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'Islamophobia' and Islamo-reality
« on: September 01, 2010, 05:53:57 PM »
'Islamophobia' and Islamo-reality


By Andrew G. Bostom

Count me among those daring to rationalize -- and echo -- the sentiments of 70% of my fellow Americans, who oppose the Ground Zero mosque/Islamic center edifice for ecumenism. But simply expressing legitimate, widespread concerns about this project has unleashed a torrent of obloquies emanating from distressingly ill-informed political and media cultural relativists, decrying "bigotry" and "intolerance." Contrast this outpouring of self-righteous indignation by these elites about the purported "Islamophobia" of Americans opposing the mosque with their own egregious ignorance of, and/or silence about, the extensive writings, pronouncements, and living, hateful legacy of the late Muslim Pope, Sheik Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi.


For over a thousand years, since its founding in 792 A.D., Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, has served as the academic shrine -- much as Mecca is the religious shrine -- of the global Muslim community. Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi was Sunni Islam's " moderate" papal equivalent, Grand Imam of this Muslim Vatican, Al-Azhar, from 1996 until his recent death on March 10, 2010.


Tantawi was born in 1928 in Selim Al-Sharqiya, Egypt. He graduated from Al-Azhar University's Faculty of Religious Studies in 1958 and received his Ph.D. in 1966. Tantawi's  Ph.D. thesis, Banu Israil fi al-Quran wa-al-Sunnah (Jews in the Koran and the Traditions), was published in 1968-69 and republished in 1986. Two years after earning his Ph.D., Sheikh Tantawi began teaching at Al-Azhar. In 1980, he became the head of the Tafsir (Koranic Commentary) Department of the University of Medina, Saudi Arabia -- a position he held until 1984. Sheikh Tantawi became Grand Mufti of Egypt in 1986, a position he was to hold for a decade before taking on his final post, first assumed in 1996 and serving for fourteen years, as the Grand Imam.


Lengthy extracts translated into English from Tantawi's 700-page magnum opus Banu Israil fi al-Quran wa-al-Sunnah,are provided in my compendium, The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism. This brief excerpt summarizes, in Tantawi's own words, the salient features of the Koran's normative Muslim Jew-hatred:


[The] Koran describes the Jews with their own particular degenerate characteristics, i.e., killing the prophets of Allah [Koran 2:61 / 3:112], corrupting His words by putting them in the wrong places, consuming the people's wealth frivolously, refusal to distance themselves from the evil they do, and other ugly characteristics caused by their deep-rooted lasciviousness...only a minority of the Jews keep their word [Koranic citation, here] ... [A]ll Jews are not the same. The good ones become Muslims [Koran  3:113], the bad ones do not.


Tantawi was apparently rewarded for this scholarly effort by being named Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University in 1996. These were the expressed "carefully researched" views on Jews held by the Muslim Pope -- the former head of the most prestigious center of Muslim learning in Sunni Islam for fourteen years, which represents some 90% of the world's Muslims. And Sheikh Tantawi never mollified such hatemongering beliefs while serving as the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar as his statements on "dialogue " (January 1998) with Jews, the Jews as "enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs" (April 2002), and the legitimacy of homicide bombing of Jews (April 2002) made clear.


The statements on dialogue Tantawi issued shortly after he met with the Israel's Chief Rabbi, Israel Meir Lau, in Cairo on December 15, 1997, provided the late Grand Imam another opportunity to reaffirm his commitment to the views expressed about Jews in his Ph.D. thesis:


... anyone who avoids meeting with the enemies in order to counter their dubious claims and stick fingers into their eyes, is a coward. My stance stems from Allah's book [the Koran], more than one-third of which deals with the Jews... wrote a dissertation dealing with them [the Jews], all their false claims and their punishment by Allah. I still believe in everything written in that dissertation [i.e., Jews in the Koran and the Traditions, cited above].


Unfortunately, Tantawi's antisemitic formulations are well-grounded in classical, mainstream Islamic theology. The Koranic depiction of the Jews -- their traits as thus characterized being deemed both infallible and timeless -- highlights, in verse 2:61 (repeated in verse 3:112), the centrality of the Jews "abasement and humiliation" and being "laden with God's anger," as elaborated in the corpus of classical Muslim exegetic literature on Koran 2:61, including the hadith and Koranic commentaries. The terrifying rage decreed upon the Jews forever is connected in the hadith and exegeses to Koran 1:7, where Muslims ask Allah to guide them rightly, not in the path of those who provoke and must bear His wrath. This verse is in turn linked to Koranic verses 5:60 and 5:78, which describe the Jews' transformation into apes and swine (5:60), or apes alone (2:65 / 7:166), having been "... cursed by the tongue of David, and Jesus, Mary's son" (5:78). Moreover, forcing Jews, in particular, to pay the Koranic poll tax "tribute" (as per verse 9:29) "readily," while "being brought low," is consistent with their overall humiliation and abasement in accord with Koran 2:61 and its directly related verses.


An additional, much larger array of anti-Jewish Koranic motifs build to a denouement (as if part of a theological indictment, conviction, and sentencing process), concluding with an elaboration of the "ultimate sin" committed by the Jews (they are among the devil's minions [Koran 4:60], accursed by God [Koran 4:47]), and their appropriate punishment: If they do not accept the true faith (i.e., Islam), on the day of judgment, they will burn in the hellfire (Koran 4:55). As per, Koran 98:6, "The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures."


However, understanding and acknowledging the Koranic origins of Islamic antisemitism is not a justification for Tantawi's unreformed, unrepentant modern validation of these hateful motifs -- with predictably murderous consequences. Within days of the Netanya homicide bombing massacre on a Passover Seder night, March 27, 2002, for example, Sheikh Tantawi issued an abhorrent endorsement (April 4, 2002) of so-called "martyrdom operations," even when directed at Israeli civilians.


And during November 2002 ("Tantawi: No Antisemitism," Associated Press, 11/19/2002), consistent with his triumphant denial, Sheikh Tantawi made the following statement in response to criticism over the virulently antisemitic Egyptian television series ("Horseman Without a Horse") based on the Czarist Russia forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:


Suppose that the series has some criticism or shows some of the Jews' traits, this doesn't necessitate an uproar ... The accusation of antisemitism was invented by the Jews as a means to pressure Arabs and Muslims to implement their schemes in the Arab and Muslim countries, so don't pay attention to them.


On January 22, 2008, it was reported that Tantawi cancelled what would have been an historic visit to the Rome synagogue by Ala Eldin Mohammed Ismail al-Ghobash, the imam of Rome's mosque. The putative excuse for this cancellation was Israel's self-defensive stance -- a blockade -- in response to acts of jihad terrorism (rocket barrages, attempted armed incursions) emanating from Gaza. The Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, commenting aptly about these events, observed that the cancellation proved that "... even so called Muslim moderates share the ideology of hate, violence and death towards the Jewish state." Al Azhar, Corriere della Sera further argued, which in the absence of a central Muslim authority constituted a "Vatican of Sunni Islam," had in effect issued "a kind of fatwah." The paper concluded by noting that "[w]hat the Cairo statement really means is that Muslim dialogue with Jews in Italy is only possible once Israel has been eliminated."


This is the overall context in which to view Tantawi's better-known -- if meaningless -- bland condemnation of generic terrorism as "un-Islamic." Tantawi's case illustrates the prevalence and depth of sacralized, "normative" Jew-hatred in the contemporary Muslim world. Arguably Islam's leading mainstream cleric, the late Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, Sheikh Muhammad Tantawi, epitomized how the living legacy of Muslim anti-Jewish hatred and violence remains firmly rooted in mainstream, orthodox Islamic teachings, not some aberrant vision of "radical Islam." 

It is axiomatic that our elites will declare this whole discussion "Islamophobic" -- despite the contents being based almost entirely on Islam's sacred texts and Tantawi's own expressed words and actions. Fortunately, tens of millions of Americans are not playing our elites' endless, self-destructive game of Wonderland croquet, and they understand the stark difference between Islamophobia and Islamo-reality -- some 16,000 jihad terror attacks after 9/11.

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Re: 'Islamophobia' and Islamo-reality
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2010, 05:59:22 PM »
Its all taken out of context ;D
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Re: 'Islamophobia' and Islamo-reality
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2010, 05:59:46 PM »
Are you in the military skip?

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Re: 'Islamophobia' and Islamo-reality
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 06:02:50 PM »
"Islamophobia" is a fabrication of the Islamists and the left.

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2010, 06:05:47 PM »
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Re: 'Islamophobia' and Islamo-reality
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 06:14:06 PM »
I have a question for the three of you.

Do you guys believe Islam is nothing but evil that radicalizes individuals and needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth or
do you believe there are Muslims that practice a tolerant and peacefull form of the religion?

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 06:21:14 PM »
Interesting article.  It certainly appears as though "radical Islam" is the norm and is a taboo subject by many.

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Re: 'Islamophobia' and Islamo-reality
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 06:21:27 PM »
I have a question for the three of you.

Do you guys believe Islam is nothing but evil that radicalizes individuals and needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth or
do you believe there are Muslims that practice a tolerant and peacefull form of the religion?

As long as they are a small minority they are peaceful, as soon as they have the numbers see sign above.

Read the Koran, and you will understand, abrogation is they key word.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2010, 06:21:59 PM »
As long as they are a small minority they are peaceful, as soon as they have the numbers see sign above.

Read the Koran, and you will understand, abrogation is they key word.

So what is the solution, Killing more than half of the folks that practice it?

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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 06:30:26 PM »
It is a violent, intolerant, vicious and at long last incompatible ideology with civilized society. But-- I don't care what anyone believes or doesn't believe. Until Muslims that are willing to act on what is being preached to them by their religious leaders ( and indeed by the Muslim scriptures themselves) are eradicated, terminated or shrunk to a largely ineffective/ maintainable nuisance by the intelligence community and law enforcement, I consider the religion to be a cancer on civilized society. The solution is to put pressure on the religion itself, to reveal it's violent nature and to expose its true characteristics for the world to see.

Then and only then, will the "moderates" I keep hearing and reading about emerge to turn the cancer into a benign faith that is compatible with the rest of the planet. Or, in the alternative, if Islam refuses to police itself and get with the times, it should be treated like what it is-- a violent cult.

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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2010, 06:34:11 PM »
So what is the solution, Killing more than half of the folks that practice it?

First of all we as a nation have to realize we cannot win the hearts and minds, didn't work in Nam and it sure as hell isn't going to work now. Look at Europe, and the shit they are dealing with now, Muslims know they cannot win in a stand up fight, so they immigrate and out breed you.

I've come to the realization that the US will be fighting somewhere against muslims forever. Obama can get on TV and say combat operations are ended, bullshit! In 10 years it will start all over again.

We are dealing with an enemy now that is not that much different than the japanese and their bushido code. what had to be done to make those lunatics finally give up?
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2010, 06:43:53 PM »
Good article Skip. 

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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2010, 06:57:23 PM »
Are you in the military skip?

No, I'm a civilian who works for the DOD.

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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2010, 07:27:49 PM »
First of all we as a nation have to realize we cannot win the hearts and minds, didn't work in Nam and it sure as hell isn't going to work now. Look at Europe, and the shit they are dealing with now, Muslims know they cannot win in a stand up fight, so they immigrate and out breed you.

I've come to the realization that the US will be fighting somewhere against muslims forever. Obama can get on TV and say combat operations are ended, bullshit! In 10 years it will start all over again.

We are dealing with an enemy now that is not that much different than the japanese and their bushido code. what had to be done to make those lunatics finally give up?


Do you believe that American foreign policy plays no role in radicalizing some groups of Muslims?

Some good points here.



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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 07:28:36 PM »
No, I'm a civilian who works for the DOD.

Thanks, I just couldnt remember.

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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2010, 07:36:52 PM »
It is a violent, intolerant, vicious and at long last incompatible ideology with civilized society. But-- I don't care what anyone believes or doesn't believe. Until Muslims that are willing to act on what is being preached to them by their religious leaders ( and indeed by the Muslim scriptures themselves) are eradicated, terminated or shrunk to a largely ineffective/ maintainable nuisance by the intelligence community and law enforcement, I consider the religion to be a cancer on civilized society. The solution is to put pressure on the religion itself, to reveal it's violent nature and to expose its true characteristics for the world to see.

Then and only then, will the "moderates" I keep hearing and reading about emerge to turn the cancer into a benign faith that is compatible with the rest of the planet. Or, in the alternative, if Islam refuses to police itself and get with the times, it should be treated like what it is-- a violent cult.

So you are saying that the majority of Muslims and the scriptures are evil and need to be eradicated and only untill that happens will the peacefull Muslims come out of hiding to continue that form of Islam. Am I correct?

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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2010, 08:20:07 PM »
No. I said until those Muslims who are willing to act on what is being taught to them by their religious leaders (terrorists, terrorist funders, terrorist supporters, etc.) are marginalized to the point of being a non-threat, or killed (whichever comes faster and is at a lesser cost to the rest of the world) then Islam should be treated as nothing more than a violent cult and the brutality and intolerance it teaches should be put out in public for the world to see. 

If that happens, hopefully the moderate practicioners of the religion will steer Islam out of the dark ages and into the realm of civilized society circa 21st century.

If not, Islam should be looked at as a serious threat to the free world and treated as such by law enforcement, the intelligence community and if necessary, the military.

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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2010, 08:37:20 PM »
Food for thought:

There is a man who owns a jewelry store here in my town. He is from Egypt, he is a former Muslim. He comes from a long line of Muslims and he has been going all over the area giving speeches about the truth concerning Islam. According to this man, a Muslim from childhood to well into his adult life, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, there is no such thing as a peace loving Muslim. According to him, yes, some Muslims don't actually go out and perform acts of terror but they all support it financially...there is no mosque that does not.

This man, now a practicing Christian, his family has completely turned against him, they all live here as well but they have disowned him because they practice the religion of peace and love.

He also said at a speech he gave about a month or so ago that all Muslims have one main goal and that is Sharia law worldwide.

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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2010, 08:40:30 PM »
Food for thought:

There is a man who owns a jewelry store here in my town. He is from Egypt, he is a former Muslim. He comes from a long line of Muslims and he has been going all over the area giving speeches about the truth concerning Islam. According to this man, a Muslim from childhood to well into his adult life, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, there is no such thing as a peace loving Muslim. According to him, yes, some Muslims don't actually go out and perform acts of terror but they all support it financially...there is no mosque that does not.

This man, now a practicing Christian, his family has completely turned against him, they all live here as well but they have disowned him because they practice the religion of peace and love.

He also said at a speech he gave about a month or so ago that all Muslims have one main goal and that is Sharia law worldwide.

Someone who gets it.

That goal shouldn't be surprising as the Koran dictates it.


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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2010, 09:11:15 PM »
No. I said until those Muslims who are willing to act on what is being taught to them by their religious leaders (terrorists, terrorist funders, terrorist supporters, etc.) are marginalized to the point of being a non-threat, or killed (whichever comes faster and is at a lesser cost to the rest of the world) then Islam should be treated as nothing more than a violent cult and the brutality and intolerance it teaches should be put out in public for the world to see. 

If that happens, hopefully the moderate practicioners of the religion will steer Islam out of the dark ages and into the realm of civilized society circa 21st century.

If not, Islam should be looked at as a serious threat to the free world and treated as such by law enforcement, the intelligence community and if necessary, the military.

Do you believe the radicals make up the majority or the minority?


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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2010, 09:44:32 PM »
Food for thought:



He also said at a speech he gave about a month or so ago that all Muslims have one main goal and that is Sharia law worldwide.

 I have only really ever known 3 individuals that practiced the Muslim faith and although I admit one of them was totally fucked in the head,  (no different then a loud mouthed born again Christian) the other 2 were awesome individuals that I knew well enough to know that the above statment is totally ridiculous. I somehow doubt they are the only two men on the entire planet that practiced their faith that don't fit the mould you are presenting in that story. Thats one hell of wide brush.


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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2010, 10:18:37 PM »
I have only really ever known 3 individuals that practiced the Muslim faith and although I admit one of them was totally fucked in the head,  (no different then a loud mouthed born again Christian) the other 2 were awesome individuals that I knew well enough to know that the above statment is totally ridiculous. I somehow doubt they are the only two men on the entire planet that practiced their faith that don't fit the mould you are presenting in that story. Thats one hell of wide brush.



It's important to keep in mind it's not my story, it's the story of a former Muslim. Secondly, he said many Muslims don't act out, more or less that's not their role, but they support those that do, that no mosque on earth withholds from supporting Muslim terror. Your friends may have very well been nice guys, great but if they are practicing Muslims they are supporters of terror and a religion of destruction.

What's funny to me, the guy who said all this stuff, he's not the only one, he's one of countless former Muslims who have said the same thing. I had a client a few yrs ago, she and her family immigrated from Iran in the 70's, she and her family were Muslims, they since converted to Christianity, she used to tell me all the time, "Americans have lost their mind." She said it as almost laughable in the Muslim community.

And being "Fucked in the head" that's one thing, lets say a person believes some crazy stuff, fine, who cares but when that crazy stuff bring death and chaos, that's a problem, when that crazy stuff isn't brought by a few fringe whack jobs, when it's a political system of domination draped in the guise of religion, then we have a problem.

Americans are being played so hard, the Islamic community is using our "freedom of religion" against us and they are pitting our new found "Don't hurt peoples feelings" mentality against us and they are laughing all the way back to Mecca.

Now I'll get bitched at for this one, being an upstanding citizen means nothing in this case. Several of the 9/11 hijackers were card carrying "good people." They worked normal jobs, went to school, had American non-Muslim girl friends...it was all a ploy. Now I'll admit this, there are those that call themselves Muslim but really aren't. They were born into Muslim families but could careless about the whole Islamic faith but they are very few and far between.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2010, 10:34:40 PM »
It's important to keep in mind it's not my story, it's the story of a former Muslim. Secondly, he said many Muslims don't act out, more or less that's not their role, but they support those that do, that no mosque on earth withholds from supporting Muslim terror. Your friends may have very well been nice guys, great but if they are practicing Muslims they are supporters of terror and a religion of destruction.

What's funny to me, the guy who said all this stuff, he's not the only one, he's one of countless former Muslims who have said the same thing. I had a client a few yrs ago, she and her family immigrated from Iran in the 70's, she and her family were Muslims, they since converted to Christianity, she used to tell me all the time, "Americans have lost their mind." She said it as almost laughable in the Muslim community.

And being "Fucked in the head" that's one thing, lets say a person believes some crazy stuff, fine, who cares but when that crazy stuff bring death and chaos, that's a problem, when that crazy stuff isn't brought by a few fringe whack jobs, when it's a political system of domination draped in the guise of religion, then we have a problem.

Americans are being played so hard, the Islamic community is using our "freedom of religion" against us and they are pitting our new found "Don't hurt peoples feelings" mentality against us and they are laughing all the way back to Mecca.

Now I'll get bitched at for this one, being an upstanding citizen means nothing in this case. Several of the 9/11 hijackers were card carrying "good people." They worked normal jobs, went to school, had American non-Muslim girl friends...it was all a ploy. Now I'll admit this, there are those that call themselves Muslim but really aren't. They were born into Muslim families but could careless about the whole Islamic faith but they are very few and far between.

Thanks Arnold, I would have fallen for their deceitfull ways if it werent for you. Ever think of working for the FBI? :P

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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2010, 10:56:27 PM »
Thanks Arnold, I would have fallen for their deceitfull ways if it werent for you. Ever think of working for the FBI? :P

It's funny, most people can't see evil when it's right in front of their face. The world praised Hitler in the beginning as a man of vision and peace...that turned out well. We were told as Americans to trust our "Uncle Joe" (Stalin) because he was on our side, that was brilliant propaganda. Or how about this one, remember the big "peace in the middle east" treaty president Clinton oversaw between the Israelis and Palestinians? Everyone kept saying, "If we can just get the Palestinians to sit down and listen to reason they will sign a treaty and everything will be rainbows and lolly-pops." Yep, you bet, they signed the treaty, there was a big ceremony, nine-million photo's were taken showing that reason had prevailed, that these so-called Muslim fanatics just needed someone to listen to them...what happened next? 14 seconds later Muslim terrorist attacked Israel. The treaty was a joke, it only allowed the Israelis to reluctantly, under pressure, let their guard slightly down...I doubt that will ever happen again in our life time.

The way I see it and maybe this will make more sense and hit home a little harder, saying their are peace loving Muslims who only want to be part of American society is like saying there are members of the Klan who like black people.

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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2010, 01:09:10 AM »
  There are no doubt peaceful followers of Islam, but I personally believe it to be a false faith.