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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wiggs on September 26, 2010, 12:17:11 PM
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Will be back better than ever....BUT the gap has clearly closed between these two.
It's gonna be alot harder for Phil to beat kai when he's not Mr. O than when he is.
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Seems like that "gap" reversed itself to me.....
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Will be back better than ever....BUT the gap has clearly closed between these two.
Alright long as you realize kai looked like shit. He was built like a gorilla and not in a good way.
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Seems like that "gap" reversed itself to me.....
One bad showing....
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Alright long as you realize kai looked like shit. He was built like a gorilla and not in a good way.
Fuck yes....I'd rather look like Phil any day of the week now...The Phil we saw yesterday that is....He was fucking incredible yesterday
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His conditioning has gotten worse and worse the past couple of years, that's really the only issue he has is getting himself dialed in. Looks like he's going to have to pull a Dennis Wolf and make a comeback.
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Fuck yes....I'd rather look like Phil any day of the week now...The Phil we saw yesterday that is....He was fucking incredible yesterday
For sure, but this is about selling muscletech.
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Fuck yes....I'd rather look like Phil any day of the week now...The Phil we saw yesterday that is....He was fucking incredible yesterday
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straight up traitor and bandwagon jumper named "toby" looking for the fitness competitor named "kizzy".
kai brought into the ronnie coleman game. it's obivous no one under 6' can carry ronnie's mass...not even wide a$$ jay. that's why he is back in the 250s.
i see kai dropping 10 lbs for the arnold, coming tight and possibly downing phil again. kai looked good saturday but chick messed that up for anyone trying to make a 2nd night move. can anyone say "FREE tickets" since saturday doesnt matter anymore? did you pay for the finals?
i'm not a kai fan but he'll be back. that kind of stuff happens.
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I don't think Kai will ever beat Phil Heath again. Through the misuse of G.H. and insulin, he has altered his physique beyond the aesthetics he showed a few years ago. His attempt to attain ungodly mass has rendered his abdominal region into a distended mess. I don't see him getting any better....Phil Heath, as long as he doesn't go down the same route as Kai will dominate the sport in the near future.
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Fuck yes....I'd rather look like Phil any day of the week now...The Phil we saw yesterday that is....He was fucking incredible yesterday
He wasn't that incredible. Flex, Shawn, Corimier and Levrone were all better and came in better shape in their day. Phil is a class B pro in a class B era.
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Oh, plus Kai's rear delts had that smooth lumpy look of synthol...he's gone too far. Flex Wheeler had the same looking synthol delts in his later competitive days..ruined his whole body.
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He wasn't that incredible. Flex, Shawn, Corimier and Levrone were all better and came in better shape in their day. Phil is a class B pro in a class B era.
Utter bullshit...Flex couldn't match his conditioning, neither could Cormier and Shawn would get dwarfed....That;s a lie and this is not a class B era.
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Utter bullshit...Flex couldn't match his conditioning, neither could Cormier and Shawn would get dwarfed....That;s a lie and this is not a class B era.
agreed. Only person in that group that might be able to hang with Phil would be Kevin. Heath yesterday was incredible. IMO Cutler should have lost to Martinez a few years ago and Heath yesterday, bigger is not always better.
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2 out of top 3 and 4 out of top 6 are?
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2 out of top 3 and 4 out of top 6 are?
at least they recognized Kai was off, but Martinez should have been 4th. IMO:
1.Heath
2.Dexter
3.Cutler
4.Martinez
5.Warren
6.Wolf
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to me closing or passing dex was more challenging for heath then say kai.
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Kai went all in on this one and it didn't work, it happens. If he goes back to what he was doing at the Arnold he will be back ! Obviously he's never tried to be so heavy so it was an experiment. Except for this showing he's been consistent. He won the last 4 of 6 shows he's entered.
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Utter bullshit...Flex couldn't match his conditioning, neither could Cormier and Shawn would get dwarfed....That;s a lie and this is not a class B era.
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Kill the weed...wiggs. top end...jay finishes 4th to ronnie, yates and haney...no matter the era...if all at their best and on the drugs for that time frame.
as far as other guys...i think this phil would beat shawn and chris but a top end kevin and flex. that's reaching
shawn beat dex during their day
branch ::)
vic couldnt get in shape against those guys and they all have equal or better structure than him.
wolfe ::) = poor man's gunther
kai - ???
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Kai has some amazing bodyparts but looks boxy and his physique doesn't flow as well as some of the other guys. He obviously is trying to carry too much weight for his frame and being too heavy (or too much drugs) has made his aesthetics significantly worse.
He should not beat Phil if Phil is on.
Martinez looked really good in the finals, I would have had him 4th based on Saturday.
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Will be back better than ever....BUT the gap has clearly closed between these two.
It's gonna be alot harder for Phil to beat kai when he's not Mr. O than when he is.
i think you would be wise to stop making proclamations and predictions
and just let things unfold as they will
maybe he will win the nest 4 olympias, maybe he will fuck a grapefruit until he loses his mind...........no predictions are safe with an erratic and bizarre individual like kai
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Kai is on the way down.....mark my words. He had his window and now it's closed.
you make me sick Wiggs the way you slurp up to this complete flaming homo :D
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i think you would be wise to stop making proclamations and predictions
and just let things unfold as they will
maybe he will win the nest 4 olympias, maybe he will fuck a grapefruit until he loses his mind...........no predictions are safe with an erratic and bizarre individual like kai
It;s the first time I'm wrong....Obviously no one would have ever thought this would happen. Kai will be back better than ever...I'm sure he knows he was much too heavy and should scale it back 10lbs....He might wanna rethink Oscar as his prep guy BUT no else is going to cater to Kai the way he does.
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It;s the first time I'm wrong....Obviously no one would have ever thought this would happen. Kai will be back better than ever...I'm sure he knows he was much too heavy and should scale it back 10lbs....He might wanna rethink Oscar as his prep guy BUT no else is going to cater to Kai the way he does.
if kai is willing to pay for the 1000$ hotel room...i'm sure rambod would cater to him.
Team Brandy Leaver!
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Kill the weed...wiggs. top end...jay finishes 4th to ronnie, yates and haney...no matter the era...if all at their best and on the drugs for that time frame.
as far as other guys...i think this phil would beat shawn and chris but a top end kevin and flex. that's reaching
shawn beat dex during their day
branch ::)
vic couldnt get in shape against those guys and they all have equal or better structure than him.
wolfe ::) = poor man's gunther
kai - ???
Phil would crush Flex from the back. Hams and glutes would kill Flex.
Dex and Shawn would be relatively even.
Martinez has the best shape out of all. He just cant dial it in, although he looked awesome at the night show and looked 2nd best after Phil during the night. Martinez>Cormier
Of course Ronnie would own Cutler or anyone else from any era but give Heath a few more years he may challenge Ronnies form. Heath's physique this year was better than any Mr. O since Ronnies prime IMO.
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It;s the first time I'm wrong....Obviously no one would have ever thought this would happen. Kai will be back better than ever...I'm sure he knows he was much too heavy and should scale it back 10lbs....He might wanna rethink Oscar as his prep guy BUT no else is going to cater to Kai the way he does.
you were predicting olympia domination for kai in 2009 as well
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Put your pipe down dope head and go beat off to some more pics of your fave negro man in a thong
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Wow, people are underestimating Cormier! In his prime he would wipe the floor with Phil, Martinez, and should have with Cutler at one of the Arnold classics.
Guy pretty much had no flaws, balanced physique, definitely mass with class. Only problem he had was dailing it in, but overall, one of the BEST structures. 5'10 and competed around 240-250's.
Cormier > Martinez, Cutler, Phil
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plus heath is a good looking hybrid negro while kai looks straight out of the zoo
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Phil would crush Flex from the back. Hams and glutes would kill Flex.
Dex and Shawn would be relatively even.
Martinez has the best shape out of all. He just cant dial it in, although he looked awesome at the night show and looked 2nd best after Phil during the night. Martinez>Cormier
Of course Ronnie would own Cutler or anyone else from any era but give Heath a few more years he may challenge Ronnies form. Heath's physique this year was better than any Mr. O since Ronnies prime IMO.
I think you need to take a look at some 1993 Arnold and 1993 Mr. O pics of Flex...Flex's back is diced, his X-mas tree is sliced to ribbons and beats Phil, oh and he had no gut what so ever...Phil is great, but he ain't in Flex's, Kev's, Cormier's league, I even have Charles Chairmonte and possibly Dawodu ahead of Phil.
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Phil is better than Levrone, Ray, Wheeler and Cormier...
He has the least amount of weaknesses and would wipe the floor with everyone but Dorian.
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I think you need to take a look at some 1993 Arnold and 1993 Mr. O pics of Flex...Flex's back is diced, his X-mas tree is sliced to ribbons and beats Phil, oh and he had no gut what so ever...Phil is great, but he ain't in Flex's, Kev's, Cormier's league, I even have Charles Chairmonte and possibly Dawodu ahead of Phil.
Wheeler had smaller legs in 93, nowhere near Heaths. Even in 93 Wheelers glutes/hams were nowhere near Heaths. Heath would crush him from the side and would overwhelm him with his conditioned mass.
Cormier was great but never truly dialed it in and was never completely shredded. Cormier was kindof like Ronny Rockel in the fact that he had every body part but nothing stood out, except he had a better back than Ronny Rockel of course. Cormier was the weakest of the Wheeler, Ray, El Sonbanty,Levrone group.
I still contend Martinez has the best structure of any.
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Wheeler had smaller legs in 93, nowhere near Heaths. Even in 93 Wheelers glutes/hams were nowhere near Heaths. Heath would crush him from the side and would overwhelm him with his conditioned mass.
Cormier was great but never truly dialed it in and was never completely shredded. Cormier was kindof like Ronny Rockel in the fact that he had every body part but nothing stood out, except he had a better back than Ronny Rockel of course. Cormier was the weakest of the Wheeler, Ray, El Sonbanty,Levrone group.
I still contend Martinez has the best structure of any.
Wrong.
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Will be back better than ever....BUT the gap has clearly closed between these two.
It's gonna be alot harder for Phil to beat kai when he's not Mr. O than when he is.
I don't understand your nuthugging of Kai. Did you guys gangbang a watermelon together or sumthin? (no racist....the only other carvable fruit I could think of was a cantelope and noone wants to eat it let alone fuck it with their freind)
Seriously, what chance he had to win the O has died with gaining too fast from heavy drug use and yes, the schmoe porn will hold him back too. TBH, I'm schocked that they let him win any show at all especially the A.C. Also, from what little info I am privy to, he is a lock to end up with kidney failure or altogether dead from diuretic use
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Wheeler had smaller legs in 93, nowhere near Heaths. Even in 93 Wheelers glutes/hams were nowhere near Heaths. Heath would crush him from the side and would overwhelm him with his conditioned mass.
Cormier was great but never truly dialed it in and was never completely shredded. Cormier was kindof like Ronny Rockel in the fact that he had every body part but nothing stood out, except he had a better back than Ronny Rockel of course. Cormier was the weakest of the Wheeler, Ray, El Sonbanty,Levrone group.
I still contend Martinez has the best structure of any.
What Parker forgets is that a 218lbs Wheeler vs a 240lbs Heath....Heath wins because he also has the illusion of being alot bigger. Yesterday Heath would beat a 1993 and 98 Wheeler.
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Wrong.
excellent point
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Wheeler had smaller legs in 93, nowhere near Heaths. Even in 93 Wheelers glutes/hams were nowhere near Heaths. Heath would crush him from the side and would overwhelm him with his conditioned mass.
Cormier was great but never truly dialed it in and was never completely shredded. Cormier was kindof like Ronny Rockel in the fact that he had every body part but nothing stood out, except he had a better back than Ronny Rockel of course. Cormier was the weakest of the Wheeler, Ray, El Sonbanty,Levrone group.
I still contend Martinez has the best structure of any.
Show me where Martinez has a better stucture than Cormier.
(http://www.born2bbig.com/viewpic.php?im=images/profilepics/1148791916.jpg)
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Will be back better than ever....BUT the gap has clearly closed between these two.
It's gonna be alot harder for Phil to beat kai when he's not Mr. O than when he is.
Phil > Kai
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Phil is better than Levrone, Ray, Wheeler and Cormier...
He has the least amount of weaknesses and would wipe the floor with everyone but Dorian.
Damn, you are smoking some awesome shit today Wiggs. Phil will become better as long as he doesn't kill his physique with trying to gain too fast. Right now though the only one of those guys that he's better than is Shawn. Everyone thinks the O is soooo competitive right now......it is, but it's bcuz there are no true future greats except Phil.
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Phil > Kai
After yesterday.....Yes :'(
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kai messes up and eats 8lbs of food in one sitting to close to show time...and now...narrow clavicle phil is a demigod who will be everything ronnie could never be as the greatest ever
dont b###h if kai lays waste to him at the arnold again.
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Show me where Martinez has a better stucture than Cormier.
(http://www.born2bbig.com/viewpic.php?im=images/profilepics/1148791916.jpg)
We've both probably seen all the pics of Cormier and Martinez, so posting pics to change your viewpoint probably wouldnt work. Cormier got screwed out of an Arnold Classic or two but Martinez got the worst screwjob EVER, at the Olympia a few years ago.
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Utter bullshit...Flex couldn't match his conditioning, neither could Cormier and Shawn would get dwarfed....That;s a lie and this is not a class B era.
What are you smokin bro?
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/pro-bodybuilding/20954d1208208863-bunch-crazy-pro-flex_wheeler_021.jpg)
(http://www.ambal.ru/52412437721.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86462.jpg)
Phil's lines and detail are no where near what Flex's were. Phil has 4 abs and quads have zero striations
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What are you smokin bro?
(http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/pro-bodybuilding/20954d1208208863-bunch-crazy-pro-flex_wheeler_021.jpg)
(http://www.ambal.ru/52412437721.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86358.jpg)
Phil's line and detail are no where near what Flex's were
You're posting a mediocre shot of phil. Highlights of flex....
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What Parker forgets is that a 218lbs Wheeler vs a 240lbs Heath....Heath wins because he also has the illusion of being alot bigger. Yesterday Heath would beat a 1993 and 98 Wheeler.
:D :D
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You're posting a mediocre shot of phil. Highlights of flex....
I changed the pic. Phil doesn't change when he poses since his muscle doesn't "pop"
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(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:c--0zD39vl1FgM:http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6853/shawnrayflexwheeler.jpg&t=1)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86417.jpg)
Phil has a fat back compared to Flex or Shawn
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don't get fooled by old low resolution pics
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Wiggs is El Presidente of Team Kai-kock.
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Jay, Wolf, and Branch have all come back from multiple poor showings
Kai will be fine
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im not a kai fan but everyone always overreacts when one of these guys messes up the peak...n thats what it is,, they r just missin that 2% at the end...
kai has the freakyness that can win and can get hard n ripped n dry enough...he just has to come in in the 260 ish range and will still be able to beat everyone but jay.
wheeler n ray r in their all time best shapes in that pic and phil is 25 lbs more than flex n 50lbs more than shawn... and phil has years b4 hittin his true top level stage body..
in short bodybuilders will on average get better and better and bigger and biggger as time goes on, just as the human race is evolving and gettin biger and bigger.
with exceptions like coleman, but jay is not very close to ronnies best in 2003, but still sumone will eventually be better than him...and sumone will be better than him and so on...the advances in drugs, gene manipulation and so on n so on make this old argument moot anymore,,plain old fashion eveolution of the species is why they will be better and better.
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