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I'm curios to know since I hopefully will be starting my studies this upcoming january.
How was the studying? Same level of brutal as med school or easier? I've heard that chemical engineering is pretty damn difficult and that other types of engineering can vary depending on the school etc. Did you enjoy it?
Job prospects?
Any tips/hints?
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it's hard to say what is tougher but my concern is the years of hard work only to be faced with bleak employment prospects. Engineering as a whole is almost impossible to get in to. I did my BS in computer science and used to work as a programmer. Getting a job is almost impossible.
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im an industrial engineer, but knew plenty of ME's that were friends. It's about the same as a civil / industrial / etc. Chem E is probably your hardest engineering with Petroleum as 2nd.
most mechanicals dbl major...with mechanical and aerospace.
as far as comparing it to med school, how would an engineer know whether its harder or easier?
i worked a few years as an engineer and now im back in school and applying to med school this coming summer or fall. im assuming its probably about the same level of difficulty as getting an engineering degree, but who knows.
The people I've met that have gone to med school pretty much ceased to have a life whereas I'm not sure that's the case with engineers.
Did you work in the states or overseas? Where would you say the most jobs are right now or in the upcoming future?
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it's hard to say what is tougher but my concern is the years of hard work only to be faced with bleak employment prospects. Engineering as a whole is almost impossible to get in to. I did my BS in computer science and used to work as a programmer. Getting a job is almost impossible.
Are you referring to america or europe/asia? I didn't know it was that bad, at least not in europe.
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I'm curios to know since I'm hopefully will be starting my studies this upcoming january.
How was the studying? Same level of brutal as med school or easier? I've heard that chemical engineering is pretty damn difficult and that other types of engineering can vary depending on the school etc. Did you enjoy it?
i started out mechanical engineering and ended up doubling in bio/chem. i'd say engineering core courses were on par with chemistry (p-chem, quantitative analysis, etc), and you need eng based physics and mathematics for chem.
grad is another league.
Job prospects?
most would say electrical engineer equals more job opportunities
Any tips/hints?
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Ok here are my credentials, Bachelors in Systes Engineerin with a minor in Compute Science, Masters in Engineering Management, and now currently a PhD candidate in Industrial Engineering, I originally started off in the Mechanical Engineering program, and after a year and a half i found out about the development of the Systems Engineering program at our University I switched because I thought it was more suitable to what I wanted to do, all Engineering is pretty fucking hard, but if I had to rank them i would say Chemical Engineering and Electrical Engineering are the two hardest in the field with Mechanical as second place, but in comparison i would say medical school is harder much much more memorization, remember medical school is a graduate program, you can do engineering in undergrad, let me know if you have any other questions
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Wise field of study. Hardly hear of out of work mech engineers
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How was the studying? Same level of brutal as med school or easier?
Before I did my Environmental engineering, I did Civil engineering for a year and a half (shudders involuntarily), during which time I did a lot of ME subjects, from Physics (which was great) to Mechanics of Materials (very dry). ME subjects aren't the easiest ones out there and you really need to understand the underlying concepts, to be able to solve the problem, as opposed to Medicine, where it's mostly memorizing and organizing the stored information in an order in your mind.
If you work hard and do well the first and 2nd year, you'll know what you want to specialize in and will do well after that, so make sure you understand the basics. Good luck.
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Ok here are my credentials, Bachelors in Systes Engineerin with a minor in Compute Science, Masters in Engineering Management, and now currently a PhD candidate in Industrial Engineering, I originally started off in the Mechanical Engineering program, and after a year and a half i found out about the development of the Systems Engineering program at our University I switched because I thought it was more suitable to what I wanted to do, all Engineering is pretty fucking hard, but if I had to rank them i would say Chemical Engineering and Electrical Engineering are the two hardest in the field with Mechanical as second place, but in comparison i would say medical school is harder much much more memorization, remember medical school is a graduate program, you can do engineering in undergrad, let me know if you have any other questions
You are not a candidate yet. A PhD candidate is someone who has passed all their qualifying exams. PhD candidates are usually students in their last years. You are a PhD student!
"Usually a person is considered a PhD candidate after they pass their qualifying exam (at which point most have finished their coursework and just need to complete their dissertation)."
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Ok here are my credentials, Bachelors in Systes Engineerin with a minor in Compute Science, Masters in Engineering Management, and now currently a PhD candidate in Industrial Engineering, I originally started off in the Mechanical Engineering program, and after a year and a half i found out about the development of the Systems Engineering program at our University I switched because I thought it was more suitable to what I wanted to do, all Engineering is pretty fucking hard, but if I had to rank them i would say Chemical Engineering and Electrical Engineering are the two hardest in the field with Mechanical as second place, but in comparison i would say medical school is harder much much more memorization, remember medical school is a graduate program, you can do engineering in undergrad, let me know if you have any other questions
Wow that is pretty impressive. Much props.
So I do have a couple of questions. How much would you say that raw intelligence matters in these type of studies? Obviously someone with a 150+ IQ is more likely to do better than someone with 100, but I also heard that it's more a matter of determination. That if you got the will to do well in school that's usually most of what you're going to need.
How much would you say social skills matters as an engineer? I've talked to a couple of engineers and they emphasize the importance of being able to communicate with people and sell stuff rather than designing them.
On another note, I've met a lot of stupid doctors and dentists(a lot of smart ones too of course) but most engineers seem to have certain outlook on things which makes em seem "smarter" or well versed when it comes to dealing with various things in life. Would you agree with that?
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Before I did my Environmental engineering, I did Civil engineering for a year and a half (shudders involuntarily), during which time I did a lot of ME subjects, from Physics (which was great) to Mechanics of Materials (very dry). ME subjects aren't the easiest ones out there and you really need to understand the underlying concepts, to be able to solve the problem, as opposed to Medicine, where it's mostly memorizing and organizing the stored information in an order in your mind.
If you work hard and do well the first and 2nd year, you'll know what you want to specialize in and will do well after that, so make sure you understand the basics. Good luck.
I've heard that too, that the mechanics of materials classes suck really bad some times. I'll do my best to understand the basics!
Thanks 8)
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I'm curios to know since I hopefully will be starting my studies this upcoming january.
How was the studying? Same level of brutal as med school or easier? I've heard that chemical engineering is pretty damn difficult and that other types of engineering can vary depending on the school etc. Did you enjoy it?
Job prospects?
Any tips/hints?
I got my ME degree nearly 13 years ago. You'll likely be taking Calculus I, II, III, along with calculus-based physics (I took Physics I and II).
Throw in E-Math I and II, Mechanics of Materials, and Chemistry, and you have your foundation. Those are the Freshman/Sophomore classes.
As for job prospects, it depends on your location. If you live in the South, you'd better focus on HVAC-type stuff, as that's where the most use for mechanical engineers are, in this region of the country. If you do that, post-graduation, study to get your Professional Engineer (PE) license.
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im an industrial engineer, but knew plenty of ME's that were friends. It's about the same as a civil / industrial / etc. Chem E is probably your hardest engineering with Petroleum as 2nd.
most mechanicals dbl major...with mechanical and aerospace.
as far as comparing it to med school, how would an engineer know whether its harder or easier?
i worked a few years as an engineer and now im back in school and applying to med school this coming summer or fall. im assuming its probably about the same level of difficulty as getting an engineering degree, but who knows.
You also think the Universe is 6000 years old and Evolution is a lie. I don`t find you to be intelligent at all and your field is FILLED with shitbrains who think just like you.
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You also think the Universe is 6000 years old and Evolution is a lie. I don`t find you to be intelligent at all and your field is FILLED with shitbrains who think just like you.
lol he does? wow
You'd think the physics classes would at least give him some kind of knowledge when it comes to the age of the universe. Oh well, he still graduated and I still appreciate his input.
Where did your college degree go, Adonis?
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I got my ME degree nearly 13 years ago. You'll likely be taking Calculus I, II, III, along with calculus-based physics (I took Physics I and II).
Throw in E-Math I and II, Mechanics of Materials, and Chemistry, and you have your foundation. Those are the Freshman/Sophomore classes.
As for job prospects, it depends on your location. If you live in the South, you'd better focus on HVAC-type stuff, as that's where the most use for mechanical engineers are, in this region of the country. If you do that, post-graduation, study to get your Professional Engineer (PE) license.
You are another case where you believe the Magical Dead Zombie in the Sky is watching your every move and that you can speak to it. WHAT THE FUCK is WRONG with you Engineer Shit-Brains. Its rampant amongst your kind. I find it HIGHLY amusing that the majority of you can be so easily fooled and so damn stupid. WHY??????????
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Fucking morons the majority of them. Really stupid when it comes to Science and reality. They have a ficitious view of how the world operates. Its really strange.
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Fucking morons the majority of them. Really stupid when it comes to Science and reality. They have a ficitious view of how the world operates. Its really strange.
Hopefully that's mostly an issue with american engineers ???
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Hopefully that's mostly an issue with american engineers ???
Not really. Lots of nasty Muslim Terrorists in the field as well. KSM and a lot of the other terrorists as well as Osama Bin Laden`s family are filled with "Engineers".
It really appeals to Shit-Brains.
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Not really. Lots of nasty Muslim Terrorists in the field as well. KSM and a lot of the other terrorists as well as Osama Bin Laden`s family are filled with "Engineers".
It really appeals to Shit-Brains.
Bitter much, what would you do without your dead parents money.
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MECHANICAL ENGINEER(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Khalid_Shaikh_Mohammed_after_capture.jpg/220px-Khalid_Shaikh_Mohammed_after_capture.jpg)
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Not really. Lots of nasty Muslim Terrorists in the field as well. KSM and a lot of the other terrorists as well as Osama Bin Laden`s family are filled with "Engineers".
It really appeals to Shit-Brains.
lol oh really?
Where's your college degree, Adonis? What have you accomplished in the field of higher education?
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lol oh really?
Where's your college degree, Adonis? What have you accomplished in the field of higher studies?
He won't answer so I will, TA has accomplished nothing "in the field of higher studies."
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lol oh really?
Where's your college degree, Adonis? What have you accomplished in the field of higher studies?
I have two of them and have no real use for them other than plain vanity. Also, it filled my boredom for nearly a decade. Totally useless though as I was brilliant beforehand and like anyone with a brain, you learn the most in your own spare time.
College is a waste, but is necessary for shitbrains and those who need to kiss anus for a job. Luckily I don`t have to do any of that EVER. I can sit back and laugh at the rats in the rat race for as long as I want and do and learn whatever I want, whenever I want. I basically just pursue my passions, whatever they may be.
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I have two of them and have no real use for them other than plain vanity. Also, it filled my boredom for nearly a decade. Totally useless though as I was brilliant beforehand and like anyone with a brain, you learn the most in your own spare time.
College is a waste, but is necessary for shitbrains and those who need to kiss anus for a job. Luckily I don`t have to do any of that EVER. I can sit back and laugh at the rats in the rat race for as long as I want and do and learn whatever I want, whenever I want. I basically just pursue my passions, whatever they may be.
What do you do now to earn money?
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What do you do now to earn money?
Dividends in the stock market and I sell High Priced Luxury Goods on the side for amusment as I hand antique Leather and wood.
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I have two of them and have no real use for them other than plain vanity. Also, it filled my boredom for nearly a decade. Totally useless though as I was brilliant beforehand and like anyone with a brain, you learn the most in your own spare time.
College is a waste, but is necessary for shitbrains and those who need to kiss anus for a job. Luckily I don`t have to do any of that EVER. I can sit back and laugh at the rats in the rat race for as long as I want and do and learn whatever I want, whenever I want. I basically just pursue my passions, whatever they may be.
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Dividends in the stock market and I sell High Priced Luxury Goods on the side for amusment as I hand antique Leather and wood.
Furniture? You ship to CA? Got a website I can see what's available?
PM me if you're serious.
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Dividends in the stock market and I sell High Priced Luxury Goods on the side for amusment as I hand antique Leather and wood.
Oh yeah, self made, hahhahahah.
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What do you do now to earn money?
He inherited money. That is all.
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I have two of them and have no real use for them other than plain vanity. Also, it filled my boredom for nearly a decade. Totally useless though as I was brilliant beforehand and like anyone with a brain, you learn the most in your own spare time.
College is a waste, but is necessary for shitbrains and those who need to kiss anus for a job. Luckily I don`t have to do any of that EVER. I can sit back and laugh at the rats in the rat race for as long as I want and do and learn whatever I want, whenever I want. I basically just pursue my passions, whatever they may be.
So what was that whole "parking tickets preventing me from going to school" thing about?
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So what was that whole "parking tickets preventing me from going to school" thing about?
TA's educational story changes all the time. One time it was no degrees, now he has two. I do think he inherited money. I know he doesn't work and looks down on the rest of us who have to work for a living.
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I'm curios to know since I hopefully will be starting my studies this upcoming january.
How was the studying? Same level of brutal as med school or easier? I've heard that chemical engineering is pretty damn difficult and that other types of engineering can vary depending on the school etc. Did you enjoy it?
Job prospects?
Any tips/hints?
I'm an ME. Engineering school is quite difficult, but it's one of the most worthwhile degrees you can earn. I don't know how it compares to med school, but you won't have the same student loans to pay back down the road. Most engineering disciplines are similar in difficulty. Mechanical is probably the most versatile because there's so many areas to branch off into.
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You are not a candidate yet. A PhD candidate is someone who has passed all their qualifying exams. PhD candidates are usually students in their last years. You are a PhD student!
"Usually a person is considered a PhD candidate after they pass their qualifying exam (at which point most have finished their coursework and just need to complete their dissertation)."
SF you are right, I am still a PhD student, actually I have to take the qualifying exam THEN the candidacy exam, then I will be considered a PhD candidate, sorry, got ahead of myself there , I AM A PHD STUDENT, thats one of the things that bug me about the PhD program , lots of fucking exams when I already have my research topic and two degrees already under my belt.
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I'm an ME. Engineering school is quite difficult, but it's one of the most worthwhile degrees you can earn. I don't know how it compares to med school, but you won't have the same student loans to pay back down the road. Most engineering disciplines are similar in difficulty. Mechanical is probably the most versatile because there's so many areas to branch off into.
That's probably my main reason for doing ME, just because there are so many potential career alternatives. Not quite sure yet what I want to get in to but probably industrial stuff.
Thanks!
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Wow that is pretty impressive. Much props.
So I do have a couple of questions. How much would you say that raw intelligence matters in these type of studies? Obviously someone with a 150+ IQ is more likely to do better than someone with 100, but I also heard that it's more a matter of determination. That if you got the will to do well in school that's usually most of what you're going to need.
How much would you say social skills matters as an engineer? I've talked to a couple of engineers and they emphasize the importance of being able to communicate with people and sell stuff rather than designing them.
On another note, I've met a lot of stupid doctors and dentists(a lot of smart ones too of course) but most engineers seem to have certain outlook on things which makes em seem "smarter" or well versed when it comes to dealing with various things in life. Would you agree with that?
Love monkey, not sure about raw intelligence, it helps of course but I never considered myself all that intelligent really but managed to get through lol, now compare that to my dad who i see as very intelligent he graduated first in his class undergrad, masters, and phd in mechanical engineering at UCLA and then started his own successful business but he also has excellent social skills, but to be honest most of the engineers i met during undergrad and masters had Zero social skills, i think this field really requires determination its tough but its all material that you can learn, not one of these things that you either know it or not, in undergrad hallf way through i was really struggling hating the material and nearly transferred to another field who woulda known that i would later get a masters and go after a phd too, if you woulda asked me in undergrad if i woulda studied MORE engineering i woulda said no way, i hated it but now i am glad i stuck it out, good luck to you!
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Love monkey, not sure about raw intelligence, it helps of course but I never considered myself all that intelligent really but managed to get through lol, now compare that to my dad who i see as very intelligent he graduated first in his class undergrad, masters, and phd in mechanical engineering at UCLA and then started his own successful business but he also has excellent social skills, but to be honest most of the engineers i met during undergrad and masters had Zero social skills, i think this field really requires determination its tough but its all material that you can learn, not one of these things that you either know it or not, in undergrad hallf way through i was really struggling hating the material and nearly transferred to another field who woulda known that i would later get a masters and go after a phd too, if you woulda asked me in undergrad if i woulda studied MORE engineering i woulda said no way, i hated it but now i am glad i stuck it out, good luck to you!
Doing my MSc at Imperial College, I notice how the engineers are; the foreign ones can barely string an English sentence together and the English ones, well, they forgot their tongue at home.
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Love monkey, not sure about raw intelligence, it helps of course but I never considered myself all that intelligent really but managed to get through lol, now compare that to my dad who i see as very intelligent he graduated first in his class undergrad, masters, and phd in mechanical engineering at UCLA and then started his own successful business but he also has excellent social skills, but to be honest most of the engineers i met during undergrad and masters had Zero social skills, i think this field really requires determination its tough but its all material that you can learn, not one of these things that you either know it or not, in undergrad hallf way through i was really struggling hating the material and nearly transferred to another field who woulda known that i would later get a masters and go after a phd too, if you woulda asked me in undergrad if i woulda studied MORE engineering i woulda said no way, i hated it but now i am glad i stuck it out, good luck to you!
That's cool. So you come from a family of well educated people? Did that influence your studying/career path?
None of my parents have any sort of higher education although we have a couple of relatives that are engineers and lawyers etc. I just never felt the urge/pressure to start studying until fairly recently and I hope I can keep the motivation throughout the next upcoming years. All I know is that if I don't give it a shot while I'm still young I KNOW that I will regret it later and keep thinking "What if?".
I do have an interest for technical stuff and theoretical physics but my main concern is the mathematical skills required to get a degree in this sort of stuff. I'm hoping that if I put my mind into it I'll get better. Not saying I was exceptionally bad at math in high school, just that I never paid much attention to it or found it interesting. But I think I'm a different person now. Hopefully. I didn't have a goal back then but I do now.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
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Get ready for A LOT of math- some say as much as a math degree
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Love monkey, not sure about raw intelligence, it helps of course but I never considered myself all that intelligent really but managed to get through lol, now compare that to my dad who i see as very intelligent he graduated first in his class undergrad, masters, and phd in mechanical engineering at UCLA and then started his own successful business but he also has excellent social skills, but to be honest most of the engineers i met during undergrad and masters had Zero social skills, i think this field really requires determination its tough but its all material that you can learn, not one of these things that you either know it or not, in undergrad hallf way through i was really struggling hating the material and nearly transferred to another field who woulda known that i would later get a masters and go after a phd too, if you woulda asked me in undergrad if i woulda studied MORE engineering i woulda said no way, i hated it but now i am glad i stuck it out, good luck to you!
Your father was Old School; these days engineers just need to figure out the equations; speaking and interacting with other human beings is rather low on their list of skills.
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TA's educational story changes all the time. One time it was no degrees, now he has two. I do think he inherited money. I know he doesn't work and looks down on the rest of us who have to work for a living.
Nothing has ever changed. I think you suffer from severe ADHD as well as acute jealousy. I don`t look down upon you for working, I just think you will realize that you will have wasted most of your life for no really great reason. Of course you could always think differently, but most people when they get older, they wish they had more free time or had used the time they had much differently. Don`t let that happen to you.
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So what was that whole "parking tickets preventing me from going to school" thing about?
I still owe nearly 1000 dollars I think in parking fines (could be a few hundred, no idea as I don`t care to check). Who knows and I don`t care. They are not getting a red cent from me and they cannot do a thing since I never took a dime in student loans. I paid tuition free and clear each semester.
Fuck them.
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I have many leather bound books...
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Nothing has ever changed. I think you suffer from severe ADHD as well as acute jealousy. I don`t look down upon you for working, I just think you will realize that you will have wasted most of your life for no really great reason. Of course you could always think differently, but most people when they get older, they wish they had more free time or had used the time they had much differently. Don`t let that happen to you.
Well, apparently you don't get that most of us have to work to survive. There isn't a choice. It is work or go under. If you don't get that, you live in lala land.
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I still owe nearly 1000 dollars I think in parking fines (could be a few hundred, no idea as I don`t care to check). Who knows and I don`t care. They are not getting a red cent from me and they cannot do a thing since I never took a dime in student loans. I paid tuition free and clear each semester.
Fuck them.
Ok, that sucks. What are your two degrees if I may ask? Just curious.
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Doing my MSc at Imperial College, I notice how the engineers are; the foreign ones can barely string an English sentence together and the English ones, well, they forgot their tongue at home.
They all also left basic Science at home. They are some of the most irrational , religious minded lunatics you will ever meet. Look how many on this thread are Religious Shit-Brains yet "Engineers". This field of study has one of the highest levels of religiosity of any type of study. Look it up.
Tons of ignorant Christians and especially tons of Ignorant Muslims. Flies to shit or shit to Flies however you want to state it.
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Ok, that sucks. What are your two degrees if I may ask? Just curious.
Political Science and Biology. Nothing special at all. Jezebelle has two also in Art and Geography. She does not "use" them either (not that anyone ever really does in the first place. What is there to "use")
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Political Science and Biology. Nothing special at all. Jezebelle has two also in Art and Geography. She does not "use" them either (not that anyone ever really does in the first place. What is there to "use")
not much need for a diploma to work the drive thru window at burger king, eh stud?
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not much need for a diploma to work the drive thru window at burger king, eh stud?
I`d say that working at Burger King is probably much more difficult and useful to society than working as an Engineer. Most Enginners will just go on to either plot against America by joining Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah or what have you, or they will just sit in an office and continue to be a Science Denying SHITBRAINS.
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Big Ach is the exception to the rule I might add. He and his father ARE NOT shitbrains and have built a great empire. So there are exceptions therefore do not think me unreasonable. However, the majority of you WILL NEVER BE Big Ach or as successful.
Hope this helps :-\
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This man looks happy in his work.
(http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/pix/mendocino4/j4p/TrainEngineer-m.jpg)
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Big Ach is the exception to the rule I might add. He and his father ARE NOT shitbrains and have built a great empire. So there are exceptions therefore do not think me unreasonable. However, the majority of you WILL NEVER BE Big Ach or as successful.
Hope this helps :-\
I'll get back to you in 7-8 years. Nothing better than getting the approval of the true adonis on getbig.
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This man looks happy in his work.
(http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/pix/mendocino4/j4p/TrainEngineer-m.jpg)
Thats a REAL Engineer. At least thats what the title USED to refer to. I wish it still did. I love old railcars and trains.
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ENGINEERS= SHITBRAINS!
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(http://images02.olx.in/ui/4/64/18/64495618_1-Pictures-of-Electrical-Engineer.jpg)
(http://images01.olx.com.pk/ui/8/89/28/1283857919_118688128_1-Electrical-Engineer-ISLAMABAD.jpg)
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MORE ENGINEERING SHITBRAINS!(http://images01.olx.com.pk/ui/4/78/39/72016939_1-Pictures-of-ELECTRICAL-ENGINEER.jpg)
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(http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~hosseinh/images/hashemi.JPG)
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ENGINEERS= SHITBRAINS!
What does it matter what ethnicity they are or the religion they're a part of?
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What does it matter what ethnicity they are or the religion they're a part of?
Are you a ShitBrain also?
Seriously, the overwhelming majority of Engineers are Religious Christian lunatics or Fanatical Muslims. Is this the company you want to keep?
Here is a White Shitbrain for good measure:
(http://media.bmt.org/bmt_media/bmt_images/33/_eps0909CHcroppedforwebsite72dpi.jpg)
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(http://www.pes-inc.ca/images/mattrobertson.JPG)
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(http://images04.olx.in/ui/2/36/55/34173155_1.jpg)
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Are you a ShitBrain also?
Seriously, the overwhelming majority of Engineers are Religious Christian lunatics or Fanatical Muslims. Is this the company you want to keep?
Here is a White Shitbrain for good measure:
Well, here in northern europe it's not that big of an issue. But even if it was, what's your point?
I've met a ton of doctors, dentists etc that are religious although mostly in america. They're still good at what they do.
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Without engineers you couldn't make any scientific advancements useful for society. Period.
And most importantly, STFU.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Political party Alliance of Builders (2003–present)
Islamic Society of Engineers (1990–present)Spouse(s) Azam Farahi (1977–present)[1]
Alma mater University of Science and Technology of Iran
Profession Civil engineer
Religion Shi'a Islam(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_2009.jpg/503px-Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_2009.jpg)
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will you stop trolling this thread with your bizarre display of immaturity?
the man had a serious question
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed- Mastermind of 9/11 - North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University completed a degree in mechanical engineering in 1986
(http://jimdiamond.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/khalid_shaikh_mohammed_after_capture1.jpg)
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Alright so your point is that engineers are apparently shitbrains and you prove it by showing that just because some of them are christians or of a non-western ethnicity. Stupid argument and we get it now.
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Osama bin Laden earned a degree in civil engineering in 1979(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Osama_Bin_Ladin_Digitally_Aged_2009.jpg/500px-Osama_Bin_Ladin_Digitally_Aged_2009.jpg)
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this is true, i do believe the earth is around 6-7k years old and macro evolution is a lie, where as microevolution is not. i doubt you know the difference, and i rememebr you sending me messages about this and never having an answer to one single question. if you knew even some basic physics you wouldnt make ignorant statements about things you dont understand.
1st law of thermodynamics - expresses that energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.
So where does this energy you talk about for the creation of the world come from?
2nd law of thermodynamics - is an expression of the universal principle of decay observable in nature. This decay is measured and expressed in terms of a physical property called entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system can never decrease.
Evolution states things are getting better and better, but this violates the 2nd law…things are getting worse. There is more disease, more mutations, etc…and not for the better, but for the worse.
Newton's Law's of Motion -
if an objects exploded taht was spinning in a clockwise direction, then all of the pieces would spin clockwise as well, unless they encountered some other object...in the big bang the dot exploded...creating planets, moons, etc...yet all of these spin many diff. directions, as well as some galaxies spinng in diff. directions...
I could argue with just about anyone on evolution, carbon dating, big bang, and all of the other topics that go into it the age of the earth and evolution. I got no beef with people choosing to believe it, but it isn’t science…its religion…its untestable, unprovable, and has never been observed.
Thanks for proving my point with your own goddamned stupidity you fucking worthless SHITBRAIN.
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this is true, i do believe the earth is around 6-7k years old and macro evolution is a lie, where as microevolution is not. i doubt you know the difference, and i rememebr you sending me messages about this and never having an answer to one single question. if you knew even some basic physics you wouldnt make ignorant statements about things you dont understand.
1st law of thermodynamics - expresses that energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.
So where does this energy you talk about for the creation of the world come from?
2nd law of thermodynamics - is an expression of the universal principle of decay observable in nature. This decay is measured and expressed in terms of a physical property called entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system can never decrease.
Evolution states things are getting better and better, but this violates the 2nd law…things are getting worse. There is more disease, more mutations, etc…and not for the better, but for the worse.
Newton's Law's of Motion -
if an objects exploded taht was spinning in a clockwise direction, then all of the pieces would spin clockwise as well, unless they encountered some other object...in the big bang the dot exploded...creating planets, moons, etc...yet all of these spin many diff. directions, as well as some galaxies spinng in diff. directions...
I could argue with just about anyone on evolution, carbon dating, big bang, and all of the other topics that go into it the age of the earth and evolution. I got no beef with people choosing to believe it, but it isn’t science…its religion…its untestable, unprovable, and has never been observed.
I'm surprised to hear this from you, to be quite honest.
There's nothing violating the 2nd law of thermodynamics anywhere. Any order that appears on earth is counterbalanced with more disorder in the universe as a whole.
EDIT: "Worse" in evolutionary/biological terms and disorder in physics are not at all related. Diseases are organisms too. Viruses are certainly not a form of "disorder". They're getting better at what they do and we constantly have to improve our defense against them.
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TA, you need to realise that engineers minds are mostly dictated by LOGIC. its hard for an engineering type of person to accept illogical thinking...this would explain why maybe a high number of engineers believe in God. Logic dictates that this world cannot have created itself.
people like you TA are those who think they know something, when really they know nothing.
i think the phrase "ignorance is bliss" applies very well to your situation. no doubt you will come back with "pictures" to prove a point, or "insults", or "well i think this"...yada yada yada....try backing up what you have to say with some science and logic and youll find yourself in a canoe without apaddle.
LOGIC? You just stated that the earth is 6000 years old. Die now. Please. Engineers ARE SHITBRAINS and you are PROVING IT!
You may as well toss your degrees and credentials in the trash if you are really this stupid. What a failure of yourself and the education system that you blew through.
You fuckiing suck you second grader.
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this is true, i do believe the earth is around 6-7k years old and macro evolution is a lie, where as microevolution is not. i doubt you know the difference, and i rememebr you sending me messages about this and never having an answer to one single question. if you knew even some basic physics you wouldnt make ignorant statements about things you dont understand.
1st law of thermodynamics - expresses that energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.
So where does this energy you talk about for the creation of the world come from?
2nd law of thermodynamics - is an expression of the universal principle of decay observable in nature. This decay is measured and expressed in terms of a physical property called entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system can never decrease.
Evolution states things are getting better and better, but this violates the 2nd law…things are getting worse. There is more disease, more mutations, etc…and not for the better, but for the worse.
Newton's Law's of Motion -
if an objects exploded taht was spinning in a clockwise direction, then all of the pieces would spin clockwise as well, unless they encountered some other object...in the big bang the dot exploded...creating planets, moons, etc...yet all of these spin many diff. directions, as well as some galaxies spinng in diff. directions...
I could argue with just about anyone on evolution, carbon dating, big bang, and all of the other topics that go into it the age of the earth and evolution. I got no beef with people choosing to believe it, but it isn’t science…its religion…its untestable, unprovable, and has never been observed.
false, thats only a judgement we impose on it. creatures are getting 'better' as far as they are adapted to the environment, nothing more and nothing less.
go pick up a book that explains evolution thats not written by a creationist. Trust me it does not go against religion, only certain (narrow) interpretations of it. The theory has been around for 150+ years and in that time different fields of science have only corroborated the evidence for natural selection (microbiology, archaeology, medicine, etc.).
don't wanna get into a long discussion here, but books are widely available on the subject. I find amazon.com has pretty good deals on book. good luck.
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LOGIC? You just stated that the earth is 6000 years old. Die now. Please. Engineers ARE SHITBRAINS and you are PROVING IT!
You may as well toss your degrees and credentials in the trash if you are really this stupid. What a failure of yourself and the education system that you blew through.
You fuckiing suck you second grader.
the irony is strong here you asswipe. The world runs because of the work of your 'shitbrain' engineers. what a seriously idiotic statement you keep making, while at the same time criticising another for making retarded statement.
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all the sources ive read on the subject are non-christian ones friend.
yet you stated the simplest of things about evolution wrong?
you're a bright guy, I'm sure... so I have doubt about your sources here.
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false, thats only a judgement we impose on it. creatures are getting 'better' as far as they are adapted to the environment, nothing more and nothing less.
go pick up a book that explains evolution thats not written by a creationist. Trust me it does not go against religion, only certain (narrow) interpretations of it. The theory has been around for 150+ years and in that time different fields of science have only corroborated the evidence for natural selection (microbiology, archaeology, medicine, etc.).
don't wanna get into a long discussion here, but books are widely available on the subject. I find amazon.com has pretty good deals on book. good luck.
He is an engineer though as is Bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the rest of young earth Creationists Muslim and Christian alike.
Are you doubting his intellectual authority? He has Engineering degrees you know. How dare you? :D
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anyway, i'm out for the night.
behave yourself boys 8)
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the theory of evolution is based off of the principle of natural selection....which states the strong in the species survive, reproduce, and have strong off spring. this process does NOT improve the species beyond what it is, but only PRESERVES the species. the animal isnt getting better and better.
for example, if you have two perfect dogs, and then they mate, and their offspring are only 90% as good as the parents, then the offspring mate, etc.. etc. etc.. and so you haev some dogs that are 30, 40, 60, 80, 90 % strong / fit / etc. the ones that have the better genetics will be more likely to survive / reproduce, BUT, they will not be better than the original.
somehow with evolution, they think overtime - the secret ingredient - that things will not only get better, but change from one kind of animal to another.
Have you read "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins? It's not so much about the species rather than the genes themselves. We the organisms are mere survival machines for the genes.
I guess I could agree with you that animals are not getting better(a very subjective term) but they certainly do adapt or get selected over time. BUT in the end it's the genes that stick around, not the animals.
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yet you stated the simplest of things about evolution wrong?
you're a bright guy, I'm sure... so I have doubt about your sources here.
LOL@ you think he is a bright guy.
You are a wishy washy religious apologist so this is to be somewhat expected. Perhaps you should jump on Noahs Ark as well and sail into Riyadh and just detonate yourself with the rest of the idiots.
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EDIT: "Worse" in evolutionary/biological terms and disorder in physics are not at all related. Diseases are organisms too. Viruses are certainly not a form of "disorder". They're getting better at what they do and we constantly have to improve our defense against them.
Kind of curios to see you explain your argument around this.
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Have you read "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins? It's not so much about the species rather than the genes themselves. We the organisms are mere survival machines for the genes.
I guess I could agree with you that animals are not getting better(a very subjective term) but they certainly do adapt or get selected over time. BUT in the end it's the genes that stick around, not the animals.
Don`t waste your time with him, its useless which is why I won`t even bother. Let his delusion persist, its more amusing that way.
Also, DO NOT go into Engineering unless you want to be in the company of Terrorists and Christian Creationists. Its brim filled with these morons.
Choose Science, History, Literature......ANYTHING but this SHITBRAIN field. I am warning you.
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it always come back to the same question.....So how did we get here??????
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Kind of curios to see you explain your argument around this.
Don`t waste your time with this SHITBRAIN. Its useless. I don`t bother debating with Creationists at all and neither does Richard Dawkins.
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it always come back to the same question.....So how did we get here??????
LOL@ you for thinking Homo Sapiens have "always been here".
It really is useless with you people. Oh how education has failed. I weep for the future. With such an influx of factual, irrefutable evidence, information and the ease of accessibility to it, you and the others choose to remain unlit and totally in the dark in a state of perpetual and willfull ignorance.
What the fuck is wrong with you people. Seriously?
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Furniture? You ship to CA? Got a website I can see what's available?
PM me if you're serious.
Hey TA I know you're real busy trying to troll right now, but could you answer my questions?
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Hey TA I know you're real busy trying to troll right now, but could you answer my questions?
Yah I could help you out.. Also, the Furniture Market is nearly here and if you could make it over here next week, you can get some incredible deals. A LOT of celebrities and their agents etc.. come into town this week and next for the market for the deals. I`d say wait a week after market to get the leftovers and the samples. You could easily score a 10 grand plus leather sofa for a few hundred dollars. Thats the type of deals we are talking about. Google "Furniture Market" and see what I mean.
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Mutations are usually harmful, that is true. The useful ones are the one that make it through. Evoultionary theory does not speak of improvement, it speaks of adaption; they are not the same; adpation can occur at the cost of something else. Example; human beings' vocal organs evolved in concert with the development of language at the cost of the ability to both eat and breathe at the same time; other mammals can do both simultaneously. It was a trade off and one which results in hundreds of choking related deaths each year.
ill try to give you a simple example lovemonkey,and maybe youll see my point.
most evolutionists use mutations as a possible way of evolution "betterment" occurring. this is false though...even in bacteria / viruses / etc.
if for example, everyone in your city was to be handcuffed, so they went through and handcuffed everyone...but there were some people with no arms, so tehy couldnt be handcuffed. are these people somehow superior to the people with arms? of course not, they just happen to have a negative mutation that allowd them to escape the immediate problem.
if you have a bacteria / virus that has a few mutations, and you take some medicine that kills off 98% of the bacteria, but the mutations survive...not b/c they are better, but b/c they have a defect (similar to the arm example), these mutations then multiply and all of a sudden people will say well it evolved!!! no, it just had a defect that allowed it to be better for the temporary against the medicine.
you ever seen a guy with 6 fingers? i have. &guy was useless. what about a cow with 5 legs, etc. are any of the mutations you've ever seen actually better than the original? mutations within proteins (prions) can cause mad cow disease, etc. mutations are not a way to evolve to get better, they are for the worse. they can be beneficial momentarily, but that doesnt make them better. btw, these mutations can only mutate what is ALREADY in the genetic code. you cant get a fin on a horse, etc. wont happen. you can grow a 6th finger, but you wont grow gills no matter how much you mutate. its impossible b/c its not even in your genetic code. if perhaps you could interbreed with something that had it in its code, tehn you could get these traits, but again, it cant be done. a zebra and a horse can breed ...you get a zorse. but they are the same 'kind' of animal. a zebra cant breed with a hippo.
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LOL@ you for thinking Homo Sapiens have "always been here".
It really is useless with you people. Oh how education has failed. I weep for the future. With such an influx of factual, irrefutable evidence, information and the ease of accessibility to it, you and the others choose to remain unlit and totally in the dark in a state of perpetual and willfull ignorance.
What the fuck is wrong with you people. Seriously?
Fucking Moron...
i never said we have always been here? :D
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Mutations are usually harmful, that is true. The useful ones are the one that make it through. Evoultionary theory does not speak of improvement, it speaks of adaption; they are not the same; adpation can occur at the cost of something else. Example; human beings' vocal organs evolved in concert with the development of language at the cost of the ability to both eat and breathe at the same time; other mammals can do both simultaneously. It was a trade off and one which results in hundreds of choking related deaths each year.
Don`t waste your time my friend. Seriously, its hopeless. He has the Engineer SHITBRAIN disease.
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ill try to give you a simple example lovemonkey,and maybe youll see my point.
most evolutionists use mutations as a possible way of evolution "betterment" occurring. this is false though...even in bacteria / viruses / etc.
if for example, everyone in your city was to be handcuffed, so they went through and handcuffed everyone...but there were some people with no arms, so tehy couldnt be handcuffed. are these people somehow superior to the people with arms? of course not, they just happen to have a negative mutation that allowd them to escape the immediate problem.
if you have a bacteria / virus that has a few mutations, and you take some medicine that kills off 98% of the bacteria, but the mutations survive...not b/c they are better, but b/c they have a defect (similar to the arm example), these mutations then multiply and all of a sudden people will say well it evolved!!! no, it just had a defect that allowed it to be better for the temporary against the medicine.
you ever seen a guy with 6 fingers? i have. &guy was useless. what about a cow with 5 legs, etc. are any of the mutations you've ever seen actually better than the original? mutations within proteins (prions) can cause mad cow disease, etc. mutations are not a way to evolve to get better, they are for the worse. they can be beneficial momentarily, but that doesnt make them better. btw, these mutations can only mutate what is ALREADY in the genetic code. you cant get a fin on a horse, etc. wont happen. you can grow a 6th finger, but you wont grow gills no matter how much you mutate. its impossible b/c its not even in your genetic code. if perhaps you could interbreed with something that had it in its code, tehn you could get these traits, but again, it cant be done. a zebra and a horse can breed ...you get a zorse. but they are the same 'kind' of animal. a zebra cant breed with a hippo.
You just explained some of the basic stuff that goes on in evolution but you fail to understand the bigger picture :-\
With regards to your handcuff example, think of a lizard that doesn't need its legs anymore and boom you end up with the early version of a snake. Let go of the terms "evolved" or "better". It's more long term adaption. Genes that produces unnecessary traits in a particular environment will have a disadvantage against other organisms that are better fitted at that time. How is this concept so hard to grasp? There were no original animals, only self replicating molecules that eventually formed into survival machines when resources became scarce.
If you have read tons of literature on the subject I guess there's not much I can do to convince you of anything else.
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Fucking Moron...
i never said we have always been here? :D
Sorry about that. Just had to draw you out to see if you were on our team or Team ShitBrain.
I am glad we can count you amongst our ranks. Right?
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You just explained some of the basic stuff that goes on in evolution but you fail to understand the bigger picture :-\
With regards to your handcuff example, think of a lizard that doesn't need its legs anymore and boom you end up with the early version of a snake. Let go of the terms "evolved" or "better". It's more long term adaption. Genes that produces unnecessary traits in a particular environment will have a disadvantage against other organisms that are better fitted at that time. How is this concept so hard to grasp? There were no original animals, only self replicating molecules that eventually formed into survival machines when resources became scarce.
If you have read tons of literature on the subject I guess there's not much I can do to convince you of anything else.
This what I was getting at. Well said. :)
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Sorry about that. Just had to draw you out to see if you were on our team or Team ShitBrain.
I am glad we can count you amongst our ranks. Right?
That Ok...I'm 100% atheist BTW...
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How you guys managed to get to this from thermodynamics is beyond me.
Thermodynamics - movement of heat. It does not apply to a value judgement of 'things getting better or worse.'
You fuckiing suck you second grader.
Lol. TA, are you drunk right now?! :D
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That Ok...I'm 100% atheist BTW...
Very good! Therefore none of what I said applies to you and I am quite glad. Don`t you find Team Shitbrain sadly amusing?
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How you guys managed to get to this from thermodynamics is beyond me.
Thermodynamics - movement of heat. It does not apply to a value judgement of 'things getting better or worse.'
Lol. TA, are you drunk right now?! :D
Incredibly I am not inebriated despite my rather crass choice of words as of late. In my defense there are some concord grapes fermenting in my wooden contraption that will result in wine in a few days. I am not sure what to expect as this is my very first foray into winemaking. A trial run if you will. Adonis Vineyards 2010.
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Very good! Therefore none of what I said applies to you and I am quite glad. Don`t you find Team Shitbrain sadly amusing?
He's entitled to opinion..However, he mentions the word logic..However, i don't know how you can use logic and believe in god..
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"The freeway was sheer entropy all the way home. Damn you for making me late for dinner, thermodynamics!"
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Incredibly I am not inebriated despite my rather crass choice of words as of late. In my defense there are some concord grapes fermenting in my wooden contraption that will result in wine in a few days. I am not sure what to expect as this is my very first foray into winemaking. A trial run if you will. Adonis Vineyards 2010.
I have a small vineyard in my yard that my dad started...I'm in the north East....The grapes are good..However, these grapes make terrible wine..
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Allright kiddies I am off to bed to finish reading some Cormac McCarthy.
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I have a small vineyard in my yard that my dad started...I'm in the north East....The grapes are good..However, these grapes make terrible wine..
Yah this is just a trial to see if all of my spigots and barrel work. I didn`t want to waste anything and figured due to sugar content, these grapes would ferment and develop very fast, just enough to test out the equipment.
If everything is in working order, I will probably dump this wine and move to Muscadines as they are coming in right now.
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im open-minded lovemonkey, so you can provide whatever examples you like, and i will always take them seriously and thoughtfully. i wont necessarily agree though unless i feel they make sense. i think thats how everyone should view these type of topics. imho.
you make a statement like "there were no original animals", but i would have to ask how do you KNOW there werent? b/c someone told you so?
i agree, adaptation can mean better at a certain time for a certain environment...this is called 'variation'. which i already stated i agree with whole heartedly. BUT, there is a big leap from variation, to another kind of animal alltogether.
in other words, i believe variation among kinds happens (natural selection). what i dont agree is that this somehow leads to "new" genetic material. no new genetic code is being made. if it wasnt in a dogs genetics to have a fin, then it will never grow a fin, and will never somehow gain that code. a person can 'believe' it will, btu taht isnt science, nor is it observable.
Going from one species to the other is a big leap, you're right. That's why it takes such a long time. Evolution has had several BILLION years to perform its magic. So that's probably why you don't "believe" in it since anything older than 6-7000 years is beyond your comprehension. Think of evolution as a filter and not a process if that helps.
Trying to explain your argument with a dog growing fins kind of shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to evolution. I really seriously doubt you've read a lot on this subject.
Feel free to retort but I've had it for now. Thanks for your input when it comes to engineering though :)
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Yah this is just a trial to see if all of my spigots and barrel work. I didn`t want to waste anything and figured due to sugar content, these grapes would ferment and develop very fast, just enough to test out the equipment.
If everything is in working order, I will probably dump this wine and move to Muscadines as they are coming in right now.
Those Muscadines make good wine?
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Incredibly I am not inebriated despite my rather crass choice of words as of late. In my defense there are some concord grapes fermenting in my wooden contraption that will result in wine in a few days. I am not sure what to expect as this is my very first foray into winemaking. A trial run if you will. Adonis Vineyards 2010.
Good luck, TA. I don't know much about brewing of any sort, but I suspect it'll be a race between yeast and bacteria for the sugars. A first fermentation in a sterile container might give you a higher success rate, and you could move the batch into wood to mature once you've achieved a protective alcoholic threshhold.
Also, winemakers frequently stop fermentation (or retard it) with sulphur dioxide (I think), presumably to protect flavor. You could probably use heat to do the same, but I don't know what effect it would have on flavor.
Sounds like an ambitious project. Good luck.
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Those Muscadines make good wine?
Its very sweet and can be pushed to a port or a mild dessert wine. The Muscadine grows like wildfire around here and Jezebelle addicted me to eating them. I really prefer dry Red Wine with deep Oaky, wood and tobbacco flavors, but I don`t mind a sweet wine every now and then such as a Blueberry or even a Strawberry Wine. (teh Gay, I know)
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Good luck, TA. I don't know much about brewing of any sort, but I suspect it'll be a race between yeast and bacteria for the sugars. A first fermentation in a sterile container might give you a higher success rate, and you could move the batch into wood to mature once you've achieved a protective alcoholic threshhold.
Also, winemakers frequently stop fermentation (or retard it) with sulphur dioxide (I think), presumably to protect flavor. You could probably use heat to do the same, but I don't know what effect it would have on flavor.
Sounds like an ambitious project. Good luck.
Very good information there and it corroborates exactly with what I am reading.
If this fails, I am going to try an old Southern Moonshining trick of just making Corn Cob Wine:
Corn Cob Wine
Yield: One Gallon US
Ingredients:
1 dozen raw corn cobs
1 gallon boiling water
2 pkgs yeast
9 cups of sugar
Instructions:
1. Place cobs in a container and pour boiling water over them.
2. Cover loosely with cheesecloth or a dish towel and let stand for 24 hours.
3. Remove the cobs and add the yeast and sugar.
4. Cover loosely again and let stand for 9 days.
5. Strain through cheesecloth, cover loosely, and store in a moderately cool place until it is fermented, which may take as long as 10 weeks.
6. Bottle.
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Believe it or not, that simple corncob Wine is REALLY REALLY good and tastes like a great Riesling.
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(http://hackinginthecity.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/corncob.jpg?w=506&h=379)
Here’s something great to do with your leftover cobs! I first learned this from a book about wine-making traditions of Appalachia, though I’ve heard it’s mentioned in several other southern cookbooks.
You’ll need:
- corn cobs
- sugar
- yeast
- water
- a mason jar or some sort of container
Step 1: sheer kernels off your cobs and wash your jar with hot water.
Step 2: place cobs in container and fill with hot water. let stand for several hours.
Step 3: add sugar and yeast, cover with cheese cloth. in my case i had 4 cobs, a moderately sized jar and added maybe 1/2 cup of sugar. this sugar along with those from the corn will turn to alcohol, but at a certain point the yeast will reach level it can stand and will add sweetness to your wine. the best way to discover the right balance for you is through trial and error.
step 4: let sit for 5-10 days, taste the brew after a couple of days to see if it’s to your liking, every day it should be getting more alcoholic, when you like the flavor, strain your wine into a new jar (eliminating the cobs, yeast sediment), and you have yourself corn wine
note on yeast: bakers yeast is widely available but not always preferable, as it imparts a fairly strong aftertaste into your alcohol. if you have a home brew store in your area you can purchase specialty ‘wine yeasts’ without this after-taste, they usually cost $0.50-$2/packet and work for up to 5 gallons! another way to get your fermentation going is to make a starter from the natural yeasts in the air or the skins of fruit— this takes time though, so you should plan ahead. take an unwashed organic apple piece or strawberry, put it in a small jar with water and some sugar. cover the top with cheese cloth so flies can’t get in. leave it out for 2-4 days stirring it, it should be lovely and bubbly. now make your corncob wine, pouring this mixture in instead of yeast.
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You are another case where you believe the Magical Dead Zombie in the Sky is watching your every move and that you can speak to it. WHAT THE FUCK is WRONG with you Engineer Shit-Brains. Its rampant amongst your kind. I find it HIGHLY amusing that the majority of you can be so easily fooled and so damn stupid. WHY??????????
I thought this thread was about mechanical engineering, not a goofball throwing temper tantrums and making a complete fool of himself.....AGAIN!!!
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I thought this thread was about mechanical engineering, not a goofball atheist throwing temper tantrums and making a complete fool of himself.....AGAIN!!!
No its about a myriad of things. You are another example of a religious Engineer/young earth Creationist Christian.
I get it. Its like a cult with you people. At least we can keep an eye on all the Christian Loonies and Muslim terrorists as they tend to gravitate and fester in your field. Kind of makes it easier to keep tabs.
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I have two of them and have no real use for them other than plain vanity. Also, it filled my boredom for nearly a decade. Totally useless though as I was brilliant beforehand and like anyone with a brain, you learn the most in your own spare time.
College is a waste, but is necessary for shitbrains and those who need to kiss anus for a job. Luckily I don`t have to do any of that EVER. I can sit back and laugh at the rats in the rat race for as long as I want and do and learn whatever I want, whenever I want. I basically just pursue my passions, whatever they may be.
Rough Translation: I sit at home and mooch off Mom and Dad.
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No its about a myriad of things. You are another example of a religious Engineer/young earth Creationist Christian.
I get it. Its like a cult with you people. At least we can keep an eye on all the Christian Loonies and Muslim terrorists as they tend to gravitate and fester in your field. Kind of makes it easier to keep tabs.
Hardly!! This is the major I picked, and it had nothing to do with my religious beliefs. Why don't you get off your behind, and out of your parents' basement and get a job?
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Rough Translation: I sit at home and mooch off Mom and Dad.
Mom and Dad are dead.
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Mom and Dad are dead.
Then, you mooch off someone else.
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Hardly!! This is the major I picked, and it had nothing to do with my religious beliefs. Why don't you get off your behind, and out of your parents' basement and get a job?
You picked it because its conducive to SHITBRAINS. Its no coincidence that your area of work and study is comprised of unusually HIGH numbers of Religious Literalists and Fundamentalists (especially Christian and Muslim) than any other field of study besides Theistic studies.
The Muslim Fundamentalism that exists among your ilk is just mind-blowing. Nearly every single terrorist is or was an Engineer at some point.
The Christian literalists also flock to these fields in droves. Its quite an interesting social and religious phenomena on display and it has and is being studied as we speak.
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No but seriously Adonis, I appreciate your input on engineering but your wine farming shit needs to go. I'd appreciate it.
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No but seriously Adonis, I appreciate your input on engineering but your wine farming shit needs to go. I'd appreciate it.
No problem my friend. I REALLY hope you seriously reconsider your field of study. You DO NOT want to mingle among these types of people. It really is that bad. You are an intelligent person and I think the more you research it, the more you will see just how loony these "engineers" really are.
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No problem my friend. I REALLY hope you seriously reconsider your field of study. You DO NOT want to mingle among these types of people. It really is that bad. You are an intelligent person and I think the more you research it, the more you will see just how loony these "engineers" really are.
ahahahahahah
yeah, thats a real career move- taking advise from some dildo who doesnt have a job on a bodybuilding forum called getbig.
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No problem my friend. I REALLY hope you seriously reconsider your field of study. You DO NOT want to mingle among these types of people. It really is that bad. You are an intelligent person and I think the more you research it, the more you will see just how loony these "engineers" really are.
I'm totally ok with the fact that engineering attracts religious lunatics more than other fields of study if that's the case. Any sources on this btw? That's something I seriously doubt I'll have to deal with up here in northern europe though.
But even if 95% of all engineers were lunatics, that still doesn't change anything about engineering itself. If you're interested in technical stuff and physics and like to design products/solutions and help people then go study engineering. That's what I want to do, at least.
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You picked it because its conducive to SHITBRAINS. Its no coincidence that your area of work and study is comprised of unusually HIGH numbers of Religious Literalists and Fundamentalists (especially Christian and Muslim) than any other field of study besides Theistic studies.
You picked political science as a major, a degree you can get, simply by having a pulse. And, you're running your mouth about engineers?
GET REAL!!!
The Muslim Fundamentalism that exists among your ilk is just mind-blowing. Nearly every single terrorist is or was an Engineer at some point.
The Christian literalists also flock to these fields in droves. Its quite an interesting social and religious phenomena on display and it has and is being studied as we speak.
There are Christians in lots of fields. I tend to find a lot of them in the medical field (particularly nursing). So, once again, you can pry that foot out of your mouth.....or at least, attempt to do so.
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I'm totally ok with the fact that engineering attracts religious lunatics more than other fields of study if that's the case. Any sources on this btw? That's something I seriously doubt I'll have to deal with up here in northern europe though.
But even if 95% of all engineers were lunatics, that still doesn't change anything about engineering itself. If you're interested in technical stuff and physics and like to design products/solutions and help people then go study engineering. That's what I want to do, at least.
Very true, however you are going to have to work with these irrational people at some point and that may prove to be quite difficult depending on their level of SHITBRAINEDNESS.
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They all also left basic Science at home. They are some of the most irrational , religious minded lunatics you will ever meet. Look how many on this thread are Religious Shit-Brains yet "Engineers". This field of study has one of the highest levels of religiosity of any type of study. Look it up.
Tons of ignorant Christians and especially tons of Ignorant Muslims. Flies to shit or shit to Flies however you want to state it.
Listen to how utterly STUPID you sound. Engineers left basic science at home?
Most engineers take more science courses in a SEMESTER than you've taken your entire life. I listed some of the courses in mechanical engineering (and those were freshman/sophomore courses).
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Listen to how utterly STUPID you sound. Engineers left basic science at home?
Most engineers take more science courses in a SEMESTER than you've taken your entire life. I listed some of the courses in mechanical engineering (and those were freshman/sophomore courses).
You=Young Earth Creationist and Evolution Denier
You=Giant fail at basic Science
End of thread.
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its definitely harder than it was before, but yuo still have a better chance with engineering than most other degress. the medical field is almost a guaranteed job though...people are always sick, need surgeries, etc.
pharmacists
pharmacy is only a 6 year program too, which is nice compared to being a doctor...2 yrs of undergrad, 4 years of pharmacy school and your done.
At least in Illinois, pharmacy isn't the best field anymore. Walgreens has put a hiring freeze on pharmacists since the spring of '10. There are 3 pharmacy schools in Chicago area with 2 more opening. The influx of grads in the next 10 years will be huge and pay along with demand in the field will decrease.
Now, the big thing is doing a residency of 1-2 years after you graduate pharmacy school before you actually start working. Every pharmacist I talk to say it's a crock of shit and all it does is keep you poor for 2 years. IT's the exact same thing as on the job training and getting half the pay.
Anyways, that's something to think about because only like 5-6 years ago recruiters were going to pharmacy shools offering sign on and relocation bonuses to 4th year students. Now, it's hard to get your foot in the door.
I do realize there are a lot more areas in pharamcy other than retail but all of those places are getting saturated too.
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You=Young Earth Creationist and Evolution Denier
So is Dr. Ben Carson, one of the best neurosurgeons on the planet.....NEXT!!!
You=Giant fail at basic Science
End of thread.
My BACHELOR OF SCIENCE degree in Engineering says otherwise. Comeback when you get a clue and and some sense.
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Ok here are my credentials, Bachelors in Systes Engineerin with a minor in Compute Science, Masters in Engineering Management, and now currently a PhD candidate in Industrial Engineering, I originally started off in the Mechanical Engineering program, and after a year and a half i found out about the development of the Systems Engineering program at our University I switched because I thought it was more suitable to what I wanted to do, all Engineering is pretty fucking hard, but if I had to rank them i would say Chemical Engineering and Electrical Engineering are the two hardest in the field with Mechanical as second place, but in comparison i would say medical school is harder much much more memorization, remember medical school is a graduate program, you can do engineering in undergrad, let me know if you have any other questions
why would memorization be harder, I disagree
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So is Dr. Ben Carson, one of the best neurosurgeons on the planet.....NEXT!!!
My BACHELOR OF SCIENCE degree in Engineering says otherwise. Comeback when you get a clue and and some sense.
Your buddy on this thread has one of those and he, like you, believe that there is a magical dead zombie watching you in the sky and that a talking snake existed and spoke to humans and that dinosaurs were the horses of yesteryear for mankind and on and on and on.
You and he are utterly childlike and you and he have done yourselves no favors here whatsoever in validating and confirming your own immense ignorance in regards to basic Science (and basic rationality).
F. You know what that is for? FAIL. You Fail in Science.
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Before I did my Environmental engineering, I did Civil engineering for a year and a half (shudders involuntarily), during which time I did a lot of ME subjects, from Physics (which was great) to Mechanics of Materials (very dry). ME subjects aren't the easiest ones out there and you really need to understand the underlying concepts, to be able to solve the problem, as opposed to Medicine, where it's mostly memorizing and organizing the stored information in an order in your mind.
If you work hard and do well the first and 2nd year, you'll know what you want to specialize in and will do well after that, so make sure you understand the basics. Good luck.
I enjoyed Physics, as well. I had the same teacher for both Physics I and II, a short guy who reminded me of Scrooge McDuck.
As for Mechanics of Materials, the labs are a lot more interesting.
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Your buddy on this thread has one of those and he, like you, believe that there is a magical dead zombie watching you in the sky and that a talking snake existed and spoke to humans and that dinosaurs were the horses of yesteryear for mankind and on and on and on.
You and he are utterly childlike and you and he have done yourselves no favors here whatsoever in validating and confirming your own immense ignorance in regards to basic Science (and basic rationality).
F. You know what that is for? FAIL. You Fail in Science.
Once again, the degree on my wall says otherwise. I'll take that over a certified buffoon, with a political science degree, who simply had the fortune of inheriting money from his parents.
F is for FOOL, what you continue to show yourself to be. Run along now. Grown folks are talking!!!
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I'm totally ok with the fact that engineering attracts religious lunatics more than other fields of study if that's the case. Any sources on this btw? That's something I seriously doubt I'll have to deal with up here in northern europe though.
But even if 95% of all engineers were lunatics, that still doesn't change anything about engineering itself. If you're interested in technical stuff and physics and like to design products/solutions and help people then go study engineering. That's what I want to do, at least.
How strong of a math background do you have?
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That's cool. So you come from a family of well educated people? Did that influence your studying/career path?
None of my parents have any sort of higher education although we have a couple of relatives that are engineers and lawyers etc. I just never felt the urge/pressure to start studying until fairly recently and I hope I can keep the motivation throughout the next upcoming years. All I know is that if I don't give it a shot while I'm still young I KNOW that I will regret it later and keep thinking "What if?".
I do have an interest for technical stuff and theoretical physics but my main concern is the mathematical skills required to get a degree in this sort of stuff. I'm hoping that if I put my mind into it I'll get better. Not saying I was exceptionally bad at math in high school, just that I never paid much attention to it or found it interesting. But I think I'm a different person now. Hopefully. I didn't have a goal back then but I do now.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
Lovemonkey... the majority of my family are either PhD's in Engineering or MD's.... and the ones that are neither, have a bachelor's in Engineering LOL
As I mentioned halfway through undergrad at GWU I HATED engineering, I sucked at it and was not doing well, and wanted to switch out.... I approached my dad (who was paying my tuition - GWU at the time (2001-2005) was the most expensive school in the US, and today its the second most expensive school) and I told him I want to switch to business... his answer was absolutely not, he told me that if I had originally started in business it would be ok, but now that I started Engineering I had to finish it and I could not run away everytime I was faced with a challenge... I hated him soooo much at that point... and was so pissed, but I stuck it out and things got better... Ask anyone who was there at my undergrad graduation and they will tell you I had a HUGE SMILE from ear to ear, aside from being sooo happy to FINALLY be done, I had felt really accomplished that I had stuck it out, and really really battled to earn that degree... it was fucking hard, I'm not gonna lie, it came easy to some people I knew, but to me it felt like a battle... And then who would've thought 3 years after graduation that I would decide to go back and do a Master's in Engineering!!! But this time it was different, my work experience helped, and my GPA at graduation of my Master's was a 3.6 (a lot better than what my GPA was in undergrad).
Yes, seeing a lot of people in my family pursue Engineering definitely influenced me, but for anyone in this field, it comes down to pure determination and sticking it out. I keep telling myself that now that I'm doing my PhD - because this is much harder than anything I did in undergrad or in my Masters!
Engineering was very heavy in Math... Aside from doing the basics: Calc I, II, and III... Physicis I, and II, and a SHIT LOAD OF Statistics.... you also have the math from out of space that you do in your Core engineering classes. There were times, even as recently as in my Masters, where the professor would be talking and writing down formulas on the board and it seems like a foreign language!!! But you study it and you get it. As I also said earlier, I've never considered myself ALL that intelligent.... no, I don't think I'm dumb or whatever, but I'm no genius, and I'm no Math Whiz.... you study the material over and over and over and over... and you will eventually at some point in time just start to get it!
The funny thing is I always felt out of place in Engineering school.... still do til today... I mean I don't look like an Engineer... picture all these math geniuses sitting there behind a computer, with their pocket protectors and making engineering jokes (seriously they were so lame) looking like wannabe Bill Gates, and here I walk in at 260 lbs wearing a spandex muscle shirt (it was undergrad, come on :-D) with my food, tuna and grilled chicken IN CLASS and sitting amongst them!!! Was definitely a sight to behold!
Look man, if this is something YOU REALLY want to do, then go for it, even if you don't think your math skills are all that, the degree will help you get better at it!!!! Just keep an open mind and stay persistent!
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Big Ach is the exception to the rule I might add. He and his father ARE NOT shitbrains and have built a great empire. So there are exceptions therefore do not think me unreasonable. However, the majority of you WILL NEVER BE Big Ach or as successful.
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TA, THANK YOU SO MUCH for the kind words brother!!!! I still have a long way to go man.... I'm a baby in this field!!! And the majority of them are probably better off not being me or anything like me LOL
And putting me and my father in the same sentence when it comes to business is like putting Jay Cutler and Billy Guns on the same stage!!! My father will own me night and day in regards to Engineering and business, 20 times over!
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why would memorization be harder, I disagree
I think it different for different people, some people have an easier time solving formulas and figuring shit out, some people have an easier time LEARNING facts! Do you know what I'm saying?
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And going back to topic for a second, yes Osama Bin Laden was an Engineer... and his family does have a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE Engineering business which he himself is not involved in (apparently he had over 50 siblings), but it's one of the biggest privately-owned Engineering companies in Europe and the Middle East, maybe the world.
My company has never done any business with the Bin Laden Group, but I know people who have and I heard its ridiculous the amount of money that the company deals with and just sick sick salaries....
This is their website: http://www.sbg.com.sa/
Thing is the company will always be tainted by their rogue brother's name, and whether he is or isn't involved with them, no one will ever really know, but they claim they have completely cut him off!
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aww...billions of years and now somehow things can gain genetic code??? how so? please explain since you seem to come across as if you have a more serious understanding of the subject of evolution...
my example was simple, and accurate. an animal CANNOT gain genetic information. period. if you think ti can, please show some proof and ill gladly retract my statements. otherwise dont make insulting comments as if i havent read, or dont have a knowledgable background on thes ubject at hand.
No, but its offspring can through mutations during conception.
Though I'm not a biologist or anything of the sort I think it's safe to say that early self replicating molecules had way less information than the ones found in a homo sapiens.
Also, two strands of dna with the equal amount of genes can have different amounts of information depending on the amount of genes that are scrap(doesn't form protein) and the ones that lie dormant. A dormant gene can translate into more information in later generations.
Didn't mean to offend you, that was just my observation.
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How strong of a math background do you have?
Not particularly strong at all mostly due to my weak efforts in high school. Though whenever I did do my homework and put effort in to it I usually did pretty well. I have no idea what that translates in to university studies though. I'll find out.
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Lovemonkey... the majority of my family are either PhD's in Engineering or MD's.... and the ones that are neither, have a bachelor's in Engineering LOL
As I mentioned halfway through undergrad at GWU I HATED engineering, I sucked at it and was not doing well, and wanted to switch out.... I approached my dad (who was paying my tuition - GWU at the time (2001-2005) was the most expensive school in the US, and today its the second most expensive school) and I told him I want to switch to business... his answer was absolutely not, he told me that if I had originally started in business it would be ok, but now that I started Engineering I had to finish it and I could not run away everytime I was faced with a challenge... I hated him soooo much at that point... and was so pissed, but I stuck it out and things got better... Ask anyone who was there at my undergrad graduation and they will tell you I had a HUGE SMILE from ear to ear, aside from being sooo happy to FINALLY be done, I had felt really accomplished that I had stuck it out, and really really battled to earn that degree... it was fucking hard, I'm not gonna lie, it came easy to some people I knew, but to me it felt like a battle... And then who would've thought 3 years after graduation that I would decide to go back and do a Master's in Engineering!!! But this time it was different, my work experience helped, and my GPA at graduation of my Master's was a 3.6 (a lot better than what my GPA was in undergrad).
Yes, seeing a lot of people in my family pursue Engineering definitely influenced me, but for anyone in this field, it comes down to pure determination and sticking it out. I keep telling myself that now that I'm doing my PhD - because this is much harder than anything I did in undergrad or in my Masters!
Engineering was very heavy in Math... Aside from doing the basics: Calc I, II, and III... Physicis I, and II, and a SHIT LOAD OF Statistics.... you also have the math from out of space that you do in your Core engineering classes. There were times, even as recently as in my Masters, where the professor would be talking and writing down formulas on the board and it seems like a foreign language!!! But you study it and you get it. As I also said earlier, I've never considered myself ALL that intelligent.... no, I don't think I'm dumb or whatever, but I'm no genius, and I'm no Math Whiz.... you study the material over and over and over and over... and you will eventually at some point in time just start to get it!
The funny thing is I always felt out of place in Engineering school.... still do til today... I mean I don't look like an Engineer... picture all these math geniuses sitting there behind a computer, with their pocket protectors and making engineering jokes (seriously they were so lame) looking like wannabe Bill Gates, and here I walk in at 260 lbs wearing a spandex muscle shirt (it was undergrad, come on :-D) with my food, tuna and grilled chicken IN CLASS and sitting amongst them!!! Was definitely a sight to behold!
Look man, if this is something YOU REALLY want to do, then go for it, even if you don't think your math skills are all that, the degree will help you get better at it!!!! Just keep an open mind and stay persistent!
This is the kind of scenario I predict for myself... that'll start studying engineering and halfway through wonder what the in the holy fuck I've gotten myself into and freak out and then hopefully being able to push myself through it. I would definitely take pride in doing so. Right now I can't envision myself on a redneck 9-5 punch the clock kind of job. And engineering stuff does interest me, especially engines and industrial stuff.
It's nice reading your story and thanks for the encouragement.
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I'm curios to know since I hopefully will be starting my studies this upcoming january.
How was the studying? Same level of brutal as med school or easier? I've heard that chemical engineering is pretty damn difficult and that other types of engineering can vary depending on the school etc. Did you enjoy it?
Job prospects?
Any tips/hints?
Well, in Finland first two years are just mathematics, and after that they teach you the trade. Then you have to do your study for the diploma, which is the last year. No big deal. In USA they give you a lollipop to suck and you can do just about anything you like for the next years. Then they post you your diploma. In Russia they first give you your diploma and then you have to study what the heck it is all about. So as you see, there is some differences by country...
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Not particularly strong at all mostly due to my weak efforts in high school. Though whenever I did do my homework and put effort in to it I usually did pretty well. I have no idea what that translates in to university studies though. I'll find out.
Have you done Algebra II (w/Trigonometry)? If not, you made need to take a remedial course in that, when you get to college. From there, it's Calculus (though, you may give Pre-Calculus a shot first). Remember that, in mechanical engineering, you will likely have to go to Cal III, as I did. The other engineering majors usually only go to Cal II.
Don't be discouraged about your high school efforts. What's done is done. I've met many people who were average in high school, who did much better in college, because they simply got serious about studying, managed their time better, and simply put their nose to the grindstone.
You'll find in college (and in life, in general), it's more often those who simply persevere and work hard that get it done.
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Have you done Algebra II (w/Trigonometry)? If not, you made need to take a remedial course in that, when you get to college. From there, it's Calculus (though, you may give Pre-Calculus a shot first). Remember that, in mechanical engineering, you will likely have to go to Cal III, as I did. The other engineering majors usually only go to Cal II.
Don't be discouraged about your high school efforts. What's done is done. I've met many people who were average in high school, who did much better in college, because they simply got serious about studying, managed their time better, and simply put their nose to the grindstone.
You'll find in college (and in life, in general), it's more often those who simply persevere and work hard that get it done.
Well, where I'll be studying(outside of america) the classes are not exactly the same. But I think I know the kind of classes you are referring to. I was planning on investing in a couple of math books to dig into before classes start.
Thanks for the tips. I'm actually starting to get excited for this. I know it's going to suck bad at times when I'm freaked out about exams and homework but it'll be worth it in the end.
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Scientific positivists are just as wrong as creationists.
Plus I have not observed a great number of creationists in engineering at all (at least not here in Europe). Most are atheists or religious only by certificate (aka atheists).
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Scientific positivists are just as wrong as creationists.
Plus I have not observed a great number of creationists in engineering at all (at least not here in Europe). Most are atheists or religious only by certificate (aka atheists).
May I ask you to elaborate briefly? I'm curios what your viewpoint is.
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May I ask you to elaborate briefly? I'm curios what your viewpoint is.
A scientific positivist thinks that there is nothing to the world other than what (natural) science can describe resp. "explain".
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A scientific positivist thinks that there is nothing to the world other than what (natural) science can describe resp. "explain".
EVERYTHING has an explanation whether we have the capability of understanding it or not. No need to invoke the Supernatural. It is perfectly allright to say, "I don`t know at this time".
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EVERYTHING has an explanation whether we have the capability of understanding it or not. No need to invoke the Supernatural. It is perfectly allright to say, "I don`t know at this time".
I wasn't talking about the "supernatural". And it has nothing to do with what science can "explain" (better: describe) at any point in time, it's a matter of principle. But I agree that there is no need to put any limits on the human mind, even more reason not to limit the mind to the very restricted area of natural science.
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I have a bachelors and a masters in M.E. PM me if you have any questions. It is a great field, very versatile education and you'll have a lot of options when you graduate.
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I got accepted into school and I'm starting this upcoming january ;D
Fuck yes.
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Congrats!
I am a Professional Civil Engineer with a MBA.
Ach already covered the basics but just be prepared to work really hard. If you do not like math change majors now. You will take Cal I, II, III & Differential Equations, calculus based physics and chemistry for engineering majors. Static and dynamics are interesting. Lots of very boring materials classes as mention, but if you really want to be an engineer, you must suck it up and study hard.
I would also like to clear up a few pieces of bad information.
1 - Engineers really need communication skills these days, very few engineers just sit around and crunch numbers today. You will be tasked with a wide range of tasks from status meetings to marketing presentations. The engineers that make the big money are business men, not lab technicians like most think of an engineer. The Indian/Asian engineering wiz's with no communication skills usually don't make it far in this industry. Communication was recently rated the most important aspect missing from engineering curriculum across the US. So these days when you get interviewed they are very specific about your communication and people skills. Engineers NEVER work alone, you will always be a part of a "team" in some way.
2 - Engineering is damn near recession proof if you are a PE, the engineers are typically the last to go from a company unless you suck. Good engineers are EXTREMELY valuable and have more options than almost any field. If you are a lazy and just want a job, engineering is good for that as well, but i promise you will not last long at any good firm. I have worked for some of the largest firms in Houston and the good engineers they had were more valuable than any other position at the firm.
Undergrad degree is tough, but i think anyone can do it if they put their mind to it and study hard. I had no life while i went to school, but i also worked full time. Engineering is the most broad and available degree you can get IMO, and if you are a PE the job markey is basically yours. Plus there are tons of grants and scholarships for engineering and science majors, it really is a very competitive field. I have been offered insane amounts of money to travel overseas, but i enjoy the small business environment these days in which i have more control over. You can make anywhere from 70k to 300k+ as a mechanical engineer in Houston, it just depends on how hard you want to work and how much effort you put into your career. Some engineers like working 8-5 and making a decent salary, other engineers become part of the different engineering societies and market themselves all over the place, this can open doors you never knew existed. If you become an engineer, i challenge you to take part in every engineering society you can and try to become someone in the engineering field. Doing this will ensure you a life of open doors and a very comfortable salary.
Just like anything in life, you get what you give.
Good luck,
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Im currently studying mechanical engineering...its not as hard as people make it sound.
Lots of math, but its noo where near as bad as it sounds. I'm taking Calc 5 right now (Advanced Calculus, its basically partial differential equations). It sounds hard, but its really not at all.
Theres plenty of idiots in engineering too, so really ANYONE can get through it. I go to class, but after that I'm just fucking around the dorms and chillaxing with friends and I just study 2 days before exams and im doing good.
People make it seem like you have to study 24/7, but thats not true.
I did it because it gives lots of job options after graduation and i like math.
I say if you like engineering then go for it!! dont let the math scare you away, its not bad at all!
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I'm curios to know since I hopefully will be starting my studies this upcoming january.
How was the studying? Same level of brutal as med school or easier? I've heard that chemical engineering is pretty damn difficult and that other types of engineering can vary depending on the school etc. Did you enjoy it?
Job prospects?
Any tips/hints?
ive been a mech eng since 1992.
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I got accepted into school and I'm starting this upcoming january ;D
Fuck yes.
well done.....after following this thread it's good to see you've taken step 1 on the road to livin' your dream..........
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My good friend is a life long M.E.
Makes great money since he's 48 years old. Prolly right around 100K.
Me, I'm a Network Engineer, I make a bit more than him, but not much.
Plus IT folks are a dime a dozen, Ive just been lucky to keep a job all these years at the same place.
(Im 46)
Go for it, an interesting and rewarding career.
Plus M.E.'s can do anything, design other things like garages, furniture, DIY weightlifting items, etc.