Most of the forum steroid info is bro-science, heresay and gym rumor.
I thought posting any actual, personal experience with steroid cycles might be interesting.
1. Post you actual amount, type of drug(s), cycle length , expectations and actual results .
Feel free to add any extra info you wish to pass on.
I will go first:
From 1983 - 1986 I used moderate amounts of various drugs, three basic drug cycles.
Cycle 1 was my off season decca cycle, was 1 - 200 mg shot per week for 8 weeks , then 3-4 off
Cycle 2 was either 1 200 mg shot of test ethanate or a 100 mg equipoise per week
for 4 weeks, 3 weeks off.
Pre contest was 2, 50 ml shots of Winnie V for the last 6 weeks before a contest.
My best offical contest wt was 206 lbs in Aug of 1986 and I was quite lean. I was on the winnie V for a full 8 weeks and had done shorter more intense Heavy Duty Mentzer style workouts.
At those levels I didn't get a lot bigger but felt good. I was able to get harder and leaner with less effort on my diet and cardio.
I now use prescibed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal for a male in his 20's, I am 51. I can maintain mass and strength but getting lean now is a lot harder.
LOL!
howard, you have an obsession with steroids. I don't understand. You're already using test, taking you a bit above where you'd be as an 18 year old stallion (you hit 700, right?)
So IMHO, you're using just like everyone else. Why the need to revisit the 'glory days' when you were shooting up?
C'mon, it was One (1) 200 mg shot of test or a one (1) 100 mg shot of Equipoise.
progessivity is not your thing, from 200mg of gear e.w to 1300 mg...
LOL!
howard, you have an obsession with steroids. I don't understand. You're already using test, taking you a bit above where you'd be as an 18 year old stallion (you hit 700, right?)
So IMHO, you're using just like everyone else. Why the need to revisit the 'glory days' when you were shooting up?
No, I just think it might be nice to get share some personal info on what WE USED, instead of 2nd hand heresay rumor of what someone heard about some pro .
LOL, he really is OBSESSED with steroids
Howard, put up a pic of you on stage. Never seen one.I've had a one up a few times on here over the years. Believe it or not, I don't care if anyone sees my contest pics or not.
I've had a one up a few times on here over the years. Believe it or not, I don't care if anyone sees my contest pics or not.
I wasn't that great a bodybuilder in my prime. I am going to have the Kodak kiosk scan some old contest pics on to a CD rom and then post them if anyone is interested.
Soooooooo, care to post any stuff on your cycles?
Most of the forum steroid info is bro-science, heresay and gym rumor.bro, i would never consider what you listed as a cycle......more like advanced supplementation...
I thought posting any actual, personal experience with steroid cycles might be interesting.
1. Post you actual amount, type of drug(s), cycle length , expectations and actual results .
Feel free to add any extra info you wish to pass on.
I will go first:
From 1983 - 1986 I used moderate amounts of various drugs, three basic drug cycles.
Cycle 1 was my off season decca cycle, was 1 - 200 mg shot per week for 8 weeks , then 3-4 off
Cycle 2 was either 1 200 mg shot of test ethanate or a 100 mg equipoise per week
for 4 weeks, 3 weeks off.
Pre contest was 2, 50 ml shots of Winnie V for the last 6 weeks before a contest.
My best offical contest wt was 206 lbs in Aug of 1986 and I was quite lean. I was on the winnie V for a full 8 weeks and had done shorter more intense Heavy Duty Mentzer style workouts.
At those levels I didn't get a lot bigger but felt good. I was able to get harder and leaner with less effort on my diet and cardio.
I now use prescibed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal for a male in his 20's, I am 51. I can maintain mass and strength but getting lean now is a lot harder.
bro, i would never consider what you listed as a cycle......more like advanced supplementation...
my last cycle lasted damn near 5 years....
bench
That's just stupid dude, anything over a year is pointless without a break... :o :o
sure howard.I like how you went off the HGH to see how the other drugs helped in making you lean. Good logic there! How much muscle did that cycle give ya?
last cycle:
400mg wk test blend
75mg of tren ace ed
50mg winstrol ed
50mg anavar ed
best run i have ever done. biggest and leanest i have ever been. and went off of GH to do it to make sure it was the compounds i was taking and not the GH responsible for the gains/ fat loss.
bro, i would never consider what you listed as a cycle......more like advanced supplementation...I never was willing to take a lot of health risks or spend a lot of my hard earned cash on juice.
my last cycle lasted damn near 5 years....
bench
I like how you went off the HGH to see how the other drugs helped in making you lean. Good logic there! How much muscle did that cycle give ya?
That's just stupid dude, anything over a year is pointless without a break... :o :oi went off during that time....but by off i mean 250-500mg a week of test....
I never was willing to take a lot of health risks or spend a lot of my hard earned cash on juice.at first it was low...but then really high dosage....i would blast for 20-30 weeks at a time then cruise for 20 weeks...
My goal was always to look more like Zane and use something to help me rip up more, nothing else .
Care to elaborate on any details about your 5 yr cycle and what gains you made off it in that time? Thanks
Most of the forum steroid info is bro-science, heresay and gym rumor.
I thought posting any actual, personal experience with steroid cycles might be interesting.
1. Post you actual amount, type of drug(s), cycle length , expectations and actual results .
Feel free to add any extra info you wish to pass on.
I will go first:
From 1983 - 1986 I used moderate amounts of various drugs, three basic drug cycles.
Cycle 1 was my off season decca cycle, was 1 - 200 mg shot per week for 8 weeks , then 3-4 off
Cycle 2 was either 1 200 mg shot of test ethanate or a 100 mg equipoise per week
for 4 weeks, 3 weeks off.
Pre contest was 2, 50 ml shots of Winnie V for the last 6 weeks before a contest.
My best offical contest wt was 206 lbs in Aug of 1986 and I was quite lean. I was on the winnie V for a full 8 weeks and had done shorter more intense Heavy Duty Mentzer style workouts.
At those levels I didn't get a lot bigger but felt good. I was able to get harder and leaner with less effort on my diet and cardio.
I now use prescibed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal for a male in his 20's, I am 51. I can maintain mass and strength but getting lean now is a lot harder.
LOL, the pleasures of living in gulag USA (or whichever shithouse you reside)
Howie, baby, get on some juice, its the obvious choice
Look, you can do one of two things:
one, get on some gear
two, you can place higher priority on the seriously remote chance of being caught whilst using, rather than placing your concern on areas that deserve your attention, them being, the very real fact that your missus has probably started to view you as an ageing fat fuck that pisses her off due to the fact that she could be out getting some young cock rather than your old ass
Howie, drugs love you, remember that
Holy Shit I thought that Steroids were only in Baseball and Pro Wrestling Hmmmmm.........no they take performance enhancers...
I didn't know that gel gave you muscle. ???in bodybuilding its referred to as gel...the rest of the world calls its sperm......and derek anthony would be the one to talk to on this subject..
Just take Dan Duchaine's advice and go on steroids again RIGHT NOW!Thanks for the interesting reply, I enjoyed reading it and it made me think, thanks Matt C.
Howie is a lot like me. You can tell he is just itching to go on steroids and use them consistently but is just a prude about it, whether over specious and scientifically ungrounded "health" considerations or some other irrational concern.
I consumed alcohol maybe 15 times in my life between the ages of 21-24 for the same reasons. In some ways it was worth it because I do feel that I'm better off than the average 28 year old right now, but at the same time, I kind of gave up my twenties as a result. As far as bodybuilding is concerned, I do feel I'm making better gains now that my metabolism has slowed down a little than I ever did before, but why fear steroids? Howie, there is no medical evidence against the moderate use of steroids, truly. As for legal concerns, I understand that and can't completely relate because personal use steroid amounts are not actually illegal in Canada.
It's like you write these posts to hear what you want to hear but it is still not quite enough for you to hop back on the sauce again. Please take Dan's advice and get on juice immediately.
Thanks for the intersting reply, I enjoyed reading it and it made me think, thanks Matt C.so the angrogel helps you build muscle?
For me it will only be Androgel prescibed by my Doc and nothing else for drugs. My big motivation would be to compete next yr at age 52. I want to do the OPEN class in an UNtested NPC show. I am trying to drop wt to get back down to the Lt Hvy class ( under 199lbs) anyway, so more size ( from drugs) isn't what I need . If I can get back to 196-198 at 5'9" I should be ripped enough...I hope ??? and look like I at least belong up there next to the younger guys.
so the angrogel helps you build muscle?Oh , of course it helps. C'mon any legit test based product that helps you maintain ideal levels for a male in his prime is a help.
sure howard.With the Win/var I assume you were cutting ? what sort of diet do you think works best for you bro ? are you a carb cycler ?
last cycle:
400mg wk test blend
75mg of tren ace ed
50mg winstrol ed
50mg anavar ed
best run i have ever done. biggest and leanest i have ever been. and went off of GH to do it to make sure it was the compounds i was taking and not the GH responsible for the gains/ fat loss.
Most of the forum steroid info is bro-science, heresay and gym rumor.Who the hell uses 2 50mg shots of winstrol a week? Doesn't make any sense. Winstrol should be used every day, or every other day at the least.
I thought posting any actual, personal experience with steroid cycles might be interesting.
1. Post you actual amount, type of drug(s), cycle length , expectations and actual results .
Feel free to add any extra info you wish to pass on.
I will go first:
From 1983 - 1986 I used moderate amounts of various drugs, three basic drug cycles.
Cycle 1 was my off season decca cycle, was 1 - 200 mg shot per week for 8 weeks , then 3-4 off
Cycle 2 was either 1 200 mg shot of test ethanate or a 100 mg equipoise per week
for 4 weeks, 3 weeks off.
Pre contest was two (2), 50 mg shots of Winnie V for the last 6 weeks before a contest.
My best offical contest wt was 206 lbs in Aug of 1986 and I was quite lean. I was on the winnie V for a full 8 weeks and had done shorter more intense Heavy Duty Mentzer style workouts.
At those levels I didn't get a lot bigger but felt good. I was able to get harder and leaner with less effort on my diet and cardio.
I now use prescibed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal for a male in his 20's, I am 51. I can maintain mass and strength but getting lean now is a lot harder.
With the Win/var I assume you were cutting ? what sort of diet do you think works best for you bro ? are you a carb cycler ?
Most of the forum steroid info is bro-science, heresay and gym rumor.
I thought posting any actual, personal experience with steroid cycles might be interesting.
1. Post you actual amount, type of drug(s), cycle length , expectations and actual results .
Feel free to add any extra info you wish to pass on.
I will go first:
From 1983 - 1986 I used moderate amounts of various drugs, three basic drug cycles.
Cycle 1 was my off season decca cycle, was 1 - 200 mg shot per week for 8 weeks , then 3-4 off
Cycle 2 was either 1 200 mg shot of test ethanate or a 100 mg equipoise per week
for 4 weeks, 3 weeks off.
Pre contest was two (2), 50 mg shots of Winnie V for the last 6 weeks before a contest.
My best offical contest wt was 206 lbs in Aug of 1986 and I was quite lean. I was on the winnie V for a full 8 weeks and had done shorter more intense Heavy Duty Mentzer style workouts.
At those levels I didn't get a lot bigger but felt good. I was able to get harder and leaner with less effort on my diet and cardio.
I now use prescibed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal for a male in his 20's, I am 51. I can maintain mass and strength but getting lean now is a lot harder.
Holy Shit I thought that Steroids were only in Baseball and Pro Wrestling Hmmmmm.........
With the Win/var I assume you were cutting ? what sort of diet do you think works best for you bro ? are you a carb cycler ?
hey buddy.Awesome bro.
i've done about every diet there is, i liked keto for fat loss, but i found it left me really lethargic and flat. definitely more a diet suited to bringing a guy into a show who is over weight rather than someone who is lean enough and has fresh enough receptors to grow into a show. keto is useful, but it depends on what kind of shape and how much bf you are holding to begin with.
carb cycling is a good choice for me personally.
what i did this last time was something different- i didnt have a set meal plan- i always made sure i took in 350 grams of protein a day or better. i got my body accustomed to training in a fasted state and withheld solid foods (and shakes for about an hour post training) and used bcaa's pre, during and post training to prevent catabolism. when i did eat i made a mental note of what it was i was eating, and tried to keep my calories between 2000-and 2500 a day (i need to go this low- im an natural endo/meso- my metabolism crawls) most guys my size can cut on 3500-4000 a day. i cant. what else...oh and then every 3-4 days or so i'd have a huge feed of whatever the fuck i wanted a few hours before bed. i did it right before bed as any glycogen would go to filling me out instead of getting burned of in a waking state. the next morning my workouts would be amazing.
this idea worked well to get me down to what i'd say was a true 7-8%.which is pretty fucking lean. most guys who say they are 8% are rally 10 or better. in order to get lower i'd have to take a more traditional approach, knowing to the caloire what im taking and timing my carbs properly.
i found this latest way a lot more enjoyable way of dieting. i ate when i was hungry, and ate bad shit when i felt i needed it. its a pretty instinctive way of doing it but it worked as after a while your body will tell you what it needs if you listen to it.
my basic hormones when i placed top back in early 2000s
250mg per day enanthate norma
100 mg per day prop private cook
150mg every 30 hours on the clock tren ace private cook,,98% purity not easy to find
200mg anapolon per day
900mg eq per week, paste high quality
masteron 150mg every 30 hours
gh 15 units every single day devided doses of 3 units a time
insulin humalog wont elaborate but with every meal
adn thats a bodybuider with GOOD GENETICS RESPONSE,,
food for thought
gh15 approved
my basic hormones when i placed top back in early 2000s
250mg per day enanthate norma
100 mg per day prop private cook
150mg every 30 hours on the clock tren ace private cook,,98% purity not easy to find
200mg anapolon per day
900mg eq per week, paste high quality
masteron 150mg every 30 hours
gh 15 units every single day devided doses of 3 units a time
insulin humalog wont elaborate but with every meal
adn thats a bodybuider with GOOD GENETICS RESPONSE,,
food for thought
gh15 approved
this is the real one!
GH15 may you tell me if this was in offseason (bulking) or precontest?
thanks!
my basic hormones when i placed top back in early 2000s
250mg per day enanthate norma
100 mg per day prop private cook
150mg every 30 hours on the clock tren ace private cook,,98% purity not easy to find
200mg anapolon per day
900mg eq per week, paste high quality
masteron 150mg every 30 hours
gh 15 units every single day devided doses of 3 units a time
insulin humalog wont elaborate but with every meal
adn thats a bodybuider with GOOD GENETICS RESPONSE,,
food for thought
gh15 approved
my basic hormones when i placed top back in early 2000s
250mg per day enanthate norma
100 mg per day prop private cook
150mg every 30 hours on the clock tren ace private cook,,98% purity not easy to find
200mg anapolon per day
900mg eq per week, paste high quality
masteron 150mg every 30 hours
gh 15 units every single day devided doses of 3 units a time
insulin humalog wont elaborate but with every meal
adn thats a bodybuider with GOOD GENETICS RESPONSE,,
food for thought
gh15 approved
my basic hormones when i placed top back in early 2000s
250mg per day enanthate norma
100 mg per day prop private cook
150mg every 30 hours on the clock tren ace private cook,,98% purity not easy to find
200mg anapolon per day
900mg eq per week, paste high quality
masteron 150mg every 30 hours
gh 15 units every single day devided doses of 3 units a time
insulin humalog wont elaborate but with every meal
adn thats a bodybuider with GOOD GENETICS RESPONSE,,
food for thought
gh15 approved
x2 I dont have the genetics or balls to try it but damm it gives you goosebumps of joy just thinking about it ;D
thats a fucking wicked cycle.....
i wouldnt give 1/2 that to rats at a lab. wtf?\\
likes anadrol afterall! I always thought gh15 wasmore of a a dbol guy from all his posts.
my basic hormones when i placed top back in early 2000s
250mg per day enanthate norma
100 mg per day prop private cook
150mg every 30 hours on the clock tren ace private cook,,98% purity not easy to find
200mg anapolon per day
900mg eq per week, paste high quality
masteron 150mg every 30 hours
gh 15 units every single day devided doses of 3 units a time
insulin humalog wont elaborate but with every meal
adn thats a bodybuider with GOOD GENETICS RESPONSE,,
food for thought
gh15 approved
Most of the forum steroid info is bro-science, heresay and gym rumor.What did you gain here. Half a pound???
I thought posting any actual, personal experience with steroid cycles might be interesting.
1. Post you actual amount, type of drug(s), cycle length , expectations and actual results .
Feel free to add any extra info you wish to pass on.
I will go first:
From 1983 - 1986 I used moderate amounts of various drugs, three basic drug cycles.
Cycle 1 was my off season decca cycle, was 1 - 200 mg shot per week for 8 weeks , then 3-4 off
Cycle 2 was either 1 200 mg shot of test ethanate or a 100 mg equipoise per week
for 4 weeks, 3 weeks off.
Pre contest was two (2), 50 mg shots of Winnie V for the last 6 weeks before a contest.
My best offical contest wt was 206 lbs in Aug of 1986 and I was quite lean. I was on the winnie V for a full 8 weeks and had done shorter more intense Heavy Duty Mentzer style workouts.
At those levels I didn't get a lot bigger but felt good. I was able to get harder and leaner with less effort on my diet and cardio.
I now use prescibed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal for a male in his 20's, I am 51. I can maintain mass and strength but getting lean now is a lot harder.
I now use prescibed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal for a male in his 20's, I am 51. I can maintain mass and strength but getting lean now is a lot harder.
they make steroids as a gel i can rub on my skin?
i've taken a few steroid pills before
one was pink the other was a little bigger and white with a line through it
i dont like needles so i took the pills but somebody told me those were bad for me so i quit
if i could get a gel that i could massage on my skin that would be perfect
as a fighter its very important to recover quickly from my training
He likes oxymetolona for dieting. Looks like a pre-contest stack.
worst gimmick ever.X2......freakin` pathetic. :(
I now use prescibed Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal for a male in his 20's, I am 51. I can maintain mass and strength but getting lean now is a lot harder.
Most of the forum steroid info is bro-science, heresay and gym rumor.
I thought posting any actual, personal experience with steroid cycles might be interesting.
I havent used any but next time I'm at the doc I'll ask him about this androgel shit
first cykle: 12 omnadrens in 8 weeks, 15 years old (1 week from 16) went from a wopping 63kilo to 69kg. bench went up 20 kg, stupid fucks who sold steroids to a 15 year old :-\
If you don't mind my asking, are you short of brains and do you think it had any effect on that cycle?
fixedThanks. I often have trouble with such things. ;D My brain power is nearly depleted.
It was offered to me along with a shot every two weeks as my levels are quite low perhaps due to my age and maybe even my overall diminutive size. I turned it down because I'm against such things and realize that is pretty much a case of cutting off my nose to spite my face. The doctor had my overall level measured at something like 120(?) and said that the testosterone actually available for use was pretty much zero. The latter results took about two weeks to receive as that particular test needed to be sent out to an offsite medical lab.
While I'm adamantly against dope I am honest enough to admit to knowing why so many men take steroids. The feeling of strength and overall well being must be incredible. How must it feel to have some people look on you with admiration or for those that are exceptionally large, even a sense of "fear" and/or a degree of respect? For someone as physically small as myself, I think it would be ridiculous for me to even try such a thing as a cycle. Like I said before, its a form of cheating but being a man I can easily see why men do this.
And to an extent I envy some of them. Those would be people like Zane, Arnold, Waller, Franco, Makkawy and more than a few of you guys that have put up a picture or two here. Today's top guys have taken it to not so much the extreme but rather the patently ridiculous and beyond borderline unhealthy.
I am too small to be that big or even close to it. Good luck with your doctor and testing!
It is very unhealthy to have low test levels...overtime it contributes to nearly all aliments...you really need to do your research as you sound quite naive and uneducated on the subject...I am actually a lifetime natural in my mid thirty's...However if my blood work was to come back and low test was something I was looking at testosterone replacement therapy would be an option I would have no reservations of using...your ramblings about cheating or being to small are nothing more than that of an ill informed person with preconceived notions on a persons choice to have healthy levels of testosterone...
LOL!
howard, you have an obsession with steroids. I don't understand. You're already using test, taking you a bit above where you'd be as an 18 year old stallion (you hit 700, right?)
So IMHO, you're using just like everyone else. Why the need to revisit the 'glory days' when you were shooting up?
If you don't mind my asking, are you short, tall or of "average" height and do you think this cycle had any effect on that?im 5´8 like my dad and brothers so i dont think it made any difference, didnt take any steroids in 1.5 years after that.
I am quite cognizant of the benefits, possible side effects and contraindications of HRT.