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If you were a PRO
« on: September 28, 2010, 11:37:28 PM »
If you were a bb pro would you refer to yourself as an athlete? I would prob. specify and say bodybuilder.

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2010, 11:55:08 PM »
if we live in a world where tiger woods is called an athlete, and golf is called a "sport"


bodybuilders are certainly athletes

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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2010, 12:07:56 AM »
If you were a bb pro would you refer to yourself as an athlete? I would prob. specify and say bodybuilder.

In my reviews, I try to refer to the competitors as "bodybuilders" and bodybuilding itself as "the bodybuilding industry".  I just think that philosophically, a sport is an event where points can be scored in an objective way.  No matter how you cut it, bodybuilding is subjective.  Some things are "subjectively objective", i.e., the colour spectrum for example.  But even though what distinguishes red from auburn from brown is subjective, once established, placement in that group is NOT subjective.  For example, if we subjectively decide that six feet is "tall" you are then either "tall" or "not tall" based on that definition, and we can extend the definition further.  So although the initial categorization is subjective, placement in or out of that category after they are established is not.

But how points are scored in bodybuilding is neither objective or subjectively objective - It is simply a subjective matter.  Granted, I would not win the Mr. Olympia so presumably there is some degree of objectivity, but it is still subjective overall.  Of course using this definition of a "sport", we would have to call ping pong a sport, so it would leave something to be desired.
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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2010, 12:10:40 AM »
In my reviews, I try to refer to the competitors as "bodybuilders" and bodybuilding itself as "the bodybuilding industry".  I just think that philosophically, a sport is an event where points can be scored in an objective way.  No matter how you cut it, bodybuilding is subjective.  Some things are "subjectively objective", i.e., the colour spectrum for example.  But even though what distinguishes red from auburn from brown is subjective, once established, placement in that group is NOT subjective.  For example, if we subjectively decide that six feet is "tall" you are then either "tall" or "not tall" based on that definition, and we can extend the definition further.  But how points are scored in bodybuilding is neither objective or subjectively objective - It is simply a subjective matter.  Granted, I would not win the Mr. Olympia so presumably there is some degree of objectivity, but it is still subjective overall.  Of course using this definition of a "sport", we would have to call ping pong a sport, so it would leave something to be desired.

even if bodybuilding doesnt fit historic parameters that we use to define a "sport"



bodybuilders are still athletes...........

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 12:17:17 AM »
even if bodybuilding doesnt fit historic parameters that we use to define a "sport"



bodybuilders are still athletes...........

The definition of "athlete" is another matter and I have never really thought about that.  Bodybuilders definitely go through harder training than a lot of athletes in other sports so I don't think I have a problem calling them that.  However, some like Markus Ruhl would not appear to be "athletic" so then my question would be: Would being an "athlete" mean that by necessity, those in groups called athletes would have to be athletic?

I.e., is athleticism a necessary but insufficient condition for being called an "athlete"?

Markus Ruhl proves that bodybuilders do not necessarily have to be athletic.  Does that mean that active "athletes" do not need to be athletic?  But anyway, these matters are more for philosophers to decide.  I just call them bodybuilders because it is a more specific term and because to be honest, I am not entirely sure what the consensus is on these questions.
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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2010, 12:35:41 AM »
The definition of "athlete" is another matter and I have never really thought about that.  Bodybuilders definitely go through harder training than a lot of athletes in other sports so I don't think I have a problem calling them that.  However, some like Markus Ruhl would not appear to be "athletic" so then my question would be: Would being an "athlete" mean that by necessity, those in groups called athletes would have to be athletic?

I.e., is athleticism a necessary but insufficient condition for being called an "athlete"?

Markus Ruhl proves that bodybuilders do not necessarily have to be athletic.  Does that mean that active "athletes" do not need to be athletic?  But anyway, these matters are more for philosophers to decide.  I just call them bodybuilders because it is a more specific term and because to be honest, I am not entirely sure what the consensus is on these questions.

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2010, 12:44:47 AM »
The definition of "athlete" is another matter and I have never really thought about that.  Bodybuilders definitely go through harder training than a lot of athletes in other sports so I don't think I have a problem calling them that.  However, some like Markus Ruhl would not appear to be "athletic" so then my question would be: Would being an "athlete" mean that by necessity, those in groups called athletes would have to be athletic?

I.e., is athleticism a necessary but insufficient condition for being called an "athlete"?

Markus Ruhl proves that bodybuilders do not necessarily have to be athletic.  Does that mean that active "athletes" do not need to be athletic?  But anyway, these matters are more for philosophers to decide.  I just call them bodybuilders because it is a more specific term and because to be honest, I am not entirely sure what the consensus is on these questions.


shot putters and sumo wrestlers do not look "athletic" either


we dont define athletes as people who bodies are "fit" and perform activities that are of strenght or cardiovascular benefit................a thletes are people who use their body and naturally aquires traits and movements to perform in some kind of physical or competitive context 

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2010, 01:43:36 AM »
Bodybuilders are athletes. It takes skill to tickle ones balls with ones tongue. Hard work and dedication

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2010, 01:49:28 AM »

shot putters and sumo wrestlers do not look "athletic" either


we dont define athletes as people who bodies are "fit" and perform activities that are of strenght or cardiovascular benefit................a thletes are people who use their body and naturally aquires traits and movements to perform in some kind of physical or competitive context 

when i was 13 i won the australian boomerang throwing championship against older competitors and some americans who came over..........athlete? doubt it
but under this reasoning i guess i am.......nice

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2010, 01:57:07 AM »
Bodybuilders are athletes. It takes skill to tickle ones balls with ones tongue. Hard work and dedication

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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2010, 01:57:45 AM »
when i was 13 i won the australian boomerang throwing championship against older competitors and some americans who came over..........athlete? doubt it
but under this reasoning i guess i am.......nice



well once again they call golfers athletes

how is throwing a boomerang and less "athletic" then golf

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2010, 02:18:41 AM »
i just can't bring myself to say athlete and golf in the same sentence......
or that annoying crap of darts championships ...... on cable tv these fat gronks one beer in left hand whilst lining up the shot and the commentator saying ' pressure on these athletes is intense'..... ffs

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2010, 02:23:12 AM »
even if bodybuilding doesnt fit historic parameters that we use to define a "sport"



bodybuilders are still athletes...........

i agree 100%. as long as jokes like golf and such are called sport, bodybuilding IS a sport.

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2010, 02:47:25 AM »
I think the label is "contestant", this is a muscle pagaent.

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2010, 07:15:22 AM »
ATHLETE


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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2010, 07:51:29 AM »
When dieted down for competition bodybuilders look very athletic.  But, when you see many of the European guys sitting outside smoking cigarettes, it makes you wonder if you'd see the same thing at an event like the Olympics? 

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2010, 07:52:37 AM »
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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2010, 08:08:52 AM »
if we live in a world where tiger woods is called an athlete, and golf is called a "sport"


bodybuilders are certainly athletes



Pretty much. In it's purest form there are not a lot of sports that i would deem athletic.
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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2010, 08:16:25 AM »
 There is no skill involved in bodybuilding, its a genetics and drug game. Atleast golf takes the development of talent.

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2010, 08:48:23 AM »
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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2010, 08:49:25 AM »
There is no skill involved in bodybuilding, its a genetics and drug game. Atleast golf takes the development of talent.

Yup......BTW, this gimmick started this threat to bait me.

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2010, 09:00:41 AM »
There is no skill involved in bodybuilding, its a genetics and drug game. Atleast golf takes the development of talent.


your an idiot

how can one person be responsible for SO MANY ridiculous observations

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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2010, 09:02:34 AM »

your an idiot

how can one person be responsible for SO MANY ridiculous observations

What kind of skills does it take? I think it's a great observation.

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Re: If you were a PRO
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2010, 09:02:53 AM »

your an idiot

how can one person be responsible for SO MANY ridiculous observations
responsible ???