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Did his sexual orientation play a role in his decision?
Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
Friday, 06 Aug 2010
The federal judge who overturned California's same-sex marriage ban this week is a Republican who once came under fire for his membership to a powerful all-male club that only recently had allowed blacks to join.
But after Chief U.S. Judge Vaughn Walker struck down the voter-approved ban known as Proposition 8, he became something else in the minds of some: a gay activist.
Rumors have circulated for months that Walker is gay, fueled by the blogosphere and a San Francisco Chronicle column that stated his sexual orientation was an "open secret" in legal and gay activism circles.
Walker himself hasn't addressed the speculation, and he did not respond to a request for comment by The Associated Press on Thursday. Lawyers in the case, including those defending the ban, say the judge's sexuality — gay or straight — was not an issue at trial and will not be a factor on appeal.
But that hasn't stopped a public debate that exploded in the wake of the 66-year-old jurist's ruling. Most of the criticism has come from opponents of same-sex marriage.
"Here we have an openly gay federal judge, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, substituting his views for those of the American people and of our Founding Fathers who, I promise you, would be shocked by courts that imagine they have the right to put gay marriage in our Constitution," said Maggie Gallagher, chairwoman of The National Organization for Marriage, a group that helped fund Proposition 8.
In response, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, a political action committee for gay candidates, launched an online petition accusing Gallagher's group of "gay-baiting."
But the debate raises the question: Why is sexuality different from other personal characteristics judges possess? Can a female judge rule on abortion issues? A black judge on civil rights?
"The evidence shows that, by every available metric, opposite-sex couples are not better than their same-sex counterparts; instead, as partners, parents and citizens, opposite-sex couples and same-sex couples are equal," Walker wrote in his exacting, 136-page opinion.
Gerard Bradley, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame, published a Fox News column in the hours before Walker filed his opinion faulting the media for not forcing Walker to address his sexual orientation.
And Byran Fischer, issues director for the American Family Association, urged the group's members to contact their congressional representatives about launching impeachment proceedings because Walker had not recused himself from a case in which "his own personal sexual proclivities utterly compromised his ability to make an impartial ruling."
William G. Ross, an expert on judicial ethics and law professor at Samford University in Alabama, said a judge's sexual orientation has no more relevance to the ability to rule fairly on a case involving gay marriage than it would for a deeply religious judge or a judge who had been divorced multiple times.
"Under the logic of the people challenging the judge's fitness to rule on a case involving gay rights because he or she was gay, one would have to find a eunuch to serve on the case, because one could just as easily argue that a heterosexual judge couldn't rule on it either," Ross said.
Months before Walker struck down Proposition 8 as an unconstitutional violation of gay Americans' civil rights, members of the team defending the ban in court had complained about what they perceived as judicial bias.
Over their vigorous objections, Walker pushed to have the proceedings televised live, a plan the U.S. Supreme Court quashed at the last minute. Then, he refused to excuse as a witness a Proposition 8 supporter who had compared gays to child molesters during the 2008 campaign. Lawyers for the two same-sex couples who sued to invalidate the ban had called him as a witness to try to prove the measure was fueled by anti-gay prejudice.
Nevertheless, the defense does not plan to raise the specter of the judge's sexual orientation as they appeal his ruling to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, said Jim Campbell, a lawyer with the defense team.
"The bottom line is this case, from our perspective, is and always will be about the law and not about the judge who decides it," Campbell said. "It's just something that collectively as a legal team we have decided and going up, that's what this case is. The appellate courts are going to focus on the law."
Walker has ruled in at least two other cases involving gay rights issues during his two decades as a judge. In 1999, he rejected arguments from the parents of a San Leandro boy who claimed their religious rights were violated by pro-gay comments their son's teacher had made in the classroom.
In the other case, he dismissed a free speech claim by two Oakland city employees whose managers had confiscated a bulletin board flier for a religious group that promoted "natural family, marriage and family values." The city had "significant interests in restricting discriminatory speech about homosexuals," Walker wrote in his 2005 ruling.
Until this week, though, Walker had come under more criticism for representing the U.S. Olympic Committee in a lawsuit against a gay ex-Olympian who had created the so-called Gay Olympics. Walker won, forcing the Gay Olympics to become the Gay Games. He also aggressively pursued legal fees by attaching a $97,000 lien to the home of the organization's founder while he was dying of AIDS.
Gay activists cried foul, and his appointment to a federal judgeship was delayed for two years in the waning days of Ronald Reagan's presidency.
Civil rights groups also opposed Walker's nomination because of his 15-year membership in the Olympic Club, an all-male athletic club that had admitted its first black membersonly recently. California's senior senator at the time, Democrat Alan Cranston, used the club issue to question Walker's fitness for the bench.
Observers usually describe him as a maverick who delights in keeping people guessing. They still are.
On the day of closing arguments in the gay marriage ban case, Walker said it was appropriate that the case was wrapping up in June.
"June, after all, is the month for ... " He let his deep voice trail off, and smiled at the predominantly gay courtroom.
Many froze, wondering if he would refer to the month in which San Francisco celebrates gay pride like Mardi Gras. Would that be a nod to rumors he was gay?
Walker waited a beat longer, savoring the pregnant pause.
"... weddings."
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Associated Press Writer Juliana Barbassa contributed to this story.
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http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Gay-Marriage-Trial-Judge/2010/08/06/id/366764
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get ready to be called a bigot beach :-\
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get ready to be called a bigot beach :-\
Only by the small-minded. :)
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get ready to be called a bigot beach :-\
You forgot racist. :)
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William G. Ross, an expert on judicial ethics and law professor at Samford University in Alabama, said a judge's sexual orientation has no more relevance to the ability to rule fairly on a case involving gay marriage than it would for a deeply religious judge or a judge who had been divorced multiple times.
"Under the logic of the people challenging the judge's fitness to rule on a case involving gay rights because he or she was gay, one would have to find a eunuch to serve on the case, because one could just as easily argue that a heterosexual judge couldn't rule on it either," Ross said.
This point by Ross is correct.
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This point by Ross is correct.
Perhaps. I think it's worthy of discussion, because we are talking about a lifestyle choice.
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Perhaps. I think it's worthy of discussion, because we are talking about a lifestyle choice.
Who would choose to turn their back on cooter?!!
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Who would choose to turn their back on cooter?!!
lol
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By the way-- not that it matters much now anyway-- the opinion this fruitcake judge wrote is one of the most illogical and patently offensive holdings I have ever seen. Not only is the opinion complete and utter nonsense from a legal standpoint, but from a common sense standpoint it is difficult to fathom how this idiot became a judge in the first place.
How a judge could reach a legal conclusion that the majority of Californians who voted in a public ballot ( we are talking millions of people) lacked a rational basis to conclude that marriage should be between a man and a woman is so absurd that it makes my stomach turn. This is judicial activism at it's very worst and if I was from California (even if I supported gay marriage) I would be livid. If the shoe was on the other foot and gay marriage had been approved, imagine a staunch supporter of heterosexual only marriage invalidating the votes cast by the people because in his opinion, they had no "rational basis" to reach that conclusion.
This judge basically decided to change the result of a public election because he didn't personally agree with the results. So now, the people can't decide for themselves whether or not it should approve legislation on a public ballot. We need a shitbag judge with an agenda to explain to the masses when their vote should count and when it shouldn't. Here we have an obviously gay judge nullifying a public vote based on legal principles that were literally plucked out of thin air to reach the result the judge wanted.
An absolute disgrace.
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get ready to be called a bigot beach :-\
The far left said it was perfectly fine to look into the judges' life who ruled on Obama's moritorium on drilling so I am following their lead and looking into this guys' life.
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lol
I wasn't kidding!! >:(
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I wasn't kidding!! >:(
Yeah. But it's still funny. :)
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To anyone who cares about the system of democracy we live in, this decision is a total and complete travesty and a sign of things to come. If judges can supersede the will of the people and nullify public ballots based on their own personal agendas, then our laws, Constitution and the checks and balances that set forth our way of life are completely meaningless.
Whether you support homo marriage or not, you should be outraged by this case as an American.
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To anyone who cares about the system of democracy we live in, this decision is a total and complete travesty and a sign of things to come. If judges can supersede the will of the people and nullify public ballots based on their own personal agendas, then our laws, Constitution and the checks and balances that set forth our way of life are completely meaningless.
Whether you support homo marriage or not, you should be outraged by this case as an American.
America is a republic, GW. :)
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Did his sexual orientation play a role in his decision?
Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
Friday, 06 Aug 2010
William G. Ross, an expert on judicial ethics and law professor at Samford University in Alabama, said a judge's sexual orientation has no more relevance to the ability to rule fairly on a case involving gay marriage than it would for a deeply religious judge or a judge who had been divorced multiple times.
"Under the logic of the people challenging the judge's fitness to rule on a case involving gay rights because he or she was gay, one would have to find a eunuch to serve on the case, because one could just as easily argue that a heterosexual judge couldn't rule on it either," Ross said.
exactly
what's going to happen if this goes to the Supreme Court?
Can a catholic heterosexual render an impartial ruling?
The fact is that this judge shredded the defenses case (which consisted of only 2 witnesses offering the same old tired and completely specious OPINIONS and no actual facts and if fact just made up complete bullshit)
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If this decision is affirmed by the Supreme Court, this will be the Roe v. Wade of gay marriage. It sort of already is because of how poor of a decision it is. BUt for those of you independents that get freaked out by the political activism of religous and social conservatives, just wait until the Supreme Court affirms this decision. You aint seen nothin yet!!
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fine; if he's gay he has to excuse himself due to bias..
oops, if the judge is str8, he would have to do the same thing - he would be biased for the other side.
guess that argument won't work....butt 333386 and tonymc will find a way to do it!
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fine; if he's gay he has to excuse himself due to bias..
oops, if the judge is str8, he would have to do the same thing - he would be biased for the other side.
guess that argument won't work....butt 333386 and tonymc will find a way to do it!
LOL why bring me into it?
I just want equal rights...gays have the right to sexually harrass anyone they want in a locker room...im just looking for the same right is all...
whats wrong with that?
I thought all you gays were for equal rights? I guess its only when its in your benefit huh?
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LOL why bring me into it?
I just want equal rights...gays have the right to sexually harrass anyone they want in a locker room...im just looking for the same right is all...
whats wrong with that?
I thought all you gays were for equal rights? I guess its only when its in your benefit huh?
when did gays get that right?
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when did gays get that right?
the moment they were allowed to be openly gay and be in same sex locker rooms...
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the moment they were allowed to be openly gay and be in same sex locker rooms...
LoL
"allowed" to be openly gay
how does that make them allowed to sexually harass anyone?
I think we've had this conversation before
do you get harassed alot by gay people?
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Tonymctone,
The other month some old creep pulled a heel bump while I was peeing, LOL!
My girl thought it was the funniest thing ever. >:(
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Tonymctone,
The other month some old creep pulled a heel bump while I was peeing, LOL!
My girl thought it was the funniest thing ever. >:(
Guys like this give mature men, like me, a bad name. You should have told him to keep his fucking feet where they belonged or turned and peed on his shoe.
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Tonymctone,
The other month some old creep pulled a heel bump while I was peeing, LOL!
My girl thought it was the funniest thing ever. >:(
:o
:D
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Guys like this give mature men, like me, a bad name. You should have told him to keep his fucking feet where they belonged or turned and peed on his shoe.
People who do crap like that are creeps. It has nothing to do with being gay.
Double Bee.... thanks for your compassion, LOL!
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People who do crap like that are creeps. It has nothing to do with being gay.
Double Bee.... thanks for your compassion, LOL!
Nothing to do with being gay?? Whaaat.
I have a funny story, but I ain't sharing it on the internet. lol . . .
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LoL
"allowed" to be openly gay
how does that make them allowed to sexually harass anyone?
I think we've had this conversation before
do you get harassed alot by gay people?
LMFAO we have and I refuse to have this conversation again with anybody who is so ignorant as to presume that there isnt an inequality in rights in respect to that... ;)
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Tonymctone,
The other month some old creep pulled a heel bump while I was peeing, LOL!
My girl thought it was the funniest thing ever. >:(
LOL we have this dude at my gym that is a cross dresser...no bull shitting a certified cross dresser, he was kicked out of another 24 not to far from mine for hitting on a guy in the locker room...this dude wears skin tight spandex(either hot pink or white!!!) a shirt that never covers his mid drift and sunglasses LOL always wears sunglasses. For some reason or another this mother fucker wears glitter too heaven forbid you have to use a piece of equipment after this weirdo, it looks like you just got a damn lap dance :-X :-\ >:(
apparently for straw its perfectly acceptable for this dude to be looking at us naked... ::)
if the foot tap was accidental ok lol it happens no biggie but if that shit wasnt Im sorry I would probably be pretty tempted to whoop the ever living shit out of the dude.
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LOL we have this dude at my gym that is a cross dresser...no bull shitting a certified cross dresser, he was kicked out of another 24 not to far from mine for hitting on a guy in the locker room...this dude wears skin tight spandex(either hot pink or white!!!) a shirt that never covers his mid drift and sunglasses LOL always wears sunglasses. For some reason or another this mother fucker wears glitter too heaven forbid you have to use a piece of equipment after this weirdo, it looks like you just got a damn lap dance :-X :-\ >:(
apparently for straw its perfectly acceptable for this dude to be looking at us naked... ::)
if the foot tap was accidental ok lol it happens no biggie but if that shit wasnt Im sorry I would probably be pretty tempted to whoop the ever living shit out of the dude.
It wasn't an accident, LOL! While standing there... the guy seemed off and very curious. I literally said to myself "this guy is going to find an excuse to make physical contact with me" but the feeling/thought was so ridiculous it was embarrassing. Of course when the heel kick, shoulder touch came as he walked by I wasn't shocked at all. Basically, he had a limp, kicked the heel pretending to trip, and used my shoulder for support.
I wasn't physically in danger so there was no call for violence. Sure, I grew up in the 'hood but you can't go all ghetto every time someone steps out of line and expect to be taken seriously, LOL!
My girl teased the crap out of me saying "It's because you're pretty" and immediately proceeded to tell all our mutual friends so they could laugh too. :) Her sister suggested I not wear tank tops in public. >:(
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It wasn't an accident, LOL! While standing there... the guy seemed off and very curious. I literally said to myself "this guy is going to find an excuse to make physical contact with me" but the feeling/thought was so ridiculous it was embarrassing. Of course when the heel kick, shoulder touch came as he walked by I wasn't shocked at all. Basically, he had a limp, kicked the heel pretending to trip, and used my shoulder for support.
I wasn't physically in danger so there was no call for violence. Sure, I grew up in the 'hood but you can't go all ghetto every time someone steps out of line and expect to be taken seriously, LOL!
My girl teased the crap out of me saying "It's because you're pretty" and immediately proceeded to tell all our mutual friends so they could laugh too. :) Her sister suggested I not wear tank tops in public. >:(
LOL not cool man, not cool I know you cant go off on everybody everytime but getting hit on in a mens locker room or bathroom crosses the line.
LOL at your girlfriend
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LOL not cool man, not cool I know you cant go off on everybody everytime but getting hit on in a mens locker room or bathroom crosses the line.
LOL at your girlfriend
She compared me to "Cuddles" from Robot Chicken, LOL!
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LOL we have this dude at my gym that is a cross dresser...no bull shitting a certified cross dresser, he was kicked out of another 24 not to far from mine for hitting on a guy in the locker room...this dude wears skin tight spandex(either hot pink or white!!!) a shirt that never covers his mid drift and sunglasses LOL always wears sunglasses. For some reason or another this mother fucker wears glitter too heaven forbid you have to use a piece of equipment after this weirdo, it looks like you just got a damn lap dance :-X :-\ >:(
apparently for straw its perfectly acceptable for this dude to be looking at us naked... ::)
if the foot tap was accidental ok lol it happens no biggie but if that shit wasnt Im sorry I would probably be pretty tempted to whoop the ever living shit out of the dude.
and the person was kicked out
no one is allowed to harass anyone
get over yourself
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and the person was kicked out
no one is allowed to harass anyone
get over yourself
kicked out only to go right around the corner to another 24 b/c.......................wait for it...................... .......................g ays are allowed to be in the same locker room as ppl they find sexually attractive by law
obviously if you cant even see that there is something wrong with that and there is an inequality between strights and gays you dont need to be debating this b/c youre a dumb ass
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kicked out only to go right around the corner to another 24 b/c.......................wait for it...................... .......................g ays are allowed to be in the same locker room as ppl they find sexually attractive by law
obviously if you cant even see that there is something wrong with that and there is an inequality between strights and gays you dont need to be debating this b/c youre a dumb ass
again - we've had this converstaion
gays have always been there and always will be whether they are "allowed" to be open or not
no one is allowed to harass anyone
if you're so paranoid that they gays are looking at you then work out at home or don't shower at the gym
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again - we've had this converstaion
gays have always been there and always will be whether they are "allowed" to be open or not
no one is allowed to harass anyone
if you're so paranoid that they gays are looking at you then work out at home or don't shower at the gym
LOL why should I have to just in order to accommodate the gays?
why dont the gays stay home? Im not the one hitting on others in locker rooms...
apparently for you that perfectly ok for them to have the opportunity to see someone they find sexually attractive naked...
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LOL why should I have to just in order to accommodate the gays?
why dont the gays stay home? Im not the one hitting on others in locker rooms...
apparently for you that perfectly ok for them to have the opportunity to see someone they find sexually attractive naked...
no one is allowed to harass anyone of either sex
I've never seen someone so paranoid of gay people chekcing them out as you seem to be
do you get "harassed" alot?
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no one is allowed to harass anyone of either sex
I've never seen someone so paranoid of gay people chekcing them out as you seem to be
do you get "harassed" alot?
LOL goodness gracious its not whether they do it or not ITS THE FACT THEY HAVE THE LEGAL OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO...how do you not understand that?
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LOL goodness gracious its not whether they do it or not ITS THE FACT THEY HAVE THE LEGAL OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO...how do you not understand that?
so you just IMAGINE that gay guys are harassing you or want to harass you in the locker room and that's what is making you so upset
again - no one has the "legal opportunity" to harass you so maybe if you just stop fantasizing about it you'll be able to feel better
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so you just IMAGINE that gay guys are harassing you or want to harass you in the locker room and that's what is making you so upset
again - no one has the "legal opportunity" to harass you so maybe if you just stop fantasizing about it you'll be able to feel better
LMAO so you disagree that gay ppl have the opportunity to look at ppl they find sexually attractive in locker rooms and bath rooms?
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LMAO so you disagree that gay ppl have the opportunity to look at ppl they find sexually attractive in locker rooms and bath rooms?
of course not
they can also look at you at the beach or walking down the street, etc..
no one is legally allowed to harass you
what the fuck are you so paranoid about
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of course not
they can also look at you at the beach or walking down the street, etc..
no one is legally allowed to harass you
what the fuck are you so paranoid about
LMAO you dont see the difference between the locker room/bathroom and at the beach or walking down the street?
you think its perfectly acceptable for them to be able to look at you naked?
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LMAO you dont see the difference between the locker room/bathroom and at the beach or walking down the street?
you think its perfectly acceptable for them to be able to look at you naked?
doesn't matter at all to me and I rarely even shower at my gym since it's about 5 minutes from my house and my gym locker room is disgusting. All I ever do is change my shirt (I sweat alot) and wash my hands
When I was a kid I went to a school where they made us shower after gym class and I didn't give a shit about it then either
I've belonged to commercial gyms since I was 15 and I've never had any problems
whatever problem you have it's YOUR problem and exists only in your head
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LMAO you dont see the difference between the locker room/bathroom and at the beach or walking down the street?
you think its perfectly acceptable for them to be able to look at you naked?
are you really that cute that some guy would cruise you? please post your pic; I'll make the determination.
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doesn't matter at all to me and I rarely even shower at my gym since it's about 5 minutes from my house and my gym locker room is disgusting. All I ever do is change my shirt (I sweat alot) and wash my hands
When I was a kid I went to a school where they made us shower after gym class and I didn't give a shit about it then either
I've belonged to commercial gyms since I was 15 and I've never had any problems
whatever problem you have it's YOUR problem and exists only in your head
LMAO so as long as youre ok with it that makes it ok? dumb ass
did kaje imagine his incident? so youre saying that no gay man or woman has ever hit on or looked at a person they found sexually attractive in the locker room or bathroom?
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are you really that cute that some guy would cruise you? please post your pic; I'll make the determination.
LOL i do just fine for myself there and im not going to post my pic for you to enjoy
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Is this the new flavor of the month with legal issues? Judge makes a ruling and everyone who disagrees with it goes after their personal life? Same shit happened with the deep water drilling judge.
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LMAO so as long as youre ok with it that makes it ok? dumb ass
did kaje imagine his incident? so youre saying that no gay man or woman has ever hit on or looked at a person they found sexually attractive in the locker room or bathroom?
hey dumbass - you asked me what I thought and I told you
I didn't tell you that you had to be OK with it
It does seem you've never actually been harassed and all you do is fantasize about it and then get upset
If someone is harassing you then why don't you go complain to whoever runs your gym
If no one is harassing you then stop thinking about it and just workout and don't forget to put away your weights and don't drop the dumbells.
Those are the two things I have zero tolerance for in the gym.
Actually, there are a couple of more things that piss me off. Wipe your fucking sweat off the bench and wash your clothes occasionally so we all don't have to inhale your BO.
Other than that I don't give a shit if you're queer and unlike you, I don't spend alot of time hanging out in the bathroom
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hey dumbass - you asked me what I thought and I told you
I didn't tell you that you had to be OK with it
It does seem you've never actually been harassed and all you do is fantasize about it and then get upset
If someone is harassing you then why don't you go complain to whoever runs your gym
If no one is harassing you then stop thinking about it and just workout and don't forget to put away your weights and don't drop the dumbells.
Those are the two things I have zero tolerance for in the gym.
Actually, there are a couple of more things that piss me off. Wipe your fucking sweat off the bench and wash your clothes occasionally so we all don't have to inhale your BO.
Other than that I don't give a shit if you're queer and unlike you, I don't spend alot of time hanging out in the bathroom
answer the question dim wit...
you think that nobody has ever been hit on or stared at by a gay in locker rooms or bath rooms?
are you ok with ppl getting hit on and leered at in locker rooms and bath rooms by gays
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answer the question dim wit...
you think that nobody has ever been hit on or stared at by a gay in locker rooms or bath rooms?
are you ok with ppl getting hit on and leered at in locker rooms and bath rooms by gays
I've answered your question already and I've never seen anyone leering at me in the locker room
seriously man - I think you might a problem
I've never seen anyone so paranoid that gay guys are checking him out
how old are you?
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I've answered your question already and I've never seen anyone leering at me in the locker room
seriously man - I think you might a problem
I've never seen anyone so paranoid that gay guys are checking him out
how old are you?
I didnt say you I said any gay person?
if you can concede that it has happened then are you ok with it? do you think it acceptable?
LMAO enough with the ad hominem attacks try arguing the validity, im personally not paranoid about it I could really care less either way but there is an inequality there and its extreemly hypocritical of gay rights advocates to say they want equal rights but over look issues like this...
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I didnt say you I said any gay person?
if you can concede that it has happened then are you ok with it? do you think it acceptable?
LMAO enough with the ad hominem attacks try arguing the validity, im personally not paranoid about it I could really care less either way but there is an inequality there and its extreemly hypocritical of gay rights advocates to say they want equal rights but over look issues like this...
You previously asked me what I thought and then got pissed when I answered your friggin question
dude - this conversation is absurd. I answer all your questions and you just keep getting more upset.
you think its perfectly acceptable for them to be able to look at you naked?
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LMAO so as long as youre ok with it that makes it ok? dumb ass
did kaje imagine his incident? so youre saying that no gay man or woman has ever hit on or looked at a person they found sexually attractive in the locker room or bathroom?
::) ::) ::)
just answer the damn question...
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just answer the damn question...
I think you can already figure out my answer but I'm sure it's happened
so what?
remember I alreayd told you I didn't care and then you got upset that I answered your question
Here's a question for you
why do you spend so much time thinking about gay guys looking at you?
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Chris Wallace owned :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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I think you can already figure out my answer but I'm sure it's happened
so what?
remember I alreayd told you I didn't care and then you got upset that I answered your question
Here's a question for you
why do you spend so much time thinking about gay guys looking at you?
LOL go reread my posts I personally dont care as long as they arent staring or hitting on me, its the hypocrisey of those gay rights advocate that scream for equal rights but refuse to address this issue...
so you think its acceptable for gays to be able to gays to be able to stare and hit on ppl they find sexually attractive in the locker rooms but not straights to do so?
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LOL go reread my posts I personally dont care as long as they arent staring or hitting on me, its the hypocrisey of those gay rights advocate that scream for equal rights but refuse to address this issue...
so you think its acceptable for gays to be able to gays to be able to stare and hit on ppl they find sexually attractive in the locker rooms but not straights to do so?
that's because this is not an "issue"
you yourself can't even give an example of it happening to you and the idea that they have some "right" that you don't have is patently absurd.
like I've said repeatedly, i've been a member of commercial gyms for years and I never had any problem with gay people staring or hitting on me and if it ever happens I will laugh about it.
The more you post about it on this thread the more you seem like a paranoid freak
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that's because this is not an "issue"
you yourself can't even give an example of it happening to you and the idea that they have some "right" that you don't have is patently absurd.
like I've said repeatedly, i've been a member of commercial gyms for years and I never had any problem with gay people staring or hitting on me and if it ever happens I will laugh about it.
The more you post about it on this thread the more you seem like a paranoid freak
so b/c it has never happend to me or you personally its not an issue? IC well since im not interested in gay marriage i guess that makes it not an issue as well?
you see just b/c it doesnt happen to me or you doesnt mean it doesnt happen brain child...and simply b/c youre ok with getting hit on in the mens locker room doesnt make it ok brain child...
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youve done nothing to bolster your argument other than to state your opinion...
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so b/c it has never happend to me or you personally its not an issue? IC well since im not interested in gay marriage i guess that makes it not an issue as well?
you see just b/c it doesnt happen to me or you doesnt mean it doesnt happen brain child...and simply b/c youre ok with getting hit on in the mens locker room doesnt make it ok brain child...
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youve done nothing to bolster your argument other than to state your opinion...
let's see if I understand you correctly
gay people might look at other people in a locker room or bathroom therefore they should be denied the right to get married to a person of the same sex
did I miss anything?
I'm off to the gym to train legs
do you even go to they gym or do you just sit home and tremble that some gay guy might sneak a peek at you in the shower
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let's see if I understand you correctly
gay people might look at other people in a locker room or bathroom therefore they should be denied the right to get married to a person of the same sex
did I miss anything?
I'm off to the gym to train legs
do you even go to they gym or do you just sit home and tremble that some gay guy might sneak a peek at you in the shower
LOL WTF??? when did I say that? like i said a while back a degenerative brain disorder that is rapidly progressing... ::)
have fun remember to squat, I know how you faries like to skip out on the hard exercises ;)
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Also had some young kid follow me into the steam room once after staring at my junk in the locker room. Before anyone starts.... no, two guys in the steam room isn't gay but since he was fully clothed inappropriate behavior must be assumed. :)
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LOL i do just fine for myself there and im not going to post my pic for you to enjoy
and just why do you think anyone would enjoy it? what do you have to be smug about?
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LOL WTF??? when did I say that? like i said a while back a degenerative brain disorder that is rapidly progressing... ::)
have fun remember to squat, I know how you faries like to skip out on the hard exercises ;)
well I'm just trying to decipher your typical gibberish and see if there is actually a point.
let's try again. It seems you think gays have someone been granted the right to "harass anyone they want" in the locker room and now that gays can get legally married in CA that somehow that makes you entitled to harass people in the locker room.
I've already tried to explain how utterly absurd and asinine your belief is but that doesn't seem to have sunk in so maybe you should just go ahead and start harassing people and see how it works out for you.
When you're getting your ass kicked or arrested don't forget to explain how gays have the right to harass people and get married
LOL why bring me into it?
I just want equal rights...gays have the right to sexually harass anyone they want in a locker room...im just looking for the same right is all...
whats wrong with that?
I thought all you gays were for equal rights? I guess its only when its in your benefit huh?
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well I'm just trying to decipher your typical gibberish and see if there is actually a point.
let's try again. It seems you think gays have someone been granted the right to "harass anyone they want" in the locker room and now that gays can get legally married in CA that somehow that makes you entitled to harass people in the locker room.
I've already tried to explain how utterly absurd and asinine your belief is but that doesn't seem to have sunk in so maybe you should just go ahead and start harassing people and see how it works out for you.
When you're getting your ass kicked or arrested don't forget to explain how gays have the right to harass people and get married
Whoa whoa whoa first things first...how was your workout? did you get a good pump from your smith machine lunges?
I know its hard to get sarcasm over the internet but try and use that limited intellect of yours and decipher mine...
gays havent been granted the right its the result of current laws and a growing fairy minority...just like not recognizing gay marriages...most states simply havent dealt with the problem just like this issue which will get addressed sooner or later and you can thank you politically correct bretheren for that....
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Whoa whoa whoa first things first...how was your workout? did you get a good pump from your smith machine lunges?
I know its hard to get sarcasm over the internet but try and use that limited intellect of yours and decipher mine...
gays havent been granted the right its the result of current laws and a growing fairy minority...just like not recognizing gay marriages...most states simply havent dealt with the problem just like this issue which will get addressed sooner or later and you can thank you politically correct bretheren for that....
smith machine lunges ?
is that something you do with your girlfriends at Curves?
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smith machine lunges ?
is that something you do with your girlfriends at Curves?
LOL I thought that was a leg day requirement for ladies such as yourself...am I wrong?
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LOL I thought that was a leg day requirement for ladies such as yourself...am I wrong?
of course you're wrong
you're almost always wrong
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of course you're wrong
you're almost always wrong
LOL my bad so how much did you squat today?
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LOL my bad so how much did you squat today?
do you actually want to know my workout?
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do you actually want to know my workout?
LOL youre the one who brought it up like you wanted a cookie for doing legs...so sure why not
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LOL youre the one who brought it up like you wanted a cookie for doing legs...so sure why not
wanted a cookie?
how old are you again?
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wanted a cookie?
how old are you again?
I'm off to the gym to train legs
do you even go to they gym or do you just sit home and tremble that some gay guy might sneak a peek at you in the shower
LOL ya wanted a cookie...
and darling I may not be the biggest mofo in the gym but Im decently strong especially for my weight and ya i hit the gym from time to time...
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LOL ya wanted a cookie...
and darling I may not be the biggest mofo in the gym but Im decently strong especially for my weight and ya i hit the gym from time to time...
you seem insecure
why do you think I want to see a picture of your legs
are you trying to "harass" me?
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you seem insecure
why do you think I want to see a picture of your legs
are you trying to "harass" me?
LOL sure pookie, sure...
you want a cookie for training legs(probably smith machine lunges) then ask if I even work out...
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LOL sure pookie, sure...
you want a cookie for training legs(probably smith machine lunges) then ask if I even work out...
who is pookie?
are you queer?
is that what this is all about?
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who is pookie?
are you queer?
is that what this is all about?
LOL dude all youve done in this thread much like the washington is a liberal thread is own yourself...
youve given nothing but your opinion and tried to pass that off as some sort of reasoning against facts. You then turned to ad hominem attacks asking if i even work out LOL....
i know logic is a bitch for you straw but if I were gay would i be arguing for not having gays in locker rooms?
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nice leg pic, though; the chorus girls in Las Vegas do that same pose...
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tony - 0
nice leg pic, though; the chorus girls in Las Vegas do that same pose...
LOL ya personal opinion trumps fact in the mind of a pro gay rights advocate...what a shock...
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is it personal opinion that your leg pose is like a LV chorus girl?
haven't you seen any pics of the the productions? Make it closer to home - the NYC Rockettes.
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LOL dude all youve done in this thread much like the washington is a liberal thread is own yourself...
youve given nothing but your opinion and tried to pass that off as some sort of reasoning against facts. You then turned to ad hominem attacks asking if i even work out LOL....
i know logic is a bitch for you straw but if I were gay would i be arguing for not having gays in locker rooms?
let's review - you started on the first page of this idiotic statement:
I just want equal rights...gays have the right to sexually harrass anyone they want in a locker room...
this comment of yours is so stupid that even your usual cohorts won't jump in to help you out but that doesn't stop you from plowing ahead
then you admitted it's never actually happened to you but just something you fantasize about and then worry about.
and finally after 3 pages of running in circles you decide to show me a picture of your legs
Another successful death spiral for you but I have to give you credit for doing it much quicker than usual
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let's review - you started on the first page of this idiotic statement:
this comment of yours is so stupid that even your usual cohorts won't jump in to help you out but that doesn't stop you from plowing ahead
then you admitted it's never actually happened to you but just something you fantasize about and then worry about.
and finally after 3 pages of running in circles you decide to show me a picture of your legs
Another successful death spiral for you but I have to give you credit for doing it much quicker than usual
LMAO its called hyperbole you moron...fact is that the law doesnt give them the outright right to do so BUT fact is that the law does inadvertatly give them that ability protected by law....
Fact gays can be in locker rooms/bath rooms with those they find sexually attractive by law...
fact straights cannot be by law...
opinion its ok for that to happen
fact there is an inequality in rights...
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LMAO its called hyperbole you moron...fact is that the law doesnt give them the outright right to do so BUT fact is that the law does inadvertatly give them that ability protected by law....
Fact gays can be in locker rooms/bath rooms with those they find sexually attractive by law...
fact straights cannot be by law...
opinion its ok for that to happen
fact there is an inequality in rights...
you're seem to be in a perpetual state of confusion
explain if you can how sharing a locker room = sexual harassement
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you're seem to be in a perpetual state of confusion
explain if you can how sharing a locker room = sexual harassement
LOL define sexual harrasement...
http://www.sexualharassmentsupport.org/SHEd.html
types of sexual harrassment...
"spying on someone while they are showering or dressing"
HMMMMMMM why would one do that in a locker room? a straight person wouldnt b/c well they arent attracting to dudes but a gay person?
I didnt say that just b/c gays are in the locker room they sexually harrass ppl but the fact is they have the motive to and the opportunity...
this is why guys and girls dont share locker rooms...but apparently its ok for gays and straights even though it presents the same problem as guys and girls...
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LOL define sexual harrasement...
http://www.sexualharassmentsupport.org/SHEd.html
types of sexual harrassment...
"spying on someone while they are showering or dressing"
HMMMMMMM why would one do that in a locker room? a straight person wouldnt b/c well they arent attracting to dudes but a gay person?
I didnt say that just b/c gays are in the locker room they sexually harrass ppl but the fact is they have the motive to and the opportunity...
this is why guys and girls dont share locker rooms...but apparently its ok for gays and straights even though it presents the same problem as guys and girls...
so you believe the very fact that gay people exist and share a locker room means that they automatically sexually harassing you?
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so you believe the very fact that gay people exist and share a locker room means that they automatically sexually harassing you?
I didnt say that just b/c gays are in the locker room they sexually harrass ppl but the fact is they have the motive to and the opportunity...[/b]
this is why guys and girls dont share locker rooms...but apparently its ok for gays and straights even though it presents the same problem as guys and girls...
OMG like I said a degenerative brain disorder that is rapidly progressing...
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OMG like I said a degenerative brain disorder that is rapidly progressing...
dude -this is what I mean when I say you just go around in circles.
you're really fucking confused aren't you.
Let me ask you a simple question.
Is it possible for gay person to share a locker room with a straight person and not sexually harass them?
Yes or NO
if No then exlain why
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dude -this is what I mean when I say you just go around in circles.
you're really fucking confused aren't you.
Let me ask you a simple question.
Is it possible for gay person to share a locker room with a straight person and not sexually harass them?
Yes or NO
if No then exlain why
LOL without a doubt its possible, its possible that a straight person to be in an the locker room of the opposite sex and not sexually harrass them but we still arent allowed to do that are we?
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LOL without a doubt its possible, its possible that a straight person to be in an the locker room of the opposite sex and not sexually harrass them but we still arent allowed to do that are we?
good, at least you're somewhat rational.
so, until someone actually harasses you then you have nothing to bitch about and the last 3 pages, was completely pointless. It's never happened to you or me and my guess would be that's it's rare to non-existent in most gyms and your statement that "gays have the right to sexually harrass anyone they want in a locker room" is completely unfounded and utterly ridiculous
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good, at least you're somewhat rational.
so, until someone actually harasses you then you have nothing to bitch about and the last 3 pages, was completely pointless. It's never happened to you or me and my guess would be that's it's rare to non-existent in most gyms and your statement that "gays have the right to sexually harrass anyone they want in a locker room" is completely unfounded and utterly ridiculous
LOL so you believe that no gay person has ever stared at or hit on anybody in a locker room or bath room?
as long as its never happend to me than I cant have a valid view of the inequality that is there?
its idiotic to think that b/c it hasnt happend to me my opinion doesnt count...
whether it happens or doesnt happen IS NOT THE POINT and has no relevance to this conversation...goodness gracious...
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Straw Man; thanks for playing along with Tony.
He is concerned about males/females in the same shower area; I've posted pics here before showing co ed shower areas already exist. He just hasn't found the right one yet.
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Straw Man; thanks for playing along with Tony.
He is concerned about males/females in the same shower area; I've posted pics here before showing co ed shower areas already exist. He just hasn't found the right one yet.
they most certainly do, show me where gays and straights are seperated...
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they most certainly do, show me where gays and straights are seperated...
in the military..... oh wait, not there either.
the military is full of gay people who share close quarters with straight people
someday, maybe, you'll finally realize that the problem you're having is YOUR problem and exists inside your skull.
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Straw Man; thanks for playing along with Tony.
Do you have tourette's syndrome? You keep repeating yourself, stuttering fag.
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in the military..... oh wait, not there either.
the military is full of gay people who share close quarters with straight people
someday, maybe, you'll finally realize that the problem you're having is YOUR problem and exists inside your skull.
actually what ive laid out are facts
what youve laid out are opinions...
facts>opinions...sorry hoss thats just the way it works
fact is gays are allowed to be in locker rooms with ppl they find sexually attractive...fact is ppl do get hit on by gays in locker rooms(even if it hasnt happend to me or you)...fact is that its not acceptable and will likely one day be addressed just like gay marriage...deal with it
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actually what ive laid out are facts
what youve laid out are opinions...
facts>opinions...sorry hoss thats just the way it works
fact is gays are allowed to be in locker rooms with ppl they find sexually attractive...fact is ppl do get hit on by gays in locker rooms(even if it hasnt happend to me or you)...fact is that its not acceptable and will likely one day be addressed just like gay marriage...deal with it
is this statement of yours one of those "facts"
I just want equal rights...gays have the right to sexually harrass anyone they want in a locker room...
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is this statement of yours one of those "facts"
LOL again hyperbole....did you miss that post as well? degenerative brain disorder that is rapidly progressing ::)
they do have the right to be in a situation where they can see ppl they find sexually attractive naked...or do you disagree with that?
hmmm wonder why straights get arrested for doing that but gays get a pass...seems fair, right? ::)
LOL there is an inequality there and it will get dealt with eventually again DEAL WITH IT...
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LOL again hyperbole....did you miss that post as well? degenerative brain disorder that is rapidly progressing ::)
they do have the right to be in a situation where they can see ppl they find sexually attractive naked...or do you disagree with that?
hmmm wonder why straights get arrested for doing that but gays get a pass...seems fair, right? ::)
LOL there is an inequality there and it will get dealt with eventually again DEAL WITH IT...
hyperbole = the statement is false
no one has the right to harass anyone and you're upset about something that's never even happened to you and I'm sure you know the odds are likely that you have or presently do share a locker room with some gay people
get over it
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hyperbole = the statement is false
no one has the right to harass anyone and you're upset about something that's never even happened to you and I'm sure you know the odds are likely that you have or presently do share a locker room with some gay people
get over it
LOL did you get that definition from the same dictionary you got your definition of hypocrisey from? LMAO
I see so b/c its never happend to me I cant be upset about the inequality and harrassment that does occur...that is unless you think that no gay person has ever looked at or hit on someone they found sexually attractive in a locker room?
again fact they have the right to be in a place where they can look at ppl they find sexually attractive naked...straights get arrested for doing that but I guess b/c they are gay it makes it ok... ::)
this will get addressed sooner or later...get over it...
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LOL did you get that definition from the same dictionary you got your definition of hypocrisey from? LMAO
I see so b/c its never happend to me I cant be upset about the inequality and harrassment that does occur...that is unless you think that no gay person has ever looked at or hit on someone they found sexually attractive in a locker room?
again fact they have the right to be in a place where they can look at ppl they find sexually attractive naked...straights get arrested for doing that but I guess b/c they are gay it makes it ok... ::)
this will get addressed sooner or later...get over it...
no that definition is strictly applied to your bullshit statement
your statement is not hyperbole it is factually incorrect
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no that definition is strictly applied to your bullshit statement
your statement is not hyperbole it is factually incorrect
way to address the issue...
again FACT>opinion...deal with it
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I don't know about sexual harassment by gays in the locker room, but tony has been intellectually harassed by Straw for four pages now.
Give up dude, you can't back pedal anymore after you fall off a cliff.
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I don't know about sexual harassment by gays in the locker room, but tony has been intellectually harassed by Straw for four pages now.
Give up dude, you can't back pedal anymore after you fall off a cliff.
lmao
FACTS>opinions...
what facts has he stated?
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lmao
FACTS>opinions...
what facts has he stated?
His entire dissection of your "facts" regarding legal sexual harassment is all he needed to do. You can't substitute projection and "hyperbole" for facts yourself you know.
I guess you have to try again.
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His entire dissection of your "facts" regarding legal sexual harassment is all he needed to do. You can't substitute projection and "hyperbole" for facts yourself you know.
I guess you have to try again.
ok well lets see here dispute these facts...
gays are allowed to be in a place where they can view ppl they find sexually attractive naked...straights get arrested for doing this in the places that gays are allowed to do this...
fact
gays are LEGALLY allowed to be in these places
fact
straights are LEGALLY barred from being in these places...
fact
again just b/c youre personally ok with it doesnt change the facts and doesnt change the facts
FACTS>opinions
dispute these facts...
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You appear to want to be oogled by gays.
FACT
You seem highly disturbed that gays might be in those places and WON'T oogle you.
FACT
You are reducing a completely irrelevant issue of marriage down to nothing more than juvenile sexual immaturity as though gays are nothing more than 13 year olds with their first nudie magazine. (Projection much?)
FACT
Your argument about "legally harassing" is bullshit because no harassment is legal.
FACT
Try again with better facts I suppose. You ain't done much here with what you got so far. Straw took you and your little rant apart fairly easy.
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Do you have tourette's syndrome? You keep repeating yourself, stuttering fag.
lol; thanks for taking time to reply. it does take more than being called a fag to be considered an insult.
and, I just like to encourage others to play along here.
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You appear to want to be oogled by gays.
FACT
You seem highly disturbed that gays might be in those places and WON'T oogle you.
FACT
You are reducing a completely irrelevant issue of marriage down to nothing more than juvenile sexual immaturity as though gays are nothing more than 13 year olds with their first nudie magazine. (Projection much?)
FACT
Your argument about "legally harassing" is bullshit because no harassment is legal.
FACT
Try again with better facts I suppose. You ain't done much here with what you got so far. Straw took you and your little rant apart fairly easy.
all great, interesting and funny points. please keep up the posts; it just gets them all the more riled up. which is the point here!
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You appear to want to be oogled by gays.
FACT
You seem highly disturbed that gays might be in those places and WON'T oogle you.
FACT
You are reducing a completely irrelevant issue of marriage down to nothing more than juvenile sexual immaturity as though gays are nothing more than 13 year olds with their first nudie magazine. (Projection much?)
FACT
Your argument about "legally harassing" is bullshit because no harassment is legal.
FACT
Try again with better facts I suppose. You ain't done much here with what you got so far. Straw took you and your little rant apart fairly easy.
1.This is an opinion not a fact...I actually dont give a shit one way or the other I just cant stand the hypocrisey of retards such as yourself and straw.
2. This is an opinion not a fact...This has nothing to do with gay marriage in which I am in favor of giving everyone civil unions not just gays but straights too...AGAIN EQUAL...
3. Reread the thread and get back to me when you catch up...
4.reread the thread and get back to me...
FACTS>opinions...
dispute the facts...with facts not opinions...
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Tony - it must be tough for you when nobody understands what is so obvious to you.
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a hoot.
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Tony - it must be tough for you when nobody understands what is so obvious to you.
As I know your disorder Ill remind you that many ppl do...doc, oz, beach, hugo and many others have agreed with me on this during the many many times me and you have posted on this topic...
LOL if chad and lurker make you feel better about your opinion and make you believe that your opinion trumps the FACTS...then your disorder has progressed to a point that Im not sure you should be in public by yourself...
again FACTS>opinions
Ive stated facts...youve stated opinions...
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.doc, oz, beach, hugo and many others
Then perhaps you should get one of those to articulate your point for you because you have failed to make it. Whatever it is.
You fail simply because you base your entire argument on the premise of "legal harassment". Harassment is not legal at all. No matter what gender or what sexuality. Saying "legal harassment" is about as clueless as saying "legal rape" or "legal theft". It makes no sense. Just like your posts.
You already have showed yourself as biased because as you claim you want to right to go into women locker rooms and "legally harass" ::) them. I am beginning to think you have never seen a pair of titties in your life.
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Then perhaps you should get one of those to articulate your point for you because you have failed to make it. Whatever it is.
You fail simply because you base your entire argument on the premise of "legal harassment". Harassment is not legal at all. No matter what gender or what sexuality. Saying "legal harassment" is about as clueless as saying "legal rape" or "legal theft". It makes no sense. Just like your posts.
You already have showed yourself as biased because as you claim you want to right to go into women locker rooms and "legally harass" ::) them. I am beginning to think you have never seen a pair of titties in your life.
LOL WOW again reread the article...the legal harrassment was hyperbole...you do know what hyperbole is dont you?
fact is though they are legally allowed to be in a position where they can sexually harrass naked ppl they find sexually attractive...
again dispute the fact...
FACTS>opinions...
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LOL WOW again reread the article...the legal harrassment was hyperbole...you do know what hyperbole is dont you?
fact is though they are legally allowed to be in a position where they can sexually harrass naked ppl they find sexually attractive...
again dispute the fact...
FACTS>opinions...
No, they are not LEGALLY allowed anything.
Again, your entire argument is based on a flawed viewpoint and biased outlook.
I am LEGALLY allowed to be in the same supermarket as black people. If I wanted to harass them, it would not make a whit of difference of WHERE it occurred. Instead, it would be about WHAT my actions were. Not the right that I or the black people had to be in that supermarket.
If you want to talk nonsense and chase your tail in circles because not a single other person is coming forward to support/defend/explain this stupid argument you are choking on, then that is your problem. Seriously, turn on HBO and see a set of tits for once and then you will move forward from the 9 year old stance.
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No, they are not LEGALLY allowed anything.
Again, your entire argument is based on a flawed viewpoint and biased outlook.
I am LEGALLY allowed to be in the same supermarket as black people. If I wanted to harass them, it would not make a whit of difference of WHERE it occurred. Instead, it would be about WHAT my actions were. Not the right that I or the black people had to be in that supermarket.
If you want to talk nonsense and chase your tail in circles because not a single other person is coming forward to support/defend/explain this stupid argument you are choking on, then that is your problem. Seriously, turn on HBO and see a set of tits for once and then you will move forward from the 9 year old stance.
youre correct but...
ahhh you see there is a difference we seperate men and women in the situation that gays are allowed to be in b/c there is a potential for sexual harrassment...why are gays allowed to be in that situation when it was deemed straights shouldnt be?
nobody else is denied to be in the supermarket...
LOL youre coming along keep following the cheese...
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youre correct but...
ahhh you see there is a difference we seperate men and women in the situation that gays are allowed to be in b/c there is a potential for sexual harrassment...why are gays allowed to be in that situation when it was deemed straights shouldnt be?
nobody else is denied to be in the supermarket...
LOL youre coming along keep following the cheese...
Tony I think the issue is privacy more than sexual harassment. We separate women and men in bathrooms and showers primarily due to privacy.
You definitely raise a legitimate point (one that I've raised many times before), that there are privacy concerns with allowing openly gay men and women to share the same facilities as heterosexual men and women. Gays and lesbians are akin to the "opposite sex." There really isn't any logical distinction. It is something that needs to be addressed.
The contention that they already share facilities is silly, because they don't do so openly. It would be like saying a man disguised as a woman is sharing facilities with women and the women don’t care.
But good luck trying to reason with some of these folks. :)
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Tony I think the issue is privacy more than sexual harassment. We separate women and men in bathrooms and showers primarily due to privacy.
You definitely raise a legitimate point (one that I've raised many times before), that there are privacy concerns with allowing openly gay men and women to share the same facilities as heterosexual men and women. Gays and lesbians are akin to the "opposite sex." There really isn't any logical distinction. It is something that needs to be addressed.
The contention that they already share facilities is silly, because they don't do so openly. It would be like saying a man disguised as a woman is sharing facilities with women and the women don’t care.
But good luck trying to reason with some of these folks. :)
Agreed about the privacy...why is there a need for privacy? b/c of there are opposite sexes, and what the significance of that? they are sexually attracted to one another just like gays with ppl of the same sex...
Privacy is definitely a part of it probably the biggest part but the reasons behind the need for privacy are important. You illustrated quite eloquently with your cross dressing scenario something I had never thought of using in the debates such as this...thanks
Ya I know, I dont expect to change any minds but the simple fact they dont see the issue and continue to deny it is uber ignorant to me and I would think a person of rational thought would see it but then again...
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youre correct but...
ahhh you see there is a difference we seperate men and women in the situation that gays are allowed to be in b/c there is a potential for sexual harrassment...why are gays allowed to be in that situation when it was deemed straights shouldnt be?
nobody else is denied to be in the supermarket...
LOL youre coming along keep following the cheese...
Because it is a separation due to GENDER, not SEXUALITY. Duh!!!!!
Why do you seem so eager to assume that gays are going to engage in sexual harassment? Hey NEWS FLASH!! There are already gays in your locker room. Deal with it.
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Because it is a separation due to GENDER, not SEXUALITY. Duh!!!!!
Why do you seem so eager to assume that gays are going to engage in sexual harassment? Hey NEWS FLASH!! There are already gays in your locker room. Deal with it.
LOL YES you made the logical leap...
now why does gender matter?
again youre doing good keep following the cheese...
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There is no cheese to follow. There is nothing more than you continuing to blow smoke out of your ass over a insipid and biased viewpoint that has absolutely NO bearing or logical argument in the context of anything.
But if this is how you entertain yourself, please continue. As I said earlier... not a single person has come along to try to help you out with this delusional compairson.
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There is no cheese to follow. There is nothing more than you continuing to blow smoke out of your ass over a insipid and biased viewpoint that has absolutely NO bearing or logical argument in the context of anything.
But if this is how you entertain yourself, please continue. As I said earlier... not a single person has come along to try to help you out with this delusional compairson.
hahahah you stopped right before enlightenment...
answer the question...why does gender matter? it isnt some arbitrary attribute there is reasoning behind seperating ppl by gender...what is it?
LOL I suspect you already know and now see the folly in your stance...but if you dont then please tell us why gender matters?
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Tony I think the issue is privacy more than sexual harassment. We separate women and men in bathrooms and showers primarily due to privacy.
You definitely raise a legitimate point (one that I've raised many times before), that there are privacy concerns with allowing openly gay men and women to share the same facilities as heterosexual men and women. Gays and lesbians are akin to the "opposite sex." There really isn't any logical distinction. It is something that needs to be addressed.
The contention that they already share facilities is silly, because they don't do so openly. It would be like saying a man disguised as a woman is sharing facilities with women and the women don’t care.
But good luck trying to reason with some of these folks. :)
LOL actually someone has come along to help...
and many others have expressed the issue in past threads...
but just for you ill lay it out kindergarden style...
what is the reason for seperating ppl by gender?
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In your mind it is because of sexuality reasons. In legal opinion it is due to gender.
Kind of sad you have to actually ask the person calling you on your bullshit what you are trying to say exactly. Seems as though you don't buy into your own whining.
Not surprising Straw took you apart so easily.
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In your mind it is because of sexuality reasons. In legal opinion it is due to gender.
Kind of sad you have to actually ask the person calling you on your bullshit what you are trying to say exactly. Seems as though you don't buy into your own whining.
Not surprising Straw took you apart so easily.
LOL im trying to let you lead yourself lurker...obviously me telling you wont work b/c I could say the sky is blue and you would disagree just to disagree...
the legal differentation is gender but thats not the reason for the seperation by gender that is as you stated for sexuality reasons...
please elaborate on that for me
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Apparently the rest of us are not as fluent in stupid as Tony is.
Hence the conversation with himself.
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Apparently the rest of us are not as fluent in stupid as Tony is.
Hence the conversation with himself.
LOL you plan on elaborating or just using ad homenim attacks to distract from the issue?
we were at the reasoning for seperating by gender is for "sexuality reasons" please elaborate on that for me...
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You are asking me to explain your own failing logic?
Another sign you are out of material.
Are you "legally" retarded?
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You are asking me to explain your own failing logic?
Another sign you are out of material.
Are you "legally" retarded?
LOL wow...
lets review
you said that men and women are seperated in locker rooms b/c of gender...which is true
when asked the reasonig behind seperating by gender you said it was for sexuality reasons...
I asked you to elaborate on YOUR POINT...and I cant explain my own logic?
LMAO
just please elaborate on YOUR OWN POINT that we seperate by gender b/c of sexuality...
Im waiting...
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LOL wow...
lets review
you said that men and women are seperated in locker rooms b/c of gender...which is true
when asked the reasonig behind seperating by gender you said it was for sexuality reasons...
I asked you to elaborate on YOUR POINT...and I cant explain my own logic?
LMAO
just please elaborate on YOUR OWN POINT that we seperate by gender b/c of sexuality...
Im waiting...
Again, you spin your wheels in circles simply because you have nowhere to take this conversation anymore since you have FAILED.
I bolded the parts above which is yet one more contradiction that you have uttered on here.
If you don't understand the difference between gender and sexuality, then I can't help you there. Just like no one else could help you with your original whinefest about it resulting in "legal harassment" which you made the cornerstone of your (failing) argument. Neither gender nor sexuality equates, contributes, or causes "legal harassment" Now you want to play a little baiting game and split the conversation down into arguing juvenile semantics in hopes that someone else will explain your own logic to you.
No wonder you are still waiting. Childish games like this is above the rest of us.
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Again, you spin your wheels in circles simply because you have nowhere to take this conversation anymore since you have FAILED.
I bolded the parts above which is yet one more contradiction that you have uttered on here.
If you don't understand the difference between gender and sexuality, then I can't help you there. Just like no one else could help you with your original whinefest about it resulting in "legal harassment" which you made the cornerstone of your (failing) argument. Neither gender nor sexuality equates, contributes, or causes "legal harassment" Now you want to play a little baiting game and split the conversation down into arguing juvenile semantics in hopes that someone else will explain your own logic to you.
No wonder you are still waiting. Childish games like this is above the rest of us.
LOL lurker I apologize I misread your statement,
you say its b/c of gender...you can agree on that?
what is the reasoning behind using gender