) ::) ::)
The ufc doesn't have the best heavyweights...
You have a champ with a 4-1 record... that's what you call a padded record...
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Fedor's loss back me up just fine Chump :o
one loss.. wow you owned me.... ::)
keeping on being a UFC guy..
99% of the board laughs at your posts :-\
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for the ufc guy's ::) ::) ::)
The ufc doesn't have the best heavyweights...
You have a champ with a 4-1 record... that's what you call a padded record...
And a #1 Ranked HW as well :o
Damn that sounds good!!
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one loss.. wow you owned me.... ::)
keeping on being a UFC guy..
99% of the board laughs at your posts :-\
Laugh all you want, I was right all along about Fedor.
I wouldn't have it any other way!
"Can't soar like an eagle, if you run with the turkey's!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;D
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The Fedor nuthuggers are in denial. The dude fights cans and UFC washouts and he has for quite a long time. Any reasonable person would admit that. His reputation is overblown.
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The Fedor nuthuggers are in denial. The dude fights cans and UFC washouts and he has for quite a long time. Any reasonable person would admit that. His reputation is overblown.
Don't forget the 15+ wins Fedor has over a bunch of no name cans with more losses than wins on their records.
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I think Fedor's legendary status is questionable. Half of his wins were against guys who were the absolute definition of "cans".
STFU you dumbass, go back to watching TUF.. you know nothing about MMA... NOTHING.
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Don't forget the 15+ wins Fedor has over a bunch of no name cans with more losses than wins on their records.
yeah shane carwin and cain velazquez records are loaded with "names" ::)
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yeah shane carwin and cain velazquez records are loaded with "names" ::)
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They can't all be like brock barely beating a 46 year old man or a never was like mir.
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yeah shane carwin and cain velazquez records are loaded with "names" ::)
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They are not you are right. But no one is calling them the best in the world.