Author Topic: All I'm sayin' is Heath should have won when he had the chance cause Kai..... (Read 8711 times)

BIG_STI · « **Reply #25 on:** September 26, 2010, 02:58:43 PM »

Put your pipe down dope head and go beat off to some more pics of your fave negro man in a thong

KevinP85 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:00:53 PM »

Wow, people are underestimating Cormier! In his prime he would wipe the floor with Phil, Martinez, and should have with Cutler at one of the Arnold classics.

Guy pretty much had no flaws, balanced physique, definitely mass with class. Only problem he had was dailing it in, but overall, one of the BEST structures. 5'10 and competed around 240-250's.

Cormier > Martinez, Cutler, Phil

ironneck · « **Reply #27 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:06:54 PM »

plus heath is a good looking hybrid negro while kai looks straight out of the zoo

Parker · « **Reply #28 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:13:45 PM »

Quote from: Neptune100 on September 26, 2010, 02:30:32 PM

Phil would crush Flex from the back. Hams and glutes would kill Flex.

Dex and Shawn would be relatively even.

Martinez has the best shape out of all. He just cant dial it in, although he looked awesome at the night show and looked 2nd best after Phil during the night. Martinez>Cormier

Of course Ronnie would own Cutler or anyone else from any era but give Heath a few more years he may challenge Ronnies form. Heath's physique this year was better than any Mr. O since Ronnies prime IMO.

I think you need to take a look at some 1993 Arnold and 1993 Mr. O pics of Flex...Flex's back is diced, his X-mas tree is sliced to ribbons and beats Phil, oh and he had no gut what so ever...Phil is great, but he ain't in Flex's, Kev's, Cormier's league, I even have Charles Chairmonte and possibly Dawodu ahead of Phil.

Wiggs · « **Reply #29 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:18:07 PM »

Phil is better than Levrone, Ray, Wheeler and Cormier...

He has the least amount of weaknesses and would wipe the floor with everyone but Dorian.

Neptune100 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:30:07 PM »

Quote from: Parker on September 26, 2010, 03:13:45 PM

I think you need to take a look at some 1993 Arnold and 1993 Mr. O pics of Flex...Flex's back is diced, his X-mas tree is sliced to ribbons and beats Phil, oh and he had no gut what so ever...Phil is great, but he ain't in Flex's, Kev's, Cormier's league, I even have Charles Chairmonte and possibly Dawodu ahead of Phil.

Wheeler had smaller legs in 93, nowhere near Heaths. Even in 93 Wheelers glutes/hams were nowhere near Heaths. Heath would crush him from the side and would overwhelm him with his conditioned mass.

Cormier was great but never truly dialed it in and was never completely shredded. Cormier was kindof like Ronny Rockel in the fact that he had every body part but nothing stood out, except he had a better back than Ronny Rockel of course. Cormier was the weakest of the Wheeler, Ray, El Sonbanty,Levrone group.

I still contend Martinez has the best structure of any.

Shockwave · « **Reply #31 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:30:45 PM »

Quote from: Neptune100 on September 26, 2010, 03:30:07 PM

Wheeler had smaller legs in 93, nowhere near Heaths. Even in 93 Wheelers glutes/hams were nowhere near Heaths. Heath would crush him from the side and would overwhelm him with his conditioned mass.

Cormier was great but never truly dialed it in and was never completely shredded. Cormier was kindof like Ronny Rockel in the fact that he had every body part but nothing stood out, except he had a better back than Ronny Rockel of course. Cormier was the weakest of the Wheeler, Ray, El Sonbanty,Levrone group.

I still contend Martinez has the best structure of any.

Wrong.

myt1 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:31:05 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on September 26, 2010, 12:17:11 PM

Will be back better than ever....BUT the gap has clearly closed between these two.

It's gonna be alot harder for Phil to beat kai when he's not Mr. O than when he is.

I don't understand your nuthugging of Kai. Did you guys gangbang a watermelon together or sumthin? (no racist....the only other carvable fruit I could think of was a cantelope and noone wants to eat it let alone fuck it with their freind)

Seriously, what chance he had to win the O has died with gaining too fast from heavy drug use and yes, the schmoe porn will hold him back too. TBH, I'm schocked that they let him win any show at all especially the A.C. Also, from what little info I am privy to, he is a lock to end up with kidney failure or altogether dead from diuretic use

Wiggs · « **Reply #33 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:32:47 PM »

Quote from: Neptune100 on September 26, 2010, 03:30:07 PM

Wheeler had smaller legs in 93, nowhere near Heaths. Even in 93 Wheelers glutes/hams were nowhere near Heaths. Heath would crush him from the side and would overwhelm him with his conditioned mass.

Cormier was great but never truly dialed it in and was never completely shredded. Cormier was kindof like Ronny Rockel in the fact that he had every body part but nothing stood out, except he had a better back than Ronny Rockel of course. Cormier was the weakest of the Wheeler, Ray, El Sonbanty,Levrone group.

I still contend Martinez has the best structure of any.

What Parker forgets is that a 218lbs Wheeler vs a 240lbs Heath....Heath wins because he also has the illusion of being alot bigger. Yesterday Heath would beat a 1993 and 98 Wheeler.

Neptune100 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:33:52 PM »

Quote from: Shockwave on September 26, 2010, 03:30:45 PM

Wrong.

excellent point

KevinP85 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:35:14 PM »

Quote from: Neptune100 on September 26, 2010, 03:30:07 PM

Wheeler had smaller legs in 93, nowhere near Heaths. Even in 93 Wheelers glutes/hams were nowhere near Heaths. Heath would crush him from the side and would overwhelm him with his conditioned mass.

Cormier was great but never truly dialed it in and was never completely shredded. Cormier was kindof like Ronny Rockel in the fact that he had every body part but nothing stood out, except he had a better back than Ronny Rockel of course. Cormier was the weakest of the Wheeler, Ray, El Sonbanty,Levrone group.

I still contend Martinez has the best structure of any.

Show me where Martinez has a better stucture than Cormier.

Mr.1derful · « **Reply #36 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:35:41 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on September 26, 2010, 12:17:11 PM

Will be back better than ever....BUT the gap has clearly closed between these two.

It's gonna be alot harder for Phil to beat kai when he's not Mr. O than when he is.

Phil > Kai

myt1 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:36:53 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on September 26, 2010, 03:18:07 PM

Phil is better than Levrone, Ray, Wheeler and Cormier...

He has the least amount of weaknesses and would wipe the floor with everyone but Dorian.

Damn, you are smoking some awesome shit today Wiggs. Phil will become better as long as he doesn't kill his physique with trying to gain too fast. Right now though the only one of those guys that he's better than is Shawn. Everyone thinks the O is soooo competitive right now......it is, but it's bcuz there are no true future greats except Phil.

Wiggs · « **Reply #38 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:37:17 PM »

Quote from: Mr.1derful on September 26, 2010, 03:35:41 PM

Phil > Kai

After yesterday.....Yes

G_Thang · « **Reply #39 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:41:56 PM »

kai messes up and eats 8lbs of food in one sitting to close to show time...and now...narrow clavicle phil is a demigod who will be everything ronnie could never be as the greatest ever

dont b###h if kai lays waste to him at the arnold again.

Neptune100 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 26, 2010, 03:54:29 PM »

Quote from: Ryan on September 26, 2010, 03:35:14 PM

Show me where Martinez has a better stucture than Cormier.

We've both probably seen all the pics of Cormier and Martinez, so posting pics to change your viewpoint probably wouldnt work. Cormier got screwed out of an Arnold Classic or two but Martinez got the worst screwjob EVER, at the Olympia a few years ago.

Flexb · « **Reply #41 on:** September 26, 2010, 04:22:46 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on September 26, 2010, 12:54:32 PM

Utter bullshit...Flex couldn't match his conditioning, neither could Cormier and Shawn would get dwarfed....That;s a lie and this is not a class B era.

What are you smokin bro?

Phil's lines and detail are no where near what Flex's were. Phil has 4 abs and quads have zero striations

James Blunt · « **Reply #42 on:** September 26, 2010, 04:24:55 PM »

Quote from: Flexb on September 26, 2010, 04:22:46 PM

What are you smokin bro?

Phil's line and detail are no where near what Flex's were

You're posting a mediocre shot of phil. Highlights of flex....

Flexb · « **Reply #43 on:** September 26, 2010, 04:26:53 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on September 26, 2010, 03:32:47 PM

What Parker forgets is that a 218lbs Wheeler vs a 240lbs Heath....Heath wins because he also has the illusion of being alot bigger. Yesterday Heath would beat a 1993 and 98 Wheeler.

Flexb · « **Reply #44 on:** September 26, 2010, 04:27:58 PM »

Quote from: James Blunt on September 26, 2010, 04:24:55 PM

You're posting a mediocre shot of phil. Highlights of flex....

I changed the pic. Phil doesn't change when he poses since his muscle doesn't "pop"

Flexb · « **Reply #45 on:** September 26, 2010, 04:31:26 PM »

Phil has a fat back compared to Flex or Shawn

ironneck · « **Reply #46 on:** September 26, 2010, 06:01:46 PM »

don't get fooled by old low resolution pics

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #47 on:** September 26, 2010, 06:08:08 PM »

Wiggs is El Presidente of Team Kai-kock.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #48 on:** September 26, 2010, 07:26:53 PM »

Jay, Wolf, and Branch have all come back from multiple poor showings

Kai will be fine

caseyviator · « **Reply #49 on:** September 27, 2010, 01:08:31 PM »

im not a kai fan but everyone always overreacts when one of these guys messes up the peak...n thats what it is,, they r just missin that 2% at the end...

kai has the freakyness that can win and can get hard n ripped n dry enough...he just has to come in in the 260 ish range and will still be able to beat everyone but jay.

wheeler n ray r in their all time best shapes in that pic and phil is 25 lbs more than flex n 50lbs more than shawn... and phil has years b4 hittin his true top level stage body..

in short bodybuilders will on average get better and better and bigger and biggger as time goes on, just as the human race is evolving and gettin biger and bigger.

with exceptions like coleman, but jay is not very close to ronnies best in 2003, but still sumone will eventually be better than him...and sumone will be better than him and so on...the advances in drugs, gene manipulation and so on n so on make this old argument moot anymore,,plain old fashion eveolution of the species is why they will be better and better.