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Meaning, what kind of natural basis did he have before becoming 'all drugs'? ???
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I'd say his arms are top-notch genetically speaking
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I'd say his arms are top-notch genetically speaking
And the rest is 'all drugs'?
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And the rest is 'all drugs'?
Not sure I am saying that. The other side of my above thought is that he is considered to be narrow by pro BB standards
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What is today "retarded question" day?
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What is today "retarded question" day?
exactly
this thread belongs in the "who cares?!" subforum of Getbig
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What is today "retarded question" day?
Congrats on surpassing 10,000 posts; it's an important milestone in the life of every getbigger! :)
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(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5219/vy34uf.jpg)
That's him in college. So the question should be what isn't all drugs? 98% of his physique is drugs.
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(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5219/vy34uf.jpg)
That's him in college. So the question should be what isn't all drugs? 98% of his physique is drugs.
for all phil will become he never had the core that ronnie did before the drugs.
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/photos/Begin02_LG.jpg)
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for all phil will become he never had the core that ronnie did before the drugs.
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/photos/Begin02_LG.jpg)
Ronnie is a monster!
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What age would Ronnie be there?
Those arms look a lean 17-18" If he is under 21 thats very impressive indeed.
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What age would Ronnie be there?
Those arms look a lean 17-18" If he is under 21 thats very impressive indeed.
18 or so.
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this is the stupidest question EVER
they are all "all drugs"........as far as, if they stopped doing what they do..........they would ALL shrink up dramatically and unrecognizably
and in that photo, there is a good chance ronnie was already poppin dbol already..........sorry to burst your bubble
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you fuckers... just look at phil
he's playing basketball and still very muscular...probably not even moving weights
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Do you guys think there is a major difference in drug usage between the top six and the rest of the competitors? The top six are in better financial positions which would allow them to spend more money on drugs. What do you think?
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Meaning, what kind of natural basis did he have before becoming 'all drugs'? ???
Good to see you back bro! :)
To answer your question, I wouldn't care if I was "all drugs" and had his forearms and still was able to get my dick up.
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Do you guys think there is a major difference in drug usage between the top six and the rest of the competitors? The top six are in better financial positions which would allow them to spend more money on drugs. What do you think?
I think you are an asshole who posts intentionally idiotic questions to try and get a rise out of people
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I think you are an asshole who posts intentionally idiotic questions to try and get a rise out of people
lol at the irony
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lol at the irony
LOL @ the stalking
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this is the stupidest question EVER
they are all "all drugs"........as far as, if they stopped doing what they do..........they would ALL shrink up dramatically and unrecognizably
and in that photo, there is a good chance ronnie was already poppin dbol already..........sorry to burst your bubble
You sir, are correct. The so-called genetics of these drug-sponges are not all that great. They are nothing without their dope.
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what you see in heath is the result of intra muscular insulin injections, and lots of steroids.
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what you see in heath is the result of intra muscular insulin injections, and lots of steroids.
I heard Hany is on the extreme ends of dosages...
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still he has this look to his muscles which you can get with roids
a hybrid niggah will always look better on a bb stage than an AR yan
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you fuckers... just look at phil
he's playing basketball and still very muscular...probably not even moving weights
All college basketball programs have weight training so that's far from the truth. Not to mention he weighs a solid 160lbs in that basketball photo.
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I heard Hany is on the extreme ends of dosages...
he hit a hypo in that vid, but apart from that he looks healthy unlike branch, wolf, etc
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what you see in heath is the result of intra muscular insulin injections, and lots of steroids.
you should stop talking about this stuff. you have NO clue.
seriously.
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you should stop talking about this stuff. you have NO clue.
seriously.
I was gonna say something about that but I didn't want to get in to it...lol
Slin is subcutaneous
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I was gonna say something about that but I didn't want to get in to it...lol
Slin is subcutaneous
you can IM it too.
but what he's implying is that introducing insulin directly into the muscle tissue is responsible for the hypertrophy- like something 'magic' happens when you use insulin site specifically. lol- holy fuck. ahahahahahahahahahahahah ahah
all he does is come off as a fucking know-it-all who knows nothing. he's such a tool.
i'd be very surprised if he has any real life friendships because of this.
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I think Ronnie was natural till 1997. You can't say that he is all drugs because then everybody who can use all these massive amounts of drugs would be a top six Mr Olympia. Here in Greece I know guys that they are using massive amounts too and they can't even place to the IFBB European championships.
But I totally agree that Ronnie had a much better natural base when he started using.
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I think Ronnie was natural till 1997. You can't say that he is all drugs because then everybody who can use all these massive amounts of drugs would be a top six Mr Olympia. Here in Greece I know guys that they are using massive amounts too and they can't even place to the IFBB European championships.
But I totally agree that Ronnie had a much better natural base when he started using.
Ronnie's overall genetics=better than Heath's=genetics=everything
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the 99 ronnie is one of the small versions of ronnie but is still massive compared to 2010 phil. phil cant beat jay n kai at their best when he is 100% on. there have been greats before phils narrow a$$. he will be mr o but in a generation made for him. it happens.
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the 99 ronnie is one of the small versions of ronnie but is still massive compared to 2010 phil. phil cant beat jay n kai at their best when he is 100% on. there have been greats before phils narrow a$$. he will be mr o but in a generation made for him. it happens.
The jeering and cheering show you just how gay bbing is... :-\
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I think Ronnie was natural till 1997. You can't say that he is all drugs because then everybody who can use all these massive amounts of drugs would be a top six Mr Olympia. Here in Greece I know guys that they are using massive amounts too and they can't even place to the IFBB European championships.
But I totally agree that Ronnie had a much better natural base when he started using.
natural till 1997 huh?
let me give you some advice..............go and get a bladed-object, find you mother.........and stab her repeatedly in her stomech and vagina..............so as to ensure that dumb whore cannot possibly render anymore progeny that are as deafeningly stupid as you.
then kill yourself.........i dont care how.........would prefer that its painful...........to really drive home the fact that YOUR TOO DUMB TO LIVE
fucking f@ggot........ ::) ::)
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natural till 1997 huh?
let me give you some advice..............go and get a bladed-object, find you mother.........and stab her repeatedly in her stomech and vagina..............so as to ensure that dumb whore cannot possibly render anymore progeny that are as deafeningly stupid as you.
then kill yourself.........i dont care how.........would prefer that its painful...........to really drive home the fact that YOUR TOO DUMB TO LIVE
fucking f@ggot........ ::) ::)
Your "your" should be "you're."
You're welcome.
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Your "your" should be "you're."
You're welcome.
really ::) ::)
thanks.............perha ps you can commiserate with mrs. guzofski, my 10 grade english teacher......and talk some shop ::) ::)
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Phil Heath from AC joint to wrist is a genetic freak in terms of muscle shape, muscle density and muscle belly length, period! The rest of him is good too. Now, to suggest that he is somehow doing more or less because of his genetics, well no he is doing what all the rest are doing.(more or less) I would call his genetic respond to hormones on a scale for example (Excellent. 5. Good. 4. Satisfactory. 3. Fair. 2. Poor. 1) I give him a 4 which is good. I would give Ronnie a 5 if he were human, but he is not so this scale does not aplly to him.
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Phil Heath from AC joint to wrist is a genetic freak in terms of muscle shape, muscle density and muscle belly length, period! The rest of him is good too. Now, to suggest that he is somehow doing more or less because of his genetics, well no he is doing what all the rest are doing.(more or less) I would call his genetic respond to hormoes on a scale for example (Excellent. 5. Good. 4. Satisfactory. 3. Fair. 2. Poor. 1) I give him a 4 which is good. I would give Ronnie a 5 if he were human, but he is not so this scale does not aply to him.
Phil "turned pro on 500 test 400 eq" ;D so obviously he's about an 11 on your scale. lol
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I was gonna say something about that but I didn't want to get in to it...lol
Slin is subcutaneous
I do mine straight into the muscle , usely quads,bicep,tricep or delts.its into the blood stream alot quicker this way but disperses faster to..so pretty much in and out.
Hint:Dont do quads before hitting cardio or leg training or you will drop into hypoglycemia very fast..Im also a diabetic so need to inject it :)
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Here are a couple of Phil in 2003 competing as a LH and a couple more in 2004 at the same show winning the Heavweight and overall. He said in his interview last night that he met Jay at this show in 2003 when Jay guest posed. Looks like Jay gave him some good tips that helped him improve the following year.
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One more from 2004
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Phil Heath uses more "medicine" than anyone who has ever stepped on stage. Look at his arms people. They are joke like. One of the tiniest muscles on his body is one that the medicine can only help just a bit(the chest). Every other muscle is full of the medicine. But his chest speaks the truth. Sure he also uses it there, but he(like Lee Priest) can't grow there chest with medicine alone. ;)
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Phil Heath uses more "medicine" than anyone who has ever stepped on stage. Look at his arms people. They are joke like. One of the tiniest muscles on his body is one that the medicine can only help just a bit(the chest). Every other muscle is full of the medicine. But his chest speaks the truth. Sure he also uses it there, but he(like Lee Priest) can't grow there chest with medicine alone. ;)
Fck this shit cracks me up..
This has to be one of the most retarted posts on this whole completly idiotic thread.
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Fck this shit cracks me up..
This has to be one of the most retarted posts on this whole completly idiotic thread.
Why is it retarded? Some bbers had a natural base along time ago before they juiced...Phil seems to have none.
Hi Phil.
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Why is it retarded? Some bbers had a natural base along time ago before they juiced...Phil seems to have none.
Hi Phil.
wtf are you talking about..were does he say anything about base...read his post....do you even know what he is saying..?
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wtf are you talking about..were does he say anything about base...read his post....do you even know what he is saying..?
You called the whole thread idiotic. I questioned why.
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Here are a couple of Phil in 2003 competing as a LH and a couple more in 2004 at the same show winning the Heavweight and overall. He said in his interview last night that he met Jay at this show in 2003 when Jay guest posed. Looks like Jay gave him some good tips that helped him improve the following year.
he gave him som tips alright.......thats a stunning improvment
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Why is it retarded? Some bbers had a natural base along time ago before they juiced...Phil seems to have none.
Hi Phil.
Lay off the gear dude. To say coleman had a natural base is a joke. He was probally jucing in high school so it's best to leave him out of the topic. Heath had a descent size on him, but was a little guy at 5 6. He's still a little guy and that's why he looks good. Even if jay was natural he would still look thick as fridge. This is the single reaason why phil owns his ass, he got a small torso and good shape.
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what you see in heath is the result of intra muscular insulin injections, and lots of steroids.
Missed this one.......
LMFAO
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Missed this one.......
LMFAO
Lol don't bother with these guys Darren ;D
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He needs to start taking something for those fuckedup faces he makes all the time.
Weider is never going to let him have the Sandow if he continues to come across as an egg sucking porch monkey in all his photos. I mean seriously, can you imagine promoting this "sport" (haha) when your champion makes those faces that Phil does? Fuck that shit.
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I think Ronnie was natural till 1997.
So he was placing in the top 10 in the Olympia natural, and beating some top pros natural? ;D I heard he was using Pumptech. You can look like that too. Just go to GNC.
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Missed this one.......
LMFAO
It gets better......this is the "expert" who posted that.....for real
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Meaning, what kind of natural basis did he have before becoming 'all drugs'? ???
phil heath IS the definition of ALL DRUGS,,that is why he still didnt get the o,,because jay is definition of work and drugs combined,,but rest assure heath is on the way to be mr o ,,they want it and he play the good boy now to the final end,, his calvicles should prevent him from becomgin mr o but he will be
gh15 approved
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I think you are an asshole who posts intentionally idiotic questions to try and get a rise out of people
I'm not sure what you're reading but I didn't start the thread and the question I asked is perfectly reasonable.
Jay as the #1 bodybuilder makes up to a million dollars in a year. Another bodybuilder who placed in the top 15 took a shuttle bus to the Olympia expo.
If you honestly think all bodybuilders have the same amount of money to spend on drugs, I really want to know what you're basing that on. I don't believe everything gh15 says, but spending $60,000 a year on drugs and food is perfectly possible [it's just that not all bodybuilders can afford it, hence why not ALL do that]. If some of these guys are barely pulling that in a year, how could you possibly believe there would be no discrepancy in dosages?
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I'm not sure what you're reading but I didn't start the thread and the question I asked is perfectly reasonable.
Jay as the #1 bodybuilder makes up to a million dollars in a year. Another bodybuilder who placed in the top 15 took a shuttle bus to the Olympia expo.
If you honestly think all bodybuilders have the same amount of money to spend on drugs, I really want to know what you're basing that on. I don't believe everything gh15 says, but spending $60,000 a year on drugs and food is perfectly possible [it's just that not all bodybuilders can afford it, hence why not ALL do that]. If some of these guys are barely pulling that in a year, how could you possibly believe there would be no discrepancy in dosages?
True, just look at how Kai grew after he got new sponsorship and contracts, just imagine what Jojo Ntiforo had the same...
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Lay off the gear dude. To say coleman had a natural base is a joke. He was probally jucing in high school so it's best to leave him out of the topic. Heath had a descent size on him, but was a little guy at 5 6. He's still a little guy and that's why he looks good. Even if jay was natural he would still look thick as fridge. This is the single reaason why phil owns his ass, he got a small torso and good shape.
stupid north american suburban white boy building home-made bombs in daddy's garage. i will write it again. brothers dont have wide access to steroids in the hood. most have no clue what the f##k they are even the ones playing football. it's even worst for a guy like ronnie in northern louisiana in the country in high school. ronnie didnt see steroids until he started bbing. his exposure comes on the police force.
i made 2nd-team all-district catholic league on grits, biscuits and black beans with protein shakes in for good measure. louisiana is 5th in nation in producing nfl pros so i played with and against some dope MoFos who knew pot but nothing about orals or injectors.
you see in city, know who does what. who steals? who deals drugs? who's who? who does whatever?
ronnie had a good natural core from eating grits, cheese, and that damn BBQ along with sleep and playing football 7-8 mths out the yr. negro didnt need a job even at grambling because there isnt s##t to do in the woods.
peace.
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True, just look at how Kai grew after he got new sponsorship and contracts, just imagine what Jojo Ntiforo had the same...
Good example using Kai and Jojo. I just don't see a lot of the guys who do not place in the top six or so having the disposable income necessary to spend that much money on gear. I could be wrong, but I would say there would be a discrepancy in doses based mostly on discrepancy in income. I'm sure some of the guys who gladly take more if they could afford it. With what Kai, Jay, and Phil have been earning lately, I don't see money being a determining factor in what gear they use.
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As most of them start hormone at a very young age. How did they afford that ? I heard that Jay started at 17 and Lee Priest at 16, how come they have enough money for that ? and How did they get that ?
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As most of them start hormone at a very young age. How did they afford that ? I heard that Jay started at 17 and Lee Priest at 16, how come they have enough money for that ? and How did they get that ?
G4P didnt you hear Jay thanking his sponsers in the victory speech ;D
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from disgusted's pics
phil from 2003 to 2004, was a huge difference!
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I think Ronnie was natural till 1997.
wtf ???
this is a joke, right...?
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stupid north american suburban white boy building home-made bombs in daddy's garage. i will write it again. brothers dont have wide access to steroids in the hood. most have no clue what the f##k they are even the ones playing football. it's even worst for a guy like ronnie in northern louisiana in the country in high school. ronnie didnt see steroids until he started bbing. his exposure comes on the police force.
superior genes, yes, of course.
coaches see the potential, and supply, free of charge, it goes under "miscellaneous expenses" for the team, obviously it doesnt get talked about.
Ronnie is in another league, but he juiced as a teen, come on, look at his pics competing as a teen... its "normal" to see a gene gifted young guy (usually african descent) with big arms/chest/delts, but a fully developed physique at that age from grits? dont think so.
I wasnt there, I dont know, its all speculation, but its my 2 cents.
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Most of them start as teen, ronnie did. But not all pro bodybuilder start Hormone at that young of age. You don't have to start hormone as a teen to become someday a pro bodybuilder.
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The natural wonder Michael Lockett at the Olympia.
signing pictures and taking names!
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it is very simple take pen and paper and copy this to your bed notes or notbook whatever you use in school now days,, very simple!
gym rat = test and anything else he can get for cheapest or for whereever in between clases or work for fun ,,
copetetive bb = living drugs breathing drugs and thinking drugs 24/7 including sacrificing a LOT ,, now the drugs are not only testosterona,,the main basic drugs for competetive bodybuildrer inorder to be sucessful or chance to be sucessful are as foloow: testosterona as base,, trenbolona ace,,equipona ,, and masterona all 4 all together all fuckin ways! yes offseason too,, now important to understand here something....
you can use as much of those drugs as you want and be the most dedicated bodybuilder in the world and you will still wont see 240lb at 5'10 at 7% why? because arnold didnt,,why didnt he? because he did not have constant synthetic gh use,,
that is when and what seperate the higher levelk beasts from you ,,the adding of gh into the mix i gave you ,,and then insulin inorder to completely ruin physiqe,, that is what heath is doing now in incresing rate and what jason already forgot how to do from doing itso much,,
this is it thats the idea,,phil can pull still ,,kai tried to take it into ron colman level but ron is the best bodybuilder ever lived and kai is not ron he is a dwarf too short to ever do serious damage as mr o ,,heath pull it because he listened to what jason told him and used his brain adding it right into his physiqe while kai rushed it ,,
neverthe less phil should neevr be mr o with that calvicles,,but he is smart fella and good pupil,,
in any case,,, this is bodybuilding 401 for you those are the final classes of bodybuilding for those who went through many trials and errors after about 4 -5 years of thoe errors,,they always get there but i just saved you 4-5 years since you will have a lot more trial and erros to do with gettign your estrogen levels low enough yet not too low,,thatss what you need to experience yourself by tiral and erros but the basisc should be the basics and dont let anyone bullcrap you ,, good luck
gh15 approved
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superior genes, yes, of course.
coaches see the potential, and supply, free of charge, it goes under "miscellaneous expenses" for the team, obviously it doesnt get talked about.
Ronnie is in another league, but he juiced as a teen, come on, look at his pics competing as a teen... its "normal" to see a gene gifted young guy (usually african descent) with big arms/chest/delts, but a fully developed physique at that age from grits? dont think so.
I wasnt there, I dont know, its all speculation, but its my 2 cents.
Yeah, come to many HBCUs and you'll see it...because many dudes in HBCUs or play ball for those colleges are not the top picks, many have to work harder...I knew dudes who were hungry to put on pounds, but didn't want to spend money on jack, all they did was lift weights or do push ups...I knew of dudes who spent hours in the dorm stairwells (at night) doing decline push ups...chest and tris like a mofo...my dad had 19 inch calves (high inserts) and he never did calf raises, and his brother (my uncle) has huge forearms, even to this day at around his late 50's...they worked on a farm when they were young, lifting 100 pound sacks...
As that gym owner said of Ronnie, when he walked into the gym the first time, "Gawd Damn!"
in a 1996 Flex magazine, Ronnie did however state that as a kid he used to do nothing but bicep curls, he would pump away at night, and that is all he did, which could be a reason why his biceps were very prominant and his tris were not.
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superior genes, yes, of course.
coaches see the potential, and supply, free of charge, it goes under "miscellaneous expenses" for the team, obviously it doesnt get talked about.
Ronnie is in another league, but he juiced as a teen, come on, look at his pics competing as a teen... its "normal" to see a gene gifted young guy (usually african descent) with big arms/chest/delts, but a fully developed physique at that age from grits? dont think so.
I wasnt there, I dont know, its all speculation, but its my 2 cents.
you're a f##kin idiot and in dreamland if you think every 4 and 5 star black kid from the city and country side does steroids.
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(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5219/vy34uf.jpg)
That's him in college. So the question should be what isn't all drugs? 98% of his physique is drugs.
Where did you get that pic from?
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(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs448.ash1/24700_117095054976174_112197712132575_215417_3863506_n.jpg)
lol
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All snout.
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Phil would be about 140lb natural.
You don't know who has the most natty potential, because all these guys started juicing when they were about 15.
Zero base.
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Here are a couple of Phil in 2003 competing as a LH and a couple more in 2004 at the same show winning the Heavweight and overall. He said in his interview last night that he met Jay at this show in 2003 when Jay guest posed. Looks like Jay gave him some good tips that helped him improve the following year.
Great pics of a young Phil! Never seen those before. Any more? What site are you getting them from? ???
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Phil would be about 140lb natural.
You don't know who has the most natty potential, because all these guys started juicing when they were about 15.
If you're gonna say that then don't use Phil's name in the same post because he didn't start when he was 15 or anywhere near that age.
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you should stop talking about this stuff. you have NO clue.
seriously.
hahahahahaha coming from the guy that has never posted a pic because he's a fat bastard, and thinks that when you get a hypo no one ever hyperventilates is really quite amusing.
irony is strong with you.
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I was gonna say something about that but I didn't want to get in to it...lol
Slin is subcutaneous
good thing you kept your mouth shut then eh wiggs ;)
i would have thought by now you would have learned - never doubt what i say. ::)
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you can IM it too.
but what he's implying is that introducing insulin directly into the muscle tissue is responsible for the hypertrophy- like something 'magic' happens when you use insulin site specifically. lol- holy fuck. ahahahahahahahahahahahah ahah
all he does is come off as a fucking know-it-all who knows nothing. he's such a tool.
i'd be very surprised if he has any real life friendships because of this.
i'm going to do what i always do here - educate and own you.
do a pub med search on insulin, intra muscular igf-1, and mgf and see what you come up with cheif !
i'll give you a few hours to see what you can find.
i expect a full apology from you, or once again the owning will be brutal and without mercy.
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Fatpanda...
How did the Getbiggers get that disgusting pic of you and why would you post it on the Internet? True question.
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Fatpanda...
How did the Getbiggers get that disgusting pic of you and why would you post it on the Internet? True question.
i'm doing a tranformation log pollux, check it out. its on the training log section of the site.
unlike the faceless cowards here i have no fears of posting pics in terrible shape like that because i know how to change how i look.
these clowns will never post a pic because they are ashamed, its why they attack me in every thread. its quite sad really.
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If Phil Heath is working with Hany, trust me, he is on a ton of drugs.!!!! Hany and Oscar are known for there extreme drug use.Why do you think Desmond Miller had to retire early? Oscar!!! Kai's trainer.I seen oscars drug regiman for a 275lb guy at it was insane..We are talking 36iu;s of HGH, 2500-3000mg of test.There was other stuff, on the list, but I cant remember, this was 4 years ago.The guy worked worked with Oscare for 4 weeks, and he said he stopped because he felt like he was goiong to die.
He said all the stuff Oscar put him on had him sweating like crazy, and his heart pounded so hard, he felt like he was going to have a heart attack or a stroke.These so called "guru's like Chad ,Hany, AND Oscare dont give a shit about your health.Just look at Tom Prince ,Flex Wheeler, Desmond Miller and Don Long.There guys could have been in bodybuilding alot longer if they didnt have such reckless people helping them.Do you think Hany, Chad, or any of these guys care if you have health problems or even die....No.Its not there body, its yours
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If Phil Heath is working with Hany, trust me, he is on a ton of drugs.!!!! Hany and Oscar are known for there extreme drug use.Why do you think Desmond Miller had to retire early? Oscar!!! Kai's trainer.I seen oscars drug regiman for a 275lb guy at it was insane..We are talking 36iu;s of HGH, 2500-3000mg of test.There was other stuff, on the list, but I cant remember, this was 4 years ago.The guy worked worked with Oscare for 4 weeks, and he said he stopped because he felt like he was goiong to die.
He said all the stuff Oscar put him on had him sweating like crazy, and his heart pounded so hard, he felt like he was going to have a heart attack or a stroke.These so called "guru's like Chad ,Hany, AND Oscare dont give a shit about your health.Just look at Tom Prince ,Flex Wheeler, Desmond Miller and Don Long.There guys could have been in bodybuilding alot longer if they didnt have such reckless people helping them.Do you think Hany, Chad, or any of these guys care if you have health problems or even die....No.Its not there body, its yours
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you're the guy who owns the gym in upstate NY...correct?
thank god Team Brandy Leaver got off the oscar train before a crash.
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i'm doing a tranformation log pollux, check it out. its on the training log section of the site.
unlike the faceless cowards here i have no fears of posting pics in terrible shape like that because i know how to change how i look.
these clowns will never post a pic because they are ashamed, its why they attack me in every thread. its quite sad really.
Gotcha. Well, that's great you posted a pic and doing a transformation; I applaude you. But don't talk shit about other people's physique when you look like that. True thought.
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good thing you kept your mouth shut then eh wiggs ;)
i would have thought by now you would have learned - never doubt what i say. ::)
I love you Panda ;D...You're a swell mate...Lets get skinny together, mo homo... ;D
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Fatpanda...
When will the self transformation end and will you be posting an updated pic? ???
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i'm going to do what i always do here - educate and own you.
do a pub med search on insulin, intra muscular igf-1, and mgf and see what you come up with cheif !
i'll give you a few hours to see what you can find.
i expect a full apology from you, or once again the owning will be brutal and without mercy.
dear titty boy,
you said insulin in your first post, not igf/mgf- which by the way have nothing to do with insulin or its conversion in the body. the only similarity to insulin igf has is its molecular structure, dolt.
you do realise the whole board is reading this, right? and that they are following your posts, and that you look more and more unintelligent by the minute (if thats even possible). i cannot believe how after being proven so many times you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about that you continue to post.
i guess you figure because it's called IGF- 'insulin growth factor'- it's related to the application of exogenous insulin administration causing the cellular hypertrophy, eh fatbody?
god you are DUMB. ahahahahahaha
now, lets get back to the discussion at hand here, camel tits- please, enlighten us all on how 'intra muscular insulin injections' are responsible for such advanced hypertrophy in the cell it is applied to.
what you see in heath is the result of intra muscular insulin injections, and lots of steroids.
i, and im sure the rest of the board wait in eager anticipation of you not being to answer the question.
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i'm going to do what i always do here - educate and own you.
do a pub med search on insulin, intra muscular igf-1, and mgf and see what you come up with cheif !
i'll give you a few hours to see what you can find.
i expect a full apology from you, or once again the owning will be brutal and without mercy.
I haven't seen any evidence that intramuscular insulin has localized anabolic effects. If you have references I'd like to see them.
Haven't seen any solid evidence that IGF-1 has localized effects either.
And MGF, does it even do anything in the real world? And is the stuff even real?
That "BFG" poster said Kai was doing lots of IGF-1 and other peptides in his traps. If true, it didn't work. :D
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If Phil Heath is working with Hany, trust me, he is on a ton of drugs.!!!! Hany and Oscar are known for there extreme drug use.
Phil doesn't use a ton of drugs! He hasn't even tried insulin yet! Not even once! :D
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dear titty boy,
you said insulin in your first post, not igf/mgf- which by the way have nothing to do with insulin or its conversion in the body.
you do realise the whole board is reading this, right? and that they are following your posts, and that you look more and more unintelligent by the minute (if thats even possible). i cannot believe how after being proven so many times you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about that you continue to post.
i guess you figure because it's called IGF- 'insulin growth factor'- it's related to the application of exogenous insulin administration causing the cellular hypertrophy, eh fatbody?
god you are DUMB. ahahahahahaha
now, lets get back to the discussion at hand here, camel tits- please, enlighten us all on how 'intra muscular insulin injections' are responsible for such advanced hypertrophy in the cell it is applied to.
i, and im sure the rest of the board wait in eager anticipation of you not being to answer the question.
listen tubbs, i know exactly what insulin does in the body. here's a hint - a lot more than storing glycogen.
thats me gave you two hints lets see if you can prove you have a brain, go onto pubmed and search for those things i mentioned.
hell here's some more hints: MAPk, ERK, Cascade events, myogenic stem cells/ satellite cell activation, mRNA activity, etc but you probably can't spell your own name. ::)
prove me wrong ::) i'll laugh at your attempts.
i'm also not holding my breath as you could not find a single thing to back up your hyperventilation theory on hypos ;D
I haven't seen any evidence that intramuscular insulin has localized anabolic effects. If you have references I'd like to see them.
Haven't seen any solid evidence that IGF-1 has localized effects either.
And MGF, does it even do anything in the real world? And is the stuff even real?
That "BFG" poster said Kai was doing lots of IGF-1 and other peptides in his traps. If true, it didn't work. :D
systemic igf-1 does not effect muscle mass, intra muscular igf-1 does - and there is various things that can effect the release on intra muscular igf-1. ;)
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systemic igf-1 does not effect muscle mass, intra muscular igf-1 does - and there is various things that can effect the release on intra muscular igf-1. ;)
Yes. This however doesn't mean an intramuscular injection of the mentioned substances will have localized effects. Same as with steroids - there's no solid evidence they have more effects in the injected muscle (beyond scar tissue and inflammation).
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i'm also not holding my breath as you could not find a single thing to back up your hyperventilation theory on hypos ;D
dear stupid- it was you who said heath must have been going hypo because he was short of breath. ahahahahahahaha. short of breath from going hypo- thats a new one! ahahahahahaha omg. will grant had to come along and point out that you used the wrong link to try to prove your point- you dont even know the difference between hyperglycemia, and hypo! fuck you're such a tool. but yet you know all about insulin, hey chubba?
ps. still waiting...
now, lets get back to the discussion at hand here, camel tits- please, enlighten us all on how 'intra muscular insulin injections' are responsible for such advanced hypertrophy in the cell it is applied to.
i, and im sure the rest of the board wait in eager anticipation of you not being to answer the question.
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Phil doesn't use a ton of drugs! He hasn't even tried insulin yet! Not even once! :D
How the do you know?
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Yes. This however doesn't mean an intramuscular injection of the mentioned substances will have localized effects. Same as with steroids - there's no solid evidence they have more effects in the injected muscle (beyond scar tissue and inflammation).
um, excuse me Van, but i think he'd know about such things. why are you arguing with him? i mean, look at him- how could he be wrong.
ps. a calorie is a calorie.
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How the do you know?
Because Phil's very good friend Skip said so. And Dante Doggcrapp backed him up.
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As far as the heavy breathing, I think an expert from this forum is probably right... it's due to this
http://www.synthetek.com/products/synthelator-vasodilator/
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Because Phil's very good friend Skip said so. And Dante Doggcrapp backed him up.
Did Doggcrapp really backed this up ??
damn :-\
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As far as the heavy breathing, I think an expert from this forum is probably right... it's due to this
http://www.synthetek.com/products/synthelator-vasodilator/
no no no. our very own resident expert, fatbody, says its from going hypo. too much insulin causing that. yessir. did you know he's an expert on insulin usage? yup. it's true.
God cries every time he hears fatpanda say something.
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Did Doggcrapp really backed this up ??
damn :-\
Well he said Skip "owned" Disgusted in this debate with facts. Of course, it was just about some other personal issue with Disgusted is my guess and not about Disgusted being wrong. But it was funny in a sad way. :D
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dear stupid- it was you who said heath must have been going hypo because he was short of breath. ahahahahahahaha. short of breath from going hypo- thats a new one! ahahahahahaha omg. will grant had to come along and point out that you used the wrong link to try to prove your point- you dont even know the difference between hyperglycemia, and hypo! fuck you're such a tool. but yet you know all about insulin, hey chubba?
ps. still waiting...
hahahahaha still waiting on what ? i posted another 2 that backed up my statement right after that one that you convienently missed i see ::) what were the chances of that.
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no one you rediculously stupid girls - shut your mouth, you are giving very dangerous wrong opinions.
hyperventilating is a known effect of going hypo. i work in a hospital, i see it all the fucking time you clown. not everyone gets it, but it does happen.
not everyone gets gyno, but you still have milk dripping your moobs bitch. :D
Yes. This however doesn't mean an intramuscular injection of the mentioned substances will have localized effects. Same as with steroids - there's no solid evidence they have more effects in the injected muscle (beyond scar tissue and inflammation).
insulin is not oil based - it is completely different ;)
i have no study that specificly shows insulin being injected intra muscular having direct hypertrophic effects, but insulin does effect things that does effect hypertrophy positively. IM injections would also increase the speed insulin effects these items on that site, as its directly absorbed in that site, rather than through the blood stream.
i can post studies later if you like, i am just finished my workout and hitting the shower :)
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i have no study that specificly shows insulin being injected intra muscular having direct hypertrophic effects, but insulin does effect things that does effect hypertrophy positively. IM injections would also increase the speed insulin effects these items on that site, as its directly absorbed in that site, rather than through the blood stream.
i can post studies later if you like, i am just finished my workout and hitting the shower :)
It being water based would seem to make it even more unlikely to have site specific effects, I think. Muscle tissue is very vascular and the peptide is dispersed quickly. Diabetics of course depend on this, the systemic effect, so it inhibits glucose production in the liver and so on.
Some have said insulin has site specific lipogenic effects when injected sub-q. I'm not sure about that either, kind of doubt it. Could be wrong of course. If it did to any significant extent you'd think bodybuilders would have trouble dropping belly fat during prep or gaining more fat there when bulking.
If insulin has injection-site specific effects my guess is the effect is minute and unmeasurable. I remember Milos actually addressing this and saying to do the insulin sub-q as it doesn't have site specific effects. But that's just one gurus opinion. :D
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i am just finished my workout and hitting the shower :)
you can fit in there?
do you have to cover yourself in margarine in order to squeeze in and out of it?
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It being water based would seem to make it even more unlikely to have site specific effects, I think. Muscle tissue is very vascular and the peptide is dispersed quickly. Diabetics of course depend on this, the systemic effect, so it inhibits glucose production in the liver and so on.
Some have said insulin has site specific lipogenic effects when injected sub-q. I'm not sure about that either, kind of doubt it. Could be wrong of course. If it did to any significant extent you'd think bodybuilders would have trouble dropping belly fat during prep or gaining more fat there when bulking.
If insulin has injection-site specific effects my guess is the effect is minute and unmeasurable. I remember Milos actually addressing this and saying to do the insulin sub-q as it doesn't have site specific effects. But that's just one gurus opinion. :D
here you go, i knew i read a study on this:
Extreme hyperinsulinemia unmasks insulin's effect to stimulate protein synthesis in the human forearm
Insulin clearly stimulates skeletal muscle protein synthesis in vitro. Surprisingly, this effect has been difficult to reproduce in vivo. As in vitro studies have typically used much higher insulin concentrations than in vivo studies, we examined whether these concentration differences could explain the discrepancy between in vitro and in vivo observations. In 14 healthy volunteers, we raised forearm insulin concentrations 1,000-fold above basal levels while maintaining euglycemia for 4 h. Amino acids (AA) were given to either maintain basal arterial (n = 4) or venous plasma (n = 6) AA or increment arterial plasma AA by 100% (n = 4) in the forearm. We measured forearm muscle glucose, lactate, oxygen, phenylalanine balance, and [3H]phenylalanine kinetics at baseline and at 4 h of insulin infusion. Extreme hyperinsulinemia strongly reversed postabsorptive muscle's phenylalanine balance from a net release to an uptake (P < 0.001). This marked anabolic effect resulted from a dramatic stimulation of protein synthesis (P < 0.01) and a modest decline in protein degradation. Furthermore, this effect was seen even when basal arterial or venous aminoacidemia was maintained. With marked hyperinsulinemia, protein synthesis increased further when plasma AA concentrations were also increased (P < 0.05). Forearm blood flow rose at least twofold with the combined insulin and AA infusion (P < 0.01), and this was consistent in all groups. These results demonstrate an effect of high concentrations of insulin to markedly stimulate muscle protein synthesis in vivo in adults, even when AA concentrations are not increased. This is similar to prior in vitro reports but distinct from physiological hyperinsulinemia in vivo where stimulation of protein synthesis does not occur. Therefore, the current findings suggest that the differences in insulin concentrations used in prior studies may largely explain the previously reported discrepancy between insulin action on protein synthesis in adult muscle in vivo vs. in vitro.
full text here:
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/274/6/E1067
i don't want to go into how insulin effects cell volume ( and the benefits it causes) and how it increases protein uptake, water, glycogen, and how all this can increase local igf-1, satellite cells , etc etc all the things i mentioned.
you will know what i'm talking about, its pity no one's glass is already full, all 2ml of it ::)
its funny that you mention milos, as his athletes do not get 'guts'. he says its due to them only taking insulin around the workout while there is increased blood flow to muscles rather than spread evenly throughout the body. This he believes caused insulin to be absorbed by the receptors in the muscles primarily.
in my mind IM injections will do exactly this, only faster. Also in tying in with the above study with admittedly crazy insulin dosages. the full amount of insulin is absorbed through the muscle rather than a small % of it when absorbed sc, and absorbed via standard blood flow. ( am i making sense ? )
just one fat guys opinion :D
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I wish I could take credit for this work :D
(http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/e2dwews6/tatfwat.jpg)
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you can fit in there?
do you have to cover yourself in margarine in order to squeeze in and out of it?
wow, all these hours and all you could come up with was that :o
not even an attempt at posting something intellectual.
probably better that way for you, that way you don't get owned even more.
carry on......
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Where did you get that pic from?
Google.
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I think you are an asshole who posts intentionally idiotic questions to try and get a rise out of people
And you fell for it.