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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: FREAKgeek on September 27, 2010, 05:57:48 PM
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Front double : Branch
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Back double : Branch
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Ab/Thigh : Branch
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Side Tri : Branch
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Side Chest : Branch
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Front Lat : Branch
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Rear Lat : Branch
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MM : Dexter
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I agree with what Jim Rockell said on PBW. Branch was actually closer to Jay and Phil than he was to Dexter.
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what species is this thing called branch?
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what species is this thing called branch?
the type thats obviously ownes your mind....
bench
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Front double : Branch
hahahahahahahahaahahahha hahaah
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hahahahahahahahaahahahhahahaah
except for the lat he does....dex doesnt have enough thickness to compete...
bench
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branch has size and condition over dex therefor branch places higher. end of story.
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except for the lat he does....dex doesnt have enough thickness to compete...
bench
dex beats him in shoulders, bi's and forearms in that shot. Midsection He has him as well. Branch obviously takes the lower half. After looking at the other shots though Branch's conditioning is spot on and some of his other poses do kill Dex, but his overall shape is just bleh!
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Who are the judges and what is the criterion? Also, who picks the judges and on what qualifications? I have never approved of the system where they assess judges by how well they agree with other judges. While that is important it makes for some anxiety of the judges to vote for who the others are voting for.
There are several factors that are important. What is the judging process? What is the scoring system? Do the rounds count equally? Where do the judges sit and are they separated? There should be no opportunity for judges to compare notes or have others discuss the contest with them. Therefore the whole process should be completed at the so-called prejudging. No posedown, etc., for points except perhaps for a best poser award if given. The history of both the women and men demonstates that decisions made after the judging often changes by time the contest is over. While that may reward the best men it also allows for some to influence the judges and this really shouldn't happen. I wouldn't want to see the judges separated and isolated but what else is going to guarantee independent and unbiased judging?
Dexter has a better physique than Branch Warren. So what if the guy is huge and ripped. His bodyparts don't go together well and I would never place him above Dexter, Phil, Ronny, and even Jay. That he does well in top shows is a credit to him but it reflects badly on the whole judging process. Overall appearance should be paramount and in that regard Branch should be placed lower. His legs are great but they are out of proportion to his upper body. He compounds this by placing them out wide in many poses.
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im really happy for branch and his success
lot of people shit on him , this past year, giving him very little respect
he persevered, and somehow brought a better , more well proportioned package
he works hard, keeps his mouth shut, and deserves all the success he is reaping
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Who are the judges and what is the criterion? Also, who picks the judges and on what qualifications? I have never approved of the system where they assess judges by how well they agree with other judges. While that is important it makes for some anxiety of the judges to vote for who the others are voting for.
There are several factors that are important. What is the judging process? What is the scoring system? Do the rounds count equally? Where do the judges sit and are they separated? There should be no opportunity for judges to compare notes or have others discuss the contest with them. Therefore the whole process should be completed at the so-called prejudging. No posedown, etc., for points except perhaps for a best poser award if given. The history of both the women and men demonstates that decisions made after the judging often changes by time the contest is over. While that may reward the best men it also allows for some to influence the judges and this really shouldn't happen. I wouldn't want to see the judges separated and isolated but what else is going to guarantee independent and unbiased judging?
Dexter has a better physique than Branch Warren. So what if the guy is huge and ripped. His bodyparts don't go together well and I would never place him above Dexter, Phil, Ronny, and even Jay. That he does well in top shows is a credit to him but it reflects badly on the whole judging process. Overall appearance should be paramount and in that regard Branch should be placed lower. His legs are great but they are out of proportion to his upper body. He compounds this by placing them out wide in many poses.
Fuck ::)
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hahahahahahahahaahahahhahahaah
x2.
this is one of the all time most idiotic posts ive read in 12 years of being at GB.com.
it probably explains why the 'O is the way it is though.
how anyone can put that pile of crap ahead of Dex in any of those poses except maybe for the rear double bi, is beyond comprehension.
yet it apparently has happened and still does.
that single front double bi alone should put Dex so far ahead of Branch that even if he was better in the others, he shouldnt catch up.
its amazing how "mass" is rated by some...
ridiculous.
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im really happy for branch and his success
lot of people shit on him , this past year, giving him very little respect
he persevered, and somehow brought a better , more well proportioned package
he works hard, keeps his mouth shut, and deserves all the success he is reaping
I don't have very many favorites in this age of "bodybuilding" but Branch is one. Dude knows hows to train and doesn't train like pussy.
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Who are the judges and what is the criterion? Also, who picks the judges and on what qualifications? I have never approved of the system where they assess judges by how well they agree with other judges. While that is important it makes for some anxiety of the judges to vote for who the others are voting for.
There are several factors that are important. What is the judging process? What is the scoring system? Do the rounds count equally? Where do the judges sit and are they separated? There should be no opportunity for judges to compare notes or have others discuss the contest with them. Therefore the whole process should be completed at the so-called prejudging. No posedown, etc., for points except perhaps for a best poser award if given. The history of both the women and men demonstates that decisions made after the judging often changes by time the contest is over. While that may reward the best men it also allows for some to influence the judges and this really shouldn't happen. I wouldn't want to see the judges separated and isolated but what else is going to guarantee independent and unbiased judging?
Dexter has a better physique than Branch Warren. So what if the guy is huge and ripped. His bodyparts don't go together well and I would never place him above Dexter, Phil, Ronny, and even Jay. That he does well in top shows is a credit to him but it reflects badly on the whole judging process. Overall appearance should be paramount and in that regard Branch should be placed lower. His legs are great but they are out of proportion to his upper body. He compounds this by placing them out wide in many poses.
abso- effin- lutley spot on!
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I don't have very many favorites in this age of "bodybuilding" but Branch is one. Dude knows hows to train and doesn't train like pussy.
plus he is a man, not some adolescent narcissist like most pro BBs
has a successful business, hot wife, good life, faith
carries himself with pride and respect
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Obviously, training hard, being a nice guy, having a hot wife, being strong, believing in God, being successful in business, and having pride, etc., cannot and should not count in a bodybuilding contest. The old AAU Mr America counted such things but Joe thought it fairer to reward the best physique so that is what should be happening.
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Branch's asthetics have actually improved a ton in the past few years. I think thats what is helping him place so much higher in some of these shows recently. His waist is smaller and his upper body is catching up with his lower half.
Kudos to Branch, he was the freakiest guy on stage. Too bad he doesnt have a back.
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Obviously, training hard, being a nice guy, having a hot wife, being strong, believing in God, being successful in business, and having pride, etc., cannot and should not count in a bodybuilding contest. The old AAU Mr America counted such things but Joe thought it fairer to reward the best physique so that is what should be happening.
Thats why bodybuilding isn't and cannot ever be a sport...ever, it's too subjective.
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branch's calves are the size of dex's quads, hope this helps
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Yes, it is a subjective process but it can be made more objective in many ways. One is to have three judging panels. First does the contest. The second looks at photos all scaled to the same size. The third looks at and evaluates from the videos. Combine the scores by having the first group count 50% and the other two 25% each. That would be fair because the last two groups could take their time and keep looking at photos and videos. We would have to have standardized videos made instead of some that zoom in and out and miss many of the full poses.
What happens today is that personalities enter the equation and need I mention contracts and sponsors? All affect the results and this is to be expected. At the very least the judging results published for everyone to view. Too much control resides at the top and this includes selection of officials. I believe we have an unelected, lifetime pro athletes rep. This dude represents the Olympians by MCing the contest. I shake my head at the whole enterprise and am hardly surprised at controversy after controversy.
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Branch's asthetics have actually improved a ton in the past few years. I think thats what is helping him place so much higher in some of these shows recently. His waist is smaller and his upper body is catching up with his lower half.
Kudos to Branch, he was the freakiest guy on stage. Too bad he doesnt have a back.
thats true.........and let people put that into perspective......changin g you physique, not as in adding weight, but actually changing your proportion and balance is not an easy feat for any competitor, particularly for as guy as far into his career as branch is
guys can add mass, or bring in better condition...........but to actually change your proportion and make yourself more aesthetic is near fuckin impossible.......muscula ture is pretty much all genetic
you cant just go, "well, i just want my back to grow, and my waist to get smaller"........but somehow branch is pulling it off to a successful degree
good for him.....
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thats true.........and let people put that into perspective......changin g you physique, not as in adding weight, but actually changing your proportion and balance is not an easy feat for any competitor, particularly for as guy as far into his career as branch is
guys can add mass, or bring in better condition...........but to actually change your proportion and make yourself more aesthetic is near fuckin impossible.......muscula ture is pretty much all genetic
you cant just go, "well, i just want my back to grow, and my waist to get smaller"........but somehow branch is pulling it off to a successful degree
good for him.....
Very true, im not really a branch fan.
But he definetely deserves props for doing so much with less than pretty much anyone else on that stage.
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Branch can change his presentation and become slightly more aesthetic. If Dexter helped him it would make a big difference. Eg. His lats are so wide that they merge into his triceps in the front double biceps pose. If Branch lifts his elbows perhaps 2 inches he would have a better flow. He needs to keep his legs closer together and not squat down while posing. That accentuates his being bottom heavy. When standing relaxed he needs to keep his ^%@#%@# elbows close to his body and not out wide like some musclehead. I mean, don't these guys have any idea how to pose! He makes the same mistake front and back and looks the worse for it. Shortasses who are thick need to resemble Hercules and not try the fancy out wide poses.
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branch has size and condition over dex therefor branch places higher. end of story.
Really, I see a far more conditioned Dex, and a piss poor wrinkley back on ZBranch, if branch was in condition, he would have no wrinkles...T Rex arms and a upper body that doesn't match his world class legs.
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aesthetics
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I don't have very many favorites in this age of "bodybuilding" but Branch is one. Dude knows hows to train and doesn't train like pussy.
Those forearms show that he doesn't train as hard you speak of...maybe Bench can confirm, but those look like the forearms of someone who trains with straps alot...sad to see that Dex, Phil, Vic, Kai, etc all have better forearms.
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Who are the judges and what is the criterion? Also, who picks the judges and on what qualifications? I have never approved of the system where they assess judges by how well they agree with other judges. While that is important it makes for some anxiety of the judges to vote for who the others are voting for.
There are several factors that are important. What is the judging process? What is the scoring system? Do the rounds count equally? Where do the judges sit and are they separated? There should be no opportunity for judges to compare notes or have others discuss the contest with them. Therefore the whole process should be completed at the so-called prejudging. No posedown, etc., for points except perhaps for a best poser award if given. The history of both the women and men demonstates that decisions made after the judging often changes by time the contest is over. While that may reward the best men it also allows for some to influence the judges and this really shouldn't happen. I wouldn't want to see the judges separated and isolated but what else is going to guarantee independent and unbiased judging?
Dexter has a better physique than Branch Warren. So what if the guy is huge and ripped. His bodyparts don't go together well and I would never place him above Dexter, Phil, Ronny, and even Jay. That he does well in top shows is a credit to him but it reflects badly on the whole judging process. Overall appearance should be paramount and in that regard Branch should be placed lower. His legs are great but they are out of proportion to his upper body. He compounds this by placing them out wide in many poses.
i actually agree with the schmoe.
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Branch's asthetics have actually improved a ton in the past few years. I think thats what is helping him place so much higher in some of these shows recently. His waist is smaller and his upper body is catching up with his lower half.
Kudos to Branch, he was the freakiest guy on stage. Too bad he doesnt have a back.
I'm no fan of Branchs physique, but his back was the best i've ever seen it. especially the rear lat spread.
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I'm no fan of Branchs physique, but his back was the best i've ever seen it. especially the rear lat spread.
very true, it was improved. but it is still far to weak when compared to the rest of his massive physique.
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Those forearms show that he doesn't train as hard you speak of...maybe Bench can confirm, but those look like the forearms of someone who trains with straps alot...sad to see that Dex, Phil, Vic, Kai, etc all have better forearms.
He does train very hard, not perfect form at all, but very intense. I've seen it many times. He certainly doesn't have the best structure or shape, but TX boys don't fuck around at the gym. 8)
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He does train very hard, not perfect form at all, but very intense. I've seen it many times. He certainly doesn't have the best structure or shape, but TX boys don't fuck around at the gym. 8)
TX boys prefer to fuck around in bath houses , only two things come from texas , steers and queers
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TX boys prefer to fuck around in bath houses , only two things come from texas , steers and queers
Hahahaha!! I bet you know all about that since you brought that up "Scott Markley." Or is it "Scott Markey??" ;)
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Hahahaha!! I bet you know all about that since you brought that up "Scott Markley." Or is it "Scott Markey??" ;)
i am not scott markey are names are similar , but other than that i have nothing in common with that cum drinking homo , this is me
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i am not scott markey are names are similar , but other than that i have nothing in common with that cum drinking homo , this is me
is that a streak of jizz running down the middle of your goatee?
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is that a streak of jizz running down the middle of your goatee?
silence negroid , im from the south and we dont tolerate this kind of insolence from the mud people where i come from
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branch all the way
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silence negroid , im from the south and we dont tolerate this kind of insolence from the mud people where i come from
..... At your age...(going by that picture :-\ This is the garbage coming out of your mouth...
Sad
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Dexter's body looks way better but Branch looks pretty imposing. His front relaxed looks awesome.
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easy there arab f@goot or you can join your friends , il make you die for my country
Hi Dave!
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Branch can change his presentation and become slightly more aesthetic. If Dexter helped him it would make a big difference. Eg. His lats are so wide that they merge into his triceps in the front double biceps pose. If Branch lifts his elbows perhaps 2 inches he would have a better flow. He needs to keep his legs closer together and not squat down while posing. That accentuates his being bottom heavy. When standing relaxed he needs to keep his ^%@#%@# elbows close to his body and not out wide like some musclehead. I mean, don't these guys have any idea how to pose! He makes the same mistake front and back and looks the worse for it. Shortasses who are thick need to resemble Hercules and not try the fancy out wide poses.
QFT
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Same old Dexter,nothing ever changes.Branch is bigger,harder,grainier and better.Its not even close.
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Branch's asthetics have actually improved a ton in the past few years. I think thats what is helping him place so much higher in some of these shows recently. His waist is smaller and his upper body is catching up with his lower half.
Kudos to Branch, he was the freakiest guy on stage. Too bad he doesnt have a back.
EXACTLY, he definately beats dex no doubt not close, ill say again not close...i really dont get this his bodyparts dont fit they are thrown together, that dont make sense, the guys huge, super hard,grainy and ripped...he has his weaknesses but so does dex n everyone else, but when they all stand there together the judging was spot on in the top 6 i mean i like phil but jay beat him and i thought branch was just a hair or two off phil but significantly ahead of dex......sorry just an opinion
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branch has size and condition over dex therefor branch places higher. end of story.
End of thread.
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easy there arab f@goot or you can join your friends , il make you die for my country
:D
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I don't have very many favorites in this age of "bodybuilding" but Branch is one. Dude knows hows to train and doesn't train like pussy.
He indeed trains very hard and intense, probably the hardest training bb of the top 6 at this Mr O. But his form is not good and its not something to say "he knows how to train".
What he does definitively works for him, but his form is not something to emulate.
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im really happy for branch and his success
lot of people shit on him , this past year, giving him very little respect
he persevered, and somehow brought a better , more well proportioned package
he works hard, keeps his mouth shut, and deserves all the success he is reaping
I agree. And i'd rather see a hard worker with a bigger more ripped physique like Branch beat someone who's lazier and smaller who just relies on his shape to get by. Branch deserves everything he got. Props.
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Branch rapes Dex on size and conditioninig, no matter if you guys think he's handsome or not.
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Branch rapes Dex on size and conditioninig, no matter if you guys think he's handsome or not.
yep, thats why it called BODYBUILDING and not male figure
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silence negroid , im from the south and we dont tolerate this kind of insolence from the mud people where i come from
lol from your picture it's not hard to see you saying that
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Branch rapes Dex on size and conditioninig, no matter if you guys think he's handsome or not.
Nobody said otherwise. But there used to be something about symmetry and proportions. And Dex rapes branch on those. So. And last time i checked, Dex has won a Sandow. As much as I respect Branch (and he's definitely the most deserving Bber out there), he will never win one.
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Branch's asthetics have actually improved a ton in the past few years. I think thats what is helping him place so much higher in some of these shows recently. His waist is smaller and his upper body is catching up with his lower half.
Kudos to Branch, he was the freakiest guy on stage. Too bad he doesnt have a back.
Branch's back was one of the most detailed and thickest onstage.
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Branch looks like shit, and Dexter has a much better physique, i hope this helps ;D
And who gives a f*ck is he trains 'the hardest' ? Who actually knows this for a fact? Cos he throws around weights that are too heavy for him? ::) WOW !!
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Dexter all the way....
Going by this bigger and conditioned is better theory
kovaks and rhul should have a few sandows
dex was in shape he has the better genetic shape flow and bodyparts so he should beat branch end of
missing bodyparts for branch arms and back two major bodyparts
dex has high calves and that's it.
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Dexter all the way....
Going by this bigger and conditioned is better theory
kovaks and rhul should have a few sandows
dex was in shape he has the better genetic shape flow and bodyparts so he should beat branch end of
missing bodyparts for branch arms and back two major bodyparts
dex has high calves and that's it.
Branch looks like a bag of smashed assholes. Hope this helps
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Branch sucks......LOL at all the fanboys.
"He trains so hard"..... ::)
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Branch sucks......LOL at all the fanboys.
"He trains so hard"..... ::)
Trains so sloppy is more like it. Torn lat, multiple torn tris, etc.
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aesthetics
agreed bushariffic!
bukkake in Nagasaki
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Trains so sloppy is more like it. Torn lat, multiple torn tris, etc.
He trains incredibly sloppy and his form is awful, but it works for him you can't deny that. He pays it with the injuries though.
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Branch sucks......LOL at all the fanboys.
"He trains so hard"..... ::)
Branch sucks but he kicked Dexters ass the last two years according to the ONLY ones that count,the judges.
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He trains incredibly sloppy and his form is awful, but it works for him you can't deny that. He pays it with the injuries though.
Yup. I just cringe at his form though
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Branch sucks but he kicked Dexters ass the last two years according to the ONLY ones that count,the judges.
I thinks he sucks....I could care less what the "judges" ::)LOL think
PS....I had him third in the prejudging thread. I know how it works, just don't agree with it
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Spot on groink .... 'he trains harder than anyone else' ::)
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this is one of the all time most idiotic posts ive read in 12 years of being at GB.com.
it probably explains why the 'O is the way it is though.
how anyone can put that pile of crap ahead of Dex in any of those poses except maybe for the rear double bi, is beyond comprehension.
yet it apparently has happened and still does.
that single front double bi alone should put Dex so far ahead of Branch that even if he was better in the others, he shouldnt catch up.
its amazing how "mass" is rated by some...
ridiculous.
I put that pile of crap ahead because he has better calves, better thighs, better back, better tris, wider structure, and better conditioning.
His chest is better in the front double too, Dexter's chest disappears. Dexter, as I've said, is more aesthetic. He has overall better arms
and his midsection is sharper, but overall it's not enough!
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Branch outweighs dexter
by about 20+ lbs
yes dexters arms are bigger
and bear in mind dexters arms are balanced with his body
so branch has a huge body with tiny arms how can a guy built like that pleace top 2 in the world
in the 90's he wouldn't even make top 15
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I would rate them about evenly.
Dex has aesthetics and symetery- Branch has size and conditioning.
Dex has better arms, Branch has better legs.
Body part for body part Branch owns Dex.
But in examining how everything ties in, Dex owns Branch.
Dex has structure, Branch has muscle maturity.
Six of one, half dozen of the other--You can make an argument for placing one over the other in either order.
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bout 4 yrs ago, I thought Branch was going to take the O after Ronnie, then the injuries, and muscular imbalances started, and yet he has managed to resurrect his career to become a top 2/3 mr O competitor..
All due respect, I thought he was done, but according to the judges, it appears not. Its not a pretty physique, but that hasnt stopped Yates, Ronnie nor Jay before...
If one or two guys come in slightly off, and he steps it up a little more, who knows...?
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Branch's conditioning and legs are insane
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bout 4 yrs ago, I thought Branch was going to take the O after Ronnie, then the injuries, and muscular imbalances started, and yet he has managed to resurrect his career to become a top 2/3 mr O competitor..
All due respect, I thought he was done, but according to the judges, it appears not. Its not a pretty physique, but that hasnt stopped Yates, Ronnie nor Jay before...
If one or two guys come in slightly off, and he steps it up a little more, who knows...?
ronnie shouldn't be in that sentence ronnie is freaky but he had an amaaaazing phisyque
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Branch can change his presentation and become slightly more aesthetic. If Dexter helped him it would make a big difference. Eg. His lats are so wide that they merge into his triceps in the front double biceps pose. If Branch lifts his elbows perhaps 2 inches he would have a better flow. He needs to keep his legs closer together and not squat down while posing. That accentuates his being bottom heavy. When standing relaxed he needs to keep his ^%@#%@# elbows close to his body and not out wide like some musclehead. I mean, don't these guys have any idea how to pose! He makes the same mistake front and back and looks the worse for it. Shortasses who are thick need to resemble Hercules and not try the fancy out wide poses.
again spot on.
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this is one of the all time most idiotic posts ive read in 12 years of being at GB.com.
it probably explains why the 'O is the way it is though.
how anyone can put that pile of crap ahead of Dex in any of those poses except maybe for the rear double bi, is beyond comprehension.
yet it apparently has happened and still does.
that single front double bi alone should put Dex so far ahead of Branch that even if he was better in the others, he shouldnt catch up.
its amazing how "mass" is rated by some...
ridiculous.
x3
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(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86081.jpg)(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/85299.jpg)
Front double : Branch
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86103.jpg)(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/85323.jpg)
Back double : Branch
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86126.jpg)(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/85337.jpg)
Ab/Thigh : Branch
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86118.jpg)(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/85331.jpg)
Side Tri : Branch
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86092.jpg)(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/85310.jpg)
Side Chest : Branch
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86085.jpg)(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/85304.jpg)
Front Lat : Branch
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86111.jpg)(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/85329.jpg)
Rear Lat : Branch
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86138.jpg)(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/85345.jpg)
MM : Dexter
even though no the most pleasing build to everyone's taste, these photos show why branch deserves to be up there top 6, he may not ever win but he can get close with the size & condition
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Branch owns that ninja turtle!!!
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No, no, NO, and NO, Branch does not have and never will have a better physique than Dexter. Period. Listen to the bullshit here in this thread. You can't judge via bodyparts. That might be useful to separate very close competitors. The sum has to be way more than individual parts.
Some of you think aesthetics is a small factor in these contests. Nope, not even close. It is all important. Yes, Branch has huge legs and is quite ripped. The vascularity reminds me of Dillett and it spoiled his physique, too. If the overall package looks amiss or distorted or unbalanced or weird or just plain awful then don't place that person anywhere in the top 6. End of story. Stop being apologists for that guy. Reward the guys who look great and not some freaky guy who trains hard. I mean, what kind of argument is that?
There is an argument that Dexter could have won this contest. From the results it appears the whole judging panel needs to be replaced. Well, more than half, anyway. Would need to view the video and be there. However, it really doesn't matter because most people are so confused because of past decisions that they have no idea what to think and what to say. If it is true that many of the decisions in the past Mr Olympias were suspect then that clearly means you cannot use those decisions as a basis to form criteria about judging. On the other hand, they delete the top 3 and bottom 3 to make sure that mediocrity prevails.
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Who are the judges and what is the criterion? Also, who picks the judges and on what qualifications? I have never approved of the system where they assess judges by how well they agree with other judges. While that is important it makes for some anxiety of the judges to vote for who the others are voting for.
There are several factors that are important. What is the judging process? What is the scoring system? Do the rounds count equally? Where do the judges sit and are they separated? There should be no opportunity for judges to compare notes or have others discuss the contest with them. Therefore the whole process should be completed at the so-called prejudging. No posedown, etc., for points except perhaps for a best poser award if given. The history of both the women and men demonstates that decisions made after the judging often changes by time the contest is over. While that may reward the best men it also allows for some to influence the judges and this really shouldn't happen. I wouldn't want to see the judges separated and isolated but what else is going to guarantee independent and unbiased judging?
Dexter has a better physique than Branch Warren. So what if the guy is huge and ripped. His bodyparts don't go together well and I would never place him above Dexter, Phil, Ronny, and even Jay. That he does well in top shows is a credit to him but it reflects badly on the whole judging process. Overall appearance should be paramount and in that regard Branch should be placed lower. His legs are great but they are out of proportion to his upper body. He compounds this by placing them out wide in many poses.
you get a bad rap here vince, this is all right on the money.
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No, no, NO, and NO, Branch does not have and never will have a better physique than Dexter. Period. Listen to the bullshit here in this thread. You can't judge via bodyparts. That might be useful to separate very close competitors. The sum has to be way more than individual parts.
Some of you think aesthetics is a small factor in these contests. Nope, not even close. It is all important. Yes, Branch has huge legs and is quite ripped. The vascularity reminds me of Dillett and it spoiled his physique, too. If the overall package looks amiss or distorted or unbalanced or weird or just plain awful then don't place that person anywhere in the top 6. End of story. Stop being apologists for that guy. Reward the guys who look great and not some freaky guy who trains hard. I mean, what kind of argument is that?
There is an argument that Dexter could have won this contest. From the results it appears the whole judging panel needs to be replaced. Well, more than half, anyway. Would need to view the video and be there. However, it really doesn't matter because most people are so confused because of past decisions that they have no idea what to think and what to say. If it is true that many of the decisions in the past Mr Olympias were suspect then that clearly means you cannot use those decisions as a basis to form criteria about judging. On the other hand, they delete the top 3 and bottom 3 to make sure that mediocrity prevails.
fucking YUK.............god your such faggy old melt-queen
why do you even care anymore, fucking weird old man...........spending his days rambling endless and hatefully about how bodybuilding competitions are judged
go and live life, do what you do, lure young boys into your van............stop worrying about how IFBB contests are judged, you will never be involved with it anyway and no one respects your opinion
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ronnie shouldn't be in that sentence ronnie is freaky but he had an amaaaazing phisyque
if one is talking bout branch winning the o post ronnie, how can ronnie not be mentioned?
I agree, that only when ronnie decided it was so, would anyone else have a chance...
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what species is this thing called branch?
"Oil Branch"
Just out his rear delts, very Nasser like ;-0
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From the results it appears the whole judging panel needs to be replaced. Well, more than half, anyway.
:D
Though this all be madness Mr. Basile...
yet, like that playwriter once said - there is method in it.
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When someone like Dex is considered aesthetic you know bodybuilding has hit a new low.
His waist is wider than his shoulders.
If it was pure aesthetics dex would get destroyed by guys walking down the street, so it turns in to who can achieve the most size and condition.
Branch beats Dex on those criteria's.
Size and half decent aesthetics is wolf.
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I found Troy Alves to be the most aesthetic, but again, it can only take you so far. This is a Mr. O contest, you know, where you need, dare I say ...mass? Maybe we should throw Iris Kyle in the mix too.