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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TRIX on August 03, 2010, 01:38:05 AM
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520 competitors x $150 entry fee = $78,000 from the competitors alone. Now add the gate takings. Probably over $100,000. And the winners get a stupid trophy.
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amateur sports are like that...
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Wouldn't it be a nice gesture to give them $5000 to each winner of there class. Oh Well whatever
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520 competitors x $150 entry fee = $78,000 from the competitors alone. Now add the gate takings. Probably over $100,000. And the winners get a stupid trophy.
You have to hand it to these people who run the events.
Some will do anything for a pointless trophy or to tell their buddy they "compete".
Spend 2 grand on a cycle, $150 entry fee, all for what? Where is the sense of accomplishment here? No talent and you didn't even build your own physique.
I have more respect for the juggling geek, who spends hours on his craft, to win the praise of other juggling geeks. :D
Again, skill vs. no skill...why bother. Almost like a Ms. America pageant.
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You have to hand it to these people who run the events.
Some will do anything for a pointless trophy or to tell their buddy they "compete".
Spend 2 grand on a cycle, $150 entry fee, all for what? Where is the sense of accomplishment here? No talent and you didn't even build your own physique.
I have more respect for the juggling geek, who spends hours on his craft, to win the praise of other juggling geeks. :D
Again, skill vs. no skill...why bother. Almost like a Ms. America pageant.
Ms. America Pageant, the women tend to be on the smart side, with multiple degrees and pretty good jobs. They are on the "skilled" side. But, they tend to be "the girl next door", wifey types. Ms. USA, competes in the Miss Universe, and the women tend to models of very high caliber in terms of sex appeal and attractiveness. They of course get by on their looks, so they don't really need a job. Of course, their jobs include: working part time at Hooters, photo shoots, giving piano lessons to rich kids and blind, deaf mutes. And of course, helping other women see that they are not as beautiful as them---eliciting envy not unlike that which was seen in The Scarlet Letter.
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Ms. America Pageant, the women tend to be on the smart side, with multiple degrees and pretty good jobs. They are on the "skilled" side. But, they tend to be "the girl next door", wifey types. Ms. USA, competes in the Miss Universe, and the women tend to models of very high caliber in terms of sex appeal and attractiveness. They of course get by on their looks, so they don't really need a job. Of course, their jobs include: working part time at Hooters, photo shoots, giving piano lessons to rich kids and blind, deaf mutes. And of course, helping other women see that they are not as beautiful as them---eliciting envy not unlike that which was seen in The Scarlet Letter.
Recently, Ms. Random State was at a place I frequent. They were making a big deal because she was the best guy in all of X state.
It's amazing how far a woman can get on looks and a decent blowjob.
I reply, "Really...who the fuck is she?" haha, and what can she do. Give Ms. X a busted face...nobody would give a shit about her.
Listen Sweety, you have a cute face and nice body...let's leave it at that. I'm sure you'll get top dollar for it in the open market.
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You have to hand it to these people who run the events.
Some will do anything for a pointless trophy or to tell their buddy they "compete".
Spend 2 grand on a cycle, $150 entry fee, all for what? Where is the sense of accomplishment here? No talent and you didn't even build your own physique.
I have more respect for the juggling geek, who spends hours on his craft, to win the praise of other juggling geeks. :D
Again, skill vs. no skill...why bother. Almost like a Ms. America pageant.
Croatch man, you and i both know you can multiply that by 10
A few contestants at my local show spent more than 2grand on their course for the first-timers event
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Why should someone pay to amateurs? Few get their pro-cards and possibility to make some money.
Same way in car sports; dude driving some micro-car won't get paid and only gets those stupid trophies. By winning he makes it possible for him to be F1-driver and get paid some decent money.
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Croatch man, you and i both know you can multiply that by 10
A few contestants at my local show spent more than 2grand on their course for the first-timers event
You as a juicer yourself should know that it's not like that.
STH is pretty much the only expensive stuff.
Test , Tren , Stano, Slin , T3 , ephedrine etc. are cheap. Even if you're using shitloads you can get a whole years supply for a lot less than 5 grand.
Maybe it's all different in the US because people have shitty connections and pay 10 dollar for 1cc of test..
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contact jim manion. it's his org in which he and his son are going to receive raises because of the bikini girls. bikini division has increased amateur fees at least 20% across all shows. john lindsey must operate 10-15 amateur shows in the USA. notice how he stays away from the pro division. yes...it's amateur but they could give the winners 2500$ scholarship or something. tell me ultimate mom brandy leaver couldnt use the money?
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is there any reason why they claim amateur status?
is it to avoid stepping on the ifbb toes?
tax or legal purposes? anything beyond just be able to pocket all the money and say "well, its an amateur show.."
do other 'amateur' athletes, like olympic swimmers or gymnasts have to pay entry fees?
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do other 'amateur' athletes, like olympic swimmers or gymnasts have to pay entry fees?
Amateur sucks.
One famous boxer won Olympic medals and later threw those to the river. He wanted to be a professional. And he became one. Succesful one.
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Amateur sucks.
One famous boxer won Olympic medals and later threw those to the river. He wanted to be a professional. And he became one. Succesful one.
npc national shows are equal national beauty shows...not REAL amateur athletics. those girls usually get at least a 1500$ scholarship or something. lindsey n manion took alotta receipts last weekend. watch when ncp.org makes its' yr end report. manion will receive a 10-12% raise above his current 178k salary + 17k. i think lindsey is listed for-profit.
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520 competitors x $150 entry fee = $78,000 from the competitors alone. Now add the gate takings. Probably over $100,000. And the winners get a stupid trophy.
Thats where you dont get it...no one does it for the "stupid Trophy"...they do it for the pursuit, for the challenge, for the many opportunities the title presents, for the sake of competition and whatever personal goals they may have set for themselves.
The trophy is nothing more than a symbol of the achievment, as is the coveted "PRO CARD" that all the fools think should be made of solid gold.
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npc national shows are equal national beauty shows...not REAL amateur athletics. those girls usually get at least a 1500$ scholarship or something. lindsey n manion took alotta receipts last weekend. watch when ncp.org makes its' yr end report. manion will receive a 10-12% raise above his current 178k salary + 17k. i think lindsey is listed for-profit.
Lindsay ios absolutely "for profit", as its his business...he offers no apologies for his hard work and longevity in the business of promotion.
As for Manion...it's his company...why should he not make all he can?
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Lindsay ios absolutely "for profit", as its his business...he offers no apologies for his hard work and longevity in the business of promotion.
As for Manion...it's his company...why should he not make all he can?
you would think as an athlete rep you'd be saying..."lets do something extra for the athletes. that might be a good idea to add 1000$ pageant scholarship with the trophy." instead you are going off how great lindsey and manion are. arent to you like an athlete rep? i know for male pro bbers but you could put a word in for the others.
and manion's company is a non-profit which means his compensation has to be within reason of non-profits equal to his. with receipts of 2.5M is he over compensating himself at 178K with yrly raises? also....npo give...so a scholarship donation to national winners is well within reason. again...lindsey can do what he wants...as noted.
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you would think as an athlete rep you'd be saying..."lets do something extra for the athletes. that might be a good idea to add 1000$ pageant scholarship with the trophy." instead you are going off how great lindsey and manion are. arent to you like an athlete rep? i know for male pro bbers but you could put a word in for the others.
and manion's company is a non-profit which means his compensation has to be within reason of non-profits equal to his. with receipts of 2.5M is he over compensating himself at 178K with yrly raises? also....npo give...so a scholarship donation to national winners is well within reason. again...lindsey can do what he wants...as noted.
As you already asked and answered your own question...I'm the AR for the Pro division, not the amateurs. Amateurs are given the opportunity. There are plenty (including myself), that have made a career of those opportunities...I won a grand total of $0 for winning the 00 USA...I turned that into hundreds of thousands over the next 10 years. Why hate on those who have made this a possibility?
I have no problem with Manion making whatever he makes, as he has worked hard for many years...same goes for Lindsay. They're businessmen...and successful ones at that.
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You as a juicer yourself should know that it's not like that.
STH is pretty much the only expensive stuff.
Test , Tren , Stano, Slin , T3 , ephedrine etc. are cheap. Even if you're using shitloads you can get a whole years supply for a lot less than 5 grand.
Maybe it's all different in the US because people have shitty connections and pay 10 dollar for 1cc of test..
Running growth, even getting it at a great price, is not cheap
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As you already asked and answered your own question...I'm the AR for the Pro division, not the amateurs. Amateurs are given the opportunity. There are plenty (including myself), that have made a career of those opportunities...I won a grand total of $0 for winning the 00 USA...I turned that into hundreds of thousands over the next 10 years. Why hate on those who have made this a possibility?
I have no problem with Manion making whatever he makes, as he has worked hard for many years...same goes for Lindsay. They're businessmen...and successful ones at that.
it's not what you did as an amateur...the road you can pave for the new generation. 2.5-2.7M going thru the books and the top 6 who get pro cards yrly cant get something extra...an amateur status reward so to speak of. isnt that why you are a rep now or to keep yourself relevant which is ok since you have to pay your bills? i dont care what manion, his son or lindsey do. they are just good argument material on getbig.
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Once again, these are bodybuilders we are talking about. Not exactly the smartest people.
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And the winners get a stupid trophy.
Yeah, reminds me of those football players in college just just get a trophy for working so hard just to put ball in the end zone, with 95% of those players getting injured, whacked with no chance at ever making any money.
Much how do those football players get for playing in those championship games? I think the schools get about $3 million each for that game? Shouldnt they give me some money for playing except just a scholarship that thousands of students get.
Point is, you compete because you want to see how good you can get, and perhaps, got some contracts and sponsors.
As for the costs, the venue, insurance, people, hotels, judges, per diums, airfare, and much more gets very expensive. You need to shell out this amount before you can expect anything back in return.
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I gotta agree with Ron on this. I think MOST do it for gratification, some are delusional and want to make a living as a pro. Look at marathon runners and the alike. Why do we do it, pure satisfaction. Sure some may bitch about dieting and training but none the less it's what we enjoy. Hell I didn't run the Hartford to get a spiffy medal, I wanted to do it
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it's not what you did as an amateur...the road you can pave for the new generation. 2.5-2.7M going thru the books and the top 6 who get pro cards yrly cant get something extra...an amateur status reward so to speak of. isnt that why you are a rep now or to keep yourself relevant which is ok since you have to pay your bills? i dont care what manion, his son or lindsey do. they are just good argument material on getbig.
The road I pave is for the current and future pros, not amateurs....giving them more when they get there is the incentive. Amateurs dont need motivation, other than what to expect IF they can make the grade....just as I did
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You have to know what your priorities are. You can't put a price on the fame and glory of being Mr USA or Mr Universe or Mr Olympia.
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Yeah, reminds me of those football players in college just just get a trophy for working so hard just to put ball in the end zone, with 95% of those players getting injured, whacked with no chance at ever making any money.
Much how do those football players get for playing in those championship games? I think the schools get about $3 million each for that game? Shouldnt they give me some money for playing except just a scholarship that thousands of students get.
Point is, you compete because you want to see how good you can get, and perhaps, got some contracts and sponsors.
As for the costs, the venue, insurance, people, hotels, judges, per diums, airfare, and much more gets very expensive. You need to shell out this amount before you can expect anything back in return.
HAHAH, no, BCS games gets the schools between 10-15 million and the champ game around 25 million. All endorsement money. Plus ticket sales and such get split.
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The road I pave is for the current and future pros, not amateurs....giving them more when they get there is the incentive. Amateurs dont need motivation, other than what to expect IF they can make the grade....just as I did
That's alot of time in summer school
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G-string and others, the main difference between amateur and Pro sports is that in pro sports you get PAID. So hell no, I think it's a horrible idea in amateur bodybuilding, fitness, figure or bikini to get paid. You do that when you're good enough to. Now I have heard of amateurs guest posing and not too many of them get the opportunity to do that.
Lindsey and Manion are businessmen and when you are in business, the point is to make money whether it's for profit or non-profit. My only concern is to ensure the shows are judged fairly.
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That's alot of time in summer school
which paid off pretty good
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You have to know what your priorities are. You can't put a price on the fame and glory of being Mr USA or Mr Universe or Mr Olympia.
thats why you will one day win that title vince ;)
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i think the only difference that i would like to see is every pro bodybuilding should get paid something from the ifbb each year. its like pro sports, you may be a bench warmer but you get PAID for really doing nothing. there are alot of pros that the money they make isnt from the sport but from outside bb.
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i think the only difference that i would like to see is every pro bodybuilding should get paid something from the ifbb each year. its like pro sports, you may be a bench warmer but you get PAID for really doing nothing. there are alot of pros that the money they make isnt from the sport but from outside bb.
I agree 100%. There should be a "league minimum" for actively competing athletes.
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Yeah, reminds me of those football players in college just just get a trophy for working so hard just to put ball in the end zone, with 95% of those players getting injured, whacked with no chance at ever making any money.
Much how do those football players get for playing in those championship games? I think the schools get about $3 million each for that game? Shouldnt they give me some money for playing except just a scholarship that thousands of students get.
Point is, you compete because you want to see how good you can get, and perhaps, got some contracts and sponsors.
As for the costs, the venue, insurance, people, hotels, judges, per diums, airfare, and much more gets very expensive. You need to shell out this amount before you can expect anything back in return.
Great post Ron and the real essense of any sport.
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does the npc still get tax free status as a non profit organization?
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520 competitors x $150 entry fee = $78,000 from the competitors alone. Now add the gate takings. Probably over $100,000. And the winners get a stupid trophy.
Here is the deal . It takea lot of expense to put on a national level NPC event. A top promotor like Jon Lyndsey took many years to work his way up as a promotor before he made decent money putting on a contest. Most new NPC sanctioned shows take a few years to before they make a profit. Unlike football or baseball the sport of BB has little in way of mainstream media coverage which hurts them for as and sponsor $$.
I have promoted, judged and competed in many BB contests. I even tried putting on a regional natty contest a couple times and LOST $$ hehe.
A few in bodybuilding do ok and make a buck, but most break even or scrape by. Only a handful or pro contests remain viable and stick around yr after yr. The figure and new bikini class increase the number of entrants by quite a bit, but I wish it was only male/female bodybuilding.
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You have to know what your priorities are. You can't put a price on the fame and glory of being Mr USA or Mr Universe or Mr Olympia.
Your priorities are evident by your lack of success in business, job skills and your so called bodybuilding. I imagine a post-it note on your fridge that reads
My Priorities (by Vince Goodrum)
1. get Vissy off every morning
2. suck Vissy after dinner to save on toothpaste and mouthwash
3. hide the condoms from Vissy so another can't come off inside me
4. make this Sundays weekly Bukake Party the best ever
5. don't clean the trailer
6. don't forget monthly douche to clean out, just in case (not for Vissy though, I still like it dirty)
7. go on Getbig and pretend I am a bodybuilder and personal trainer
8. teach Vissy how to aim so he doesn't get it all over the pillows
9. keep searching for more online certifications
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Yeah, reminds me of those football players in college just just get a trophy for working so hard just to put ball in the end zone, with 95% of those players getting injured, whacked with no chance at ever making any money.
Much how do those football players get for playing in those championship games? I think the schools get about $3 million each for that game? Shouldnt they give me some money for playing except just a scholarship that thousands of students get.
Point is, you compete because you want to see how good you can get, and perhaps, got some contracts and sponsors.
As for the costs, the venue, insurance, people, hotels, judges, per diums, airfare, and much more gets very expensive. You need to shell out this amount before you can expect anything back in return.
+ they get on TV and millions of people watch them, people buy shirts with their name on it, I'm sure it's more of a ego thing than anything else. What does a NPC guy get? a offer from some schmoe to beat off on him in a public toilet for a $100