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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Vince G, CSN MFT on September 18, 2010, 12:25:12 PM
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Got some of his morning show pictures and he looked out of this world.
Prejudging - He was moved to the center after the symmetry round and stayed there which is a pretty good sign that he may have won the event. We'll see tonight
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god are you a f@ggot......no one cares about ANYHING you say.
worry about getting your home off wheels, dont worry about reporting bodybuilding news on getbig you sickening little queen
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What's his cycle this year?
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god are you a f@ggot......no one cares about ANYHING you say.
worry about getting your home off wheels, dont worry about reporting bodybuilding news on getbig you sickening little queen
;D
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What's his cycle this year?
Scivation products. Other than that, drug free
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I bet he looked better than this dude:
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BWAAAHAHHHAHAHA
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;D
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alright trailer monkey.........carry on, you cant help it anyway............your just trailer trash ::) ::)
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Oh thank god for the update,charcoal face........Now I can go on with my day in peace ::)
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Oh thank god for the update,charcoal face........Now I can go on with my day in peace ::)
AHAHHAAHAH!! I'm sorry, it's so wrong but "charcoal face" got me.
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Scivation products. Other than that, drug free
You just keep right on believing that....fuck you're naive.
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Layne Norton uses heavy dosages of anabolic steroids and fat burning drugs, yet competes in "natural" shows. That's pathetic.
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You just keep right on believing that....fuck you're naive.
There's no proof or evidence that he's used steroids. Looking huge and shredded isn't evidence.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he fails a drug test or admits to use
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There's no proof or evidence that he's used steroids. Looking huge and shredded isn't evidence.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he fails a drug test or admits to use
If you can't tell then you have no clue about bodybuilding. Tito Raymond never admitted it, you actually think he's "natural"? BTW Vince, no such thing as a "natural".
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where are the pics of mad stomp layne?
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If you can't tell then you have no clue about bodybuilding. Tito Raymond never admitted it, you actually think he's "natural"? BTW Vince, no such thing as a "natural".
I believe Vince's claims that he is natural ...THAT I'll will put money on!! I think Vince is allergic to testosterone hahaha
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There's no proof or evidence that he's used steroids. Looking huge and shredded isn't evidence.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he fails a drug test or admits to use
is this thread going as well as you thought it would homo N*****??
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what do this thread and the thread starter have in common?
one has gone to shit and the other is the same complexion as shit
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god are you a f@ggot......no one cares about ANYHING you say.
worry about getting your home off wheels, dont worry about reporting bodybuilding news on getbig you sickening little queen
youve really been off the deep end bitter lately? whats up with you?
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What's wrong with teeth?
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Layne Norton uses heavy dosages of anabolic steroids and fat burning drugs, yet competes in "natural" shows. That's pathetic.
This crap again ::)
Ok, other than "you said he uses", what actual proof do you have?
You do have some actual proof right? If not , your claim is pretty lame and silly.
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There's no proof or evidence that he's used steroids. Looking huge and shredded isn't evidence.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he fails a drug test or admits to use
Thanks for the update Goodrum , please post the pics of Layne when you can.
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Why do I feel sorry for Vincent? Is he a glutton for punishment?
I know it's late to ask, but why did he compete fat? I guess that's the whole joke on him about being delusional n shit... yeah...
I had a friend that competed fat like that. He really thought he was going to win. He was taking pictures out in the street in front of the venue. It's actually a prestigious show. It was the Contra Costa in Hayward. I mean, he didn't have abs showing at all. Granted, he did lose a lot of weight compared to where he was originally, but when he competed, he was what most folks would have considered "off season" bulk.
I couldn't tell him without hurting his feelers or pissing him off... embarrassing as shiz.
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so post up the pics. I'm interested.
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If you can't tell then you have no clue about bodybuilding. Tito Raymond never admitted it, you actually think he's "natural"? BTW Vince, no such thing as a "natural".
Coach are YOU an expert on natty BB.
How many natty shows did you compete in?
Ever supervise any drug testing for one?
Have you ever promoted a natty contest?
How many natty contests have you seen in person?
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Why do I feel sorry for Vincent? Is he a glutton for punishment?
I know it's late to ask, but why did he compete fat? I guess that's the whole joke on him about being delusional n shit... yeah...
I had a friend that competed fat like that. He really thought he was going to win. He was taking pictures out in the street in front of the venue. It's actually a prestigious show. It was the Contra Costa in Hayward. I mean, he didn't have abs showing at all. Granted, he did lose a lot of weight compared to where he was originally, but when he competed, he was what most folks would have considered "off season" bulk.
I couldn't tell him without hurting his feelers or pissing him off... embarrassing as shiz.
Someone should tell! That's important. Tell your friends if they are way off and going to do something stupid.
I was delusional in high school years - I thought I was going to be successful bb. Luckily some people told me plain and simple you don't have the physique required. Thank god for that. Someone should have done the same to Goodrum. And many others for that matter
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Why do I feel sorry for Vincent? Is he a glutton for punishment?
I know it's late to ask, but why did he compete fat? I guess that's the whole joke on him about being delusional n shit... yeah...
I had a friend that competed fat like that. He really thought he was going to win. He was taking pictures out in the street in front of the venue. It's actually a prestigious show. It was the Contra Costa in Hayward. I mean, he didn't have abs showing at all. Granted, he did lose a lot of weight compared to where he was originally, but when he competed, he was what most folks would have considered "off season" bulk.
I couldn't tell him without hurting his feelers or pissing him off... embarrassing as shiz.
vince is a homosexuals.
he is a sub species of human and is incapable of
intellegent action, thought or comprehension. he is not delusional.
for his ill infested mind it's normal
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Got some of his morning show pictures and he looked out of this world.
Prejudging - He was moved to the center after the symmetry round and stayed there which is a pretty good sign that he may have won the event. We'll see tonight
I wonder how he really looks. Cause if you say he looks good he just might "look good" with your fucked up eyesight. Remember what you see no one else does. You are a blind delusional idiot
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This crap again ::)
Ok, other than "you said he uses", what actual proof do you have?
You do have some actual proof right? If not , your claim is pretty lame and silly.
Proof is the 35 years of experience I have and I'm sure Mindspin has at least 20. If you've been in or around for that length of time....you know. If not, time to reassess you're knowledge
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I wonder how he really looks. Cause if you say he looks good he just might "look good" with your fucked up eyesight. Remember what you see no one else does. You are a blind delusional idiot
You can check it out for yourself as its on webcast, Piggy. And obviously people do care or no one would be responding...... ;D
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If you can't tell then you have no clue about bodybuilding. Tito Raymond never admitted it, you actually think he's "natural"? BTW Vince, no such thing as a "natural".
What does Tito have to do with Layne??? ???
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The hate is strong in this thread.
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People bash Vince, at times rightfully so, but he claimed to have 18" arms and I think that judging from the pictures his arms would be quite big in person. I know he isn't shredded like a bodybuilder, but I imagine he would look pretty big to the average person, no?
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People bash Vince, at times rightfully so, but he claimed to have 18" arms and I think that judging from the pictures his arms would be quite big in person. I know he isn't shredded like a bodybuilder, but I imagine he would look pretty big to the average person, no?
You are a 170lb twink so stfu
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no such thing as a "natural".
Why are you saying that ,Coach ?
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You are a 170lb twink so stfu
Why are you being mean to me? ???
Why are people mean to Vince? ??? ???
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I find it hard to believe that vince has 18" arms. Maybe if he is 6'8 tall.
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hahaha look at his new website (yeah again another one after all previous ones failed miserably costing him more than he invested)!
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Muscle World Order
Fair & Balanced Journalism…. By Vince Goodrum
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he's now a .... (self proclaimed) journalist!
http://muscleworldorder.com/
I wonder what bullshit certification he got to qualify as a journalist lol...
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hahaha look at his new website (yeah again another one after all previous ones failed miserably costing him more than he invested)!
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Muscle World Order
Fair & Balanced Journalism…. By Vince Goodrum
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he's now a .... (self proclaimed) journalist!
http://muscleworldorder.com/
I wonder what bullshit certification he got to qualify as a journalist lol...
This website makes revenue by the use of carefully placed Google Adsense as well as Clickbank Book Ads and the Clickbank inventory in the "Programs Menu".
So far, I've made enough money to run it for 4 years as hosting the site is only 7 dollars a month. I guess I'm really going broke on this one aren't I..... ;D
This design was originally going to be for Muscleweek but I didn't hear from Ed in a while (found out later that he called when my voicemails are filled up on my cell... ;D) so I decided to use it to build my own private little spot on the internet. And now I see why Anthony Roberts blogs. Its very profitable if you're a popular person or Getbig Legend.
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god are you a f@ggot......no one cares about ANYHING you say.
worry about getting your home off wheels, dont worry about reporting bodybuilding news on getbig you sickening little queen
x2
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bunch of haters in tis muggy fugger
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Layne Norton just won the Heavyweight Class of the IFPA Pro Internationals
Congrats to Layne for all of his hard work and effort
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Layne Norton just won the Heavyweight Class of the IFPA Pro Internationals
Congrats to Layne for all of his hard work, effort and a special thank you to his dealer.
fixed
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I am interested in seeing pics. Post them up!
Sounds like we have a whole bunch of jealous people out there on GetBig - I wonder if you guys would be as harsh face to face if you knew the poster or Layne personally - probably not, but somehow the internet turns some of you into bully-wannabies.
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Coach are YOU an expert on natty BB.
How many natty shows did you compete in?
Ever supervise any drug testing for one?
Have you ever promoted a natty contest?
How many natty contests have you seen in person?
Dude stfu..you know sweet fuck all and are deluded as Vince if you think all these "naturals" are actualy truly natural.
This is why the world is in a mess because we have idiots like you teaching our kids.
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Proof is the 35 years of experience I have and I'm sure Mindspin has at least 20. If you've been in or around for that length of time....you know. If not, time to reassess you're knowledge
This.
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I am interested in seeing pics. Post them up!
Sounds like we have a whole bunch of jealous people out there on GetBig - I wonder if you guys would be as harsh face to face if you knew the poster or Layne personally - probably not, but somehow the internet turns some of you into bully-wannabies.
we aren't jealous, we are just correcting the people who keep saying he is natural.
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I am interested in seeing pics. Post them up!
Sounds like we have a whole bunch of jealous people out there on GetBig - I wonder if you guys would be as harsh face to face if you knew the poster or Layne personally - probably not, but somehow the internet turns some of you into bully-wannabies.
You bet they are jealous of Layne so let them see what hard work and effort does.
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You bet they are jealous of Layne so let them see what hard work and effort does.
Awful genetics for BB
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You bet they are jealous of Layne so let them see what hard work and effort does.
you really want to suck his cock dont you
stupid trailer trash :-\
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His pec repair seems to have been really successful. Can't even notice.
As for his natural status. Who knows. Will he be drug tested? He should be if he's the heavyweight winner.
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As for his natural status. Who knows. Will he be drug tested? He should be if he's the heavyweight winner.
Drug tests mean nothing Im affraid , using fast acting esters eg waterbased , drugs they dont test for etc etc it is very easy to waltz past a drug test.
As meticulous as Layne is he will know how to time it just right so he passes with flying colors , thats natural BB in a nutshell in this day and age.
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god are you a f@ggot......no one cares about ANYHING you say.
worry about getting your home off wheels, dont worry about reporting bodybuilding news on getbig you sickening little queen
Clearly you care what he says, because you respond to most of his threads.. LOL fag!
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Dude stfu..you know sweet fuck all and are deluded as Vince if you think all these "naturals" are actualy truly natural.
This is why the world is in a mess because we have idiots like you teaching our kids.
See this is typical here on getbig. Instead of sticking with the topic of natty bodybuilding, you make some silly personal attack against me ( and Goodrum).
In a later post you bring up the validity of drug testing via water based compounds which is true.
Look Will, you abviously have some real knowledge so please stick with that .
I don't care if you call me names and it adds nothing to the debate.
Thanks.
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See this is typical here on getbig. Instead of sticking with the topic of natty bodybuilding, you make some silly personal attack against me ( and Goodrum).
In a later post you bring up the validity of drug testing via water based compounds which is true.
Look Will, you abviously have some real knowledge so please stick with that .
I don't care if you call me names and it adds nothing to the debate.
Thanks.
Its more the frustration you cause when things are presented to you that are factual from People who know and you still bury your head in the sand.
The guys that make money off there natural status are not natural they just do not have the genetics to make it big time in BB so they take the other avenue and sell a more marketable type of build in the magazines and by selling supplements.
They are better off $ wise as there is not alot of money in BB but to the select few , take away food and drug money from a weekly income of your average BB and you can see why they lower themselves to performing g4p and drug dealing the list goes on..
This message has been there for a long while , put it this way and zulack said this in his colum in the 90s if you are in the mags selling products on the covers or in articles you are enhanced even if you dont have the look of the pros , its the type of drugs they use , more anabolic than androgen based so you get the hard dryer look add in gh t3 clen plus quick acting esters etc then thats what gives you this look and i dont care about drug tests they are easily beaten..
Ialso dont care what someone uses but what irks me is when these guys lie to usely gullible teens or newbies that they can build a body like theres if they just take this supplement etc etc that irks me when they are not natural and none of them are.
And please stop with the "they have passed a test so they are clean nonsense" tests mean shit
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Its more the frustration you cause when things are presented to you that are factual from People who know and you still bury your head in the sand.
The guys that make money off there natural status are not natural they just do not have the genetics to make it big time in BB so they take the other avenue and sell a more marketable type of build in the magazines and by selling supplements.
They are better off $ wise as there is not alot of money in BB but to the select few , take away food and drug money from a weekly income of your average BB and you can see why they lower themselves to performing g4p and drug dealing the list goes on..
This message has been there for a long while , put it this way and zulack said this in his colum in the 90s if you are in the mags selling products on the covers or in articles you are enhanced even if you dont have the look of the pros , its the type of drugs they use , more anabolic than androgen based so you get the hard dryer look add in gh t3 clen plus quick acting esters etc then thats what gives you this look and i dont care about drug tests they are easily beaten..
Ialso dont care what someone uses but what irks me is when these guys lie to usely gullible teens or newbies that they can build a body like theres if they just take this supplement etc etc that irks me when they are not natural and none of them are.
And please stop with the "they have passed a test so they are clean nonsense" tests mean shit
QFT
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See this is typical here on getbig. Instead of sticking with the topic of natty bodybuilding, you make some silly personal attack against me ( and Goodrum).
There is no such a thing. All attacks against goodrum are highly appreciated and welcomed.
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fellas,, what grant say is very accurate,,
a fella like nortom is A CON ARTIST,,he sit here and read all what you write by the way,,he knows the damage he is doing and get louder and louder every years about it,, he dont understand that sooner or later and its already later he will get busted because people risk their lives for his bullcrap,,he is not liked by the people that count i assure you that,,
he is CON ARTIST OF THE WOSRST DEGREE
gh15 approved
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See this is typical here on getbig. Instead of sticking with the topic of natty bodybuilding, you make some silly personal attack against me ( and Goodrum).
In a later post you bring up the validity of drug testing via water based compounds which is true.
Look Will, you abviously have some real knowledge so please stick with that .
I don't care if you call me names and it adds nothing to the debate.
Thanks.
its nto only water based my friend,,today we make it very very easy in oil too,,we do test with no ester very easy ,,everyone use it,,not detected even with best test if taken right,,we also do a lot ofo other compound esterless,,that plus tabs which are very short half life,,and gh which no one test for and insulin since everybody diabetic now days in americana,,....plus clen and research chemical who sold over the counter since you have rats you need to work at since you are a vet assistant,,,plus t4 and t3 that sold to you via usps with other research goodies all colorful pill who look like mnms,,,they dont fooling anybody those natural wanna be,,what they do is pissing of the big boys who sit overseas and risk their lives so those natural wanna be be able sit and perade that they are natural while in reality are on everything esterless and short ester under the sun,,
layne nortom is a very soft physiqe,,he has high level estrogen in the body ,,thats what he is ,,thats why his body is average ,,,what he get out of hormones is denisty and strength combined with hardness,,he is exactly 30 lb over a true natural fella that does natural competition who are very very few now days,,but those 30lb are the result of hormone usage,,
gh15 approved
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its nto only water based my friend,,today we make it very very easy in oil too,,we do test with no ester very easy ,,everyone use it,,not detected even with best test if taken right,,we also do a lot ofo other compound esterless,,that plus tabs which are very short half life,,and gh which no one test for and insulin since everybody diabetic now days in americana,,....plus clen and research chemical who sold over the counter since you have rats you need to work at since you are a vet assistant,,,plus t4 and t3 that sold to you via usps with other research goodies all colorful pill who look like mnms,,,they dont fooling anybody those natural wanna be,,what they do is pissing of the big boys who sit overseas and risk their lives so those natural wanna be be able sit and perade that they are natural while in reality are on everything esterless and short ester under the sun,,
layne nortom is a very soft physiqe,,he has high level estrogen in the body ,,thats what he is ,,thats why his body is average ,,,what he get out of hormones is denisty and strength combined with hardness,,he is exactly 30 lb over a true natural fella that does natural competition who are very very few now days,,but those 30lb are the result of hormone usage,,
gh15 approved
GH15, you seem like a smart guy but you have rather narrow minded agenda about natural bodybuilding.
It is useless to even try to debate as you and those who believe you already have their minds made up. You did proivde some past posts with some interesting stuff about what pro bodybuilders take. Stick with that and please stop slandering the hard working natural with no objective proof. Thanks and good luck.
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Its more the frustration you cause when things are presented to you that are factual from People who know and you still bury your head in the sand.
The guys that make money off there natural status are not natural they just do not have the genetics to make it big time in BB so they take the other avenue and sell a more marketable type of build in the magazines and by selling supplements.
They are better off $ wise as there is not alot of money in BB but to the select few , take away food and drug money from a weekly income of your average BB and you can see why they lower themselves to performing g4p and drug dealing the list goes on..
This message has been there for a long while , put it this way and zulack said this in his colum in the 90s if you are in the mags selling products on the covers or in articles you are enhanced even if you dont have the look of the pros , its the type of drugs they use , more anabolic than androgen based so you get the hard dryer look add in gh t3 clen plus quick acting esters etc then thats what gives you this look and i dont care about drug tests they are easily beaten..
Ialso dont care what someone uses but what irks me is when these guys lie to usely gullible teens or newbies that they can build a body like theres if they just take this supplement etc etc that irks me when they are not natural and none of them are.
And please stop with the "they have passed a test so they are clean nonsense" tests mean shit
Most of the guys that do natty contests seem pretty honest from my experience. Will, like you I really don't care what a guy takes to build his body. I do know that the drug culture is an ingrained attitude within bodybuilding. The hardcore drug useing crowd loves the big, freaky, bodies only possible via great genetics and extreme drug use.
To me the real hypocrites are the supplement ads that show a juiced up pro acting like the supplement is the REAL product.
At least the top natty guys can pass an actual drug test and a lot closer to being real about what you can do by just hard training, legal supplements and good diet.
LOL< I am a lot more into running and hiking now and will never compete again as a bodybuilder, natty or whatever.I will always be a fan. Thanks for the dialgue and good luck with your training.
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Murdered by our very own Mr Getbig. Aquiles , we love you bro
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This guy is all over the forums, 100 percent nattie.
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fellas,, what grant say is very accurate,,
a fella like nortom is A CON ARTIST,,he sit here and read all what you write by the way,,he knows the damage he is doing and get louder and louder every years about it,, he dont understand that sooner or later and its already later he will get busted because people risk their lives for his bullcrap,,he is not liked by the people that count i assure you that,,
he is CON ARTIST OF THE WOSRST DEGREE
gh15 approved
Damage Layne is doing? wtf.
You are an unidentified internet steroid guru with some wierd, extreme ideas on steroids and BB drug use.
Layne is a legit PhD in protein biochem who can pass drug tests to support his claims. He is promoting a healthy form of bodybuilding and lifestyle.
You on the other hand advise everyone who wants to lift to become a walking pharmacy.
Who is the dangerous con man for kids getting into bodybuilding? Hmmmmmmm , I wonder.
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gh15 approved
So if he is 30lbs more than what he would be naturally, what do you think the natural limit is then? Say for the USA average of 5'10 height. Not debating he is natural or not, just curious what you think man's limitation is before you automatically assume chemical assistance.
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5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,
5-6% true bodyfat! ,,many can be natural at 175lb at 7-8%,,
the numbers i give are bible,,they are not up for debate,,everything already taken into consideration,,bone mass, tendoin,,strength ,,anything you can imagine,, TRUE NATURAL TALKING!
the numbers the adonis fella present on this board are the absolut max for true naturals,, absolut max and even he push it ,,since he present it at 167 if not mistaken
every inch = 7 lb this is the rule i have stated before,,not 4 and not 9 7 lb per inch for male ,,5-6 lb per inch for female
what i write if i chose to write is absolut laws,,there is not if and buts and what if and what nothing
so a fella like layne nortom is not lieing by a little ,,,you know not like he is coming at 172lb and at 6% saying this,,he come over 30 lb bigger i repeat bigger NOT heavier!,,,and with bf natural can not achieve as in sub 5% 4.5-5.5%,,most naturals cant see 5% they are between 5.5 and 6% at absolut minimum,,
if he was 6'5 or 6'6 then his numbers would be more common for true natural ,,but he is as far from 6'6 as howard is far from having a brain and common sense,,
gh15 approved
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5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,
5-6% true bodyfat! ,,many can be natural at 175lb at 7-8%,,
the numbers i give are bible,,they are not up for debate,,everything already taken into consideration,,bone mass, tendoin,,strength ,,anything you can imagine,, TRUE NATURAL TALKING!
the numbers the adonis fella present on this board are the absolut max for true naturals,, absolut max and even he push it ,,since he present it at 167 if not mistaken
every inch = 7 lb this is the rule i have stated before,,not 4 and not 9 7 lb per inch for male ,,5-6 lb per inch for female
what i write if i chose to write is absolut laws,,there is not if and buts and what if and what nothing
so a fella like layne nortom is not lieing by a little ,,,you know not like he is coming at 172lb and at 6% saying this,,he come over 30 lb bigger i repeat bigger NOT heavier!,,,and with bf natural can not achieve as in sub 5% 4.5-5.5%,,most naturals cant see 5% they are between 5.5 and 6% at absolut minimum,,
if he was 6'5 or 6'6 then his numbers would be more common for true natural ,,but he is as far from 6'6 as howard is far from having a brain and common sense,,
gh15 approved
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5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,
gh15 approved
hhhhhhahahahahaha Hi Adonis!!! ;D
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all the fellas you se in yoru fat americano gyms walking around at 184lb looking toned,,they are no where near 6% ,,they are at high singles sometimes low doubles,,usually around 8-12,,big diff between 8 percent and 12 percent ,,,there is big diff between even 8 and 10 to the naked eye not much but in PICTURES big diff!!
so when you see a fella natural that been to some hdrol lolwhich ofcourse is drug but lets call him natural ,,walking around at his 185lb and have some muscle ,,,always look at his bodyfat% ,,,it is not 6% it is usually 10-12% now THATS POSSIBLE NATURALLY
gh15 approved
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i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 65 truly naturally,,
i applogize
gh15 approved
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5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,
5-6% true bodyfat! ,,many can be natural at 175lb at 7-8%,,
the numbers i give are bible,,they are not up for debate,,everything already taken into consideration,,bone mass, tendoin,,strength ,,anything you can imagine,, TRUE NATURAL TALKING!
the numbers the adonis fella present on this board are the absolut max for true naturals,, absolut max and even he push it ,,since he present it at 167 if not mistaken
every inch = 7 lb this is the rule i have stated before,,not 4 and not 9 7 lb per inch for male ,,5-6 lb per inch for female
what i write if i chose to write is absolut laws,,there is not if and buts and what if and what nothing
so a fella like layne nortom is not lieing by a little ,,,you know not like he is coming at 172lb and at 6% saying this,,he come over 30 lb bigger i repeat bigger NOT heavier!,,,and with bf natural can not achieve as in sub 5% 4.5-5.5%,,most naturals cant see 5% they are between 5.5 and 6% at absolut minimum,,
if he was 6'5 or 6'6 then his numbers would be more common for true natural ,,but he is as far from 6'6 as howard is far from having a brain and common sense,,
gh15 approved
READ IT FUCKERS!!
THIS IS WHY GH15 WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE HORMONE GOD.......
lot of guys can tell you about how much gear to take, and what someone is on...........you read a couple of anabolics desk reference guides and hang around the gym, info like this becomes second nature
but this kind of post is what makes GH15 special...........he knows the limits of human genetic potential, he knows what bodies are enhanced, which are not, how much someone enhanced/not enhanced will weight...........
these numbers are not up for debate, couple of black guys or total freaks around that can carry 10 or 12 lbs more then a guy with average genetics........but these people are VERY rare ............like .001 percent of the population rare
and even with these freaks........thats 10 or 12 lbs........NOT 30lbs...........5'9 @ 210 @ < 7% is impossible......muscle is metabolically taxing, and human bodies are set up by anthropology to conserve as much metabolic resources as possible.
long live HORMONE GOD 15..........
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i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 6% truly naturally,,
i applogize
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i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 65 truly naturally,,
i applogize
gh15 approved
hhaahaa "Ooops"
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rest assure that i wrote it million time before,,i keep 5'10 in my head because i like mishkos height...and that ass in yoru avatar
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i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 65 truly naturally,,
i applogize
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My first show I entered at 18 I weighed 169 and was between 5 to 6% BF at 5' 11". I had been training hard at a gym for about 1 1/2 years.
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Awful genetics for BB
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Why?
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READ IT FUCKERS!!
THIS IS WHY GH15 WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE HORMONE GOD.......
lot of guys can tell you about how much gear to take, and what someone is on...........you read a couple of anabolics desk reference guides and hang around the gym, info like this becomes second nature
but this kind of post is what makes GH15 special...........he knows the limits of human genetic potential, he knows what bodies are enhanced, which are not, how much someone enhanced/not enhanced will weight...........
these numbers are not up for debate, couple of black guys or total freaks around that can carry 10 or 12 lbs more then a guy with average genetics........but these people are VERY rare ............like .001 percent of the population rare
and even with these freaks........thats 10 or 12 lbs........NOT 30lbs...........5'9 @ 210 @ < 7% is impossible......muscle is metabolically taxing, and human bodies are set up by anthropology to conserve as much metabolic resources as possible.
long live HORMONE GOD 15..........
Hmmm, the Journal of Applied Physiology must have left his comprehensive study off this month? I also didn't see any reference for Dr GH15 on any medical or scientific research site?
I am impressed he was able to do a world wide study on every human to determine the absolute limits on natural muscle growth in humans. ::) I am "sure" I overlooked his references for his journal abstract and study protocols hehehe.
Of course only a true GOD could do such a thing.
Keep listening to this quack and good luck to all that do hehehehe...In the world of science this guy would be a joke...if he existed in real life that is.
ANYONE who thinks this GH15 is legit is clueless about how real research and conclsusions are done.
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all the fellas you se in yoru fat americano gyms walking around at 184lb looking toned,,they are no where near 6% ,,they are at high singles sometimes low doubles,,usually around 8-12,,big diff between 8 percent and 12 percent ,,,there is big diff between even 8 and 10 to the naked eye not much but in PICTURES big diff!!
so when you see a fella natural that been to some hdrol lolwhich ofcourse is drug but lets call him natural ,,walking around at his 185lb and have some muscle ,,,always look at his bodyfat% ,,,it is not 6% it is usually 10-12% now THATS POSSIBLE NATURALLY
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In fairness you are free to make observations on what you see and post these ideas on the forum. BUT, to act like your thoughts are scientific facts for all humans, is just retarded.
C'mon, any nutjob can make up any thoery and if it sounds good, some will buy into it.
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i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 65 truly naturally,,
i applogize
gh15 approved
gh15, God of Hormones can you explain you said Skip went into retirement quietly, did he get busted ?
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dont tell some of the top sprinters, rugby players, olympic weightlifters, speed skaters, swimmers, afl footballers and other top naturals whove never even tried to bodybuild this- they'd have to lose some weight.
very common to have 5'8"-5'10" 185lb athletes at high single digit bfat bouncing around for hours on end..many of them only dabble in the weights room.
i'd put natural "limits" closer to 230lb for a 6 footer and high single digit bfat for a trainer who is dedicated to weights only. (rugby has guys at 6'-6'2" topping scales at more than 250 with bfat around 15%)...
i think that the point needs to be made that naturals are better off around the 10-13% bfat range- to hold more mass.
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very common to have 5'8"-5'10" 185lb athletes at high single digit bfat bouncing around for hours on end..many of them only dabble in the weights room.
Very common?
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5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,
5-6% true bodyfat! ,,many can be natural at 175lb at 7-8%,,
the numbers i give are bible,,they are not up for debate,,everything already taken into consideration,,bone mass, tendoin,,strength ,,anything you can imagine,, TRUE NATURAL TALKING!
the numbers the adonis fella present on this board are the absolut max for true naturals,, absolut max and even he push it ,,since he present it at 167 if not mistaken
every inch = 7 lb this is the rule i have stated before,,not 4 and not 9 7 lb per inch for male ,,5-6 lb per inch for female
what i write if i chose to write is absolut laws,,there is not if and buts and what if and what nothing
so a fella like layne nortom is not lieing by a little ,,,you know not like he is coming at 172lb and at 6% saying this,,he come over 30 lb bigger i repeat bigger NOT heavier!,,,and with bf natural can not achieve as in sub 5% 4.5-5.5%,,most naturals cant see 5% they are between 5.5 and 6% at absolut minimum,,
if he was 6'5 or 6'6 then his numbers would be more common for true natural ,,but he is as far from 6'6 as howard is far from having a brain and common sense,,
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Add ten pounds if American Black with good selective slave breeding or top Eastern European.
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dont tell some of the top sprinters, rugby players, olympic weightlifters, speed skaters, swimmers, afl footballers and other top naturals whove never even tried to bodybuild this- they'd have to lose some weight.
very common to have 5'8"-5'10" 185lb athletes at high single digit bfat bouncing around for hours on end..many of them only dabble in the weights room.
i'd put natural "limits" closer to 230lb for a 6 footer and high single digit bfat for a trainer who is dedicated to weights only. (rugby has guys at 6'-6'2" topping scales at more than 250 with bfat around 15%)...
i think that the point needs to be made that naturals are better off around the 10-13% bfat range- to hold more mass.
I would if I could find a top sprinter, Olympic weight lifter and everyone else you mentioned thats natural. And remember that Arnold in 1980 was 225lbs, 5% @ 6'1". He was top of the top in genetics and juiced. 6ft, 230, single digits natural? I don't think so.
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I would if I could find a top sprinter, Olympic weight lifter and everyone else you mentioned thats natural. And remember that Arnold in 1980 was 225lbs, 5% @ 6'1". He was top of the top in genetics and juiced. 6ft, 230, single digits natural? I don't think so.
what are you even answerting,,he is absolit out ofo his mind,,230 at single digit naturally at anythign under 6'7 is hormonized,,those fellas confuse 25 % bf with 15% and then when it comes to single digit they are out of their mind,,a true single digit 9% bodyfat that is 5'10 will look LARGE as in BIG at 220 at 9% absolit big !!! he will get closer to troy alvez in quality of size
natural guys dont even see 170lb at low singles at 5'9 or so ,,they fight very hard to be 165-170 at 6% very very very hard,,reason nortom is 30 lb heavier is hormones,,but nothing grow on him well ,,his arms maybe look decent but rest no good,,
condition is great due to drugs combined with diet,,
look how strong matt c is ,,and the fella wont step on stage anything over 155 lb,,and he is very strong,,,but! he never done the amount of drugs that charlie nortom done,,he may have experiemented some according to van b ...but he is going ot step on stage 155 and even still wont be 4% he will fight very hard to be 6% 155lb naturally
finally there is HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL ,,CLEAN ,,AND HOMONIZED,,CLEAN DOES NOT MEAN NATURAL MY FRIENDS,,IT MEANS A LITTLE BREAK ,,OR GIRL PROBLEMS,,OR HEALTH PROBLEMS OR SOME OTHER KINDA PRBLEMS USUALLY INVOLVE YOUR INABIKLITY TO GET THE DRUGS YOU NEED
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what are you even answerting,,he is absolit out ofo his mind,,230 at single digit naturally at anythign under 6'7 is hormonized,,those fellas confuse 25 % bf with 15% and then when it comes to single digit they are out of their mind,,a true single digit 9% bodyfat that is 5'10 will look LARGE as in BIG at 220 at 9% absolit big !!! he will get closer to troy alvez in quality of size
natural guys dont even see 170lb at low singles at 5'9 or so ,,they fight very hard to be 165-170 at 6% very very very hard,,reason nortom is 30 lb heavier is hormones,,but nothing grow on him well ,,his arms maybe look decent but rest no good,,
condition is great due to drugs combined with diet,,
look how strong matt c is ,,and the fella wont step on stage anything over 155 lb,,and he is very strong,,,but! he never done the amount of drugs that charlie nortom done,,he may have experiemented some according to van b ...but he is going ot step on stage 155 and even still wont be 4% he will fight very hard to be 6% 155lb naturally
finally there is HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL ,,CLEAN ,,AND HOMONIZED,,CLEAN DOES NOT MEAN NATURAL MY FRIENDS,,IT MEANS A LITTLE BREAK ,,OR GIRL PROBLEMS,,OR HEALTH PROBLEMS OR SOME OTHER KINDA PRBLEMS USUALLY INVOLVE YOUR INABIKLITY TO GET THE DRUGS YOU NEED
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Are you saying that Layne uses?
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Are you saying that Layne uses?
Clueless post reported. ;D
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does this mean that he gets his pro card?
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what are you even answerting,,he is absolit out ofo his mind,,230 at single digit naturally at anythign under 6'7 is hormonized,,those fellas confuse 25 % bf with 15% and then when it comes to single digit they are out of their mind,,a true single digit 9% bodyfat that is 5'10 will look LARGE as in BIG at 220 at 9% absolit big !!! he will get closer to troy alvez in quality of size
natural guys dont even see 170lb at low singles at 5'9 or so ,,they fight very hard to be 165-170 at 6% very very very hard,,reason nortom is 30 lb heavier is hormones,,but nothing grow on him well ,,his arms maybe look decent but rest no good,,
condition is great due to drugs combined with diet,,
look how strong matt c is ,,and the fella wont step on stage anything over 155 lb,,and he is very strong,,,but! he never done the amount of drugs that charlie nortom done,,he may have experiemented some according to van b ...but he is going ot step on stage 155 and even still wont be 4% he will fight very hard to be 6% 155lb naturally
finally there is HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL ,,CLEAN ,,AND HOMONIZED,,CLEAN DOES NOT MEAN NATURAL MY FRIENDS,,IT MEANS A LITTLE BREAK ,,OR GIRL PROBLEMS,,OR HEALTH PROBLEMS OR SOME OTHER KINDA PRBLEMS USUALLY INVOLVE YOUR INABIKLITY TO GET THE DRUGS YOU NEED
gh15 approved
Yes, with your G4P...you definitely are "homonized".
GHG4P Approved
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Are you saying that Layne uses?
he already did ad nauseam why even discuss the layne the liar who profits all the bullshit he spews?
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what are you even answerting,,he is absolit out ofo his mind,,230 at single digit naturally at anythign under 6'7 is hormonized,,those fellas confuse 25 % bf with 15% and then when it comes to single digit they are out of their mind,,a true single digit 9% bodyfat that is 5'10 will look LARGE as in BIG at 220 at 9% absolit big !!! he will get closer to troy alvez in quality of size
natural guys dont even see 170lb at low singles at 5'9 or so ,,they fight very hard to be 165-170 at 6% very very very hard,,reason nortom is 30 lb heavier is hormones,,but nothing grow on him well ,,his arms maybe look decent but rest no good,,
condition is great due to drugs combined with diet,,
look how strong matt c is ,,and the fella wont step on stage anything over 155 lb,,and he is very strong,,,but! he never done the amount of drugs that charlie nortom done,,he may have experiemented some according to van b ...but he is going ot step on stage 155 and even still wont be 4% he will fight very hard to be 6% 155lb naturally
finally there is HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL ,,CLEAN ,,AND HOMONIZED,,CLEAN DOES NOT MEAN NATURAL MY FRIENDS,,IT MEANS A LITTLE BREAK ,,OR GIRL PROBLEMS,,OR HEALTH PROBLEMS OR SOME OTHER KINDA PRBLEMS USUALLY INVOLVE YOUR INABIKLITY TO GET THE DRUGS YOU NEED
gh15 approved
How you can pull these limits on natural mass out your ass and act like they are form a journal study is beyond me.
You are making this stiff up , talking out your ass. You have no study or journal ref to document anything. ANY scientist would never make such absurd claims just by saying it is so because they said so. I call 100% bullshit on you GH15.
Unless you can privide some actual scientific evidence and study to back up your natural limits claim....SHUT UP and go read!
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How you can pull these limits on natural mass out your ass and act like they are form a journal study is beyond me.
You are making this stiff up , talking out your ass. You have no study or journal ref to document anything. ANY scientist would never make such absurd claims just by saying it is so because they said so. I call 100% bullshit on you GH15.
Unless you can privide some actual scientific evidence and study to back up your natural limits claim....SHUT UP and go read!
the limits i put on natural are after years upon years of working with many of them ,,and especially after being on both sides as a begginer,,and later amatuer top amatuer and professional,,book information means nothing,,what matters is hands on and i can tell you that all of those so call naturals knock on the door day in day out for poducts,,they keep payign good good money for products,,they buy so much that i would go here and say trhat that the money from hormones today surpass the money the supp companies do on protien powders,,you have no clue to the number of daily order coming to usa on a daily basis,,sometimes it goes to a whole police department fellas,,what america became now days is a shadow of its former self,,you have the law enforcment do more hormones than the actual athlete,,and all in all everyone use something knowingly,,
the number i gave for naturals arr simply what the human body is capable of holding AT THAT SPECIFIC BODY FAT,,TRY TO GET DOWN TO 5% AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND TOO WHAT GH15 MEANS,,you will look like a twink i fdone with out drugs ,,and even with drugss you wont look as good as arvilla from this board,,and he is ijust average responder,,what im saying is that i doubt that even with drugs you howard will be able to get down to 5 % ,,
the human body is very stuborn ,,it will not just do magics naturally no matter what age you are,,one day you are 191 after using some hdrol lol then 14 days later you are down to 176 because you have no clue to what bodybuilding really is,,which is drug infested cult
NO DRUGS = NO BODYBUILDER ,,AND IM TALKIN BIG BIG CONSTANT USE OF DRUGS,,NOT SOME 500MG TEST,,WE WORK ON ALL ASPECTS OF DRUGS TEST IS JUST THE FINISHING TOUCH....
you have here if not mistaken a fuckin cop on this board bench mister or somethign,,that mofo is on more drugs than me and im a pro,,what im tellin you in other words is AMERICANOS ARE LIARS ,,CHEATERS,,THEY WILL DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO BE ADVANCED,,IT AINT NO GRANPA GENERATION HAWIE,,WAKE UP ,,DONT BE GOOLIBLE,,SO WHAT IF YOU JUDGE NPC SHOW,,IT MEANS NOTHING,,ALL OF THOSE GUYS BEG ME DAY IN DAY OUT,,THE FEMALES TOO SAME THING THEY ALSO OFFER BLWO JOBS FOR FREE AND YOUR HAIR WOULD FALL IF I TOLD YOU WHAT THOEE WHORE DO FOR HORMONES FREE OF CHARGE
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