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Geez... I remember when Shawn Ray scaled back his quads so they would get smaller to keep his physique in balance. I remember Ronnie saying he barely trained arms- just a few sets - to keep them in check. Branch did the same with his legs to let everything else catch up.
Is Phil Heath at that point yet?
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Geez... I remember when Shawn Ray scaled back his quads so they would get smaller to keep his physique in balance. I remember Ronnie saying he barely trained arms- just a few sets - to keep them in check. Branch did the same with his legs to let everything else catch up.
Is Phil Heath at that point yet?
Sadly proportions/symmetry a thing of the past in modern BB
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The width of one arm is equal to the width of his chest :-\. I dunno if that's a compliment to his freaky arms or just a pointer to how narrow his chest is...
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hahah no arms can never be too big, if no oil is used.
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When he was on sportsnation it was just crazy to me how popped out his delts were as well as the size of his arms. When he's standing relaxed like a normal person his arms just hang off of him like those big slabs of beef in a meat cooler on the hooks. His shoulders and arms are both making his chest look smaller than it is when he does his mm. Still my favorite though. I hope he wins this year. The thought of grapefuit boy winning is just not cool with me. Even if he is the best on stage he should be penalized
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In the 1st pic, where the fuck did his chest go? :o :o
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He has absolutely awful chest insertions paired with huge arm genetics, really strange structure.
And yes, he should have cut back on the arm traiing/synthol.
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Its true in the off season for phil his arms take away from the rest of the body. But somehow when in condition his seperation and deep lines keep him in check. But i cn see its going to be a problem if he doesnt scale it back. Definitly the biggest muscular arms in current ifbb.
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That chest is just terrible in every possible way. It's almost painful to even look at it's so bad.
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Geez... I remember when Shawn Ray scaled back his quads so they would get smaller to keep his physique in balance. I remember Ronnie saying he barely trained arms- just a few sets - to keep them in check. Branch did the same with his legs to let everything else catch up.
Is Phil Heath at that point yet?
Yes. It's nice when one body part responds well to training. That's fine if all you want to do is show off to your friends... but if you want to compete as a pro you need a balanced physique. This is not it. :-\
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his arms are too big for his narrow shoulders, it makes them look even more narrow.
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Just reduce the oil and site injections and he'll be fine
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Nope arms not too big
chest just really lacking
it's an illusion
which is why Coleman is so great
big chest arms shoulders everything
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better than kai
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His chest is pathetic, just like Roelly, PRIEST, and Centopani.
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His chest is pathetic, just like Roelly, PRIEST, and Centopani.
Well you have more mass on your chest, what with the gyno
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his chest similar to Priest, also narrow clavicles, that, with the huge delts and arms make the pecs look bad, especially off-season
Vic for the O if in shape, but between Kai and Heath, gotta give it to Heath. Even Branch, rather than grapefuit boy.
but Jay will probably take it...
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better than kai
He will still lose to Kai
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For the overall package, I'd have to give the Mr. O to Vic
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his chest isnt 'terrible', its completely maxed out. its not like he just doesnt train it or something, its just that his structure is very narrow and his pectoral muscle bellies-though full- dont take up much space. his chest could not be any more developed really-its just he is so damn narrow.
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his chest isnt 'terrible', its completely maxed out. its not like he just doesnt train it or something, its just that his structure is very narrow and his pectoral muscle bellies-though full- dont take up much space. his chest could not be any more developed really-its just he is so damn narrow.
You're crazy, he can add a TON of mass to his pectorals, just look at it!
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for all of you critisizing Heaths pecs and "width" all the time, i wonder how you look like. care to post pics?
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His pecs are really thick, but narrow. He looks horrible in the most muscular, but IMO also the front double biceps. It's weird, because he has good lats, but he's still narrow.
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his arms aren't too big- his clavicles are too narrow and his chest is too small.
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You're crazy, he can add a TON of mass to his pectorals, just look at it!
his chest is pretty much developed to the max, its just that his pect muscle bellies are small in area.
not everyone can have pec muscle bellies like Arnold where your pecline is 10 inches long and goes halfway down your torso.
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Geez... I remember when Shawn Ray scaled back his quads so they would get smaller to keep his physique in balance. I remember Ronnie saying he barely trained arms- just a few sets - to keep them in check. Branch did the same with his legs to let everything else catch up.
Is Phil Heath at that point yet?
His arms aren't big enough to match his chest
His thighs are to big for his calves
He only hits one pose and that he looks like a big spider.
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He graduated from the Kevin Levrone school of oil
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for all of you critisizing Heaths pecs and "width" all the time, i wonder how you look like. care to post pics?
Such a dumb thing to say. That's like if this was an nfl team's board and people were saying that a cornerback had a crappy year last year cuz he only had one interception. And then here comes you to your hero's rescue chiming in with "yeah, well show me some game tape of your interceptions last year"
See how silly that is?
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hahah no arms can never be too big, if no oil is used.
My thoughts exactly, sadly oil seems to be the norm these days...
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His chest is pathetic, just like Roelly, PRIEST, and Centopani.
notce the pattern 90% of arm guys have a weak chest but for some reason because they have big arms they get a free pass I think they should be penalised for lack of symetry if it way the other way around huge torso those guys wouldn't place so high
bbing has a serious arm fetish..
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His arms aren't big enough to match his chest
His thighs are to big for his calves
He only hits one pose and that he looks like a big spider.
Ken Waller said the same thing about Mike Katz in Pumping Iron but in that case, the chest/arms situation was reversed; Mike's arms were small in relation to his chest although both Mike and Phil had/have thighs too big for their calves.
Although it really can't be said that Phil has a weak chest at this point and his calves aren't bad either. It's just that his arms and thighs are so huge that it would take the biggest chest and calves in bodybuilding to match.
As much as I like Phil and felt he should have won the Arnold, I can't deny that Kai beats him on size at this point. I still felt Phil should have won because he really brought it for that show, but I do concede that historically, back size is a huge factor in winning professional bodybuilding contests. Here is my review of the 2010 Arnold:
http://tinyurl.com/2dok8a9
ND - What do you make of my review? I try to make them as fair and balanced as possible.
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Ken Waller said the same thing about Mike Katz in Pumping Iron but in that case, the chest/arms situation was reversed; Mike's arms were small in relation to his chest although both Mike and Phil had/have thighs too big for their calves.
Although it really can't be said that Phil has a weak chest at this point and his calves aren't bad either. It's just that his arms and thighs are so huge that it would take the biggest chest and calves in bodybuilding to match.
As much as I like Phil and felt he should have won the Arnold, I can't deny that Kai beats him on size at this point. I still felt Phil should have won because he really brought it for that show, but I do concede that historically, back size is a huge factor in winning professional bodybuilding contests. Here is my review of the 2010 Arnold:
http://tinyurl.com/2dok8a9
ND - What do you make of my review? I try to make them as fair and balanced as possible.
that one went right over your head. ;D
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notce the pattern 90% of arm guys have a weak chest but for some reason because they have big arms they get a free pass I think they should be penalised for lack of symetry if it way the other way around huge torso those guys wouldn't place so high
bbing has a serious arm fetish..
Dorian? Branch?
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that one went right over your head. ;D
Ahh, I thought didn't realize you were quoting the movie. ;D I thought you were talking about Phil and just wanted to point out that the arms/chest scenario is reversed for Phil, because it is his arms that are too big for his chest, not the other way around.
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his arms aren't too big- his clavicles are too narrow and his chest is too small.
Yup, guys like him will never have crazy natural width (ie. Marcus Ruhl)
he's maxed out his frame
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Nope arms not too big
chest just really lacking
it's an illusion
which is why Coleman is so great
big chest arms shoulders everything
Aren't you the one who says that I'm "arm biased" :)
you could be right, but I think he should put more concentration on chest. On his first vid his chest workout was, let's say, "different" from a Ronnie Coleman chest workout...not a lot of heavy basic compound movemnents, plus the incline presses did, it seems like they could be military presses...
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Ahh, I thought didn't realize you were quoting the movie. ;D I thought you were talking about Phil and just wanted to point out that the arms/chest scenario is reversed for Phil, because it is his arms that are too big for his chest, not the other way around.
Mr. Mensa!! LOL :)
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Dorian? Branch?
to be fair to Dorian at first he had decent arms
but all the guys they go ga ga over flex wheeler ... Heath ... Total arm fetish
how is fles the sultan of symetry when his chest is dwarves by his arms which a smaller muscle group.
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I would need to see a shot of him without the thong to make a fair assessment.
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Aren't you the one who says that I'm "arm biased" :)
you could be right, but I think he should put more concentration on chest. On his first vid his chest workout was, let's say, "different" from a Ronnie Coleman chest workout...not a lot of heavy basic compound movemnents, plus the incline presses did, it seems like they could be military presses...
Unfortunately that is how all these new guys train nowadays. The days of Levrone, Ronnie, Dorian style training most likely doesn't exist. All machines and all drugs.
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to be fair to Dorian at first he had decent arms
but all the guys they go ga ga over flex wheeler ... Heath ... Total arm fetish
how is fles the sultan of symetry when his chest is dwarves by his arms which a smaller muscle group.
I understand your point of the arm fetish thing though, most bb fans (myself included) are all for arms, but I don't think it gets rewarded in contests as you pointed out. That's why Heath will never beat Kai or why Dorian won so many O with a huge torso and horrible arms.
Personally, I've always prefered the physiques of guys with great arms like Shawn Ray or Lee Priest over the physiques of guys with huge torsos like Dorian, Markus Ruhl, Dennis James, etc.
Like you pointed out earlier: Ronnie had the best of both worlds.
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Sadly proportions/symmetry a thing of the past in modern BB
Iron age BBs all had huge arms and small quads.
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Unfortunately that is how all these new guys train nowadays. The days of Levrone, Ronnie, Dorian style training most likely doesn't exist. All machines and all drugs.
Odd when the angle of the incline is the same when one is doing presses or incline dumbell curls...
I mean, I wonder if Phil would do a team up with Ronnie and train with him, that would be a good vid, The Gift vs. The Big Nasty...
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When arms are discussed Craig Titus should be in the mix because he was all arms and no chest ;D
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Odd when the angle of the incline is the same when one is doing presses or incline dumbell curls...
I mean, I wonder if Phil would do a team up with Ronnie and train with him, that would be a good vid, The Gift vs. The Big Nasty...
Strength wise very few could hang with Ronnie overall.
Compared to the 80's and 90's none of these guys train hard at all. Seriously brings up the questioning of "drugs," and the "dosages," these guys are on.
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When arms are discussed Craig Titus should be in the mix because he was all arms and no chest ;D
Tit-Less had a decent set of arms, not mind blowing. After he tore his pec, he was scares shitless of benching...the one thing that scared him. I remember seeing the pics and interview in MuscleMag
ironic how in Melvin Anthony's "Marvelous" vid, Titus is spotting Melvin while doing bench press, yet a few yrs later he sucker punches him, after being confronted about trying to get Melvin's girl, Bea, to do a 3some.
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Geez... I remember when Shawn Ray scaled back his quads so they would get smaller to keep his physique in balance. I remember Ronnie saying he barely trained arms- just a few sets - to keep them in check. Branch did the same with his legs to let everything else catch up.
Is Phil Heath at that point yet?
I have to say I'm unimpressed. I don't know why, just no "wow" factor IMO.
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how is fles the sultan of symetry when his chest is dwarves by his arms which a smaller muscle group.
Because evidently you have no idea what symmetry is.
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I understand your point of the arm fetish thing though, most bb fans (myself included) are all for arms, but I don't think it gets rewarded in contests as you pointed out. That's why Heath will never beat Kai or why Dorian won so many O with a huge torso and horrible arms.
Personally, I've always prefered the physiques of guys with great arms like Shawn Ray or Lee Priest over the physiques of guys with huge torsos like Dorian, Markus Ruhl, Dennis James, etc.
Like you pointed out earlier: Ronnie had the best of both worlds.
I do t dislike arms but I think the chest should at least match the arms a la victor dexter...cormier Aaron baker... Coleman. People praise phils most muscular ... But I think it looks sill pecs nonexistent only arms
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Iron age BBs all had huge arms and small quads.
Not all of them and compared to what? today's guys?
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he looks comical with that narrow chest. what a weird build.
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Barbapoppaism
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Not all of them and compared to what? today's guys?
There was a pic in the Musclemag coverage of the 1997 Arnold, Flex was standing relaxed, with is hands on his hip, one of the most awesome shots of him.
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