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Accused of committing the "crime" of "Hate Speech."
It reminds a year or so back where some Islamic fundamentalist boasted about how much easier than they thought it would be to conquer Europe. That they are not even putting up a fight and it's just a matter of time before they are conquered. . They are just essentially moving in and imposing their laws without much resistance and in many cases support from the sitting government.
Don't think it can't happen here in the U.S. Complacency kills.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-01/dutch-anti-islam-leader-wilders-who-supports-government-to-face-hate-trial.html
Dutch Politician Wilders Faces Hate Speech Trial Over Comments on Islam
By Jurjen van de Pol - Oct 1, 2010
Geert Wilders, a Dutch political party leader who has agreed to support the first minority government in the country since World War II, will go on trial in an Amsterdam court next week for inciting hatred and insulting Muslims.
Wilders, head of the Freedom Party, called the Koran “fascist” and compared it to Adolf Hitler’s book Mein Kampf in a 2007 Dutch newspaper editorial, which led to complaints. A year later, he released his movie “Fitna,” in which he calls on Muslims to rip out “hate-preaching” verses from the book.
“The Court of Appeal considers criminal prosecution obvious for the insult of Islamic worshippers,” when Wilders compared parts of Islam with Nazism, it ruled last year, overturning a 2008 decision not to charge him.
The trial coincides with the formation of a new minority government led by the Liberal Party and Christian Democratic Alliance, which relies on Wilder’s Freedom Party to pass legislation. The government plans to ban full-face Islamic veils, a key issue for Wilders’ party, which more than doubled its representation in parliament in June elections.
Prosecutors, who charged Wilders a year ago, said more than 40 people reported his editorial comments to the police while others complained about his film.
“If you voice your opinion you run the risk of being prosecuted,” Wilders has said on his website. He didn’t return a text message today seeking comment ahead of the trial.
15-Minute Film
Wilders, 47, is charged with insulting a group of people, inciting hatred and inciting discrimination with his comments, the court said on its website. Wilders may face as many as two years in prison or be fined as much as 19,000 euros ($26,000).
Wilders released his film “Fitna” on the Internet in March 2008. The 15-minute movie features verses from the Koran alongside images of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The movie led to protests in majority-Muslim countries including Indonesia and Pakistan and prompted calls for a boycott of Dutch products in Malaysia.
Wilders, who is under constant police protection, is scheduled to appear in court in Amsterdam on Oct. 4 at 9 a.m. local time. The entire trial will be webcast, which is unusual in the Netherlands, and a ruling is expected Nov. 2.
To contact the reporter on this story: Jurjen van de Pol in Amsterdam at jvandepol@bloomberg.net.
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Oh shit a racist goes on trial, this will really get people going. Almost as much as....
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Oh shit a racist goes on trial, this will really get people going. Almost as much as....
The question is not whether you think he is a racist but should it be illegal to criticize Islam? Should it be illegal to be a racist?
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The question is not whether you think he is a racist but should it be illegal to criticize Islam? Should it be illegal to be a racist?
It shouldn't be illegal to be racist, which would make more people racist. But Islam is not a race, but a religion...people try to hard to blur the lines. Also the Hitler comparisons, come on, if anything, Muhammad was before Hitler, but the whole Hitler comparison starts to lose it's kick when you compare everybody to him...
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It shouldn't be illegal to be racist, which would make more people racist. But Islam is not a race, but a religion...people try to hard to blur the lines. Also the Hitler comparisons, come on, if anything, Muhammad was before Hitler, but the whole Hitler comparison starts to lose it's kick when you compare everybody to him...
Excellent point. Many conflate Muslims with Islamic Fundamentalist. And of course Goodwin's law and Reductio ad Hitlerum is still alive and well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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The question is not whether you think he is a racist but should it be illegal to criticize Islam? Should it be illegal to be a racist?
its ok to be critical towards pedophiles.....so why should it be illegal to critical towards the source of it?
these filthy sub humans shouldnt be allowed to voice their opinions on this matter.......the world moved out of the dark ages....so fuck them if they cant do the same...
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Not so sure people should have the right to form religions and believe whatever they like. Sounds good in principle but philosophically it is primitive. The masses resemble our uncouth, unwashed Flotsam and imagine having to live among that! All religions should be tossed in the philosophical garbage bin.
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Not so sure people should have the right to form religions and believe whatever they like. Sounds good in principle but philosophically it is primitive. The masses resemble our uncouth, unwashed Flotsam and imagine having to live among that! All religions should be tossed in the philosophical garbage bin.
Rating: Flotsam: 60%; Jetsam: 40%
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Rating: Flotsam: 60%; Jetsam: 40%
how many rushing yards did Flotsam have this past wekend :D :D
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Not so sure people should have the right to form religions and believe whatever they like. Sounds good in principle but philosophically it is primitive. The masses resemble our uncouth, unwashed Flotsam and imagine having to live among that! All religions should be tossed in the philosophical garbage bin.
I wish we could harvest your brain for science dog food.
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how many rushing yards did Flotsam have this past wekend :D :D
Damn You! ;D
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Can you imagine the dismay of the native people who saw invasions of religious flotsam in America, Canada, Central America, Africa, Australia, etc.!? What a travesty and what a sorry legacy. All religions are total rubbish and that includes Christianity. Rubbish bin and replace it with humanism and we would all be better off.
I am personally highly offended by churches, ceremonies, TV programs and other rubbish that pervades our societies. We need less of this bullshit instead of invasions of more of that Middle East lunacy.
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Oh shit a racist goes on trial, this will really get people going. Almost as much as....
ROFL at that pic
also,
R.I.P. europe.
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Can you imagine the dismay of the native people who saw invasions of religious flotsam in America, Canada, Central America, Africa, Australia, etc.!? What a travesty and what a sorry legacy. All religions are total rubbish and that includes Christianity. Rubbish bin and replace it with humanism and we would all be better off.
I am personally highly offended by churches, ceremonies, TV programs and other rubbish that pervades our societies. We need less of this bullshit instead of invasions of more of that Middle East lunacy.
but are you are drunk!? Dismay? Travesty? Legacy? Rubbish? Rubbish? Rubbish? Bullshit?
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but are you are drunk!? Dismay? Travesty? Legacy? Rubbish? Rubbish? Rubbish? Bullshit?
nah it's just Vince Basile who is a very bitter old lonely man..
Probably lonelier than Stephen Hawkin's body
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Religious people are allowed to say we're all going to burn in hell for eternity for not accepting their prophets as our savior. Calling their holy book akin to Mein Kampf is just equal treatment.
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You can say what you want the guys a racist prick. When bono, or some other fag gets in shit for this stuff, then Ill take action and vote.
Can you imagine the dismay of the native people who saw invasions of religious flotsam in America, Canada, Central America, Africa, Australia, etc.!? What a travesty and what a sorry legacy. All religions are total rubbish and that includes Christianity. Rubbish bin and replace it with humanism and we would all be better off.
I am personally highly offended by churches, ceremonies, TV programs and other rubbish that pervades our societies. We need less of this bullshit instead of invasions of more of that Middle East lunacy.
Can I imagine, no I just goto toronto and its the same dam thing.
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yes i am following it live stream on the moment, its a disgrace hes standing on trial for just saying things that he has on his mind. as long as people do not call up to violence people should be able to say everything they want (We explicitly dont want a culture of suing in our country like the americans)
if its in good taste or not. but religious people tend to have have the monopolysm on the truth.
The judge in this case already made a few remarks indicating hes not objective.
Dont forget our filmmaker Theo van Gogh was slaughtered in cold blood in the streets of Amsterdam for criticising islam.
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Maybe this shit will cause ww3 who knows.
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Regardless he calls islamsist culture retarted and stupid, I'm sure hes out to debate. ::) I think the laws are good. We won't have idiots voiceing childish opinions. No one is gonna get behind a guy like that, we need someone that can still play the game.
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nah it's just Vince Basile who is a very bitter old lonely man..
Probably lonelier than Stephen Hawkin's body
That's hogwash! I'll have you horse whipped for indulging in such trivial flimflam, pansy littered, idle talk such as that!
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He's never (to my knowledge) said anything completely untrue. Yes he polarizes, yes he distorts, yes he cherry-picks, yes he hypes things up. But you know what? He's a politician. That's in his job description. He's being targeted because he had the gall to do it to Islam. If he'd been like this or worse with Christianity, his voice would have drowned in the sea of similar sounds.
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Regardless he calls islamsist culture retarted and stupid, I'm sure hes out to debate. ::)
It's irrelevant if he is out to debate or not. The question is: Should criticizing a religion, any religion, be a crime? The answer is obviously NO.
I think the laws are good.
We agree. It's those laws which will set him free.
No one is gonna get behind a guy like that,
You mean besides the 1.5 million who voted for him? Not mentioning the ones who agree with him, but voted for the party that overwhelmingly won this election?
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It's irrelevant if he is out to debate or not. The question is: Should criticizing a religion, any religion, be a crime? The answer is obviously NO.
this
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wait until the start trying to force westerners to accept sharia law.........
these savages are lucky im not in charge..........they would think I was the fucking devil incarnate
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this
It is because people won't repeal a law that only assholes are getting penalyzed for.
wait until the start trying to force westerners to accept sharia law.........
these savages are lucky im not in charge..........they would think was the fucking devil incarnate
Vote get active do something then.
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It is because people won't repeal a law that only assholes are getting penalyzed for. Vote get active do something then.
fuck voting , the two party is a mechanism which ensures zero dissent and zero change
and i could never be a leader of men.........the reason least of which is monetary
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fuck voting , the two party is a mechanism which ensures zero dissent and zero change
and i could never be a leader of men.........the reason least of which is monetary
Protests and shit can do wonders if people give a shit.
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fuck voting , the two party is a mechanism which ensures zero dissent and zero change
and i could never be a leader of men.........the reason least of which is monetary
Vote third party. Wilders' party didn't exist until a few years ago. Now it's a major player in Dutch politics. Hit the right chord with people, and the votes will come.
Also, don't forget, just the threat of Wilders (and before him of Fortuyn) gaining mass acceptance caused a massive shift to the right in the established parties. If they hadn't gone right, the PVV would be much bigger now.
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Vote third party. Wilders' party didn't exist until a few years ago. Now it's a major player in Dutch politics. Hit the right chord with people, and the votes will come.
Also, don't forget, just the threat of Wilders (and before him of Fortuyn) gaining mass acceptance caused a massive shift to the right in the established parties. If they hadn't gone right, the PVV would be much bigger now.
well im from america.....so i cant
but as for your post, its a very astute analysis
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well im from america.....so i cant
but as for your post, its a very astute analysis
I thought america was the greatest country on earth with the most freedom imaginable, where anti hate laws don't even exist. ::)
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Fuck Islam.
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well im from america.....so i cant
Vote Perot! ;D
but as for your post, its a very astute analysis
Thanks.
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I thought america was the greatest country on earth with the most freedom imaginable, where anti hate laws don't even exist. ::)
America WAS the greatest country on earth........
actually it still IS.......but thats nothing to brag about, it s like being the fastest retarded kind in the special olympics
the world is fucked, its curtains for white people.........and the sad thing is, we did it to ourselves with our self-loathing, white-guilt ridden intellectuals perverting the minds of the stupid
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America WAS the greatest country on earth........
actually it still IS.......but thats nothing to brag about, it s like being the fastest retarded kind in the special olympics
the world is fucked, its curtains for white people.........and the sad thing is, we did it to ourselves with our self-loathing, white-guilt ridden intellectuals perverting the minds of the stupid
when you say white do you include Jews? clearly Jewdism is a religion and seperate from skin color but I am curious about your answer.
from what I see only the Jews are winning which flies in the face of your "its' curtains for white people"
Como estas? habla espanol? lol ;) learn it friend
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when you say white do you include Jews? clearly Jewdism is a religion and seperate from skin color but I am curious about your answer.
from what I see only the Jews are winning which flies in the face of your "its' curtains for white people"
Como estas? habla espanol? lol ;) learn it friend
when i say "white" i do not mean jews
they are a separate entity that many of these problems can be attributed to.........
the reason whites are so castrated in the first place, is a conscious and direct action of the jews
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Let me move there and I'll show them some hate speech on that filthy religion.
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Let me move there and I'll show them some hate speech on that filthy religion.
More power to you 8)
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wait until the start trying to force westerners to accept sharia law.........
these savages are lucky im not in charge..........they would think I was the fucking devil incarnate
As long as we have guys like you and Benchmstr, men with fire in their hearts, we still have hope.
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As long as we have guys like you and Benchmstr, men with fire in their hearts, we still have hope.
haha
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The question is not whether you think he is a racist but should it be illegal to criticize Islam? Should it be illegal to be a racist?
Spot on. Europe is going down the gutter.