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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Pollux on July 19, 2010, 06:52:12 PM
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Dexter looks out of this world........do not count this man out.
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He'll be lucky to get 4th or 5th, pissed someone off while he was MrO.
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He'll be lucky to get 4th or 5th, pissed someone off while he was MrO.
cant believe i am agreeing w/ you. dexter has been getting screwed due to politics, he should NEVER place behind branch.
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Heavy training :-\
I agree though dexter shouldn't llace behind branch unless completley off which he has never been
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^^ you must be a monster
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^^ you must be a monster
Meso is a strong motherfuKKer, for real
I'm gonna try those inclines on the smith when I start pressing heavy again, seems to hit the muscle right at the sticking point
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good to dex is getting serious for this one
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I hate when people get "tricky" with the footage like that, its so distracting. I'm like, dude, i just wanna see him bench bench the shit, I don't need to see how many filters the camera has.
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hahahahaha, that has to be the worst intro EVER. The fuck is that shit? haha.
I could do a better one after only a few days of even having a clue how to edit videos haha pathetic.
And those random retarded filters during the vid? haha
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7 reps with 150lbs db .. I'm not impressed at all.
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7 reps with 150lbs db .. I'm not impressed at all.
You must be a beast! :o ::)
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7 reps with 150lbs db .. I'm not impressed at all.
It's funny how I KINDA agree with you... the thing is, dexter is one of the lighter heavy weights and his body structure is more ecto than a meso... he has killed himself to achieve this phenomenal built he has and strength gains aren't too easy for him.
He allways seemed to be exhausted mentally... it's like he is living in a training hell or something... it's either because he's lazy or his bodystructure.
Correct me if I'm wrong
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is this for me or... to that one guy who thought 7 reps with 150 ain't impressive?
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is this for me or... to that one guy who thought 7 reps with 150 ain't impressive?
it has nothing to do with the thread, just thought I would share ;D
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ooooh I get it
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Well obviously I can't do 7 reps with 150 lbs dbs but what I'm able to do is 5 reps with 120s and I don't need anyone touching my elbows for that.
Considering the fact that I'm not even half his size and he's an IFBB pro it just does not impress me.
... yeah I know bodybuilding is not about the weights you can lift but for me it is important. Not saying he is not a good bodybuilder or anything , he looks phenomenal, all I'm saying is that he is not in the same league as some of the other pros when it comes to strength. He's got great genes for building muscle mass , otherwise he would not look like that and he's very consistant and dedicated.
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Well obviously I can't do 7 reps with 150 lbs dbs but what I'm able to do is 5 reps with 120s and I don't need anyone touching my elbows for that.
Considering the fact that I'm not even half his size and he's an IFBB pro it just does not impress me.
... yeah I know bodybuilding is not about the weights you can lift but for me it is important. Not saying he is not a good bodybuilder or anything , he looks phenomenal, all I'm saying is that he is not in the same league as some of the other pros when it comes to strength. He's got great genes for building muscle mass , otherwise he would not look like that and he's very consistant and dedicated.
considiring hes been training for at least 20 years and been on teh juice for most of them its Very weak.. doesn't matter what me or you can lift.
It is what it is..
obviously he doesnt need to lift heavier though
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bodybuilding is about using weights to work your muscles, not about using your muscles to work a weight.
weight is always second to form. bodybuilding 101
check out dexter during his db press. where do you see movement? thje only part of his body moving any bit at all is the muscle belly of his chest. i see zero body movement, zero help from the shoulders, and no tricep involvement.
when devon does the 120's for 5, like every other dude in the gym, i would bet that there is a whole lottta body english, a bunch of shoulder and tricep involvement, and shaky, partial reps.
he might not be the strongest bodybuilder but he is a beast nonetheless
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dexjax is going all out there
good stuff
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weight is always second to form. bodybuilding 101
branch warren? ronnie coleman? bertil fox?
so no not always
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branch warren? ronnie coleman? bertil fox?
so no not always
branch doesnt always seem to train that way, but if you asked him he would tell you that is. if you read his columns in md he has talked about the importance of good form many times. ronnie always trained higher reps, and tried to keep good form. his powerlifting in his videos is a far cry from what he always did.
certainly alot of huge dudes got that way by powerlifting and not paying atention to form. but the bext bodybuilders all know that weight is second to form.
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branch doesnt always seem to train that way, but if you asked him he would tell you that is. if you read his columns in md he has talked about the importance of good form many times. ronnie always trained higher reps, and tried to keep good form. his powerlifting in his videos is a far cry from what he always did.
certainly alot of huge dudes got that way by powerlifting and not paying atention to form. but the bext bodybuilders all know that weight is second to form.
I would say No to that and claim that the BEST bodybuilders would probably be the best no matter how they trained.
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For a guy like dex who is on god knows what and has been training for over 20 yrs not impressive weight is important in bbing by now 150 should be light weight for him
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ok fellas......dex is pumping out 7 good reps with the 150s......that is heavy weight......how about the 4 plates on the incline smith......from a dead stop??? how about 5 plates on the hammer machine????
you guys talk a big game......give me a break.....you are pressing 120s for 5 and you are talking smack about dex using the 150s......just more of the negativity here at getbig.com.......piss off haters......you guys have the talk down......but the actual walk......you don't have that down.......pick up the 150s and try them on rows......presses......a nything......and tell me they aren't heavy dumbbells.......STFU!!
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I would say No to that and claim that the BEST bodybuilders would probably be the best no matter how they trained.
if coleman never went over 100lbs on any exercise, he would have never looked the way he did.
if coleman had spent 15 hours in the gym everyday, he would have never looked the way he did.
if coleman had only worked out 2 days a week, he would have never looked the way he did.
if coleman only did 1 set per workout, he owuld have never looked the way he did.
obviously, training does matter, and the best would not be the best regardles of how they trained. had dorian trained like dillet, he would have never won an olympia. had dillet trained like dorian... :) get what i mean?
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How exactly do you not use your delts and triceps while doing benchpress ? It's impossible to just use your chest... it's simple biomechanics. Your triceps and delts will always be involved in a pressing movement like that , no matter how much you focus on using your chest. With a good muscle-mind connection you might be able to put more emphasis on the muscle you want to work esp. when using lighter weights and higher reps but there's no way that you're not using your delts and triceps in a pressing movement like that.
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ok fellas......dex is pumping out 7 good reps with the 150s......that is heavy weight......how about the 4 plates on the incline smith......from a dead stop??? how about 5 plates on the hammer machine????
you guys talk a big game......give me a break.....you are pressing 120s for 5 and you are talking smack about dex using the 150s......just more of the negativity here at getbig.com.......piss off haters......you guys have the talk down......but the actual walk......you don't have that down.......pick up the 150s and try them on rows......presses......a nything......and tell me they aren't heavy dumbbells.......STFU!!
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How exactly do you not use your delts and triceps while doing benchpress ? It's impossible to just use your chest... it's simple biomechanics. Your triceps and delts will always be involved in a pressing movement like that , no matter how much you focus on using your chest. With a good muscle-mind connection you might be able to put more emphasis on the muscle you want to work esp. when using lighter weights and higher reps but there's no way that you're not using your delts and triceps in a pressing movement like that.
thank you captain obvious!!!! ;D
watch someone lift weights. you can see the muscle(s) contracting. you can tell what muscles are doign the work, and what muscles are pretty relaxed. now watch dexter do the db press. see any delt or tricep contraction going on? the muscles are moving, because the chest is making them move along with the arm and dumbell... but i dont see any visible stress or contraction in those two muscles. and check out his chest, the whole damn thing, from the outside to the inside, is contracting and balling up as the weight moves.
that is isolation, not whether or not the body has extrordinary superduper 100% isolation
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Meso is a strong motherfuKKer, for real
I'm gonna try those inclines on the smith when I start pressing heavy again, seems to hit the muscle right at the sticking point
they're called clusters.. They are great!
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Ronnie pressing the 200 lbs. dumbbells! :o
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That's hatd training that's my goal one day to press 200 Dumbells for a few reps
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i love ass monkeys like you that always use the words epic......meltdown...... etc......shows that you are well versed in being an internet......forum clown.......hey sevestase.......you and your ego need to go hide in a closet.......enough with your input here......aren't you a self proclaimed ladies man???? figured you would be too busy to read my insignifanct posts.....due to the fact that you are so busy bedding down with lovely ladies.
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LOL at guys being impressed with smith machine work
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Agree smith machines especially near ones are easy.... I've don't 4 plates a side incline on a nicely maintained. smith machine couldn't dream of doing that on free weights incline though not even for a rep.
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That's hatd training that's my goal one day to press 200 Dumbells for a few reps
I love how on the last rep Ronnie halway into it says, 'Light weight!' and throws that shit like it's nothing! :o
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;D ;D
ronnie = Greatest Of All Time
Lot of new scilla builders talk about squeeze no heave weigh complete bullshit that why Coleman puked on everyone for 8 yrs because he didn't take his genetics for granted and train light... He put everything into it sweat and blood on that gym floor . I remember Reading an article where he squat 600lb till he had a nose bleed... And there was another article where he was doing that rows and the t bar handle broke because he was rowing too much weight ... Amazing it broke he didn't let go it broke
that someone who I would shoot to emulate training wise not these lazy bbers who talk about light weight and squeeze. I don't care what anybody says strength is important too
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LOL at needing 3-4 spotters/fanbois for dumbell presses, etc. He does come across as a prima donna... I doubt Dex would ever remove plates from a machine himself. :D
branch doesnt always seem to train that way, but if you asked him he would tell you that is. if you read his columns in md he has talked about the importance of good form many times. ronnie always trained higher reps, and tried to keep good form. his powerlifting in his videos is a far cry from what he always did.
certainly alot of huge dudes got that way by powerlifting and not paying atention to form. but the bext bodybuilders all know that weight is second to form.
I have never seen Branch use anything resembling strict form in any of his videos. One of the MD video intros even said Branch was now training very strict using peak contraction and it was the worst form I'd seen from him. Of course, almost every pro says weight doesn't matter and they always train strict, or maybe it's their ghost writers who say that :D
I would have to disagree about the best bodybuilders knowing weight is second to form. The majority use far from text-book form and far from full range of motion and often way too much weight forcing them to involve lots of secondary muscles. Some champions have very nice form, such as Dorian, but the majority don't.
Regardless of form, muscle responds to tension. The more tension you can generate the more you'll grow. The Ronnie bounced front squats were horrible form-wise and tendon killers but the tension generated from that is insane. :o :D
Form is also something that no one ever seems to change. It becomes ingrained very early on. Just like posing style. :D
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that someone who I would shoot to emulate training wise not these lazy bbers who talk about light weight and squeeze. I don't care what anybody says strength is important too
Absolutely. However, the negative, and it's a huge negative, is the injury risk. But like I said, the more tension you can place on a muscle the more it will respond - if it doesn't explode first. :D
Weight matters.
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Dex only weighs like 220 lbs
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Absolutely. However, the negative, and it's a huge negative, is the injury risk. But like I said, the more tension you can place on a muscle the more it will respond - if it doesn't explode first. :D
Weight matters.
I agree but I don't think it does the way Coleman trained he gettin 12 reps not
1 or 2 reps when u start going for singles that when ur at a great risk in regard to injuries.
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Ronnie pressing the 200 lbs. dumbbells! :o
Ronnie is the fucking man...dude lifts big-boy weights.
I love how he almost kills the cameraman with a 200lb dumbbell and then says.."watch yourself" :D
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Strongest bber of all time IMO .... Compare that to dexters bitchass male bonding trainging 4 people around him to press 150 for 6 reps.... Coleman on his own 200lb dumbell 12 reps ... Can a hang?
Greatest ever
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FT job n bbing champ dont mix. Yip yip
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Strongest bber of all time IMO .... Compare that to dexters bitchass male bonding trainging 4 people around him to press 150 for 6 reps.... Coleman on his own 200lb dumbell 12 reps ... Can a hang?
Greatest ever
Yeah. A little silly to have all those 'spotters' around Dexter for the amount of weight he's lifting.
Ronnie was just RIDICULOUS with the amount of weights he threw around... AND didn't have 4 people to spot him. ;D
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Ronnie weighed up to 110 lbs more than Dex
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Ronnie weighed up to 110 lbs more than Dex
True. One would have to take that into consideration when talking strength, but even still Ronnie didn't have 3-4 people 'spotting' him.
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LOL at needing 3-4 spotters/fanbois for dumbell presses, etc. He does come across as a prima donna... I doubt Dex would ever remove plates from a machine himself. :D
I have never seen Branch use anything resembling strict form in any of his videos. One of the MD video intros even said Branch was now training very strict using peak contraction and it was the worst form I'd seen from him. Of course, almost every pro says weight doesn't matter and they always train strict, or maybe it's their ghost writers who say that :D
I would have to disagree about the best bodybuilders knowing weight is second to form. The majority use far from text-book form and far from full range of motion and often way too much weight forcing them to involve lots of secondary muscles. Some champions have very nice form, such as Dorian, but the majority don't.
Regardless of form, muscle responds to tension. The more tension you can generate the more you'll grow. The Ronnie bounced front squats were horrible form-wise and tendon killers but the tension generated from that is insane. :o :D
Form is also something that no one ever seems to change. It becomes ingrained very early on. Just like posing style. :D
of course weight matters.
form stays the same? well.. about that
if a guy starts working out with 100lbs(or anyweight) and "sloppy form" (using lots of secondary muscles)... then after a short while his body will adapt and he will need to use more weight, because he will be able to do too many reps for growth.
if a guy starts working out with 75lbs and good form (limited use of secondary muscles)... after a while he will adapt and need to use more weight.
in both cases, weight matters.
the reason why i think good form is superior to sloppy form.... well, like you pointed out.. injury prevention for one... but also because i feel like full range or motion is important to maximize the growth in every muscle cell from insertion to origin, and also the squeezing at peak contraction should help make the muscle harder and more defined.
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Ronnie weighed up to 110 lbs more than Dex
so...
that weight excuse is for the weak
I weigh 217 and right now I can press 180 dumbells
and I'm natural.
Johnnie Jackson weighed less than Coleman and he has a 800 plus deadlift ..
Also layne norton is super strong... He doesn't lok like he weighs a lot
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FT job n bbing champ dont mix. Yip yip
that is awesome
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so...
that weight excuse is for the weak
I weigh 217 and right now I can press 180 dumbells
and I'm natural.
Johnnie Jackson weighed less than Coleman and he has a 800 plus deadlift ..
Also layne norton is super strong... He doesn't lok like he weighs a lot
But, you ain't training for the Mr. O in two months...
Side note Shawn Ray trained with the 150s at 205-210 (near contest) and 180s around a bodyweight of 230 (offseason), and he trained at a breakneck speed.
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True...
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Well obviously I can't do 7 reps with 150 lbs dbs but what I'm able to do is 5 reps with 120s and I don't need anyone touching my elbows for that.
Considering the fact that I'm not even half his size and he's an IFBB pro it just does not impress me.
... yeah I know bodybuilding is not about the weights you can lift but for me it is important. Not saying he is not a good bodybuilder or anything , he looks phenomenal, all I'm saying is that he is not in the same league as some of the other pros when it comes to strength. He's got great genes for building muscle mass , otherwise he would not look like that and he's very consistant and dedicated.
120s for reps?......quarter reps don't count muppet
150s for 7 solid reps is very impressive
we're waiting for you to post a video, bat-boy
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120s for reps?......quarter reps don't count muppet
150s for 7 solid reps is very impressive
we're waiting for you to post a video, bat-boy
yes 120 for 5 full-rom reps with good form... I'm one of the guys on here that have actually been working out for a long time. Some other strength feats include a 340lbs benchpress , a 560 deadlift and a 420 squat.. all raw and with good form.
Keep on waiting for that video , there is none of me db pressing and I don't feel like recording it right now .. maybe in a couple of weeks ;)