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'Islamophobia' and Islamo-reality
By Andrew G. Bostom
Count me among those daring to rationalize -- and echo -- the sentiments of 70% of my fellow Americans, who oppose the Ground Zero mosque/Islamic center edifice for ecumenism. But simply expressing legitimate, widespread concerns about this project has unleashed a torrent of obloquies emanating from distressingly ill-informed political and media cultural relativists, decrying "bigotry" and "intolerance." Contrast this outpouring of self-righteous indignation by these elites about the purported "Islamophobia" of Americans opposing the mosque with their own egregious ignorance of, and/or silence about, the extensive writings, pronouncements, and living, hateful legacy of the late Muslim Pope, Sheik Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi.
For over a thousand years, since its founding in 792 A.D., Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, has served as the academic shrine -- much as Mecca is the religious shrine -- of the global Muslim community. Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi was Sunni Islam's " moderate" papal equivalent, Grand Imam of this Muslim Vatican, Al-Azhar, from 1996 until his recent death on March 10, 2010.
Tantawi was born in 1928 in Selim Al-Sharqiya, Egypt. He graduated from Al-Azhar University's Faculty of Religious Studies in 1958 and received his Ph.D. in 1966. Tantawi's Ph.D. thesis, Banu Israil fi al-Quran wa-al-Sunnah (Jews in the Koran and the Traditions), was published in 1968-69 and republished in 1986. Two years after earning his Ph.D., Sheikh Tantawi began teaching at Al-Azhar. In 1980, he became the head of the Tafsir (Koranic Commentary) Department of the University of Medina, Saudi Arabia -- a position he held until 1984. Sheikh Tantawi became Grand Mufti of Egypt in 1986, a position he was to hold for a decade before taking on his final post, first assumed in 1996 and serving for fourteen years, as the Grand Imam.
Lengthy extracts translated into English from Tantawi's 700-page magnum opus Banu Israil fi al-Quran wa-al-Sunnah,are provided in my compendium, The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism. This brief excerpt summarizes, in Tantawi's own words, the salient features of the Koran's normative Muslim Jew-hatred:
[The] Koran describes the Jews with their own particular degenerate characteristics, i.e., killing the prophets of Allah [Koran 2:61 / 3:112], corrupting His words by putting them in the wrong places, consuming the people's wealth frivolously, refusal to distance themselves from the evil they do, and other ugly characteristics caused by their deep-rooted lasciviousness...only a minority of the Jews keep their word [Koranic citation, here] ... [A]ll Jews are not the same. The good ones become Muslims [Koran 3:113], the bad ones do not.
Tantawi was apparently rewarded for this scholarly effort by being named Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University in 1996. These were the expressed "carefully researched" views on Jews held by the Muslim Pope -- the former head of the most prestigious center of Muslim learning in Sunni Islam for fourteen years, which represents some 90% of the world's Muslims. And Sheikh Tantawi never mollified such hatemongering beliefs while serving as the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar as his statements on "dialogue " (January 1998) with Jews, the Jews as "enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs" (April 2002), and the legitimacy of homicide bombing of Jews (April 2002) made clear.
The statements on dialogue Tantawi issued shortly after he met with the Israel's Chief Rabbi, Israel Meir Lau, in Cairo on December 15, 1997, provided the late Grand Imam another opportunity to reaffirm his commitment to the views expressed about Jews in his Ph.D. thesis:
... anyone who avoids meeting with the enemies in order to counter their dubious claims and stick fingers into their eyes, is a coward. My stance stems from Allah's book [the Koran], more than one-third of which deals with the Jews... wrote a dissertation dealing with them [the Jews], all their false claims and their punishment by Allah. I still believe in everything written in that dissertation [i.e., Jews in the Koran and the Traditions, cited above].
Unfortunately, Tantawi's antisemitic formulations are well-grounded in classical, mainstream Islamic theology. The Koranic depiction of the Jews -- their traits as thus characterized being deemed both infallible and timeless -- highlights, in verse 2:61 (repeated in verse 3:112), the centrality of the Jews "abasement and humiliation" and being "laden with God's anger," as elaborated in the corpus of classical Muslim exegetic literature on Koran 2:61, including the hadith and Koranic commentaries. The terrifying rage decreed upon the Jews forever is connected in the hadith and exegeses to Koran 1:7, where Muslims ask Allah to guide them rightly, not in the path of those who provoke and must bear His wrath. This verse is in turn linked to Koranic verses 5:60 and 5:78, which describe the Jews' transformation into apes and swine (5:60), or apes alone (2:65 / 7:166), having been "... cursed by the tongue of David, and Jesus, Mary's son" (5:78). Moreover, forcing Jews, in particular, to pay the Koranic poll tax "tribute" (as per verse 9:29) "readily," while "being brought low," is consistent with their overall humiliation and abasement in accord with Koran 2:61 and its directly related verses.
An additional, much larger array of anti-Jewish Koranic motifs build to a denouement (as if part of a theological indictment, conviction, and sentencing process), concluding with an elaboration of the "ultimate sin" committed by the Jews (they are among the devil's minions [Koran 4:60], accursed by God [Koran 4:47]), and their appropriate punishment: If they do not accept the true faith (i.e., Islam), on the day of judgment, they will burn in the hellfire (Koran 4:55). As per, Koran 98:6, "The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures."
However, understanding and acknowledging the Koranic origins of Islamic antisemitism is not a justification for Tantawi's unreformed, unrepentant modern validation of these hateful motifs -- with predictably murderous consequences. Within days of the Netanya homicide bombing massacre on a Passover Seder night, March 27, 2002, for example, Sheikh Tantawi issued an abhorrent endorsement (April 4, 2002) of so-called "martyrdom operations," even when directed at Israeli civilians.
And during November 2002 ("Tantawi: No Antisemitism," Associated Press, 11/19/2002), consistent with his triumphant denial, Sheikh Tantawi made the following statement in response to criticism over the virulently antisemitic Egyptian television series ("Horseman Without a Horse") based on the Czarist Russia forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
Suppose that the series has some criticism or shows some of the Jews' traits, this doesn't necessitate an uproar ... The accusation of antisemitism was invented by the Jews as a means to pressure Arabs and Muslims to implement their schemes in the Arab and Muslim countries, so don't pay attention to them.
On January 22, 2008, it was reported that Tantawi cancelled what would have been an historic visit to the Rome synagogue by Ala Eldin Mohammed Ismail al-Ghobash, the imam of Rome's mosque. The putative excuse for this cancellation was Israel's self-defensive stance -- a blockade -- in response to acts of jihad terrorism (rocket barrages, attempted armed incursions) emanating from Gaza. The Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, commenting aptly about these events, observed that the cancellation proved that "... even so called Muslim moderates share the ideology of hate, violence and death towards the Jewish state." Al Azhar, Corriere della Sera further argued, which in the absence of a central Muslim authority constituted a "Vatican of Sunni Islam," had in effect issued "a kind of fatwah." The paper concluded by noting that "[w]hat the Cairo statement really means is that Muslim dialogue with Jews in Italy is only possible once Israel has been eliminated."
This is the overall context in which to view Tantawi's better-known -- if meaningless -- bland condemnation of generic terrorism as "un-Islamic." Tantawi's case illustrates the prevalence and depth of sacralized, "normative" Jew-hatred in the contemporary Muslim world. Arguably Islam's leading mainstream cleric, the late Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, Sheikh Muhammad Tantawi, epitomized how the living legacy of Muslim anti-Jewish hatred and violence remains firmly rooted in mainstream, orthodox Islamic teachings, not some aberrant vision of "radical Islam."
It is axiomatic that our elites will declare this whole discussion "Islamophobic" -- despite the contents being based almost entirely on Islam's sacred texts and Tantawi's own expressed words and actions. Fortunately, tens of millions of Americans are not playing our elites' endless, self-destructive game of Wonderland croquet, and they understand the stark difference between Islamophobia and Islamo-reality -- some 16,000 jihad terror attacks after 9/11.
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Its all taken out of context ;D
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Are you in the military skip?
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"Islamophobia" is a fabrication of the Islamists and the left.
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I have a question for the three of you.
Do you guys believe Islam is nothing but evil that radicalizes individuals and needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth or
do you believe there are Muslims that practice a tolerant and peacefull form of the religion?
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Interesting article. It certainly appears as though "radical Islam" is the norm and is a taboo subject by many.
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I have a question for the three of you.
Do you guys believe Islam is nothing but evil that radicalizes individuals and needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth or
do you believe there are Muslims that practice a tolerant and peacefull form of the religion?
As long as they are a small minority they are peaceful, as soon as they have the numbers see sign above.
Read the Koran, and you will understand, abrogation is they key word.
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As long as they are a small minority they are peaceful, as soon as they have the numbers see sign above.
Read the Koran, and you will understand, abrogation is they key word.
So what is the solution, Killing more than half of the folks that practice it?
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It is a violent, intolerant, vicious and at long last incompatible ideology with civilized society. But-- I don't care what anyone believes or doesn't believe. Until Muslims that are willing to act on what is being preached to them by their religious leaders ( and indeed by the Muslim scriptures themselves) are eradicated, terminated or shrunk to a largely ineffective/ maintainable nuisance by the intelligence community and law enforcement, I consider the religion to be a cancer on civilized society. The solution is to put pressure on the religion itself, to reveal it's violent nature and to expose its true characteristics for the world to see.
Then and only then, will the "moderates" I keep hearing and reading about emerge to turn the cancer into a benign faith that is compatible with the rest of the planet. Or, in the alternative, if Islam refuses to police itself and get with the times, it should be treated like what it is-- a violent cult.
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So what is the solution, Killing more than half of the folks that practice it?
First of all we as a nation have to realize we cannot win the hearts and minds, didn't work in Nam and it sure as hell isn't going to work now. Look at Europe, and the shit they are dealing with now, Muslims know they cannot win in a stand up fight, so they immigrate and out breed you.
I've come to the realization that the US will be fighting somewhere against muslims forever. Obama can get on TV and say combat operations are ended, bullshit! In 10 years it will start all over again.
We are dealing with an enemy now that is not that much different than the japanese and their bushido code. what had to be done to make those lunatics finally give up?
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Good article Skip.
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Are you in the military skip?
No, I'm a civilian who works for the DOD.
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First of all we as a nation have to realize we cannot win the hearts and minds, didn't work in Nam and it sure as hell isn't going to work now. Look at Europe, and the shit they are dealing with now, Muslims know they cannot win in a stand up fight, so they immigrate and out breed you.
I've come to the realization that the US will be fighting somewhere against muslims forever. Obama can get on TV and say combat operations are ended, bullshit! In 10 years it will start all over again.
We are dealing with an enemy now that is not that much different than the japanese and their bushido code. what had to be done to make those lunatics finally give up?
Do you believe that American foreign policy plays no role in radicalizing some groups of Muslims?
Some good points here.
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No, I'm a civilian who works for the DOD.
Thanks, I just couldnt remember.
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It is a violent, intolerant, vicious and at long last incompatible ideology with civilized society. But-- I don't care what anyone believes or doesn't believe. Until Muslims that are willing to act on what is being preached to them by their religious leaders ( and indeed by the Muslim scriptures themselves) are eradicated, terminated or shrunk to a largely ineffective/ maintainable nuisance by the intelligence community and law enforcement, I consider the religion to be a cancer on civilized society. The solution is to put pressure on the religion itself, to reveal it's violent nature and to expose its true characteristics for the world to see.
Then and only then, will the "moderates" I keep hearing and reading about emerge to turn the cancer into a benign faith that is compatible with the rest of the planet. Or, in the alternative, if Islam refuses to police itself and get with the times, it should be treated like what it is-- a violent cult.
So you are saying that the majority of Muslims and the scriptures are evil and need to be eradicated and only untill that happens will the peacefull Muslims come out of hiding to continue that form of Islam. Am I correct?
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No. I said until those Muslims who are willing to act on what is being taught to them by their religious leaders (terrorists, terrorist funders, terrorist supporters, etc.) are marginalized to the point of being a non-threat, or killed (whichever comes faster and is at a lesser cost to the rest of the world) then Islam should be treated as nothing more than a violent cult and the brutality and intolerance it teaches should be put out in public for the world to see.
If that happens, hopefully the moderate practicioners of the religion will steer Islam out of the dark ages and into the realm of civilized society circa 21st century.
If not, Islam should be looked at as a serious threat to the free world and treated as such by law enforcement, the intelligence community and if necessary, the military.
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Food for thought:
There is a man who owns a jewelry store here in my town. He is from Egypt, he is a former Muslim. He comes from a long line of Muslims and he has been going all over the area giving speeches about the truth concerning Islam. According to this man, a Muslim from childhood to well into his adult life, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, there is no such thing as a peace loving Muslim. According to him, yes, some Muslims don't actually go out and perform acts of terror but they all support it financially...there is no mosque that does not.
This man, now a practicing Christian, his family has completely turned against him, they all live here as well but they have disowned him because they practice the religion of peace and love.
He also said at a speech he gave about a month or so ago that all Muslims have one main goal and that is Sharia law worldwide.
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Food for thought:
There is a man who owns a jewelry store here in my town. He is from Egypt, he is a former Muslim. He comes from a long line of Muslims and he has been going all over the area giving speeches about the truth concerning Islam. According to this man, a Muslim from childhood to well into his adult life, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, there is no such thing as a peace loving Muslim. According to him, yes, some Muslims don't actually go out and perform acts of terror but they all support it financially...there is no mosque that does not.
This man, now a practicing Christian, his family has completely turned against him, they all live here as well but they have disowned him because they practice the religion of peace and love.
He also said at a speech he gave about a month or so ago that all Muslims have one main goal and that is Sharia law worldwide.
Someone who gets it.
That goal shouldn't be surprising as the Koran dictates it.
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No. I said until those Muslims who are willing to act on what is being taught to them by their religious leaders (terrorists, terrorist funders, terrorist supporters, etc.) are marginalized to the point of being a non-threat, or killed (whichever comes faster and is at a lesser cost to the rest of the world) then Islam should be treated as nothing more than a violent cult and the brutality and intolerance it teaches should be put out in public for the world to see.
If that happens, hopefully the moderate practicioners of the religion will steer Islam out of the dark ages and into the realm of civilized society circa 21st century.
If not, Islam should be looked at as a serious threat to the free world and treated as such by law enforcement, the intelligence community and if necessary, the military.
Do you believe the radicals make up the majority or the minority?
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Food for thought:
He also said at a speech he gave about a month or so ago that all Muslims have one main goal and that is Sharia law worldwide.
I have only really ever known 3 individuals that practiced the Muslim faith and although I admit one of them was totally fucked in the head, (no different then a loud mouthed born again Christian) the other 2 were awesome individuals that I knew well enough to know that the above statment is totally ridiculous. I somehow doubt they are the only two men on the entire planet that practiced their faith that don't fit the mould you are presenting in that story. Thats one hell of wide brush.
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I have only really ever known 3 individuals that practiced the Muslim faith and although I admit one of them was totally fucked in the head, (no different then a loud mouthed born again Christian) the other 2 were awesome individuals that I knew well enough to know that the above statment is totally ridiculous. I somehow doubt they are the only two men on the entire planet that practiced their faith that don't fit the mould you are presenting in that story. Thats one hell of wide brush.
It's important to keep in mind it's not my story, it's the story of a former Muslim. Secondly, he said many Muslims don't act out, more or less that's not their role, but they support those that do, that no mosque on earth withholds from supporting Muslim terror. Your friends may have very well been nice guys, great but if they are practicing Muslims they are supporters of terror and a religion of destruction.
What's funny to me, the guy who said all this stuff, he's not the only one, he's one of countless former Muslims who have said the same thing. I had a client a few yrs ago, she and her family immigrated from Iran in the 70's, she and her family were Muslims, they since converted to Christianity, she used to tell me all the time, "Americans have lost their mind." She said it as almost laughable in the Muslim community.
And being "Fucked in the head" that's one thing, lets say a person believes some crazy stuff, fine, who cares but when that crazy stuff bring death and chaos, that's a problem, when that crazy stuff isn't brought by a few fringe whack jobs, when it's a political system of domination draped in the guise of religion, then we have a problem.
Americans are being played so hard, the Islamic community is using our "freedom of religion" against us and they are pitting our new found "Don't hurt peoples feelings" mentality against us and they are laughing all the way back to Mecca.
Now I'll get bitched at for this one, being an upstanding citizen means nothing in this case. Several of the 9/11 hijackers were card carrying "good people." They worked normal jobs, went to school, had American non-Muslim girl friends...it was all a ploy. Now I'll admit this, there are those that call themselves Muslim but really aren't. They were born into Muslim families but could careless about the whole Islamic faith but they are very few and far between.
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It's important to keep in mind it's not my story, it's the story of a former Muslim. Secondly, he said many Muslims don't act out, more or less that's not their role, but they support those that do, that no mosque on earth withholds from supporting Muslim terror. Your friends may have very well been nice guys, great but if they are practicing Muslims they are supporters of terror and a religion of destruction.
What's funny to me, the guy who said all this stuff, he's not the only one, he's one of countless former Muslims who have said the same thing. I had a client a few yrs ago, she and her family immigrated from Iran in the 70's, she and her family were Muslims, they since converted to Christianity, she used to tell me all the time, "Americans have lost their mind." She said it as almost laughable in the Muslim community.
And being "Fucked in the head" that's one thing, lets say a person believes some crazy stuff, fine, who cares but when that crazy stuff bring death and chaos, that's a problem, when that crazy stuff isn't brought by a few fringe whack jobs, when it's a political system of domination draped in the guise of religion, then we have a problem.
Americans are being played so hard, the Islamic community is using our "freedom of religion" against us and they are pitting our new found "Don't hurt peoples feelings" mentality against us and they are laughing all the way back to Mecca.
Now I'll get bitched at for this one, being an upstanding citizen means nothing in this case. Several of the 9/11 hijackers were card carrying "good people." They worked normal jobs, went to school, had American non-Muslim girl friends...it was all a ploy. Now I'll admit this, there are those that call themselves Muslim but really aren't. They were born into Muslim families but could careless about the whole Islamic faith but they are very few and far between.
Thanks Arnold, I would have fallen for their deceitfull ways if it werent for you. Ever think of working for the FBI? :P
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Thanks Arnold, I would have fallen for their deceitfull ways if it werent for you. Ever think of working for the FBI? :P
It's funny, most people can't see evil when it's right in front of their face. The world praised Hitler in the beginning as a man of vision and peace...that turned out well. We were told as Americans to trust our "Uncle Joe" (Stalin) because he was on our side, that was brilliant propaganda. Or how about this one, remember the big "peace in the middle east" treaty president Clinton oversaw between the Israelis and Palestinians? Everyone kept saying, "If we can just get the Palestinians to sit down and listen to reason they will sign a treaty and everything will be rainbows and lolly-pops." Yep, you bet, they signed the treaty, there was a big ceremony, nine-million photo's were taken showing that reason had prevailed, that these so-called Muslim fanatics just needed someone to listen to them...what happened next? 14 seconds later Muslim terrorist attacked Israel. The treaty was a joke, it only allowed the Israelis to reluctantly, under pressure, let their guard slightly down...I doubt that will ever happen again in our life time.
The way I see it and maybe this will make more sense and hit home a little harder, saying their are peace loving Muslims who only want to be part of American society is like saying there are members of the Klan who like black people.
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There are no doubt peaceful followers of Islam, but I personally believe it to be a false faith.
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The way I see it and maybe this will make more sense and hit home a little harder, saying their are peace loving Muslims who only want to be part of American society is like saying there are members of the Klan who like black people.
All German were Nazi's. All Japanese Americans were evil. All Russians were Commie's in their heart. A true Christian abstains from premaarital sex and never smokes or drinks. lol oh boy. No offense intended but try going out there and actually living life a little bit. You'd be surprised at whats out there.
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It is a violent, intolerant, vicious and at long last incompatible ideology with civilized society. But-- I don't care what anyone believes or doesn't believe. Until Muslims that are willing to act on what is being preached to them by their religious leaders ( and indeed by the Muslim scriptures themselves) are eradicated, terminated or shrunk to a largely ineffective/ maintainable nuisance by the intelligence community and law enforcement, I consider the religion to be a cancer on civilized society. The solution is to put pressure on the religion itself, to reveal it's violent nature and to expose its true characteristics for the world to see.
Then and only then, will the "moderates" I keep hearing and reading about emerge to turn the cancer into a benign faith that is compatible with the rest of the planet. Or, in the alternative, if Islam refuses to police itself and get with the times, it should be treated like what it is-- a violent cult.
That's where the problem is.
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"The reason why jihaad is prescribed," from Islam QA:
Why do Muslims wage jihad?
Praise be to Allaah.
Allaah has enjoined jihad for His sake upon the Muslims, for the great benefits that result from that and because of the harm caused by abandoning jihad, some of which are mentioned in Question no. 34830.
Some of the reasons why jihad for the sake of Allaah is prescribed in Islam are as follows:
1 - The main goal of jihad is to make the people worship Allaah alone and to bring them forth from servitude to people to servitude to the Lord of people. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allaah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allaah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zaalimoon (the polytheists, and wrong-doers)"
[al-Baqarah 2:193]
"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allaah), then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do"
[al-Anfaal 8:39]
Ibn Jareer said:
So fight them until there is no more shirk, and none is worshipped except Allaah alone with no partner or associate, and trials and calamities, which are disbelief and polytheism, are lifted from the slaves of Allaah on earth, and religion is all for Allaah alone, and so that obedience and worship will be devoted to Him alone and none else.
Ibn Katheer said: Allaah commands us to fight the kuffaar so that there will be no fitnah, i.e., shirk, and the religion will all be for Allaah alone, i.e., the religion of Allaah will prevail over all other religions.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ""I have been commanded (by Allaah) to fight the people until they testify that there is no god but Allaah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah, and they establish regular prayer and pay zakaah, then if they do that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning will be with Allaah." Narrated by al-Bukhaari (24), Muslim (33).
And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "I have been sent just before the Hour with the sword, so that Allaah will be worshipped alone with no partner or associate."
Narrated by Ahmad, 4869; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami', 2831.
This purpose of jihad was present in the minds of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) during their battles with the enemies of Allaah. Al-Bukhaari (2925) narrated that Jubayr ibn Hayyah said: 'Umar sent people to all the regions to fight the mushrikeen... so 'Umar recruited us and appointed al-Nu'maan ibn Muqarrin to lead us. When we were in the land of the enemy, the representative of Chosroes came out to us with forty thousand troops. An interpreter stood up and said: "Let one of you speak to me." Al-Mugheerah said: "Ask whatever you want." He asked, "Who are you?" He (al-Mugheerah) said: "We are some people from among the Arabs. We used to lead a harsh and miserable life, sucking on animal skins and date stones because of hunger, wearing clothes made of camel and goat hair, worshipping trees and rocks. While we were in this state, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, exalted be His name and glorified be His greatness, sent to us a Prophet from amongst ourselves, whose father and mother we know. Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), commanded us to fight you until you worship Allaah alone or pay the jizyah. Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us the message from our Lord, that whoever among us is killed will go to Paradise to enjoy delights such as no one has ever seen, and whoever among us is left will become your master."
This is the truth that the Sahaabah and leaders of the Muslims proclaimed in their military campaigns.
Rab'i ibn 'Aamir said, when Rustam the commander of the Persian armies asked him, "Why have you come?": "Allaah has sent us to bring forth whomsoever He wills from the worship of man to the worship of Allaah.
When 'Uqbah ibn Naafi' reached Tangiers, he rode his horse into the water until the water was up to its chest, then he said: "O Allaah, bear witness that I have done my utmost, and were it not for this sea I would have travelled throughout the land fighting those who disbelieve in You, until none is worshipped except You."
2 - Repelling the aggression of those who attack the Muslims.
The scholars are unanimously agreed that repelling the aggression of those who attack the Muslims is fard 'ayn (an individual obligation) upon those who are able to do that.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"And fight in the way of Allaah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allaah likes not the transgressors"
[al-Baqarah 2:190]
"Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah) and intended to expel the Messenger while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allaah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers"
[al-Tawbah 9:13]
3 - Removing fitnah (tribulation)
Fitnah is of different types:
(i) That which is caused by the kuffaar who persecute the Muslims or apply pressure to them to make them give up their religion. Allaah has commanded the Muslims to fight in jihad in order to save those who are weak and oppressed. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allaah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help"
[al-Nisa' 4:75]
(ii) The fitnah of the kuffaar themselves and their preventing others from hearing and accepting the truth. That is because the kaafir systems corrupt the innate nature and reason of people, and make them get used to worshipping and submitting to things other than Allaah, getting addicted to alcohol, wallowing in the mire of sexual licence, and losing all characteristics of virtue. Whoever is like that can rarely tell truth from falsehood, good from evil, right from wrong. So jihad is prescribed in order to remove those obstacles that prevent people from hearing and accepting the truth and getting to know it.
4 - Protecting the Islamic state from the evil of the kuffaar.
Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ordered that the leaders of the kuffaar be killed, those who incited the enemies against the Muslims, such as the Jews Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf and Ibn Abi'l-Haqeeq.
Another aspect of jihad is to protect the borders against the kuffaar. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) encouraged that as he said: "Guarding the border for one day for the sake of Allaah is better than this world and everything in it." Al-Bukhaari, 2678.
5 - Frightening the kuffaar, humiliating them and putting them to shame.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Fight against them so that Allaah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people,
And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allaah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allaah is All-Knowing, All-Wise"
[al-Tawbah 9:14-15]
"And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery) to threaten the enemy of Allaah and your enemy"
[al-Anfaal 8:60]
Hence it is prescribed to fight in a manner that will strike terror into the heart of the enemy.
Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah - may Allaah have mercy on him] was asked whether it is permissible for a soldier to wear silk or gold or silver when fighting or when the envoys of the enemy come to the Muslims.
He replied:
Praise be to Allaah. With regard to wearing silk in order to frighten the enemy, there are two scholarly views, the more correct of which is that it is allowed. The soldiers of Syria wrote to 'Umar ibn al-Khattaab saying: "When we met the enemy we saw that they had covered their weapons with silk and we found that this struck terror in our hearts." 'Umar wrote back to them saying: "You should cover your weapons as they do." And wearing silk is a kind of showing off, and Allaah likes showing off at the time of fighting, as it is narrated in al-Sunan that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "There is a kind of showing off that Allaah likes, and a kind of showing off that Allaah hates. The showing off that Allaah likes is when a man shows off at the time of war. The kind of showing off that Allaah hates is showing off for the purpose of pride and boasting." On the day of Uhud, Abu Dujaanah al-Ansaari showed off among the ranks, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "This is a kind of walking that Allaah hates except in this situation." Majmoo' al-Fataawa, 28/17
6 - Exposing the hypocrites
Allaah says (Interpretation of the meaning):
"But when a decisive Soorah (explaining and ordering things) is sent down, and fighting (Jihaad -- holy fighting in Allaah's Cause) is mentioned (i.e. ordained) therein, you will see those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy) looking at you with a look of one fainting to death"
[Muhammad 47:20]
At times of ease and plenty, the Muslims may be joined by those who seek to make worldly gains, and they do not want to make the word of Allaah prevail over the word of kufr. These people may conceal their real nature from many of the Muslims, and the most effective means of exposing them is jihad, because jihad means sacrificing oneself but these hypocrites are only indulging in hypocrisy in order to save themselves.
Exposing the hypocrites was one of the major purposes that Allaah wanted the believers to achieve on the day of Uhud.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Allaah will not leave the believers in the state in which you are now, until He distinguishes the wicked from the good"
[Aal 'Imraan 3:179]
Ibn al-Qayyim said:
This means: Allaah will not leave you in the state in which you are, where the believers are indistinguishable from the hypocrites, until the believers are made distinct from the hypocrites, as they were distinguished by the test on the day of Uhud, and Allaah will not disclose to you the unseen matters by which the one group is distinguished from the other, for they are distinguished from one another in the knowledge of the unseen that He has, but He wants to distinguish them from one another in a clear and visible manner, so that His unseen knowledge will become known and visible.
7 - Purifying the believers of their sins and ridding them thereof
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"And so are the days (good and not so good), that We give to men by turns, that Allaah may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allaah likes not the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers).
And that Allaah may test (or purify) the believers (from sins) and destroy the disbelievers.
Do you think that you will enter Paradise before Allaah tests those of you who fought (in His Cause) and (also) tests those who are As-Saabiroon (the patient)?"
[Aal 'Imraan 3:140-142]
8 - Acquiring booty
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "I have been sent ahead of the Hour with the sword so that Allaah will be worshipped alone, and my provision has been placed in the shade of my spear, and humiliation has been decreed for those who go against my command, and whoever imitates a people is one of them." Narrated by Ahmad, 4869; Saheeh al-Jaami', 2831.
Al-Haafiz said:
This hadeeth indicates that war booty is permissible for this ummah, and that the provision of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has been placed in war booty and not in other kinds of earnings. Hence some of the scholars said that it is the best kind of earnings.
Al-Qurtubi said:
Allaah sent provision to His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by means of his striving and He made it by means of the best kind of striving which is earning it by means of force and strength.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out for the battle of Badr to meet the caravan of Abu Sufyaan.
Al-Qurtubi said: The fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out to meet the caravan indicates that it is permissible to take booty because it is a halaal source of income. This refutes Maalik's view that this is makrooh, when he said that this was fighting for worldly gains.
Al-Shawkaani said: Ibn Abi Jamrah said: The scholars of hadeeth are of the view that if the primary motive is to make the word of Allaah supreme, it does not matter what else is also achieved.
9 - Taking martyrs.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), that We give to men by turns, that Allaah may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allaah likes not the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers).
And that Allaah may test (or purify) the believers (from sins) and destroy the disbelievers"
[Aal 'Imraan 3:140-141]
Martyrdom is one of the highest statuses before Allaah, and the martyrs are the closest of His slaves to Him. There is no status higher than that of siddeeq apart from martyrdom. Allaah loves to take martyrs from among His slaves, who shed their blood for His love and to earn His pleasure, preferring His pleasure and His love above themselves. There is no way to attain this status except by circumstances that may lead to it such as enemies coming against the Muslims.
This was said by Ibn al-Qayyim in Zaad al-Ma'aad.
This is the great wisdom and those who try to put the Muslims off jihad and make them fear it, and say that jihad is no more than death, and making women widows and children orphans, pale into insignificance.
10 - Ridding the world of corruption.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"For had it not been that Allaah checks one set of people by means of another, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, wherein the Name of Allaah is mentioned much would surely, have been pulled down. Verily, Allaah will help those who help His (Cause). Truly, Allaah is All-Strong, All-Mighty"
[al-Hajj 22:40]
"And if Allaah did not check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief. But Allaah is full of bounty to the 'Aalameen (mankind, jinn and all that exists)"
[al-Baqarah 2:251]
Muqaatil said:
Were it not that Allaah checked the mushriks by means of the Muslims, the mushriks would have overrun the earth and killed the Muslims and destroyed the mosques.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Jawaab al-Saheeh, 2/216:
So the kuffar are repelled by means of the Muslims and the worse of the two parties is repelled by the better, just as the Magians (Persians) were repelled by the Christian Byzantines, then the Christians were repelled by the believers of the ummah of Muhammad.
Al-Sa'di said: The world would be corrupted if the kuffaar and evildoers were to prevail.
These are some of the reasons why jihad is prescribed.
We ask Allaah to bring the Muslims back to their religion. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad.
http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/34647/jihad
You can find them all over the Internet: windy, pseudo-intellectual diatribes purporting to establish that it's us who misunderstand and misrepresent Islamic teaching about jihad and "extremism". Say the uninformed like Bindare: you're committing "selection bias," emphasizing the views of Islam held by "extremists," and all the bad sections of the Qur'an, in prejudice to all the marvelous moderate Muslims and wonderful passages of the Islamic holy book.
And above indeed is an explanation of jihad from an "extremist," Muhammad Al-Munajjid, a Saudi Wahhabi sheikh. I'm posting it here because of its closely argued Qur'anic exposition, with an invitation to Muslim "moderates" and their apologist brethren: show where al-Munajjid is wrong on Islamic grounds. The world wants to see you refute the version of Islam of the "extremists." The "extremists," after all, aren't getting their ideas from me, but from the likes of al-Munajjid. So instead of spending all your time trying to prove me wrong, why not spend some time trying to prove them wrong -- if, that is, you really oppose what they're doing?
Come on Bindare, I'm waiting. Prove to me that it's the "extremists" that are "misinterpreting" the Koran. You argue your points without ever providing any evidence. Just opinionated bullshit that we're supposed to believe because you said it. And I see what game you're playing in this thread and it's failing miserably.
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Do you believe that American foreign policy plays no role in radicalizing some groups of Muslims?
Some good points here.
First of all I think Ron Paul is nuttier than squirrel shit, but that's beside the point. Do I think plays a roll, no I think it is an excuse for the loonies to justify their actions
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First of all I think Ron Paul is nuttier than squirrel shit, but that's beside the point. Do I think plays a roll, no I think it is an excuse for the loonies to justify their actions
They love to ignore the fact that the Muslims have been waging jihad in some form for 1400 years now (since Moohammed had his "revelations"). It's convenient to ignore history, like their attempted conquests of Europe and India.
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Bindare, understand that the minority in this case is 80 million plus people. 80 million. Not 80,000, or 800,000- 80 million whackjobs. And these 80 million breed like roaches and pass down their insane mandate to their equally deranged children.
And the rest of the "peaceful" followers either say nothing against the 80 million nut jobs, excuse the 80 million nut jobs, or pretend like the 80 million nutjobs don't exist.
I tend to agree with Purge for the most part. But as I said, I wouldn't give two shits if Islam meant worshipping the cookie monster and eating rodents. Belief isn't what kills people and threatens my way of life. It's putting those beliefs into actions that scare me.
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All German were Nazi's. All Japanese Americans were evil. All Russians were Commie's in their heart. A true Christian abstains from premaarital sex and never smokes or drinks. lol oh boy. No offense intended but try going out there and actually living life a little bit. You'd be surprised at whats out there.
That makes no sense, no one chooses what race they are born of, hat country, etc. No, all Germans were not Nazi's just like all Arabs are not Muslims. Muslims are made up of people from several different countries and races, yes the majority are of Arab or Persian decent but that's really irrelevant.
Your "True Christian" remark...the never smoke or drink thing, that's simply retarded, the premarital sex deal, yes the bible says you shouldn't but does not condemn you to hell if you do.
As for getting out there and living life and seeing what's out there...good and bad, great and horrible, I've had my share of both...not really sure what you're getting at.
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Bindare I'm surprised at you bro-- honestly I thought you were one of the more enlightened posters on this board.
When the Nazi's were taken down ( by force), the Nazi party became nonexistent. When Communism died in the USSR ( partially by force, but mostly because of economics) did the Russian people try to fight tooth and nail to reinstate it? Of course not. When Japan was crushed ( by force), did they attempt to rebuild the war effort after being nuked twice? Absolutely not. They graciously conceded defeat.
You are speaking in absolutes with no frame of reference in which to place the context of your argument. There is a HUGE difference between WWII, The Cold War, and the threat of Islamic terrorism. The least of which seems to evade your understanding. When fighting a conventional war against an enemy that fly's the flag of a country and is confined to a specific geographical area, victory can always be achieved at arms length and with minimal casualties. When you are fighting an unconventional war against an enemy that is an IDEOLOGY as much as it is a physical threat, with adherents in every country on the face of the earth that are willing to die and kill without the slightest bit of hesitation, victory is IMPOSSIBLE unless you are willing to proactively engage the enemy on a number of different fronts and without concern over "offending" those with hidden agendas, delicate sensibilities and corrupt motives. I had this same argument last week with some nimrod on here that tried to compare Islamic terrorism to the KKK. This struggle for Islamic supremacy has been happening for hundreds and hundreds of years across every continent. Islam isn't some flash in the pan political philosophy or some silly socioeconomic model that will create the ultimate liberal utopia. It's followers don't want "equality" or any of the other ideals touted by the leftist academics that unwittingly support the radical Islamist cause. The goal is Islamic domination and worldwide Sharia law. Period.
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Bindare I'm surprised at you bro-- honestly I thought you were one of the more enlightened posters on this board.
You are speaking in absolutes with no frame of reference in which to place the context of your argument. There is a HUGE difference between WWII, The Cold War, and the threat of Islamic terrorism. The least of which seems to evade your understanding. When fighting a conventional war against an enemy that fly's the flag of a country and is confined to a specific geographical area, victory can always be achieved at arms length and with minimal casualties. When you are fighting an unconventional war against an enemy that is an IDEOLOGY as much as it is a physical threat, with adherents in every country on the face of the earth that are willing to die and kill without the slightest bit of hesitation, victory is IMPOSSIBLE unless you are willing to proactively engage the enemy on a number of different fronts and without concern over "offending" those with hidden agendas, delicate sensibilities and corrupt motives. I had this same argument last week with some nimrod on here that tried to compare Islamic terrorism to the KKK. This struggle for Islamic supremacy has been happening for hundreds and hundreds of years across every continent. Islam isn't some flash in the pan political philosophy or some silly socioeconomic model that will create the ultimate liberal utopia. It's followers don't want "equality" or any of the other ideals touted by the leftist academics that unwittingly support the radical Islamist cause. The goal is Islamic domination and worldwide Sharia law. Period.
Great Post.