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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: MindSpin on July 09, 2010, 12:03:22 PM
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This is a hard one! Both have great wrestling. Both have cardio. Cain has much better stand up. Brock has the size advantage. Interesting...
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Another great and interesting match-up.
After Carwin, I will never doubt Lesnar again. The guy is a beast, and most likely would keep fighting if you tore his legs off.
If I were a betting man, I would go with Lesnar by GNP TKO.
But I will still be rooting for Cain. ;D
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I think this fight has the potential to end in decision with Cain outscoring Lesnar...
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I think this fight has the potential to end in decision with Cain outscoring Lesnar...
I could see that, but what do you think will happen when Lesnar takes it to the ground?
Cain has outstanding wrestling and ground game, but I just can't overlook the size/strength difference.
I just don't see Cain defending a takedown from Lesnar very well.
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I could see that, but what do you think will happen when Lesnar takes it to the ground?
Cain has outstanding wrestling and ground game, but I just can't overlook the size/strength difference.
I just don't see Cain defending a takedown from Lesnar very well.
I'm with you on that. It's hard to imagine Cain stuffing the takedown, but I keep hearing about how Cain's wrestling is on par with Lesnars and how he is used to dealing with bigger guys. It'll be interesting. If Lesnar gets the take down, Cain is screwed.
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I could see that, but what do you think will happen when Lesnar takes it to the ground?
Cain has outstanding wrestling and ground game, but I just can't overlook the size/strength difference.
I just don't see Cain defending a takedown from Lesnar very well.
I agree.
I really didn't like Lesnar much until this Carwin fight, he showed he has heart and is a tough SOB. Plus the post fight interview really impressed me and showed that he really is a good honest guy who admits his mistakes.
I think Lesnar will pull off another win very similar to the Carwin fight.
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I'm with you on that. It's hard to imagine Cain stuffing the takedown, but I keep hearing about how Cain's wrestling is on par with Lesnars and how he is used to dealing with bigger guys. It'll be interesting. If Lesnar gets the take down, Cain is screwed.
I would even like to think that Cain could catch Brock like he did Nog, but even if he gets a clean shot, I am not so sure if it would take Brock out.
One thing about Cain is that he has shown relentless cardio and he can keep a good pace.
Things are real good right now in the UFC HW div.
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I agree.
I really didn't like Lesnar much until this Carwin fight, he showed he has heart and is a tough SOB. Plus the post fight interview really impressed me and showed that he really is a good honest guy who admits his mistakes.
I think Lesnar will pull off another win very similar to the Carwin fight.
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I agree. Many people have stated that the "Athlete Brock" is much different than "Normal Brock". I now believe it.
He is more than a great Athlete as I previously thought, to take a beating like that and stand right back up in the same round, is almost inhuman.
He won me over, but I also like Cain. He has worked hard for his shot. May the best man win. ;D
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I agree. Many people have stated that the "Athlete Brock" is much different than "Normal Brock". I now believe it.
He is more than a great Athlete as I previously thought, to take a beating like that and stand right back up in the same round, is almost inhuman.
He won me over, but I also like Cain. He has worked hard for his shot. May the best man win. ;D
Agree on all points, i'd like to see a slugfest between these two and the best man win.
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I think this fight has the potential to end in decision with Cain outscoring Lesnar...
LMAO!!! ;D
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I think Brock will win this one too.
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People will learn from the Carwin fight and stay outside, Cain wont gas and will last more than 3 mins.
Still though I would take Brock.
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I was amazed when Brock stood up for round two in the Carwin fight and smiled at him.
that must have been pretty disheartening
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I was amazed when Brock stood up for round two in the Carwin fight and smiled at him.
that must have been pretty disheartening
Not as disheartening as when Brock stood up before the first round was over, that had to crush Shane mentally.
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Hard to call this one..I think Lesnar might edge out a victory...however against Junior Dos Santos there will be no victory..
would love to see Lesnar / Overreem
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Now that Brock has had a whopping six professional fights, everyone knows he is now invincible. I say he will slaughter Cain and go on to be 35-1 (winning thirty straight) before retiring.
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JDS will beat them both..
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i am hoping lesnar will pull it off
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Not as disheartening as when Brock stood up before the first round was over, that had to crush Shane mentally.
I could imagine being 280 pounds, hitting a guy with ALL you got for almost 4 min connecting thinking hes out etc etc
and baam, he stands up and almost takes your ass down.
Wtf is a man supposed to do then?
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I agree with Benny. Lesnar should hold the title belts of every weight class in the UFC and then systematically fight every champion one by one. That's the only way to make these fights fair. Lesnar is the greatest MMA fighter ever.
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this is who we really want to see fight brock
brock would have big trouble takin him down and no chance stand up
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this is who we really want to see fight brock
brock would have big trouble takin him down and no chance stand up
Brock would get assassinated if he ever got in the cage with Overreem, Alistair manhandled Brett Rogers (who knocked out brock in sparring numeours times) like a bitch.
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Please post your source showing that Rodgers KO'd Lesnar.
Overeem has a slight chance against Brock, but even with all the drugs, he is still much smaller.
Like Mindspin has stated before, Brock naturally carries the muscle he has. Many of these other guys have to work and lift specially just to carry it.
Big difference in cardio when you do this.
Bottom line, Overeem really has a small chance of beating Brock.
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The guy is a beast, and most likely would keep fighting if you tore his legs off.
He tapped to Mir's knee bar pretty damn fast. Even before Mir tore his leg off.
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He tapped to Mir's knee bar pretty damn fast. Even before Mir tore his leg off.
Amazing how much he has evolved since. He would never tap today.
Thanks for sharing and reminding us.
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mindspin grasping at straws like usual..
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Like Mindspin has stated before, Brock naturally carries the muscle he has.
Come on now, Brock has been abusing AAS/GH for years and years, he may be on HRT for his fights but he does not carry all that muscle naturally. He recently had gyno surgery.
You of all people should know this.
I'm in agreement with others that you are MS.
Your grammar, wording, comments, spacing, are literally a mirror image.
I could care less, but it does seem that way dude.
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Come on now, Brock has been abusing AAS/GH for years and years, he may be on HRT for his fights but he does not carry all that muscle naturally. He recently had gyno surgery.
You of all people should know this.
I'm in agreement with others that you are MS.
Your grammar, wording, comments, spacing, are literally a mirror image.
I could care less, but it does seem that way dude.
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Please post a link showing Lesnar recently had gyno surgery? I would really like to see this. Otherwise, stop posting BS and unsourced rumors.
I am not saying Lesnar has never juiced, but come on, Brock has been huge his whole life. I don't think there is a picture of him even from his teens on that shows him anything less than a specimen. Besides, juice or not, Allistar is still 30+lbs lighter than Lesnar.
Allistar used to be a 205 pencil neck at best. Here see for yourself:
(http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/alistair_overeem_timeline.jpg)
Now tell me again that Brock was not born huge?
(http://forums.azbilliards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=102898&stc=1&d=1247533825)
(http://www.parkwaywrestling.org/images/Brock%20Lesnar.jpg)
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mindspin grasping at straws like usual..
Please....get past it already.
If you don't like it, leave the boards. Got it?
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He wasn't born huge, he was a big boy, but the fact remains that he juiced his ass off all through college and his WWE days. Don't come back with the "drug test" bullshit either, because i passed them for years.
Just look at a recent pic of Brock, he has scars from the surgery.
With gyno
(http://www.ecanadanow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/brock-lesnar.jpg)
With gyno removal scars, if you have CS3 or any real editing software, you can zoom in and see the white scar tissue.
(http://leagueofavatars.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/brock.jpg)
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over this, Brock was a AAS abuser for years and years, so are almost every other HW in the UFC. All i'm saying is that you are an idiot if you think he carries that muscle naturally. You sound like the guys who say Coleman won his first Olympia as a natural.
Come the fuck on. Even you MS have retained some of your muscle mass from your AAS abusing days, at least admit that.
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He wasn't born huge, he was a big boy, but the fact remains that he juiced his ass off all through college and his WWE days. Don't come back with the "drug test" bullshit either, because i passed them for years.
Just look at a recent pic of Brock, he has scars from the surgery.
With gyno
(http://www.ecanadanow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/brock-lesnar.jpg)
With gyno removal scars, if you have CS3 or any real editing software, you can zoom in and see the white scar tissue.
(http://leagueofavatars.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/brock.jpg)
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over this, Brock was a AAS abuser for years and years, so are almost every other HW in the UFC. All i'm saying is that you are an idiot if you think he carries that muscle naturally. You sound like the guys who say Coleman won his first Olympia as a natural.
Come the fuck on. Even you MS have retained some of your muscle mass from your AAS abusing days, at least admit that.
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Regardless, Brock is a naturally big dude. Much bigger than Overeem was naturally as well. That was the point of the original statement I made.
Never said anything about Brock juicing or not...What I said was Brock is a NATURALLY big dude. Translation: He would be a big dude, juice or not.
Come on bro, how the fuck am I going to zoom in on a pic that is that low-res/size and see "scar tissue"
Don't try to pass that BS with me. Don't give me this "zoom in shit" either. You know that resolution is lost when this happens, especially on an already small pic that you posted.
Furthermore, what you should have originally said was "I THINK" Brock had gyno surgery.
Please, stop making up BS on here. It's ok to post thoughts, but don't try to call me out on something that is not even factual and then try to pass off some BS pic. If it is so easy to see, post a link to a better quality pic, or accept the fact that I exposed your BS.
Please explain why there is not one single sign of a gyno scar here:
(http://www.sportowiec.org/wp-content/uploads/image/Zdj%C4%99cia%20lipiec%202009/zapa%C5%9Bnik.jpg)
Here is the link in case you want to zoom in on the original :o http://www.sportowiec.org/wp-content/uploads/image/Zdj%C4%99cia%20lipiec%202009/zapa%C5%9Bnik.jpg (http://www.sportowiec.org/wp-content/uploads/image/Zdj%C4%99cia%20lipiec%202009/zapa%C5%9Bnik.jpg)
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Lesnar showed us he is afraid to get hit and is prone to fold once you stuff one of his takedowns, Cain brings to the table solid wrestling, sick cardio, crisp combinations with both hands and feet, along with solid footwork, in addition to speed. Lesnar is big and can wrestle, no striking to speak of and he's scared to fire in traffic along with being afraid to get hit in general. I think Cain has just as good a chance as Carwin except he has better cardio and is a smarter fighter, in much the same way I think Roy Nelson stylistically presents problems for Lesnar.
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I have not read this whole thread, but I want to clear up what I said regarding Brock. Do I think he is a natural (as in drug free)? Hell no. I'm sure that like most top MMA fighters, he is using something. That said, he is not training for muscle size. He is training for muscle endurance and explosiveness. And, in spite of that, he still walks around at 280 lbs. If he were training like a bodybuilder, to gain as much lean muscle as possible, he would easily weigh 300+ lbs and be much leaner. And he would also not last more than a minute in the cage before gassing out.