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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: Darren Avey on August 24, 2010, 07:45:41 AM
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Muslims will see it as planting a victory flag where the world trade center was destroyed by them.
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Muslims will see it as planting a victory flag where the world trade center was destroyed by them.
And if i am ever in NYC I am going to shit in the pool.
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Muslims will see it as planting a victory flag where the world trade center was destroyed by them.
It won't get built, nor will anything on that site...
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Muslims will see it as planting a victory flag where the world trade center was destroyed by them.
What in the f are you talking about?
The terrorist who were responsible for what happened on 911 are no more representative of Islam than some nutjob who goes goes out and fire bombs an abortion clinic or some kkk members doing their dirt in the name of Christianity.
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What in the f are you talking about?
The terrorist who were responsible for what happened on 911 are no more representative of Islam than some nutjob who goes goes out and fire bombs an abortion clinic or some kkk members doing their dirt in the name of Christianity.
religion of peace.... ::)
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What in the f are you talking about?
The terrorist who were responsible for what happened on 911 are no more representative of Islam than some nutjob who goes goes out and fire bombs an abortion clinic or some kkk members doing their dirt in the name of Christianity.
Really? Let me assurre you i know a lot of Muslims as i have the misfortune to work in Slough,West of London which is like a mini Pakistan. They ALL think America deserved 9/11 and in their homes and garages there are pictures of the US flag on fire.
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will the construction of churches and synagauges also be banend in the area ???
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religion of peace.... ::)
Well here is an idea for those who think that Islam promotes terrorism and the killing on non muslims...
There are multiple sites that will send you a free Quran. Instead of pulling up verses online or reading anti Islamic propaganda, why not actually get the book and read it in it's entirety?
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Really? Let me assurre you i know a lot of Muslims as i have the misfortune to work in Slough,West of London which is like a mini Pakistan. They ALL think America deserved 9/11 and in their homes and garages there are pictures of the US flag on fire.
and I see a good ammount of muslims on a daily basis and they are the nicest and most respectful people ever =)
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will the construction of churches and synagauges also be banend in the area ???
while this stupid topic is at the forefront of our minds (by our i dont include me)...the bad economy is conveniently tucked away in the back
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well played obammmer
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i thought in usa freedom of religion was celebrated, and dicrimination based on religion was illegal?
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and I see a good ammount of muslims on a daily basis and they are the nicest and most respectful people ever =)
no mang...all muslims r 3rd world uneducated religious fanatics....that yearn to die and earn 70 virgins...the 70 virgin thing is in the koran...
....since i ws born muslim i read the koran and i sorta missed that bit but its seriously in there....
..someplace
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i thought in usa freedom of religion was celebrated, and dicrimination based on religion was illegal?
unless u r anti israel...then u r the enemy
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Really? Let me assurre you i know a lot of Muslims as i have the misfortune to work in Slough,West of London which is like a mini Pakistan. They ALL think America deserved 9/11 and in their homes and garages there are pictures of the US flag on fire.
Lol and there are many people in the states advocating the invasion of Iraq FOR NO FUCKING REASON. Hardly a surprise. Just look at american involment in the middle east, It's never positive, and usually involves the American's doing whatever it takes to get what they want.
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America does what it wants and takes what it wants because America rules the fucking world!!! And dont you ever forget that!!!
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Really? Let me assurre you i know a lot of Muslims as i have the misfortune to work in Slough,West of London which is like a mini Pakistan. They ALL think America deserved 9/11 and in their homes and garages there are pictures of the US flag on fire.
u r in london...i call whats happening to yall poetic justice you colonizing bastards ;D
you alllowed the lowest of the lower classes into your country...
i grew up in Karachi Pakistan....we wouldn't even allow those people into our neighborhoods....the r uneducated...low selfesteemed idiots that quantify their short comings by venting...thru religion...
we used to drive them from our neighbourhoods if they came by beating the crap out of 1 and setting an example..and then they wouldn't dare encroach....this is IN KARACHI where i lived till i ws 15.
you guys allowed this scum into your country and our laws protects them....and now you blame all of islam...pfft... ::) YOUR FAULT....quit whining like a bytch
blame your govt for putting up with it
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i thought in usa freedom of religion was celebrated, and dicrimination based on religion was illegal?
It is gimmick. But some things are bad taste. Yet, I really could care less if they built a mosque there tho. I think I would be get cuss you could just watch the muslims, and if their get the hell out of there, you should too. They need shirts that say, " if I'm running, follow me".
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America does what it wants and takes what it wants because America rules the fucking world!!! And dont you ever forget that!!!
i agree....
unfortunately we take a back seat to israel....
whose bright idea ws it anyways to put that many jews smack dab in the middle of the middle east??
hitler killed jews...why not give them part of germany eh?
think about that?
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It's in the Muslim culture, and they have always built mosques where they have defeated enemy or conquered land.
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Islam both allows and forbids murder and violence, depending on who is the recipient of the act.
Allowed:
"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)
The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5). "Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29) Note: These verses distinguish between warfare against pagans, and against Jews and Christians.[17]
"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).
"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).
"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).
"for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22)
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as I stated before, even the head of a large Canadian Muslium Assocation is against the Mosque.
that says something
in his own words, 'the terrorists were still members of our own faith'
he feels its disrespectful to the victims.
and he is 100% correct.
its in bad taste.
doesn't matter though. someone in New York will vandalize the shit out of that place or blow it up. thats a target waiting to happen if you ask me.
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people are stupid. that is all.
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as I stated before, even the head of a large Canadian Muslium Assocation is against the Mosque.
that says something
in his own words, 'the terrorists were still members of our own faith'
he feels its disrespectful to the victims.
and he is 100% correct.
its in bad taste.
doesn't matter though. someone in New York will vandalize the shit out of that place or blow it up. thats a target waiting to happen if you ask me.
Agreed very bad taste, otherwise well within their rights. I just hope they don't get any special protection. Because without it their fucked.
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FucKken one term prez lets allow skin heads and KKK members to build a recruit center next the the white house see how he feels about that
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will the construction of churches and synagauges also be banend in the area ???
No religeous stuff can be on the actual ground zero 9/11 site. This mosque - community center compound is two blocks from the actual ground zero site. I am NOT a person of faith but don't like the idea of this being so close to the 9/11 site.
Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia sure as hell don't allow for christain buildings near Mecca and Madina!
Having said that, the separation clause is pretty clear and we as Americans can NOT descriminate on the basis of religion.
" The United States is forbiden from the establishment of any official , state sponsored faith. Nor can they prohibit any faith from the practice of their religion."
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What an f-ing idiot.....where is he when public schools are banning Christian prayer?
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FucKken one term prez lets allow skin heads and KKK members to build a recruit center next the the white house see how he feels about that
If it was legal to build and they could buy it, it would ILLEGAL for even the neo nazi party to be banned on political or religeous grounds.
Unless a group does actual harm, you can't ban them from an area.
Granted , I think that a mosque 2 blocks from ground zero is in poor tatse. BUT not likeling something is legal grounds to ban it.
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I'm sure the New Yorkers think it will make great kindle for a fire 8)
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I hope someone wigs out and crashes an American plane into that phuckin Mosque,just to see how they like it..
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What an f-ing idiot.....where is he when public schools are banning Christian prayer?
That's pretty much is the idea of your country, please read anything on political theory before you make any more of these ignorant statements, please man I'm begging ya I'll suck your dick if you just spend five minutes a month reading instead of just quoting fox news. Christian schools can't ban kids from praying they can ban teachers from promoting any religion though, as their paid for by the state. You honestly think a teacher would get away with advocating islam?
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I hope someone wigs out and crashes an American plane into that phuckin Mosque,just to see how they like it..
I would rather we all just ignore 'em and if they get out of line, sue them into bankruptcy.
Be a lot more fun to see a top NY Jewish law firm ;), sue the mosque over some bad act and take all their cash, thus shutting them down and out of business.
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That's pretty much is the idea of your country, please read anything on political theory before you make any more of these ignorant statements, please man I'm begging ya I'll suck your dick if you just spend five minutes a month reading instead of just quoting fox news. Christian schools can't ban kids from praying they can ban teachers from promoting any religion though, as their paid for by the state. You honestly think a teacher would get away with advocating islam?
If you're not from this country then why is your Obama liberal loving ass even commenting? You have no clue Junior. If you advocate ANYTHING this president does please feel free to shoot yourself.
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If you're not from this country then why is your Obama liberal loving ass even commenting? You have no clue Junior. If you advocate ANYTHING this president does please feel free to shoot yourself.
Obviously, you need to watch MORE, a lot more Fox news and ,listen to Rush on your radio hehehe
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jews-christians-muslims= all the same... anyone claiming they are christian and opposed to islam is ignorant, plain and simple.
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The problem is Howard liberals have ZERO commonsense and their idiologies are completely backwards.
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If you're not from this country then why is your Obama liberal loving ass even commenting? You have no clue Junior. If you advocate ANYTHING this president does please feel free to shoot yourself.
I don't love Obama could care less about him as he's done nothing bad or good, as I said before he's not significant. What drives me nuts is that you've read the Childs guide to politics and rely on "he's a traitor", "he's a terrorist", "he's a socialist", for all your "views" on politics. And don't act like somehow I can't comment on american politics, I'll do that when that when american's realize washington is fucking with them and the rest of the world.
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as I stated before, even the head of a large Canadian Muslium Assocation is against the Mosque.
that says something
in his own words, 'the terrorists were still members of our own faith'
he feels its disrespectful to the victims.
and he is 100% correct.
its in bad taste.
doesn't matter though. someone in New York will vandalize the shit out of that place or blow it up. thats a target waiting to happen if you ask me.
Well put Hulkster.
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one good thing obama has done that has gotten zero press coverage is pulled us out of iraq. the last combat troops left iraq just a little while ago, a week or so.
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The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "
un true...or as i ws brought up...it tells to lead by example and be better than the Christians and Jews and show them by example that Islam is the right religion
goggling and pasting the Koran as proof is fallicy as ..well..i cant believe u r too stupid to know
"not everything on the internet is true" :-\
..this ..coming from an atheist
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I don't love Obama could care less about him as he's done nothing bad or good, as I said before he's not significant. What drives me nuts is that you've read the Childs guide to politics and rely on "he's a traitor", "he's a terrorist", "he's a socialist", for all your "views" on politics. And don't act like somehow I can't comment on american politics, I'll do that when that when american's realize washington is fucking with them and the rest of the world.
I never said he was a terrorist but by definition he is a a traitor and socialist and to take it one step further a marxist. For everything someone says he did "good" I can name 5 things he's done "bad". And even though he isn't a terrorist, IMO, he is a terrorist sympathizer.
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Well here is an idea for those who think that Islam promotes terrorism and the killing on non muslims...
There are multiple sites that will send you a free Quran. Instead of pulling up verses online or reading anti Islamic propaganda, why not actually get the book and read it in it's entirety?
No thanks, I have plenty of toilet paper.
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I never said he was a terrorist but by definition he is a a traitor and socialist and to take it one step further a marxist. For everything someone says he did "good" I can name 5 things he's done "bad". And even though he isn't a terrorist, IMO, he is a terrorist sympathizer.
youve never read karl marx, how would you know if obama is "marxist" ? ;D
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one good thing obama has done that has gotten zero press coverage is pulled us out of iraq. the last combat troops left iraq just a little while ago, a week or so.
yes, but I believe thousands of troops will still be over there for years to come.
peacekeepers etc. that are still at risk to die from roadside bombs and suicide bombers..not to mention taliban, insurgents etc.
as long as troops are there they are in danger.
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What an f-ing idiot.....where is he when public schools are banning Christian prayer?
A christian can pray to Jesus or God anytime they want, in the shower, in school, on a bus, at a porn shop etc etc. It's the organized prayer, led by school officials/teachers that is banned as it promotes one religion over another which is a no no.
Hell, even Jesus taught in Matthew 6 vs 5 or somewhere around there that you shouldn't pray in public but go in your room, close the door and pray... but ...what did Jesus know...forget what he said or just pretend he meant something else.
Matthew 6:5-10 (King James Version)
5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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one good thing obama has done that has gotten zero press coverage is pulled us out of iraq. the last combat troops left iraq just a little while ago, a week or so.
t, there are still 50k troops there and many of them are conducting the exact same operations but just fall under a different command. headhuntersix on here in one of them. Ask him about it.
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hitler ws a christian rivght?
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that was totally unnecessary. The whole thing.
What are they trying to prove? do they think it will magically solve troubles worlwide between occidental societies and muslims?
this is beyond retarded. Again, i still dont get the point of the whole thing of building a mosque at ground zero. What about they dont do that stupid controversial crap and just let it go? Why the need to look nice to everyone on earth? Why the need to please those who arent even american? muslims who have no problems with america are alrdy living there and those who want to go live there will keep coming, the decision makes no sense at all.
Worse, it's seen as weakness, apeasement for those who hate america. Like it will make all muslims worldwide love america ... There has to be smthg we the people who are too dumb cannot comprehend, a hidden agenda. Or maybe it's just pure demagogy, cause the guy has muslim roots.
Idiotic beyond belief. Like he has nothing else better to do.
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t, there are still 50k troops there and many of them are conducting the exact same operations but just fall under a different command. headhuntersix on here in one of them. Ask him about it.
i did read that 50k "maintanence" troops were sticking around. but still, a far cry from the 160,000?? that were there.
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i did read that 50k "maintanence" troops were sticking around. but still, a far cry from the 160,000?? that were there.
Hey, I'm glad they pulled out as many as they did, but all they did was change a few letters/command of some of the combat units, who are continuing to do the exact same operations, and now suddenly they are "maintenance." Very sad.
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Here are some issues that i'm trying to sort out:
1. seems like Muslims who have more than a 4th grade education will readily dismiss this mosque, support of 9/11, assholes like bin laden and aquavelvajad, etc.
2. they will not do it in public (muslims don't really have a universal spokesman / leader , a Pope figure, i guess an ayatollah would be close, but most people outside of Iran don't give a shit about them)
3. if the city of new york is so opposed to the mosque building, they can certainly stop it. the constitution does not promise the freedom of speech or religion, it just states that government cannot ban or prohibit free speech or religion; it doesn't say anything about free practice or banning of by others. a loop hole can be found here for sure
4. obama's a fucking idiot for backing it up. he has no right to express opinion either way; as president, he has no say in religious expression
5. the government cannot prevent the mosque being built in the very center of ground zero even; but the people behind the mosque can, as i honestly believe it's an act of war and in poor taste to build it so close (due to refusal to relocate)
6. i realize america's a christian country with christian ideologies; it should have every right to ban the spread of islam, i'm not sure where these people (mostly mid 20's libs) get off on saying they have a "right" to build a mosque. no one has a right to shit.
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that was totally unnecessary. The whole thing.
What are they trying to prove? do they think it will magically solve troubles worlwide between occidental societies and muslims?
this is beyond retarded. Again, i still dont get the point of the whole thing of building a mosque at ground zero. What about they dont do that stupid controversial crap and just let it go? Why the need to look nice to everyone on earth? Why the need to please those who arent even american? muslims who have no problems with america are alrdy living there and those who want to go live there will keep coming, the decision makes no sense at all.
Worse, it's seen as weakness, apeasement for those who hate america.
Idiotic beyond belief. Like he has nothing else better to do.
your just plain ignorant to the situation, mr.wanna-be psychologist. shoudlnt you be ranting about how obama is only allowing the mosque because of deep repressed feelings of a desire for approval from his muslim father?? hahaha ;D or wait, maybe its because he still wants to fuck his ma-ma, and he knows he mama went for his muslim father, so hes taking lessons from pops and hopin he'll get some action cuz he's supportin the mosque. ::) ;D (psycho-analytic=fail)
obama didnt propose the mosque. he simply commented on it becauseit had became a national media issue, and he didnt support it either, he only said that we must recognize that in america everyone has freedom to buy land, and build what they choose on it. FREEdom. land of the free. free to do as we please. thats a basic principle. :)
also, the mosque isnt on ground zero, its a few blocks away. but you would already know that if you were paying attention, and not just being an ignorant loud mouth spouting off opinions based on partial information. :-*
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I never said he was a terrorist but by definition he is a a traitor and socialist and to take it one step further a marxist. For everything someone says he did "good" I can name 5 things he's done "bad". And even though he isn't a terrorist, IMO, he is a terrorist sympathizer.
You just don't get it do you. A terrorist sympathizer wtf? where do you get this from. I don't deny germans from coming to my country yet with your skewed form of reasoning would make me Hitler supporter.
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Just because someone says they're doesn't mean they are a Christian. You really believe Hitler was a Christian? He's no more a Christian than Obama. (No, I'm not comparing the two).
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Just because someone says they're doesn't mean they are a Christian. You really believe Hitler was a Christian? He's no more a Christian than Obama. (No, I'm not comparing the two).
Muslims say the same about Al Quida... but isn't it convenient to dismiss people from your religion or any religion based on their actions when they believed their actions were in line with their religion?
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also, the mosque isnt on ground zero, its a few blocks away.
Apparently some people feel that since the landing gear of one of the planes crashed through the building where the mosque is proposed to be located, that it is also is considered a part of ground zero.
Interesting:
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To say that islam is "just another religion" is the equivalent of saying the Nazi's were "just another political party." Or the facists, etc...
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your just plain ignorant to the situation, mr.wanna-be psychologist. shoudlnt you be ranting about how obama is only allowing the mosque because of deep repressed feelings of a desire for approval from his muslim father?? hahaha ;D or wait, maybe its because he still wants to fuck his ma-ma, and he knows he mama went for his muslim father, so hes taking lessons from pops and hopin he'll get some action cuz he's supportin the mosque. ::) ;D (psycho-analytic=fail)
obama didnt propose the mosque. he simply commented on it becauseit had became a national media issue, and he didnt support it either, he only said that we must recognize that in america everyone has freedom to buy land, and build what they choose on it. FREEdom. land of the free. free to do as we please. thats a basic principle. :)
also, the mosque isnt on ground zero, its a few blocks away. but you would already know that if you were paying attention, and not just being an ignorant loud mouth spouting off opinions based on partial information. :-*
yeah and being an uneducated jobless teen on steroids with zits all over his face and body, still struggling to find his sexual orientation, forced to fuck an ugly trashy black skank cause no white woman would give you the hour of the day, makes you more knowledgeable than me right.
Stfu retard.
Just because you re into a relationship with someone of a different color doesnt make you smarter than anyone, in fact it's exactly the oposite. None of these interacial relationships are going to last, ever. You re just following trends thinking it will make you sound cool, cause you re not smart enough to understand the global picture. This global picture can be summed in very few words of an infinite wisdom: "apples and oranges". Some things cannot be mixed. Mark my words idiot, you have no clue what you re doing and sooner or later you will face some real tough life lessons that will break all your stupid childish beliefs in pieces.
Oh and just for the information, freedom doesnt exist, nor does justice. Your only "freedom" in life is to survive using what your environment and parents gave you. You can only be the sum of what spawned you. If you have a father , it looks like he s as dumb as you. You re using big words you dont even understand, like a kid. Freedom and justice are both very relative concepts, but it looks like you believe in them as if they were absolute concepts. Again, like a child.
There is no doubt in my mind it's only a matter of time before your illusions get shattered one after another. It's called growing up.
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What religion holds the TITLE for most deaths from association?
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What religion holds the TITLE for most deaths from association?
Probably Christianity.
But the bottom line is Christianity ceased being the barbaric religion it was, a long fucking time ago.
Islam is a throwback to a long time ago, they havent matured, and as such, have no place in the world today as the way it is.
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one good thing obama has done that has gotten zero press coverage is pulled us out of iraq. the last combat troops left iraq just a little while ago, a week or so.
I agree and proudly voted for Obama/ Biden.
He also got health care passed and got the stimulus funds passed to help build infrastructure and roads.
He is now backing off Iraq and I wish he would do the same in the Afghan conflict.
He also got financial reforms thru congress which will give some regulation to the financial crooks aka big banks.
The wealthy elite , get the avg worker to do their dirty work.
The republicans use buzz words and ideas to take the focus off their REAL interest....$$$$ and not paying taxes.
The democrats, are kinda lame at times, but at least they try to help the avg middle class man or woman.
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I agree and proudly voted for Obama/ Biden.
He also got health care passed and got the stimulus funds passed to help build infrastructure and roads.
He is now backing off Iraq and I wish he would do the same in the Afghan conflict.
He also got financial reforms thru congress which will give some regulation to the financial crooks aka big banks.
The wealthy elite , get the avg worker to do their dirty work.
The republicans use buzz words and ideas to take the focus off their REAL interest....$$$$ and not paying taxes.
The democrats, are kinda lame at times, but at least they try to help the avg middle class man or woman.
Youre just as blind as the conservatives, Obama isnt working for you.
Lol.
Now there is a bill hes trying to pass thats going to put a 40% tax on premium healthcare services. So guess what? Since the companies wont pay that, itll get passed onto the taxpayer. So they wont buy the insurance from the companies, instead opting for the government healthcare, and voila, now the companies dont have to pay healthcare, and they now have more money. Yep, sure sounds like hes out to help the people and not the corporations. (This was brought to my attention by a friend who works for Boeing Corp, which has amazing healthcare benefits that cost them a shitton, now because of this theyre going to save a bunch of money).
You guys are all sheep. Newsflash.. the politicians DO NOT have your best interests in mind. Why the fuck would they?
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To say that islam is "just another religion" is the equivalent of saying the Nazi's were "just another political party." Or the facists, etc...
Sadly this is quite true for many of the millitant muslim groups.
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yeah and being an uneducated jobless teen on steroids with zits all over his face and body, still struggling to find his sexual orientation, forced to fuck an ugly trashy black skank cause no white woman would give you the hour of the day, makes you more knowledgeable than me right.
Stfu retard.
Just because you re into a relationship with someone of a different color doesnt make you smarter than anyone, in fact it's exactly the oposite. None of these interacial relationships are going to last, ever. You re just following trends thinking it will make you sound cool, cause you re not smart enough to understand the global picture. This global picture can be summed in very few words of an infinite wisdom: "apples and oranges". Some things cannot be mixed. Mark my words idiot, you have no clue what you re doing and sooner or later you will face some real tough life lessons that will break all your stupid childish beliefs in pieces.
Oh and just for the information, freedom doesnt exist, nor does justice. Your only "freedom" in life is to survive using what your environment and parents gave you. You can only be the sum of what spawned you. If you have a father , it looks like he s as dumb as you. You re using big words you dont even understand, like a kid. Freedom and justice are both very relative concepts, but it looks like you believe in them as if they were absolute concepts. Again, like a child.
There is no doubt in my mind it's only a matter of time before your illusions get shattered one after another. It's called growing up.
;D
meltdown
(epic avoidance of the ownage i layed down too)
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What religion holds the TITLE for most deaths from association?
communism/socialism...not even a question
hitler
stalin
mao
between them 10s of millions slaughtered
probably in the neighborhood of 30 million give or take
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communism/socialism...not even a question
hitler
stalin
mao
between them 10s of millions slaughtered
probably in the neighborhood of 30 million give or take
neither communism nor socialism are a religion.
communism and socialism are not the same thing.
hitler and stalin were not communists nor socialists. stalin incorporated some aspects of communism into his nations economy, but communism has nothing to do with oppression, murder, tyranny, etc.
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neither communism nor socialism are a religion.
communism and socialism are not the same thing.
hitler and stalin were not communists nor socialists. stalin incorporated some aspects of communism into his nations economy, but communism has nothing to do with oppression, murder, tyranny, etc.
wrong on all counts try again next time ::) ::)
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wrong on all counts try again next time ::) ::)
;D ok..
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;D ok..
of course its not a religion, i was being facetious...........but if you read the writings of its proponents and architects it certainly reads like a religion with the deity being the state
nor are communism and socialism the same thing.........in their original intent; socialism was designed as a transitory phase until the people and institutions were ready for transition into full-on communism
joseph stalin's title was "General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union"...........but according to "tbomz" he wasnt a communist ::) ::)
Hitler was the "Chancellor of NAZI Germany"
NAZI = National Socialist Party
care to make a fool of yourself anymore there "take everything literal guy"..... :-\ :-\
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What in the f are you talking about?
The terrorist who were responsible for what happened on 911 are no more representative of Islam than some nutjob who goes goes out and fire bombs an abortion clinic or some kkk members doing their dirt in the name of Christianity.
true
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America does what it wants and takes what it wants because America rules the fucking world!!! And dont you ever forget that!!!
Rules the fucking world...except some small nations like North Korea.
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communism/socialism...not even a question
hitler
stalin
mao
between them 10s of millions slaughtered
probably in the neighborhood of 30 million give or take
Maybe they thought that all that killing actually helped to save lives, like the capitalists do all the time.
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I agree and proudly voted for Obama/ Biden.
He also got health care passed and got the stimulus funds passed to help build infrastructure and roads.
He is now backing off Iraq and I wish he would do the same in the Afghan conflict.
He also got financial reforms thru congress which will give some regulation to the financial crooks aka big banks.
The wealthy elite , get the avg worker to do their dirty work.
The republicans use buzz words and ideas to take the focus off their REAL interest....$$$$ and not paying taxes.
The democrats, are kinda lame at times, but at least they try to help the avg middle class man or woman.
1. Socialist health care doesn't work, look at the states that have it, they're going broke, look at health care quality of the VA, it sucks, look at medicare and the government outlets for "health care"....they're broke and they suck.
2. You think the getting in more debt to get out of debt is a good thing? All you do is dig yourself a debt hole deeper and deeper, if you run your own finances like that chances are you'll be burdened (yes, debt is a burden) for the rest of your life. Our kids are fucked.
3. The "Wealthy Elite"? What you wouldn't give to be one of "them". Ever been hired by a poor person? You can tax the "wealthy elite" 1000% and it still wouldn't make a dent or even be blip on a radar screen to make the hole the dems put us in. Bashing the "wealthy elite" is just another way of saying "I'm too fucking lazy and don't have the drive so I'll just get a 'regular' job and stay with the status quo and take money from the people who have the will and drive to succeed".......think about that Howard!!
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Youre just as blind as the conservatives, Obama isnt working for you.
Lol.
Now there is a bill hes trying to pass thats going to put a 40% tax on premium healthcare services. So guess what? Since the companies wont pay that, itll get passed onto the taxpayer. So they wont buy the insurance from the companies, instead opting for the government healthcare, and voila, now the companies dont have to pay healthcare, and they now have more money. Yep, sure sounds like hes out to help the people and not the corporations. (This was brought to my attention by a friend who works for Boeing Corp, which has amazing healthcare benefits that cost them a shitton, now because of this theyre going to save a bunch of money).
You guys are all sheep. Newsflash.. the politicians DO NOT have your best interests in mind. Why the fuck would they?
Oh I agree that BOTH major parties have a lot of lobbyist giving them $$$.
The dems can be lame and useless , BUT at least they do "something" tangible to give some economic help to the avg middle class working man.
The republicans are all about tax breaks for the rich corperations and top 5% and we middle class are "on are own" with the conservatives .
BOTH suck but at least the dems consider the working man sometimes.
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joseph stalin's title was "General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union"...........but according to "tbomz" he wasnt a communist ::) ::)
Hitler was the "Chancellor of NAZI Germany"
NAZI = National Socialist Party
just becaused youve labeled yourself, doesnt mean that youve accurately labeled yourself.
communism doesnt involve oppression, and a murderous tyrant dictator.
socialism definitely doesnt involve fascism ;D (as seen in nazi germany) nor does it involve mass genocide, world war, ect.
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1. Socialist health care doesn't work, look at the states that have it, they're going broke, look at health care quality of the VA, it sucks, look at medicare and the government outlets for "health care"....they're broke and they suck.
2. You think the getting in more debt to get out of debt is a good thing? All you do is dig yourself a debt hole deeper and deeper, if you run your own finances like that chances are you'll be burdened (yes, debt is a burden) for the rest of your life. Our kids are fucked.
3. The "Wealthy Elite"? What you wouldn't give to be one of "them". Ever been hired by a poor person? You can tax the "wealthy elite" 1000% and it still wouldn't make a dent or even be blip on a radar screen to make the hole the dems put us in. Bashing the "wealthy elite" is just another way of saying "I'm too fucking lazy and don't have the drive so I'll just get a 'regular' job and stay with the status quo and take money from the people who have the will and drive to succeed".......think about that Howard!!
1. Fact, aporx 1/3 of all health INs $$ goes to profits NOT the doctors or hospitals or medicine, but profits for the investors.
2. BOTH parties are guilty of debt, but the republicans spend a big chunk going to wars we didn't need to fight like Iraq, now Obama is stuck in the Afghan quagmire. Want less debt, get out of all the world conflicts and be USA first.
3. YUP< the wealthy elites make the rules regardless of who is in power. I am a HS science teacher doing the best I can to make a living. I will never be wealthy but I did the best I could with what I had to work with. I also served active duty in the US marines.
The wealthy elite can't exist without a strong middle class to work for them and provide millitary,police, fire etc
I know who I am and what class I represent , so when it comes time to vote, I vote my economic interest first as we all should.
If you want to vote for higher health costs, college tuition and less taxes for the upper crust , keep voting GOP. I am with the reg guys in the unions and workplace trying to get by and make a daily living.
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theres a definite need for us troops/intelligence/redcross/humanitarian efforts all across the world. we cant make the world a utopia overnight, but we can do quite a bit to fight world hunger, famine, prevent genocide, oppression, etc. yes, us tax dollars are taken at gun point, and are supposed to be used for the defense of the citizens basic rights, and for vital public services; not necessarily aiding countries around the world. so the political principle involved here is that the people recieving the aid dont pay into the system, and dont reside within the systems boundaries. its hard to know where to draw the line when it comes to involvement in foreign affairs.
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Muslims say the same about Al Quida... but isn't it convenient to dismiss people from your religion or any religion based on their actions when they believed their actions were in line with their religion?
Just as you shouldn't judge christianity based on the actions of some who call themselves christian, the same holds true for islam.
If someone knows scripture well it's not all that difficult to pull out certain verses and use them out of context in a way to justify whatever the agenda happens to be.
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Just as you shouldn't judge christianity based on the actions of some who call themselves christian, the same holds true for islam.
If someone knows scripture well it's not all that difficult to pull out certain verses and use them out of context in a way to justify whatever the agenda happens to be.
Heres the thing... This horrific and fucked up actions are being taken EVERY FUCKING DAY in the name of islam.
That shit died a long time ago with christianity.
There is still the occaisonal whackjob.
But nothing like Islam. Quit trying to put this nice little spin on the shit going on in the name of islam.
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