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Title: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 04, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Was the guy a quack or smart? He was a proponent of the low carb/high fat diet and trained alot of guys back in the day including Arnold and Larry Scott.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 04, 2010, 03:40:31 PM
Probably in his 50's in this shot.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: WillGrant on July 04, 2010, 03:45:00 PM
all drugs  :D
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: James Blunt on July 04, 2010, 03:45:14 PM
He was a pioneer of ridiculous ''posing trunks''

Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 04, 2010, 03:49:06 PM
all drugs  :D
He was married once I understand but maybe turned out to be a fag later not sure a strange dude but smart.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 04, 2010, 03:52:38 PM
He was a pioneer of ridiculous ''posing trunks''


Good post, wonder if anyone here ever went to his gym?
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: WillGrant on July 04, 2010, 03:53:18 PM
He was married once I understand but maybe turned out to be a fag later not sure a strange dude but smart.
She was a hot lil blond that was young enough to be his daughter so Im a fan  :D

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=342024.0;attach=375821;image)
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Skeletor on July 04, 2010, 03:57:20 PM
I think he was eccentric but still he was ahead of his time.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Doug_Steele on July 04, 2010, 03:58:00 PM
His books are fucking great and i loved what he first said to Arnold!! "You are a FAT FUCK"  :D 8)
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 04, 2010, 04:02:14 PM
His books are fucking great and i loved what he first said to Arnold!! "You are a FAT FUCK"  :D 8)
The dude was asshole best I understand I admire that  ;D
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: LatsMcGee on July 04, 2010, 11:28:19 PM
The man was brilliant and way ahead of his time.  He only came off as an asshole to people who asked him dumb ass questions who just wanted to argue with him.  Vince was more about teaching than arguing with brick wall dumbasses. 
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 05, 2010, 02:28:14 AM
The man was brilliant and way ahead of his time.  He only came off as an asshole to people who asked him dumb ass questions who just wanted to argue with him.  Vince was more about teaching than arguing with brick wall dumbasses. 
Good point.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: dj181 on July 05, 2010, 03:43:49 AM
He actually trained da man hisself Mr. Clint Eastwood
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 05, 2010, 07:00:57 AM
He actually trained da man hisself Mr. Clint Eastwood
Alot of actors went there he was famous for getting them in shape quicky for movie roles.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: funk51 on July 05, 2010, 12:01:28 PM
Was the guy a quack or smart? He was a proponent of the low carb/high fat diet and trained alot of guys back in the day including Arnold and Larry Scott.
how's his son guy doing? anyone know.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 05, 2010, 12:03:53 PM
how's his son guy doing? anyone know.
No clue.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: LatsMcGee on July 06, 2010, 01:18:53 AM
He was married once I understand but maybe turned out to be a fag later not sure a strange dude but smart.

Vince wasn't gay,  he was addicted to pussy and booze at one point in his life.  He actually banned Rheo Blair from stepping foot in his gym for being openly gay.  Vince couldn't keep his hands off of the pussy, hence his marital issues. 
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Parker on July 06, 2010, 01:26:20 AM
I liked that pic of his diagram of a "V" dip bar...finding one like back in the day is next to impossible...   
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: James Blunt on July 06, 2010, 01:28:37 AM
Was the guy a quack or smart? He was a proponent of the low carb/high fat diet and trained alot of guys back in the day including Arnold and Larry Scott.

(http://bruehoyt.com/superheroes/DC/batman/penguin/devito1.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=342024.0;attach=375821;image)That's not Danny Devito
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 06, 2010, 03:32:51 AM
I liked that pic of his diagram of a "V" dip bar...finding one like back in the day is next to impossible...   
I forgot about that Parker, yes the wide end for dips the narrow end for triceps.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Parker on July 06, 2010, 03:52:20 AM
I forgot about that Parker, yes the wide end for dips the narrow end for triceps.
Reverse that...I have one of thesehttp://www.ultimatebodypress.com/ (http://www.ultimatebodypress.com/)

narrow end for chest, wider end for dips...
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: keanu on July 06, 2010, 04:42:42 AM
I have followed this guy's teachings for over 25 years. He trained people, and wasn't about money, dying in debt. Bill Pearl used to send Vince his Hardest gainers. Joe Weider sent his proteges like Arnold. Way ahead of his time.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: owner76 on July 06, 2010, 12:03:13 PM
Vince died from alcohol abuse.
He talked shit about Bill Phillips, and hated him.
So, good enuff for me.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 06, 2010, 12:05:58 PM
Vince died from alcohol abuse.
He talked shit about Bill Phillips, and hated him.
So, good enuff for me.
Vince sounded like a class dude knew alot of stuff, liked hoes and alcohol ;D He lived to be 80 or so I think.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: njflex on July 06, 2010, 01:09:36 PM
jumpsuits and scarf's,flamboyant he was.popular guy tho.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 06, 2010, 01:11:52 PM
Pic has been posted before but a damn classic.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Skeletor on July 06, 2010, 01:34:24 PM
Vince set the trend for the baggy shirts, always ahead of his time.

(http://www.physiquebodywareusa.com/Images/Large_Images/411ipod-Tri-Shirt.jpg)
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 06, 2010, 01:41:02 PM
Vince set the trend for the baggy shirts, always ahead of his time.

(http://www.physiquebodywareusa.com/Images/Large_Images/411ipod-Tri-Shirt.jpg)
Looks like it pold.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Doug_Steele on July 06, 2010, 01:50:15 PM
Vince set the trend for the baggy shirts, always ahead of his time.

(http://www.physiquebodywareusa.com/Images/Large_Images/411ipod-Tri-Shirt.jpg)

Are these John Cena's??   ??? ???
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Skeletor on July 06, 2010, 02:13:10 PM
The guy to the right reminds me of the "son, I am disappoint" dude.

(http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab289/Zeroserte/SonIamdissapoint.gif)
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: jpm101 on July 06, 2010, 02:25:54 PM
Believe Gironda was married 4 or 5 times. Never heard that he drank himself to death. Did have a hard time recovering from an injury after one of his special designed chinning devices  broke, when he was using it. Maybe that lead to extra heavy drink, don't know. Think he shattered his leg pretty bad. He did die broke and his former gym is now a parking lot on Ventura Blvd.

Gironda put major use to the "V" dipping bar (had the knuckles forward or facing inward for extra stretch and influence on the pecs...try it some time and you will know what I mean) and the Scott curling bench (which was really Gironda design).   Also the Roman chair and Sissy squats for legs. Gironda had dozens of different ways of preforming regular exercise. Including the position of the grip/fingers/wrist/elbows, etc. (even now days the elbow position is important in BB'ing). And all the special ways to do chins. Put heavy attention to 8X8's, 10X10's, tri sets, quad sets, etc. Ahead of his time with regards to advance training.

Did stunt work and was an expert horseman, like his father was in the movies. Use to be a lot of riding stables along the LA river in North Hollywood back in the day. Was a cool dude and all that but very moody I have been told. Most genius might be considered half mad anyway.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 06, 2010, 02:31:11 PM
Believe Gironda was married 4 or 5 times. Never heard that he drank himself to death. Did have a hard time recovering from an injury after one of his special designed chinning devices  broke, when he was using it. Maybe that lead to extra heavy drink, don't know. Think he shattered his leg pretty bad. He did die broke and his former gym is now a parking lot on Ventura Blvd.

Gironda put major use to the "V" dipping bar (had the knuckles forward or facing inward for extra stretch and influence on the pecs...try it some time and you will know what I mean) and the Scott curling bench (which was really Gironda design).   Also the Roman chair and Sissy squats for legs. Gironda had dozens of different ways of preforming regular exercise. Including the position of the grip/fingers/wrist/elbows, etc. (even now days the elbow position is important in BB'ing). And all the special ways to do chins. Put heavy attention to 8X8's, 10X10's, tri sets, quad sets, etc. Ahead of his time with regards to advance training.

Did stunt work and was an expert horseman, like his father was in the movies. Use to be a lot of riding stables along the LA river in North Hollywood back in the day. Was a cool dude and all that but very moody I have been told. Most genius might be considered half mad anyway.
Great post did you ever train there? I bought a couple of his old courses and you are correct the hand positions are very important to target exactly the muscle group in different areas.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Skeletor on July 06, 2010, 02:39:33 PM
This is a drawing for chest dips, I think the drawing was Vince's.

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5084/girondadip.jpg)
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 06, 2010, 02:44:18 PM
This is a drawing for chest dips, I think the drawing was Vince's.

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5084/girondadip.jpg)
Good stuff chin on chest for chest, head up for triceps.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: keanu on July 06, 2010, 03:19:02 PM
Vince died from alcohol abuse.
He talked shit about Bill Phillips, and hated him.
So, good enuff for me.

It's no secret that Vince smoked and drank, but not excessively. He really over exerted himself getting ready for his 80th birthday. A huge party was planned full of his old musclehead buddies and he wanted to look good. He died just days before it.

  He talked shit about Bill Phillips and rightly so.Bill tried to sell himself as a modern trainer and Vince as a dinosaur but Bill brought nothing to the table in terms of knowledge. Bill was rumoured to be a guy that dealt bogus roids containing no anabolics at all, although I can't confirm this. Shady character though. He started Muscle Media 2000 magazine and pretty much dedicated it to training on juice. You can see how Vince would not be a fan.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Doug_Steele on July 06, 2010, 03:28:40 PM
Was that old Crazy "Trainer" on Seinfeld, "Izzy" baed upon Vince??  ??? ??? 
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: jpm101 on July 06, 2010, 07:29:48 PM
Mr Nobody: Never worked out at Vince's.  My two uncles worked at the  Paramount lot (Van Ness & a block up from Melrose) and I stayed with them for 3 or 4 summers during school break. They knew a lot of the old veteran  BB'ers around Santa Monica, Hollywood and the Valley. They trained at Vince's on occasion, Golds, Worlds,etc. I'm 38 now so it was  around '87, '88 etc that I lived in Hollywood (just above the Whiskey and than near the Bodhi Tree on Melrose) That training information I got from the uncles and their BB'ing bud's was priceless. .Something you could never get from any book or video.

First impression my uncles got about Gironda was one moody little wop (their words) who could change moods day by day (or hour to hour) But if he liked you, and got to know you, was an OK guy (their words again). Most of his equipment was home made or he had a fab shop make it up for him. One of a kind exercise equipment never to be seen again today. Robert Blake and Bill Smith use to be there a lot I had been told. Along with some other movie and writer types. Gironda lived up stairs at that time I believe. Gironda was indeed a grand master of BB'ing than and to a certain degree, now.

Anyone know anything about Bill or William Smith. Heard he was quite the strongman back in the day. But had a drinking problem like Gironda.



Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: stuntmovie on July 07, 2010, 01:15:12 AM
JPM, Good stuff! Thanks!

I knew Vince and trained at his place a few times while I was stationed ar Pendleton and hung around with the movie crowd (mostly Universal Studios stunt guys and gals and a few of the less than little people in the biz) way before Universal opened their park to the public.

I think I wrote pretty extensively about this subject a while back and will be glad to repeat my limited observations if there is any interest.

Bill Smith did train at Vince's as well as many others from Universal which was just about a mile up Ventura Blvd.

When I was there, the whole damn world was a completely different place and the entire SF valley was mainly horse ranches .... but more of that later if there is any interest on how all this bodybuilding shit actually got underway in SoCal .... and beyond!

Thanks for your pretty damn accurate comments above, JPM. Always good to read comments from people who know what they are talking about as opposed to the few who assume they know of what they speak ..... without backing it up with facts or personal observations.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 07, 2010, 03:35:04 AM
Mr Nobody: Never worked out at Vince's.  My two uncles worked at the  Paramount lot (Van Ness & a block up from Melrose) and I stayed with them for 3 or 4 summers during school break. They knew a lot of the old veteran  BB'ers around Santa Monica, Hollywood and the Valley. They trained at Vince's on occasion, Golds, Worlds,etc. I'm 38 now so it was  around '87, '88 etc that I lived in Hollywood (just above the Whiskey and than near the Bodhi Tree on Melrose) That training information I got from the uncles and their BB'ing bud's was priceless. .Something you could never get from any book or video.

First impression my uncles got about Gironda was one moody little wop (their words) who could change moods day by day (or hour to hour) But if he liked you, and got to know you, was an OK guy (their words again). Most of his equipment was home made or he had a fab shop make it up for him. One of a kind exercise equipment never to be seen again today. Robert Blake and Bill Smith use to be there a lot I had been told. Along with some other movie and writer types. Gironda lived up stairs at that time I believe. Gironda was indeed a grand master of BB'ing than and to a certain degree, now.

Anyone know anything about Bill or William Smith. Heard he was quite the strongman back in the day. But had a drinking problem like Gironda.




Great information. Yea his gym equipment I have seen pictures of very few machines or pulleys but did the trick. I have seen Bill in the old motorcycle movies being fond of motorcycles he was one of my favorite actors had some impressive arms is he still alive?
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: James Blunt on July 07, 2010, 03:37:37 AM
The guy to the right reminds me of the "son, I am disappoint" dude.

(http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab289/Zeroserte/SonIamdissapoint.gif)
That's not Simon Cowell on the juice.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 07, 2010, 03:44:53 AM
That's not Simon Cowell on the juice.
;D ;D
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: wes on July 07, 2010, 03:56:18 AM
Nutrient timing
Spider Curls
Drag Curls
Crunches
German Volume Training (6x6.8x8,10x10)
Sissy Squats on Roman Chair
Scott Bench
High fat,low carb
Low Pulley Bench for triceps
V-Bar Dips
Chinups (touching lower pec to chinning bar)

All started by Vince plus many more training principles,machines,and nutritional practices.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 07, 2010, 04:24:10 AM
Nutrient timing
Spider Curls
Drag Curls
Crunches
German Volume Training (6x6.8x8,10x10)
Sissy Squats on Roman Chair
Scott Bench
High fat,low carb
Low Pulley Bench for triceps
V-Bar Dips
Chinups (touching lower pec to chinning bar)

All started by Vince plus many more training principles,machines,and nutritional practices.
Bench Neck presses as well. I bought some of his courses once very interesting.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: crownshep on July 07, 2010, 05:35:59 AM
Recent pic of Bill with his wife and daughter(pic courtesy of Mark Mills)
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Montague on July 07, 2010, 05:44:18 AM
Bench Neck presses as well. I bought some of his courses once very interesting.


I did those for a while - as Vince & Larry Scott have described.
It's the only flat bench pressing movement I ever "felt" working the chest.
They were effective for me, but put a lot of stress on my shoulders due to my poor flexibility.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 07, 2010, 07:35:24 AM

I did those for a while - as Vince & Larry Scott have described.
It's the only flat bench pressing movement I ever "felt" working the chest.
They were effective for me, but put a lot of stress on my shoulders due to my poor flexibility.

I think maybe take a more narrow grip would not stress the shoulders as much.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: njflex on July 07, 2010, 12:08:44 PM
I think maybe take a more narrow grip would not stress the shoulders as much.
yes,and also i do them wider to,love them really swells pecs and tie in to delt gets great fullness.guy showed me them long time ago.thought he was nuts till i did them.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 07, 2010, 01:11:14 PM
yes,and also i do them wider to,love them really swells pecs and tie in to delt gets great fullness.guy showed me them long time ago.thought he was nuts till i did them.
Thats what I'm saying some of his stuff seemed crazy but worked. Just a different kind of angle or some strange excercise.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: tallandfat on July 07, 2010, 01:50:40 PM
I saw one workout he had for a beginner, it was liek 4 sets fo 20 movements, a volume guy for sure.  Probly not get along with mike mentzer or arthur jones eh?
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Montague on July 07, 2010, 02:32:48 PM
I think maybe take a more narrow grip would not stress the shoulders as much.


Yeah.
I think another problem is that I performed them on a Smith Machine as Scott instructed.
I haven’t used a Smith for anything the last couple of years because I hate the way it locks you into one plane that seldom follows the natural curve of most movements.

I miss doing clavicular presses.
I may try them again - this time inside of a rack.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Smokincrazy on July 07, 2010, 02:42:52 PM
Believe Gironda was married 4 or 5 times. Never heard that he drank himself to death. Did have a hard time recovering from an injury after one of his special designed chinning devices  broke, when he was using it. Maybe that lead to extra heavy drink, don't know. Think he shattered his leg pretty bad. He did die broke and his former gym is now a parking lot on Ventura Blvd.

Gironda put major use to the "V" dipping bar (had the knuckles forward or facing inward for extra stretch and influence on the pecs...try it some time and you will know what I mean) and the Scott curling bench (which was really Gironda design).   Also the Roman chair and Sissy squats for legs. Gironda had dozens of different ways of preforming regular exercise. Including the position of the grip/fingers/wrist/elbows, etc. (even now days the elbow position is important in BB'ing). And all the special ways to do chins. Put heavy attention to 8X8's, 10X10's, tri sets, quad sets, etc. Ahead of his time with regards to advance training.

Did stunt work and was an expert horseman, like his father was in the movies. Use to be a lot of riding stables along the LA river in North Hollywood back in the day. Was a cool dude and all that but very moody I have been told. Most genius might be considered half mad anyway.
great posts man Im really enjoying reading about Gironda.  He was a true legend
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: wes on July 07, 2010, 03:48:48 PM
Bench Neck presses as well. I bought some of his courses once very interesting.
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I forgot about those bro..thanks!!

Also,try doing declines to the neck/throat area ala Gironda.

Guys who bounce 405 off their diaphrams (sp) can usually use around 185-205 -12 reps.....really works the pecs and not the ego.
Title: Re: Vince Gironda
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 07, 2010, 03:55:51 PM
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I forgot about those bro..thanks!!

Also,try doing declines to the neck/throat area ala Gironda.

Guys who bounce 405 off their diaphrams (sp) can usually use around 185-205 -12 reps.....really works the pecs and not the ego.
Yea the dude was all about strict form. Yea Dorian used declines alot worked for him.