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Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« on: October 05, 2010, 04:33:17 PM »
Accused of committing the "crime" of "Hate Speech."

It reminds a year or so back where some Islamic fundamentalist boasted about how much easier than they thought it would be to conquer Europe. That they are not even putting up a fight and it's just a matter of time before they are conquered. . They are just essentially moving in and imposing their laws without much resistance and in many cases support from the sitting government.

Don't think it can't happen here in the U.S. Complacency kills.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-01/dutch-anti-islam-leader-wilders-who-supports-government-to-face-hate-trial.html

Dutch Politician Wilders Faces Hate Speech Trial Over Comments on Islam
By Jurjen van de Pol - Oct 1, 2010

Geert Wilders, a Dutch political party leader who has agreed to support the first minority government in the country since World War II, will go on trial in an Amsterdam court next week for inciting hatred and insulting Muslims.

Wilders, head of the Freedom Party, called the Koran “fascist” and compared it to Adolf Hitler’s book Mein Kampf in a 2007 Dutch newspaper editorial, which led to complaints. A year later, he released his movie “Fitna,” in which he calls on Muslims to rip out “hate-preaching” verses from the book.

“The Court of Appeal considers criminal prosecution obvious for the insult of Islamic worshippers,” when Wilders compared parts of Islam with Nazism, it ruled last year, overturning a 2008 decision not to charge him.

The trial coincides with the formation of a new minority government led by the Liberal Party and Christian Democratic Alliance, which relies on Wilder’s Freedom Party to pass legislation. The government plans to ban full-face Islamic veils, a key issue for Wilders’ party, which more than doubled its representation in parliament in June elections.

Prosecutors, who charged Wilders a year ago, said more than 40 people reported his editorial comments to the police while others complained about his film.

“If you voice your opinion you run the risk of being prosecuted,” Wilders has said on his website. He didn’t return a text message today seeking comment ahead of the trial.

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Wilders, 47, is charged with insulting a group of people, inciting hatred and inciting discrimination with his comments, the court said on its website. Wilders may face as many as two years in prison or be fined as much as 19,000 euros ($26,000).

Wilders released his film “Fitna” on the Internet in March 2008. The 15-minute movie features verses from the Koran alongside images of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The movie led to protests in majority-Muslim countries including Indonesia and Pakistan and prompted calls for a boycott of Dutch products in Malaysia.

Wilders, who is under constant police protection, is scheduled to appear in court in Amsterdam on Oct. 4 at 9 a.m. local time. The entire trial will be webcast, which is unusual in the Netherlands, and a ruling is expected Nov. 2.

To contact the reporter on this story: Jurjen van de Pol in Amsterdam at jvandepol@bloomberg.net.

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2010, 04:38:57 PM »
 Oh shit a racist goes on trial, this will really get people going. Almost as much as....

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2010, 05:04:07 PM »
Oh shit a racist goes on trial, this will really get people going. Almost as much as....

The question is not whether you think he is a racist but should it be illegal to criticize Islam? Should it be illegal to be a racist?

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2010, 05:10:03 PM »
The question is not whether you think he is a racist but should it be illegal to criticize Islam? Should it be illegal to be a racist?
It shouldn't be illegal to be racist, which would make more people racist. But Islam is not a race, but a religion...people try to hard to blur the lines. Also the Hitler comparisons, come on, if anything, Muhammad was before Hitler, but the whole Hitler comparison starts to lose it's kick when you compare everybody to him...

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2010, 05:18:21 PM »
It shouldn't be illegal to be racist, which would make more people racist. But Islam is not a race, but a religion...people try to hard to blur the lines. Also the Hitler comparisons, come on, if anything, Muhammad was before Hitler, but the whole Hitler comparison starts to lose it's kick when you compare everybody to him...

Excellent point. Many conflate Muslims with Islamic Fundamentalist. And of course Goodwin's law and Reductio ad Hitlerum is still alive and well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2010, 05:42:17 PM »
The question is not whether you think he is a racist but should it be illegal to criticize Islam? Should it be illegal to be a racist?
its ok to be critical towards pedophiles.....so why should it be illegal to critical towards the source of it?


these filthy sub humans shouldnt be allowed to voice their opinions on this matter.......the world moved out of the dark ages....so fuck them if they cant do the same...

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2010, 06:46:42 PM »
Not so sure people should have the right to form religions and believe whatever they like. Sounds good in principle but philosophically it is primitive. The masses resemble our uncouth, unwashed Flotsam and imagine having to live among that! All religions should be tossed in the philosophical garbage bin.

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2010, 06:50:54 PM »
Not so sure people should have the right to form religions and believe whatever they like. Sounds good in principle but philosophically it is primitive. The masses resemble our uncouth, unwashed Flotsam and imagine having to live among that! All religions should be tossed in the philosophical garbage bin.
Rating: Flotsam: 60%; Jetsam: 40%

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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2010, 07:03:14 PM »
Rating: Flotsam: 60%; Jetsam: 40%

how many rushing yards did Flotsam have this past wekend :D :D

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2010, 07:10:06 PM »
Not so sure people should have the right to form religions and believe whatever they like. Sounds good in principle but philosophically it is primitive. The masses resemble our uncouth, unwashed Flotsam and imagine having to live among that! All religions should be tossed in the philosophical garbage bin.

I wish we could harvest your brain for science dog food.

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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2010, 07:13:24 PM »
how many rushing yards did Flotsam have this past wekend :D :D
Damn You!   ;D

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2010, 07:44:06 PM »
Can you imagine the dismay of the native people who saw invasions of religious flotsam in America, Canada, Central America, Africa, Australia, etc.!? What a travesty and what a sorry legacy. All religions are total rubbish and that includes Christianity. Rubbish bin and replace it with humanism and we would all be better off.

I am personally highly offended by churches, ceremonies, TV programs and other rubbish that pervades our societies. We need less of this bullshit instead of invasions of more of that Middle East lunacy.

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2010, 07:58:36 PM »
Oh shit a racist goes on trial, this will really get people going. Almost as much as....

ROFL at that pic

also,

R.I.P. europe.

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2010, 08:03:13 PM »
Can you imagine the dismay of the native people who saw invasions of religious flotsam in America, Canada, Central America, Africa, Australia, etc.!? What a travesty and what a sorry legacy. All religions are total rubbish and that includes Christianity. Rubbish bin and replace it with humanism and we would all be better off.

I am personally highly offended by churches, ceremonies, TV programs and other rubbish that pervades our societies. We need less of this bullshit instead of invasions of more of that Middle East lunacy.


but are you are drunk!? Dismay? Travesty? Legacy? Rubbish? Rubbish? Rubbish? Bullshit? 

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2010, 09:47:13 PM »
but are you are drunk!? Dismay? Travesty? Legacy? Rubbish? Rubbish? Rubbish? Bullshit? 

nah it's just Vince Basile who is a very bitter old lonely man..

Probably lonelier than Stephen Hawkin's body
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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2010, 03:06:04 AM »
Religious people are allowed to say we're all going to burn in hell for eternity for not accepting their prophets as our savior. Calling their holy book akin to Mein Kampf is just equal treatment.

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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2010, 03:18:26 AM »
You can say what you want the guys a racist prick. When bono, or some other fag gets in shit for this stuff, then Ill take action and vote.
Can you imagine the dismay of the native people who saw invasions of religious flotsam in America, Canada, Central America, Africa, Australia, etc.!? What a travesty and what a sorry legacy. All religions are total rubbish and that includes Christianity. Rubbish bin and replace it with humanism and we would all be better off.

I am personally highly offended by churches, ceremonies, TV programs and other rubbish that pervades our societies. We need less of this bullshit instead of invasions of more of that Middle East lunacy.

Can I imagine, no I just goto toronto and its the same dam thing.

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2010, 03:31:57 AM »
yes i am following it live stream on the moment, its a disgrace hes standing on trial for just saying things that he has on his mind. as long as people do not call up to violence people should be able to say everything they want (We explicitly dont want a culture of suing in our country like the americans)
if its in good taste or not. but religious people tend to have have the monopolysm on the truth.
The judge in this case already made a few remarks indicating hes not objective.
Dont forget our filmmaker Theo van Gogh was slaughtered in cold blood in the streets of Amsterdam for criticising islam.

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2010, 03:55:27 AM »
Maybe this shit will cause ww3 who knows.

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2010, 04:01:56 AM »
Regardless he calls islamsist culture retarted and stupid, I'm sure hes out to debate. ::) I think the laws are good. We won't have idiots voiceing childish opinions. No one is gonna get behind a guy like that, we need someone that can still play the game.

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2010, 04:06:37 AM »
nah it's just Vince Basile who is a very bitter old lonely man..

Probably lonelier than Stephen Hawkin's body
That's hogwash! I'll have you horse whipped for indulging in such trivial flimflam, pansy littered, idle talk such as that!

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2010, 04:08:27 AM »
He's never (to my knowledge) said anything completely untrue. Yes he polarizes, yes he distorts, yes he cherry-picks, yes he hypes things up. But you know what? He's a politician. That's in his job description. He's being targeted because he had the gall to do it to Islam. If he'd been like this or worse with Christianity, his voice would have drowned in the sea of similar sounds.

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2010, 04:19:25 AM »
Regardless he calls islamsist culture retarted and stupid, I'm sure hes out to debate. ::)
It's irrelevant if he is out to debate or not. The question is: Should criticizing a religion, any religion, be a crime? The answer is obviously NO.

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I think the laws are good.
We agree. It's those laws which will set him free.

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No one is gonna get behind a guy like that,
You mean besides the 1.5 million who voted for him? Not mentioning the ones who agree with him, but voted for the party that overwhelmingly won this election?

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Re: Dutch Party leader goes to trial for criticizing Islam
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2010, 04:26:13 AM »
It's irrelevant if he is out to debate or not. The question is: Should criticizing a religion, any religion, be a crime? The answer is obviously NO.


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