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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/mcdonalds-fights-back-report-drop-health-care-plan/story?id=11764596 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/mcdonalds-fights-back-report-drop-health-care-plan/story?id=11764596)
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Don't you just hate it when people just flat out lie?
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Don't you just hate it when people just flat out lie?
Then you must really be displeased with the POTUS
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Don't you just hate it when people just flat out lie?
Look TU - I posted thousands of threads BEFORE obamacare was passed as to how bad it was, and very few listened. Tough shit.
I wish only that those who supported obamaCare would be those who lose health coverage and not those who were against it.
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Then you must really be displeased with the POTUS
I am in a great many ways... Yes.
Look TU - I posted thousands of threads BEFORE obamacare was passed as to how bad it was, and very few listened. Tough shit.
I wish only that those who supported obamaCare would be those who lose health coverage and not those who were against it.
I do agree that any legislation that causes people to actually lose what healthcare they have, if they desire to keep it, is pretty poorly written legislation.
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I am in a great many ways... Yes.
I do agree that any legislation that causes people to actually lose what healthcare they have, if they desire to keep it, is pretty poorly written legislation.
The irony is that the hippocratic oath is "first do no harm". They did the opposite with this mess. An TU - trust me - when millions get moved to Medicaid - your state taxes are going to get rocked since the states pick up 50% of the medicaid tab. this was one of the major lies obama told in this mess as far as the cost goes.
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The irony is that the hippocratic oath is "first do no harm". They did the opposite with this mess. An TU - trust me - when millions get moved to Medicaid - your state taxes are going to get rocked since the states pick up 50% of the medicaid tab. this was one of the major lies obama told in this mess as far as the cost goes.
So making sure that kids are not dropped by the insurance companies anymore due to pre existing conditions qualifies as doing harm in your opinion?? While the legislation is anything but perfect you have to admit there are a couple of provisions that WILL HELP consumers, in case you want to be objective.
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So making sure that kids are not dropped by the insurance companies anymore due to pre existing conditions qualifies as doing harm in your opinion?? While the legislation is anything but perfect you have to admit there are a couple of provisions that WILL HELP consumers, in case you want to be objective.
That's a fair point as well... There is some good stuff in there too I'd say.
Again, I ask people... if I were the President and I cut back spending in other areas and it pays for this healthcare bill and your taxes were guaranteed not to go up.
Would you still be against it? If so, why?
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So making sure that kids are not dropped by the insurance companies anymore due to pre existing conditions qualifies as doing harm in your opinion?? While the legislation is anything but perfect you have to admit there are a couple of provisions that WILL HELP consumers, in case you want to be objective.
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This is why you are a lib - you latch onto heart string issues and don't look at the overall impact of this disaster.
ObamaCare is a complete farce and most of the issues brough up could have been addressed at little cost to everyone else without the Rube Goldberg'esq structure they built.
dude - wake up already.
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So making sure that kids are not dropped by the insurance companies anymore due to pre existing conditions qualifies as doing harm in your opinion?? While the legislation is anything but perfect you have to admit there are a couple of provisions that WILL HELP consumers, in case you want to be objective.
SO,KEEPING KIDS ON THEIR PARENTS HEALTH INSURANCE UNTIL THEY ARE 26 IS A GOOD IDEA?How about they go out and get a freaking job...oh wait Imam Obama is in charge,there are no jobs.
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SO,KEEPING KIDS ON THEIR PARENTS HEALTH INSURANCE UNTIL THEY ARE 26 IS A GOOD IDEA?How about they go out and get a freaking job...oh wait Imam Obama is in charge,there are no jobs.
Kids are already on there until they are 24 I think.
What's a couple of years?
I was on my parents insurance until I was 22 and I had a job and insurance on my own.
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Kids are already on there until they are 24 I think.
What's a couple of years?
I was on my parents insurance until I was 22 and I had a job and insurance on my own.
They should have created a high deductible low premium policy for young people that is inexpensive just in the case of emergency without covering all sorts of crap like they did.
TU - you really need to look into the Medicaid aspaect of this disaster. obama lied so bad on this its not funny and your state taxes are going to explode because of this.
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This is why you are a lib - you latch onto heart string issues and don't look at the overall impact of this disaster.
ObamaCare is a complete farce and most of the issues brough up could have been addressed at little cost to everyone else without the Rube Goldberg'esq structure they built.
dude - wake up already.
As I asked Billy in a different thread ( he never answered) , I'm gonna ask you the same question. What if your kid was denied coverage and you exhausted all your options???? Don't tell me you would NOT be happy that this provision was enacted....give me a fucking break. ::)
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As I asked Billy in a different thread ( he never answered) , I'm gonna ask you the same question. What if your kid was denied coverage and you exhausted all your options???? Don't tell me you would NOT be happy that this provision was enacted....give me a fucking break. ::)
Unlike filthy lib idiots.Id work three or four or five jobs to make sure they got paid for.Id go to church and ask for help.This is America you can get help outside the filthy dirty rotten government.I dont want the filthy government,who spends us into oblivian on stupid ass things like the failed stimulus,dictating to companies their rules.
Lets take that trillion dollars Imam Obama wasted on crap,and put it into an account and get the 15 million people health care.Of course we cant do that because Imam Obama couldnt care less about sick kids,he is more interested in bankrupting insurance companies and paying off gangster unions.
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As I asked Billy in a different thread ( he never answered) , I'm gonna ask you the same question. What if your kid was denied coverage and you exhausted all your options???? Don't tell me you would NOT be happy that this provision was enacted....give me a fucking break. ::)
Again - these are case by case issues. Those stories are a fraction of the overall cases and could have been dealt with without destroying the 85% of peoples' coverage that works.
That is why you are a far far far left lib - you don't care about destroying what works for 85% of people, focus on a small minority, and destroy the entire system.
ObamaCare is going to cost TRILLIONS at a time we can't afford it and the lies this traitor told to sell it are disgusting.
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That's a fair point as well... There is some good stuff in there too I'd say.
Again, I ask people... if I were the President and I cut back spending in other areas and it pays for this healthcare bill and your taxes were guaranteed not to go up.
Would you still be against it? If so, why?
Yes I would be against it just like I am against any other shit the federal government does that exceeds its constitutional authority. Where do think HMO's came from in the first place? The federal government.
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It's bad PR to drop it. Like it or not McDonalds is not going to drop health care. Starbucks is the same, they had the option to drop health care before Obama care but Shultz made it a non starter by saying health care is important to the workers and the workers are important to the company. Those companies that don't adapt to this will miss out when the job market becomes more favorable to employees.
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It's bad PR to drop it. Like it or not McDonalds is not going to drop health care. Starbucks is the same, they had the option to drop health care before Obama care but Shultz made it a non starter by saying health care is important to the workers and the workers are important to the company. Those companies that don't adapt to this will miss out when the job market becomes more favorable to employees.
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No wonder we have obama as POTUS with a mentality like this.
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It's bad PR to drop it. Like it or not McDonalds is not going to drop health care. Starbucks is the same, they had the option to drop health care before Obama care but Shultz made it a non starter by saying health care is important to the workers and the workers are important to the company. Those companies that don't adapt to this will miss out when the job market becomes more favorable to employees.
By the time the job market gets better,health care will have been repealed and Obama will be in jail hopefully.
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Sucker!
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No wonder we have obama as POTUS with a mentality like this.
What you don't think employees hold any sway?
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What you don't think employees hold any sway?
Its the system we have, sadly. It was started during WW2 and grew from there.
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Its the system we have, sadly. It was started during WW2 and grew from there.
Explain...
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Explain...
During WW2, employers, inexchange for paying out more to workers in salary, paid for health care and other benes. it was a way to hold off wage inflation during the war. It was never meant to be what it turned in to.
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During WW2, employers, inexchange for paying out more to workers in salary, paid for health care and other benes. it was a way to hold off wage inflation during the war. It was never meant to be what it turned in to.
I see what you're getting at. It may not have meant to be permanent or apart of the current job market but it is and has been for decades. Benefits are important and will continue to be, it's a natural evolution for workers to be compensated not just in cash. Benefits are becoming more and more important to people today. Cash is still king but the option of working for a company that provides meals for example is not one easily passed up. Or provides extra holiday time, better dental plans etc. That is where the best employees move to. Take google for example. No way a company like that continues to draw in the best talent like it does if it just offers straight cash compensation. In fact they don't offer the best cash incentives for a lot of workers. But they offer the best compensation package including benefits, meals, flexibility etc.
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Healthcare benes won't pay the bills, so unless you have a costly illness, cash is still king. I'd prefer a system with no health insurance, but an employer contribution to a health savings account that can build up over the years for any costly treatment. Medical expenses are already high enough, why are we paying for a service that adds no value?
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No, You Can't Keep Your Current Health Coverage
By Andrew Cline on 9.30.10 @ 6:09AM
There's a reason President Obama tries so hard to convince Americans not to watch Fox News. He keeps shamelessly lying about easily verifiable facts. Evidently he figures that left-leaning media outlets won't call him on it, so if he can only convince people not to watch FOX, he'll be OK. Unfortunately for the president, the American people simply have to look around them to see that he isn't being honest with them.
Campaigning in Des Moines, Iowa, yesterday, the President repeated his biggest health care reform whopper: You can keep your current health insurance. Here is what he said:
"There's nothing in the bill that says you have to change the health insurance you've got right now. If you were already getting health insurance on your job, then that doesn't change."
Yet hours before he uttered that line, the Boston Globe reported that Harvard Pilgrim Health Care was canceling its Medicare Advantage coverage specifically because of new regulations imposed by Obama's health care law.
The decision "was prompted by a freeze in federal reimbursements and a new requirement that insurers offering the kind of product sold by Harvard Pilgrim -- a Medicare Advantage private fee for service plan -- form a contracted network of doctors who agree to participate for a negotiated amount of money. Under current rules, patients can seek care from any doctor," the Globe reported.
Note: even if Harvard Pilgrim had kept its Medicare Advantage plan, the law would have required it to offer the service through doctors who agree "to participate for a negotiated amount of money." That means that, contrary to Obama's claim that you can keep your current doctor as well as your current insurance, the law requires Medicare Advantage providers to create HMO-style physician networks, in which your doctor might or might not agree to participate.
For New Englanders, Harvard Pilgrim's decision is pretty big news. That company's Medicare Advantage plan covered 22,000 people. Every one of them will have to switch insurers, and possibly doctors, because of Obamacare. For everyone else, it is a warning of things to come.
Obama's claim began to unravel last year, and when reporters (including some in the mainstream media) began to expose it as untrue, he revised it. In a June 23, 2009 press conference, he offered this clarification in response to a question from Jake Tapper of ABC News:
"When I say if you have your plan and you like it, or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."
That is deliberately misleading. As Politifact.com noted in an August, 2009 post that rated Obama's claim half-true, "It's not realistic for Obama to make blanket statements that 'you' will be able to 'keep your health care plan.' It seems like rhetoric intended to soothe people that health care reform will not be overly disruptive. But one of the points of reform is to change the way health care works right now."
Exactly. An honest claim would be that the changes imposed by this new law will result in many Americans losing either their coverage as it exists now or their doctor -- or both.
Politifact and others have rated as technically true Obama's claim that "the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform." But that is not true, either. The law mandates that health insurers change the coverage they offer. Insurers have to offer coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and to policyholders' children up to age 26. So technically, the law did change your health care plan.
As a direct result of those and other mandates, insurers will then implement further changes. For example, on Monday before last (more than a week before Obama again claimed that the law won't make you change your coverage), reports broke that several major insurers planned to stop offering new child-only coverage because of the health care law
"Some of the country's most prominent health insurance companies have decided to stop offering new child-only plans, rather than comply with rules in the new health-care law that will require such plans to start accepting children with preexisting medical conditions after Sept. 23," the Washington Post reported on September 20.
The law is only just beginning to take effect, and already insurers are dropping coverage for tens of thousands of Americans because of its burdensome mandates. There will be a lot more of this as additional Obamacare regulations become active. And yet the president still claims that the law won't make you change your coverage or your doctor. Is it any wonder he doesn't want Americans to get their information from news outlets that will check his claims?
Letter to the Editor
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Andrew Cline is editorial page editor of the New Hampshire Union Leader. His Twitter ID is Drewhampshire.
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Health Plans Face Scrutiny Amid McDonald's Move
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 09-30-10 | JANET ADAMY
The Obama administration said Thursday that its top health official will "exercise her discretion" in enforcing a new health-law requirement, a move that could prevent McDonald's Corp. and other employers from disrupting their health-care policies for hourly workers.
The announcement Thursday followed a report in The Wall Street Journal that McDonald's warned federal regulators it could drop its health-insurance plan for nearly 30,000 restaurant workers unless regulators waive a new requirement of the health overhaul. The requirement, known as the minimum medical loss ratio, concerns the percentage of revenue received from premiums that must be spent on benefits.
McDonald's is among the retailers and restaurant chains that offer a "mini-med" limited benefit. Most of these plans don't meet a 2011 requirement that they spend 80% to 85% of premiums on medical benefits instead of overhead expenses.
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