Layne Norton - Prejudging at IFPA PRO INTERNATIONAL

[Howard]

READ IT FUCKERS!!


THIS IS WHY GH15 WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE HORMONE GOD.......


lot of guys can tell you about how much gear to take, and what someone is on...........you read a couple of anabolics desk reference guides and hang around the gym, info like this becomes second nature



but this kind of post is what makes GH15 special...........he knows the limits of human genetic potential, he knows what bodies are enhanced, which are not, how much someone enhanced/not enhanced will weight...........


these numbers are not up for debate, couple of black guys or total freaks around that can carry 10 or 12 lbs more then a guy with average genetics........but these people are VERY rare ............like .001 percent of the population rare

and even with these freaks........thats 10 or 12 lbs........NOT 30lbs...........5'9 @ 210 @ < 7%  is impossible......muscle is metabolically taxing, and human bodies are set up by anthropology to conserve as much metabolic resources as possible.


long live HORMONE GOD 15..........

Hmmm, the Journal of Applied Physiology must have left his comprehensive study off this month? I also didn't see any reference for Dr GH15 on any medical or scientific research site?
I am impressed he was able to do a world wide study on every human to determine the absolute limits on natural muscle growth in humans. I am "sure" I overlooked his references for his journal abstract and study protocols hehehe.
Of course only a true GOD could do such a thing.
Keep listening to this quack and good luck to all that do hehehehe...In the world of science this guy would be a joke...if he existed in real life that is.
ANYONE who thinks this GH15 is legit is clueless about how real research and conclsusions are done.

[Howard]

all the fellas you se in yoru fat americano gyms walking around at 184lb looking toned,,they are no where near 6% ,,they are at high singles sometimes low doubles,,usually around 8-12,,big diff between 8 percent and 12 percent ,,,there is big diff between even 8 and 10 to the naked eye not much but in PICTURES big diff!!

so when you see a fella natural that been to some hdrol lolwhich ofcourse is drug but lets call him natural ,,walking around at his 185lb and have some muscle ,,,always look at his bodyfat% ,,,it is not 6% it is usually 10-12% now THATS POSSIBLE NATURALLY

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In fairness you are free to make observations  on what you see and post these ideas on the forum. BUT, to act like your thoughts are scientific facts for all humans, is just retarded.
C'mon, any nutjob can make up any thoery and if it sounds good, some will buy into it.

[jtsunami]

i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 65 truly naturally,,

i applogize

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gh15, God of Hormones can you explain you said Skip went into retirement quietly, did he get busted ?

[disco_stu]

dont tell some of the top sprinters, rugby players, olympic weightlifters, speed skaters, swimmers, afl footballers and other top naturals whove never even tried to bodybuild this- they'd have to lose some weight.

very common to have 5'8"-5'10" 185lb athletes at high single digit bfat bouncing around for hours on end..many of them only dabble in the weights room.

i'd put natural "limits" closer to 230lb for a 6 footer and high single digit bfat for a trainer who is dedicated to weights only. (rugby has guys at 6'-6'2" topping scales at more than 250 with bfat around 15%)...

i think that the point needs to be made that naturals are better off around the 10-13% bfat range- to hold more mass.

[Matt C]

very common to have 5'8"-5'10" 185lb athletes at high single digit bfat bouncing around for hours on end..many of them only dabble in the weights room.

Very common?

[pellius]

5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,

5-6% true bodyfat! ,,many can be natural at 175lb at 7-8%,,

the numbers i give are bible,,they are not up for debate,,everything already taken into consideration,,bone mass, tendoin,,strength ,,anything you can imagine,, TRUE NATURAL TALKING!

the numbers the adonis fella present on this board are the absolut max for true naturals,, absolut max and even he push it ,,since he present it at 167 if not mistaken

every inch = 7 lb this is the rule i have stated before,,not 4 and not 9 7 lb per inch for male ,,5-6 lb per inch for female

what i write if i chose to write is absolut laws,,there is not if and buts and what if and what nothing

so a fella like layne nortom is not lieing by a little ,,,you know not like he is coming at 172lb and at 6% saying this,,he come over 30 lb bigger i repeat bigger NOT heavier!,,,and with bf natural can not achieve as in sub 5% 4.5-5.5%,,most naturals cant see 5% they are between 5.5 and 6% at absolut minimum,,



if he was 6'5 or 6'6  then his numbers would be more common for true natural ,,but he is as far from 6'6 as howard is far from having a brain and common sense,,

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Add ten pounds if American Black with good selective slave breeding or top Eastern European.

[pellius]

dont tell some of the top sprinters, rugby players, olympic weightlifters, speed skaters, swimmers, afl footballers and other top naturals whove never even tried to bodybuild this- they'd have to lose some weight.

very common to have 5'8"-5'10" 185lb athletes at high single digit bfat bouncing around for hours on end..many of them only dabble in the weights room.

i'd put natural "limits" closer to 230lb for a 6 footer and high single digit bfat for a trainer who is dedicated to weights only. (rugby has guys at 6'-6'2" topping scales at more than 250 with bfat around 15%)...

i think that the point needs to be made that naturals are better off around the 10-13% bfat range- to hold more mass.

I would if I could find a top sprinter, Olympic weight lifter and everyone else you mentioned thats natural. And remember that Arnold in 1980 was 225lbs, 5% @ 6'1". He was top of the top in genetics and juiced. 6ft, 230, single digits natural? I don't think so.

[gh15]

I would if I could find a top sprinter, Olympic weight lifter and everyone else you mentioned thats natural. And remember that Arnold in 1980 was 225lbs, 5% @ 6'1". He was top of the top in genetics and juiced. 6ft, 230, single digits natural? I don't think so.

what are you even answerting,,he is absolit out ofo his mind,,230 at single digit naturally at anythign under 6'7 is  hormonized,,those fellas confuse 25 % bf with 15% and then when it comes to single digit they are out of their mind,,a true single digit 9% bodyfat that is 5'10 will look LARGE as in BIG at 220 at 9% absolit big !!! he will get closer to troy alvez in quality of size

natural guys dont even see 170lb at low singles at 5'9 or so ,,they fight very hard to be 165-170 at 6% very very very hard,,reason nortom is 30 lb heavier is hormones,,but nothing grow on  him well ,,his arms maybe look decent but rest no good,,
condition is great due to drugs combined with diet,,

look how strong matt c is ,,and the fella wont step on stage anything over 155 lb,,and he is very strong,,,but! he never done the amount of drugs that charlie nortom done,,he may have experiemented some according to van b ...but he is going ot step on stage 155 and even still wont be 4% he will fight very hard to be 6% 155lb naturally


finally there is  HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL ,,CLEAN ,,AND HOMONIZED,,CLEAN DOES NOT MEAN NATURAL MY FRIENDS,,IT MEANS A LITTLE BREAK ,,OR GIRL PROBLEMS,,OR HEALTH PROBLEMS OR SOME OTHER KINDA PRBLEMS USUALLY INVOLVE YOUR INABIKLITY TO GET THE DRUGS YOU NEED



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[Matt C]

what are you even answerting,,he is absolit out ofo his mind,,230 at single digit naturally at anythign under 6'7 is  hormonized,,those fellas confuse 25 % bf with 15% and then when it comes to single digit they are out of their mind,,a true single digit 9% bodyfat that is 5'10 will look LARGE as in BIG at 220 at 9% absolit big !!! he will get closer to troy alvez in quality of size

natural guys dont even see 170lb at low singles at 5'9 or so ,,they fight very hard to be 165-170 at 6% very very very hard,,reason nortom is 30 lb heavier is hormones,,but nothing grow on  him well ,,his arms maybe look decent but rest no good,,
condition is great due to drugs combined with diet,,

look how strong matt c is ,,and the fella wont step on stage anything over 155 lb,,and he is very strong,,,but! he never done the amount of drugs that charlie nortom done,,he may have experiemented some according to van b ...but he is going ot step on stage 155 and even still wont be 4% he will fight very hard to be 6% 155lb naturally


finally there is  HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL ,,CLEAN ,,AND HOMONIZED,,CLEAN DOES NOT MEAN NATURAL MY FRIENDS,,IT MEANS A LITTLE BREAK ,,OR GIRL PROBLEMS,,OR HEALTH PROBLEMS OR SOME OTHER KINDA PRBLEMS USUALLY INVOLVE YOUR INABIKLITY TO GET THE DRUGS YOU NEED



gh15 approved

Are you saying that Layne uses?

[pellius]

Are you saying that Layne uses?

Clueless post reported. 

[Red Hook]

does this mean that he gets his pro card?

[Krankenstein]

what are you even answerting,,he is absolit out ofo his mind,,230 at single digit naturally at anythign under 6'7 is  hormonized,,those fellas confuse 25 % bf with 15% and then when it comes to single digit they are out of their mind,,a true single digit 9% bodyfat that is 5'10 will look LARGE as in BIG at 220 at 9% absolit big !!! he will get closer to troy alvez in quality of size

natural guys dont even see 170lb at low singles at 5'9 or so ,,they fight very hard to be 165-170 at 6% very very very hard,,reason nortom is 30 lb heavier is hormones,,but nothing grow on  him well ,,his arms maybe look decent but rest no good,,
condition is great due to drugs combined with diet,,

look how strong matt c is ,,and the fella wont step on stage anything over 155 lb,,and he is very strong,,,but! he never done the amount of drugs that charlie nortom done,,he may have experiemented some according to van b ...but he is going ot step on stage 155 and even still wont be 4% he will fight very hard to be 6% 155lb naturally


finally there is  HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL ,,CLEAN ,,AND HOMONIZED,,CLEAN DOES NOT MEAN NATURAL MY FRIENDS,,IT MEANS A LITTLE BREAK ,,OR GIRL PROBLEMS,,OR HEALTH PROBLEMS OR SOME OTHER KINDA PRBLEMS USUALLY INVOLVE YOUR INABIKLITY TO GET THE DRUGS YOU NEED



gh15 approved

Yes, with your G4P...you definitely are "homonized".

GHG4P Approved

[jtsunami]

Are you saying that Layne uses?

he already did ad nauseam why even discuss the layne the liar who profits all the bullshit he spews?

[Howard]

what are you even answerting,,he is absolit out ofo his mind,,230 at single digit naturally at anythign under 6'7 is  hormonized,,those fellas confuse 25 % bf with 15% and then when it comes to single digit they are out of their mind,,a true single digit 9% bodyfat that is 5'10 will look LARGE as in BIG at 220 at 9% absolit big !!! he will get closer to troy alvez in quality of size

natural guys dont even see 170lb at low singles at 5'9 or so ,,they fight very hard to be 165-170 at 6% very very very hard,,reason nortom is 30 lb heavier is hormones,,but nothing grow on  him well ,,his arms maybe look decent but rest no good,,
condition is great due to drugs combined with diet,,

look how strong matt c is ,,and the fella wont step on stage anything over 155 lb,,and he is very strong,,,but! he never done the amount of drugs that charlie nortom done,,he may have experiemented some according to van b ...but he is going ot step on stage 155 and even still wont be 4% he will fight very hard to be 6% 155lb naturally


finally there is  HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL ,,CLEAN ,,AND HOMONIZED,,CLEAN DOES NOT MEAN NATURAL MY FRIENDS,,IT MEANS A LITTLE BREAK ,,OR GIRL PROBLEMS,,OR HEALTH PROBLEMS OR SOME OTHER KINDA PRBLEMS USUALLY INVOLVE YOUR INABIKLITY TO GET THE DRUGS YOU NEED



gh15 approved

How you can pull these limits on natural mass out your ass and act like they are form a journal study is beyond me.
You are making this stiff up , talking out your ass. You have no study or journal ref to document anything. ANY scientist would never make such absurd claims just by saying it is so because they said so. I call 100% bullshit on you GH15.
Unless you can privide some actual scientific evidence and study to back up your natural limits claim....SHUT UP and go read!

[gh15]

How you can pull these limits on natural mass out your ass and act like they are form a journal study is beyond me.
You are making this stiff up , talking out your ass. You have no study or journal ref to document anything. ANY scientist would never make such absurd claims just by saying it is so because they said so. I call 100% bullshit on you GH15.
Unless you can privide some actual scientific evidence and study to back up your natural limits claim....SHUT UP and go read!

the limits i put on natural are after years upon years of working with many of them ,,and especially after being on both sides as a begginer,,and later amatuer top amatuer and professional,,book information means nothing,,what matters is hands on and i can tell you that all of those so call naturals knock on the door  day in day out for poducts,,they keep payign good good money for products,,they buy so much that i would go here and say trhat that the money from hormones today surpass the money the supp companies do on protien powders,,you have no clue to the number of daily order coming to usa on a daily basis,,sometimes it goes to a whole police department fellas,,what america became now days is a shadow of its former self,,you have the law enforcment do more hormones than the actual athlete,,and all in all everyone use something knowingly,,


the number i gave for naturals arr simply what the human body is capable of holding AT THAT SPECIFIC BODY FAT,,TRY TO GET DOWN TO 5% AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND TOO WHAT GH15 MEANS,,you will look like a twink i fdone with out drugs ,,and even with drugss you wont look as good as arvilla from this board,,and he is ijust average responder,,what im saying is that i doubt that even with drugs you howard will be able to get down to 5 % ,,

the human body is very stuborn ,,it will not just do magics naturally no matter what age you are,,one day you are 191 after using some hdrol lol then 14 days later you are down to 176 because you have no clue to what bodybuilding really is,,which is drug infested cult

NO DRUGS = NO BODYBUILDER ,,AND IM TALKIN BIG BIG CONSTANT USE OF DRUGS,,NOT SOME 500MG TEST,,WE WORK ON ALL ASPECTS OF DRUGS TEST IS JUST THE FINISHING TOUCH....

you have here if not mistaken a fuckin cop on this board bench mister or somethign,,that mofo is on more drugs than me and im a pro,,what im tellin you in other words is AMERICANOS ARE LIARS ,,CHEATERS,,THEY WILL DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO BE ADVANCED,,IT AINT NO GRANPA GENERATION HAWIE,,WAKE UP ,,DONT BE GOOLIBLE,,SO WHAT IF YOU JUDGE NPC SHOW,,IT MEANS NOTHING,,ALL OF THOSE GUYS BEG ME DAY IN DAY OUT,,THE FEMALES TOO SAME THING THEY ALSO OFFER BLWO JOBS FOR FREE AND YOUR HAIR WOULD FALL IF I TOLD YOU WHAT THOEE WHORE DO  FOR HORMONES FREE OF CHARGE

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