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If you were a bb pro would you refer to yourself as an athlete? I would prob. specify and say bodybuilder.
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if we live in a world where tiger woods is called an athlete, and golf is called a "sport"
bodybuilders are certainly athletes
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If you were a bb pro would you refer to yourself as an athlete? I would prob. specify and say bodybuilder.
In my reviews, I try to refer to the competitors as "bodybuilders" and bodybuilding itself as "the bodybuilding industry". I just think that philosophically, a sport is an event where points can be scored in an objective way. No matter how you cut it, bodybuilding is subjective. Some things are "subjectively objective", i.e., the colour spectrum for example. But even though what distinguishes red from auburn from brown is subjective, once established, placement in that group is NOT subjective. For example, if we subjectively decide that six feet is "tall" you are then either "tall" or "not tall" based on that definition, and we can extend the definition further. So although the initial categorization is subjective, placement in or out of that category after they are established is not.
But how points are scored in bodybuilding is neither objective or subjectively objective - It is simply a subjective matter. Granted, I would not win the Mr. Olympia so presumably there is some degree of objectivity, but it is still subjective overall. Of course using this definition of a "sport", we would have to call ping pong a sport, so it would leave something to be desired.
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In my reviews, I try to refer to the competitors as "bodybuilders" and bodybuilding itself as "the bodybuilding industry". I just think that philosophically, a sport is an event where points can be scored in an objective way. No matter how you cut it, bodybuilding is subjective. Some things are "subjectively objective", i.e., the colour spectrum for example. But even though what distinguishes red from auburn from brown is subjective, once established, placement in that group is NOT subjective. For example, if we subjectively decide that six feet is "tall" you are then either "tall" or "not tall" based on that definition, and we can extend the definition further. But how points are scored in bodybuilding is neither objective or subjectively objective - It is simply a subjective matter. Granted, I would not win the Mr. Olympia so presumably there is some degree of objectivity, but it is still subjective overall. Of course using this definition of a "sport", we would have to call ping pong a sport, so it would leave something to be desired.
even if bodybuilding doesnt fit historic parameters that we use to define a "sport"
bodybuilders are still athletes...........
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even if bodybuilding doesnt fit historic parameters that we use to define a "sport"
bodybuilders are still athletes...........
The definition of "athlete" is another matter and I have never really thought about that. Bodybuilders definitely go through harder training than a lot of athletes in other sports so I don't think I have a problem calling them that. However, some like Markus Ruhl would not appear to be "athletic" so then my question would be: Would being an "athlete" mean that by necessity, those in groups called athletes would have to be athletic?
I.e., is athleticism a necessary but insufficient condition for being called an "athlete"?
Markus Ruhl proves that bodybuilders do not necessarily have to be athletic. Does that mean that active "athletes" do not need to be athletic? But anyway, these matters are more for philosophers to decide. I just call them bodybuilders because it is a more specific term and because to be honest, I am not entirely sure what the consensus is on these questions.
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The definition of "athlete" is another matter and I have never really thought about that. Bodybuilders definitely go through harder training than a lot of athletes in other sports so I don't think I have a problem calling them that. However, some like Markus Ruhl would not appear to be "athletic" so then my question would be: Would being an "athlete" mean that by necessity, those in groups called athletes would have to be athletic?
I.e., is athleticism a necessary but insufficient condition for being called an "athlete"?
Markus Ruhl proves that bodybuilders do not necessarily have to be athletic. Does that mean that active "athletes" do not need to be athletic? But anyway, these matters are more for philosophers to decide. I just call them bodybuilders because it is a more specific term and because to be honest, I am not entirely sure what the consensus is on these questions.
:D
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The definition of "athlete" is another matter and I have never really thought about that. Bodybuilders definitely go through harder training than a lot of athletes in other sports so I don't think I have a problem calling them that. However, some like Markus Ruhl would not appear to be "athletic" so then my question would be: Would being an "athlete" mean that by necessity, those in groups called athletes would have to be athletic?
I.e., is athleticism a necessary but insufficient condition for being called an "athlete"?
Markus Ruhl proves that bodybuilders do not necessarily have to be athletic. Does that mean that active "athletes" do not need to be athletic? But anyway, these matters are more for philosophers to decide. I just call them bodybuilders because it is a more specific term and because to be honest, I am not entirely sure what the consensus is on these questions.
shot putters and sumo wrestlers do not look "athletic" either
we dont define athletes as people who bodies are "fit" and perform activities that are of strenght or cardiovascular benefit................a thletes are people who use their body and naturally aquires traits and movements to perform in some kind of physical or competitive context
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Bodybuilders are athletes. It takes skill to tickle ones balls with ones tongue. Hard work and dedication
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shot putters and sumo wrestlers do not look "athletic" either
we dont define athletes as people who bodies are "fit" and perform activities that are of strenght or cardiovascular benefit................a thletes are people who use their body and naturally aquires traits and movements to perform in some kind of physical or competitive context
when i was 13 i won the australian boomerang throwing championship against older competitors and some americans who came over..........athlete? doubt it
but under this reasoning i guess i am.......nice
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Bodybuilders are athletes. It takes skill to tickle ones balls with ones tongue. Hard work and dedication
haha.
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when i was 13 i won the australian boomerang throwing championship against older competitors and some americans who came over..........athlete? doubt it
but under this reasoning i guess i am.......nice
well once again they call golfers athletes
how is throwing a boomerang and less "athletic" then golf
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i just can't bring myself to say athlete and golf in the same sentence......
or that annoying crap of darts championships ...... on cable tv these fat gronks one beer in left hand whilst lining up the shot and the commentator saying ' pressure on these athletes is intense'..... ffs
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even if bodybuilding doesnt fit historic parameters that we use to define a "sport"
bodybuilders are still athletes...........
i agree 100%. as long as jokes like golf and such are called sport, bodybuilding IS a sport.
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I think the label is "contestant", this is a muscle pagaent.
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When dieted down for competition bodybuilders look very athletic. But, when you see many of the European guys sitting outside smoking cigarettes, it makes you wonder if you'd see the same thing at an event like the Olympics?
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LOL TITO
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if we live in a world where tiger woods is called an athlete, and golf is called a "sport"
bodybuilders are certainly athletes
Pretty much. In it's purest form there are not a lot of sports that i would deem athletic.
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There is no skill involved in bodybuilding, its a genetics and drug game. Atleast golf takes the development of talent.
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There is no skill involved in bodybuilding, its a genetics and drug game. Atleast golf takes the development of talent.
Yup......BTW, this gimmick started this threat to bait me.
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There is no skill involved in bodybuilding, its a genetics and drug game. Atleast golf takes the development of talent.
your an idiot
how can one person be responsible for SO MANY ridiculous observations
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your an idiot
how can one person be responsible for SO MANY ridiculous observations
What kind of skills does it take? I think it's a great observation.
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your an idiot
how can one person be responsible for SO MANY ridiculous observations
responsible ???
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There is no skill involved in bodybuilding, its a genetics and drug game. Atleast golf takes the development of talent.
is flexing and prancing around looking like a homo a talent?
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Yup......BTW, this gimmick started this threat to bait me.
Dude your borderline autistic, you have no understanding of politics yet you insist Im a gimmick. When my Ip will show I from the Canada. To say this is a sport is a joke, its a contest. But I digress you can call men in thongs whatever you want, there just words everyone in the realing world knows what its about when they see photos.
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if we live in a world where tiger woods is called an athlete, and golf is called a "sport"
bodybuilders are certainly athletes
Wrong.
In order to be a sport the activity must be PERFORMANCE based, not aesthetically based.
bbing is a contest not a sport and the lugs that compete can hardly even make it out on stage, they are anything but athletes.
Just like a swimsuit contest or beauty pageant.
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If you were a bb pro would you refer to yourself as an athlete? I would prob. specify and say bodybuilder.
So you'd rather be laughed at? ;D
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Dude your borderline autistic, you have no understanding of politics yet you insist Im a gimmick. When my Ip will show I from the Canada. To say this is a sport is a joke, its a contest. But I digress you can call men in thongs whatever you want, there just words everyone in the realing world knows what its about when they see photos.
WTF are you talking about?? You didn't start this thread. You're in school..seriously? How the fuck did you get into a college with your lack of comprehension? I was AGREEING with you.....but now....well.......fuck you!
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Yup......BTW, this gimmick started this threat to bait me.
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I meant to write threaD. Regardless, I was referring to the THREAD STARTER as a gimmick. How fucking hard is that to understand?
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I meant to write threaD. Regardless, I was referring to the THREAD STARTER as a gimmick. How fucking hard is that to understand?
I know but I think its comical how you think your opinions on anything matter.
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I am a competitive bodybuilder and I don't see myself as an athlete in any shape or form.
I suck at every sport anyway
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Are racecar drivers and jockeys athletes?
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Are racecar drivers and jockeys athletes?
They're quicker to be considered athletes before bodybuilders. :D
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They're quicker to be considered athletes before bodybuilders. :D
I agree 100%.
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I meant to write threaD. Regardless, I was referring to the THREAD STARTER as a gimmick. How fucking hard is that to understand?
gotta agree with "Lundgrngisod"...........you're accusing someone of "lack of comprehension"? Oh brother
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gotta agree with "Lundgrngisod"...........you're accusing someone of "lack of comprehension"? Oh brother
Hes easier to set off than a vet in china town.
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I know but I think its comical how you think your opinions on anything matter.
As if a 21 year old college kid who admits he doesn't pay his bills. bitches he can't put on muscle and is a closet lib has a say so in anything....now he thinks he knows anything about bodybuilding...hahahahah aha!
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yes i would refer to myself as an athlete because they are athletes and bodybuilding is a sport
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As if a 21 year old college kid who admits he doesn't pay his bills. bitches he can't put on muscle and is a closet lib has a say so in anything....now he thinks he knows anything about bodybuilding...hahahahah aha!
No I bitched that I will never be famous or important, getting in a thong aint gonna make you something. Note the Olympia comment was put in by mods. I aint no liberal either, I just anti wack job cough cough you. I dont know much about men in thongs ill admit maybe if I had a mentor or a coach Id be a bonerfide expert.
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if we live in a world where tiger woods is called an athlete, and golf is called a "sport"
bodybuilders are certainly athletes
Thread should've ended right here
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In my reviews, I try to refer to the competitors as "bodybuilders" and bodybuilding itself as "the bodybuilding industry". I just think that philosophically, a sport is an event where points can be scored in an objective way. No matter how you cut it, bodybuilding is subjective. Some things are "subjectively objective", i.e., the colour spectrum for example. But even though what distinguishes red from auburn from brown is subjective, once established, placement in that group is NOT subjective. For example, if we subjectively decide that six feet is "tall" you are then either "tall" or "not tall" based on that definition, and we can extend the definition further. So although the initial categorization is subjective, placement in or out of that category after they are established is not.
But how points are scored in bodybuilding is neither objective or subjectively objective - It is simply a subjective matter. Granted, I would not win the Mr. Olympia so presumably there is some degree of objectivity, but it is still subjective overall. Of course using this definition of a "sport", we would have to call ping pong a sport, so it would leave something to be desired.
Excellent post, agreed completely.. bodybuilding is no more a sport then the miss america or miss universe pageants are.