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Seems most of us at getbig can afford to be happy...
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The basic principle here, by the way is that money provides diminishing returns of happiness (a bit like steroid dosages). Up to a certain amounts (ie 75K, it will increase your happiness), but after that the additional increases don't bring about the same incrimental increase in happiness...
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The basic principle here, by the way is that money provides diminishing returns of happiness (a bit like steroid dosages). Up to a certain amounts (ie 75K, it will increase your happiness), but after that the additional increases don't bring about the same incrimental increase in happiness...
Makes sense. You can be quite comfortable on 75K annually. I for one am certainly not jealous of some old ugly billionaire. I would rather be young and not have a billion dollars. Money certainly relates to happiness though but the law of diminishing returns makes sense to be applicable here.
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Makes sense. You can be quite comfortable on 75K annually. I for one am certainly not jealous of some old ugly billionaire. I would rather be young and not have a billion dollars. Money certainly relates to happiness though but the law of diminishing returns makes sense to be applicable here.
Fuck that I'd rather be old, wise and rich....Youth is overrated especially if you're not rich.
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Happiness comes with a price tag? :-\
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Happiness comes with a price tag? :-\
Basically, yes it does. We all need food, shelter, health, safety etc before we can be "comfortable". After that a bit more money still provides some additional happiness, but not as much as the initiall happiness you get from the basics.
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A lot of people aren't even happy. They're just comfortable and living to die in their meaningless life. Just waiting for the next season of desperate houswives so they have something to discuss in the grocery line. Life is ridiculous lol.
Here's Maslows hierarchy of needs anyways.
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I would say I am somewhere in between Esteem and Self Actualization.
Whrere would you say most IFBB pros are at? And has Kai reached Self Actualization?
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Basically, yes it does. We all need food, shelter, health, safety etc before we can be "comfortable". After that a bit more money still provides some additional happiness, but not as much as the initiall happiness you get from the basics.
True.
But at the same time you can't affix a (monetary) price tag on happiness. Plenty of natives live off the land and raise their families without our civilized mess constraining them. At the end of the day they probably lead a happier life minus all the distractions we can't do without.
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True.
But at the same time you can't affix a (monetary) price tag on happiness. Plenty of natives live off the land and raise their families without our civilized mess constraining them. At the end of the day they probably lead a happier life minus all the distractions we can't do without.
agree - I think the study was based on people living in New York. For natives, the cost would obviously be much lower if you were to measure it in USD - basically whatever it would cost for the basics of food, shelter etc. So in Africa, where people are at the poverty level, the cost might be USD 5K, perhaps.
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agree - I think the study was based on people living in New York. For natives, the cost would obviously be much lower if you were to measure it in USD - basically whatever it would cost for the basics of food, shelter etc. So in Africa, where people are at the poverty level, the cost might be USD 5K, perhaps.
There is a happiness scale that measures quality of life - gross national happiness - started off on (but not limited to ) Buddhist values.
Sort of like GDP for the new age.
Africa is a troubled continent It'd take more than just money to set things right there.
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I would rather be young and not have a billion dollars.
Which you are, but inevitably you will get old and still not have a billion dollars!!
Just trying to cheer you up bud!! :)
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Which you are, but inevitably you will get old and still not have a billion dollars!!
Just trying to cheer you up bud!! :)
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
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Here's a question for you guys -If you could have 1 million dollars given to you, but in return you had to lose all your muscle mass so that you got down to say 75kg (ie pretty skinny) and you could never again gain any size or muscle, would you take up that offer? What would give you more happiness - the muscle or the money?
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2000 € a month can provide good living, though there's not too much room for an expensive car, huge flat and so on.
4000 € would be the bomb.
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A lot of people aren't even happy. They're just comfortable and living to die in their meaningless life. Just waiting for the next season of desperate houswives so they have something to discuss in the grocery line. Life is ridiculous lol.
Here's Maslows hierarchy of needs anyways.
(http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/800px-maslows_hierarchy_of_needssvg.png)
Maybe I'm a sad human being and a loner but love/friendship section would be on the top for me. For my mental health me is more important than others.
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What the hell is going on in that picture ;D
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I have 75k$, but I'm far from happy. What am I doing wrong?
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Makes sense. You can be quite comfortable on 75K annually. I for one am certainly not jealous of some old ugly billionaire. I would rather be young and not have a billion dollars. Money certainly relates to happiness though but the law of diminishing returns makes sense to be applicable here.
x2 except for the dollar amount. In California I'd put the figure at $150,000. I, too, would rather be young than have a billion dollars. With age comes illness and other physical restrictions that you cannot begin to imagine when you are young. When you're 25 your body just works the way it is supposed to. That begins to change after 35-40. You'll see . . . :-\
In addition, happiness is related to personality type. If you are "happy" (whatever that means) with a modest amount of money, then you will be happy with a lot more money. If you are unhappy, cynical, easy to anger, etc. with little money, you will be the same with a lot of money. I once read in a comic book that "powers" don't make a superhero; they augment you. That is to say, super powers make you more of what you already are. I think the same is true of money.
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The whole 'too much money won't make you happy' spiel is no more true than estimating the point of diminishing returns - it's just stuff people who don't have "too much money" say, to make themselves feel better. You don't know if a billion dollars will make you happy or not, unless you have it and even then it depends on various factors such as whether you earned it or inherited it, among others.
Which you are, but inevitably you will get old and still not have a billion dollars!!
Just trying to cheer you up bud!! :)
LOL ;D
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In addition, happiness is related to personality type. If you are "happy" (whatever that means) with a modest amount of money, then you will be happy with a lot more money. If you are unhappy, cynical, easy to anger, etc. with little money, you will be the same with a lot of money. I once read in a comic book that "powers" don't make a superhero; they augment you. That is to say, super powers make you more of what you already are. I think the same is true of money.
you should watch the movie Unbreakable with Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson (if you haven't already)
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you should watch the movie Unbreakable with Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson (if you haven't already)
Saw it. A poor execution of a brilliant idea. BW & MNS (with or without SJ) are ostensibly working on parts II and III; it was originally conceived as a trilogy.
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outside of NY n Cal...i've always said 72k was the magic number...given you walk away with 4k after taxes, insur, etc. it's like a 100k+ salary esp in the southern states. 1k mortgage in TX =
(http://media.ebby.com/thumbnail/361128/listing_11.jpg)
vs Cal
(http://images.craigslist.org/3m03p43l55O55W15X1a9720443027ad2b1e50.jpg)
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anyway....good money if you are single w/no debt.
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Saw it. A poor execution of a brilliant idea. BW & MNS (with or without SJ) are ostensibly working on parts II and III; it was originally conceived as a trilogy.
Nah, it was a great movie.
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your mom is great
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your mom is great
I know. So is yours.
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We should all be millionares in our 20's...Life would be perfect
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This is stupid. People that make 75 k a year are more likely to be happy. Because their healthy. Anyone making over 75k has a high stress life which is unhealthy. And most making less were never healthy. Redo this study, and remove all the people with mental disorders, or health conditions, and the study becomes meaningless.
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Holy shit. I just started thinking. I can live with 10 000 euros per year just fine. I don't have a car or own apartment though. And live in a communist nation so most health expenses are paid by the government.
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I'm on around 500K a year (after tax) - I am pretty happy - not 100% happy, and there are always small annoyances - injuries while training, bad service in a resturant, people who annoy me, an idiot taxi driver, not being able to fuck a chick you thought you would be able to get, etc, but these are all minor. But overall, I can say I am very happy. One thing to bear in mind for me is that I started with nothing. I appreciate money, as I worked for every cent. But its not the money itself, its what I can do with the money. I never have to worry about the cost of a meal, and can eat any place I want, drink anything I want, buy any clothes I want etc. If I want to travel, stay in nice places etc I can do it. I don't need to every worry about rent, where the next paycheck is coming from etc. So to that extent I think the money does help contrubute to my happiness. That can be compared to others who have a lot more, but perhaps always had it - rich parents, trust fund, etc. For them, having money is the norm, and whilst some of them are happy, quite a few don't seem to be too happy at all, have no direction in life, problems with the taxman, parents, the trustee, with drugs, etc.
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I'm on around 500K a year (after tax) - I am pretty happy - not 100% happy, and there are always small annoyances - injuries while training, bad service in a resturant, people who annoy me, an idiot taxi driver, not being able to fuck a chick you thought you would be able to get, etc, but these are all minor. But overall, I can say I am very happy. One thing to bear in mind for me is that I started with nothing. I appreciate money, as I worked for every cent. But its not the money itself, its what I can do with the money. I never have to worry about the cost of a meal, and can eat any place I want, drink anything I want, buy any clothes I want etc. If I want to travel, stay in nice places etc I can do it. I don't need to every worry about rent, where the next paycheck is coming from etc. So to that extent I think the money does help contrubute to my happiness. That can be compared to others who have a lot more, but perhaps always had it - rich parents, trust fund, etc. For them, having money is the norm, and whilst some of them are happy, quite a few don't seem to be too happy at all, have no direction in life, problems with the taxman, parents, the trustee, with drugs, etc.
Tell us a little about your line of work...
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I am in my 20's make around $75-90k and I damn sure ain't that happy...Lots of things I still want...I hope I am never content, something has to keep me motivated and going....Those are the things I don't yet have
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I am in my 20's make around $75-90k and I damn sure ain't that happy...Lots of things I still want...I hope I am never content, something has to keep me motivated and going....Those are the things I don't yet have
God, for one . . .
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Tell us a little about your line of work...
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Started an advertising company in my 20's. Sold it, but now still employed as a consultant for the company. Good job and good fun :)
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I honestly get more enjoyment out of getbig (which is free) than most things I could buy for a thousand dollars. or 2, or ten almost. i can't put a price on cracking a smile after a shitty day at work. no fancy clothes, car, or square footage can bring me that.
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as long as your chase the almighty dollar the gov't has you just were they want, working, buying worthless shit, and then dying after you worked your life to death.
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I honestly get more enjoyment out of getbig (which is free) than most things I could buy for a thousand dollars. or 2, or ten almost. i can't put a price on cracking a smile after a shitty day at work. no fancy clothes, car, or square footage can bring me that.
True, but surely if you had what you have and then say, 75K a year on top of that, surely you would be even happier?
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True, but surely if you had what you have and then say, 75K a year on top of that, surely you would be even happier?
doubt it. i'd be more happy if my colleagues made 75k a year less than me.
also, to not have to go to work.
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more money = better house, better car, better food, better vacations, better entertainment, better neighborhoods, better schools, better looking women etc
how does that not make you happier?
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more money = better house, better car, better food, better vacations, better entertainment, better neighborhoods, better schools, better looking women etc
how does that not make you happier?
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being happy doesn't come from material things, once you get it, your mind will get high off the new material item, then soon after you will sink back to where you were at before. Happiness is gained through learning about yourself and what you personally need to overcome and accomplish to become happy, not from possessions.
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being happy doesn't come from material things, once you get it, your mind will get high off the new material item, then soon after you will sink back to where you were at before. Happiness is gained through learning about yourself and what you personally need to overcome and accomplish to become happy, not from possessions.
it's not just having the possessions, it's about having options
you might have no desire to own a ferrari, but wouldn't it make you feel good to know you could have one if you wanted it? that can't improve your state of mind?
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it's not just having the possessions, it's about having options
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I agree - for me, it is a huge relief and brings confort lack of stress to know I can have these things, and need not worry about them. Having this option greatly reduces what otherwise be a constant stress and worry in my life.
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Here's a question for you guys -If you could have 1 million dollars given to you, but in return you had to lose all your muscle mass so that you got down to say 75kg (ie pretty skinny) and you could never again gain any size or muscle, would you take up that offer? What would give you more happiness - the muscle or the money?
Anyone???
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Here's a question for you guys -If you could have 1 million dollars given to you, but in return you had to lose all your muscle mass so that you got down to say 75kg (ie pretty skinny) and you could never again gain any size or muscle, would you take up that offer? What would give you more happiness - the muscle or the money?
I'll take the million dollars this instance because I have a good looking face already ;D
And eventually you will lose all that mass anyways when you get older, that is not taking in consideration AAS or GH.
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Anyone???
Your wealth doesn't help your human biology knowledge. 75kg would make me in absolute fit condition....CR.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OHL1ZxgUhkY/TCTPDOLvY_I/AAAAAAAALgc/z8uJr2IAlrE/s1600/ronaldo.jpg)
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my man...gracie. 8)
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oh yeah 75k is sooooo little ::), I forgot most getbiggers start living from 1milj and up... pfff...
75k would be more than enough for me... If I got 75k right now in my bank.ac it would make my blood presure so much lower and my mind more stable... 75k is alot of money if you are single like me...
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more money = better house, better car, better food, better vacations, better entertainment, better neighborhoods, better schools, better looking women etc
how does that not make you happier?
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there's always something "better" . . .
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Saw it. A poor execution of a brilliant idea. BW & MNS (with or without SJ) are ostensibly working on parts II and III; it was originally conceived as a trilogy.
yeh i agree, it was a good premise...........but the film was left wanting.....i coulndt really put my finger on why though
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If a tree falls in the woods, and there's no one around to hear it, are the women clothed?
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HAHAHah - that pic makes me happy :)
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The trick to happiness is having something to do. Too much money and you get lazy or have to work too much. No money and your limited. Happiest people I know, keep busy. It's pretty simple, having shit don't make you happy. Just like having the girl isn't the best part it's trying to get one.
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[ Just like having the girl isn't the best part it's trying to get one.
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I dunno man - I rather just like have a girl rather than chasing them. The thing about the "chase" being better than the "kill" is overrated for me. Let me have the "kill" directly anytime!
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All the grapefruit and plastic trophies in the world can't make you happy - Kai Greene
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I am suprised someone has not posted a pics of a hot chick and said "this is happiness..."
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Started an advertising company in my 20's. Sold it, but now still employed as a consultant for the company. Good job and good fun :)
hold on, so you're making 500K a year by working for the company you sold earlier, right?
Wouldnt you be earning more if you had kept the company instead of selling it?
i dont quite get it
what am i missing?
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hold on, so you're making 500K a year by working for the company you sold earlier, right?
Wouldnt you be earning more if you had kept the company instead of selling it?
i dont quite get it
what am i missing?
Willl - this is the cost/benefit analysis anyone who considers selling all or part of a business needs to consider. In my case, I had to calculate what I thought I could reasonably earn had I maintained control vs the benefit of getting a pay-off immediately, but a loss of control. I felt that getting a decent of cash up-front enabled me to diversify away from one business, into a range of income producing assets - stocks, property, investing in start-ups, and also a few "fun" investments (bars, restaurants, etc). Also I figured that after my restraint of trade period expired, worst case scenario, I could in any case start a similar company, especially as so mych of my business is about contacts.
Make sense?
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allright, so how much did u sell it for?
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In USD? It would be around 3.8m (at that time). Since then, I grew that money into around 8-9m USD (is fluctuates depending on how the market moves). The assets I have now produce a return of around 5-6% after tax. Is a nice position to be in, as provided I manage carefully I will always be able to live quite a nice life.
I have a mixture of friends - some who earn very little (work in bars or stores etc probably think I am super rich). Other guys I know are way way riicher than me - I am talking 100m, with some people over a Billion (family businesses).
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Willl - this is the cost/benefit analysis anyone who considers selling all or part of a business needs to consider. In my case, I had to calculate what I thought I could reasonably earn had I maintained control vs the benefit of getting a pay-off immediately, but a loss of control. I felt that getting a decent of cash up-front enabled me to diversify away from one business, into a range of income producing assets - stocks, property, investing in start-ups, and also a few "fun" investments (bars, restaurants, etc). Also I figured that after my restraint of trade period expired, worst case scenario, I could in any case start a similar company, especially as so mych of my business is about contacts.
Make sense?
not to mention as an employee you can literally punch out on the clock and not worry about it for a couple hours/days. as an owner you are never 'off' work. even at night laying in bed the business controls you to some degree.
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My time now at the company is mainly spent on client relations, and management. I get lots of time for training at they gym, do a bit of entertaining on some evenings (usually only with cleints I actually like). Its really a good life.
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In USD? It would be around 3.8m (at that time). Since then, I grew that money into around 8-9m USD (is fluctuates depending on how the market moves). The assets I have now produce a return of around 5-6% after tax. Is a nice position to be in, as provided I manage carefully I will always be able to live quite a nice life.
I have a mixture of friends - some who earn very little (work in bars or stores etc probably think I am super rich). Other guys I know are way way riicher than me - I am talking 100m, with some people over a Billion (family businesses).
don't you feel guilty when the manager at mcdonalds is working x10 harder than you and getting shit pay and living in a crappy apartment and is consumed with hours hardly able to apply for any other jobs, we need socialism.
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don't you feel guilty when the manager at mcdonalds is working x10 harder than you and getting shit pay and living in a crappy apartment and is consumed with hours hardly able to apply for any other jobs, we need socialism.
I treat everyone in those kind of jobs with respect (at least initially when I meet them). Most of the guys I train with at the gym have "ordinary jobs". I have no guilt about pay disparity in the US. Many of the people at McDonalds etc had a decent chance to get educated and made a choice to work there. Where I do feel a bit more guilty though is seeing extreme poverty in countries such as India, where people (or kids especially) have really never had a fair start to life, and little realistic hope of much better.
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I don't need a million, but 75K just ain't enough for some people.
Mortgage, cars, utilities, food, kids, schooling, clothing, normal family vacations, etc. Fucking shit adds up.
I'm not crying poor, but if anyone making over $75K wants to give any away, just so they stay right at that ideal level, just PM me. ;D
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I treat everyone in those kind of jobs with respect (at least initially when I meet them). Most of the guys I train with at the gym have "ordinary jobs". I have no guilt about pay disparity in the US. Many of the people at McDonalds etc had a decent chance to get educated and made a choice to work there. Where I do feel a bit more guilty though is seeing extreme poverty in countries such as India, where people (or kids especially) have really never had a fair start to life, and little realistic hope of much better.
cool
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outside of NY n Cal...i've always said 72k was the magic number...given you walk away with 4k after taxes, insur, etc. it's like a 100k+ salary esp in the southern states. 1k mortgage in TX =
(http://media.ebby.com/thumbnail/361128/listing_11.jpg)
vs Cal
(http://images.craigslist.org/3m03p43l55O55W15X1a9720443027ad2b1e50.jpg)
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anyway....good money if you are single w/no debt.
where u from G?