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Colorado Senate candidates Michael Bennet and Ken Buck appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday, where they challenged each other on their past statements and were called to account for controversial comments they have made.
Republican Ken Buck denied that he was out of the mainstream, clarifying his position on the 17th Amendment and saying that he has often been misinterpreted. However, he gave a strange answer when host David Gregory pressed him to explain his views on homosexuality. In the past, for example, he has said he supports Don't Ask, Don't Tell because the military should be "as homogeneous as possible."
On Sunday, Buck made clear that he believes being gay is a choice, although he said that birth may have some "influence" over it -- such as with alcoholism:
GREGORY: Do you believe that being gay is a choice?
BUCK: I do.
GREGORY: Based on what?
BUCK: Based on what? I guess you can choose who your partner is.
GREGORY: You don't think it's something that's determined at birth?
BUCK: I think that birth has an influence over it, like alcoholism and some other things, but I think that basically, you have a choice.
According to all major mainstream medical and mental health professional organizations, sexual orientation is not a choice. As the American Psychological Association has concluded, "[M]ost people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."
Gregory also pressed Buck about his refusal to follow up on rape allegations involving a University of North Colorado student in 2005, while he was Weld County District Attorney. Buck declined to file criminal charges against the alleged victim's attacker on the belief that not enough evidence existed to win the case, a conclusion that is not entirely rare with such delicate cases.
Controversy has erupted over some of Buck's newly resurfaced remarks, including his comments to The Greeley Tribune that a jury may simply conclude it was a case of her "buyer's remorse." In an audio recording obtained by The Huffington Post, Buck told the victim, "It appears to me and it appears to others that you invited him over to have sex with him," before acknowledging she may have been unconscious at the time.
On "Meet the Press" on Sunday, Buck said he had no regrets over what he told the victim, saying she needed a dose of "reality":
GREGORY: Do you regret using those words, and whether you think women should give some weight to those issues in deciding to vote for you?
BUCK: I think women, as well as men, are concerned about jobs and the economy and spending and other issues. ... Rape case came into our office, it was reviewed by an attorney -- a prosecutor -- with 30 years prosecutorial experience who's now on the Colorado Court of Appeals. He declined to prosecute. Two female chief deputies reviewed the case, talked witnesses -- they declined to prosecute. Case went to another chief deputy who had handled many of the high-profile rape cases in the Denver metro area. He declined to prosecute. I met with this young lady, explained the circumstances. I then sent the case to the Boulder County District Attorney's office for Boulder County because they had a lot of experience with date rape as a result of the University of Colorado being in that county. They declined to prosecute and told me the case couldn't be prosecuted. It was after the young lady made this case public that I had to explain to the newspaper exactly --
GREGORY: But you regret either the way you talked to her or talked about the case??
BUCK: I don't regret the way I talked to her. I think it is important a prosecutor approach a victim with a certain amount of reality, and that's what I tried to do with this victim. I didn't blame her at all.
GREGORY: So what about what you told The Greeley Tribune?
BUCK: What I told The Greeley Tribune -- I gave them five or six reasons why I thought a jury could decline these. One of the reasons was the fact that she had regretted this relationship. She had buyer's remorse as a result of the relationship that she had with this young man. That is something that I think, when someone decides to make a case public, the public has to understand why.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/17/colorado-senate-debate-ken-buck-gay-alcoholism_n_765670.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/17/colorado-senate-debate-ken-buck-gay-alcoholism_n_765670.html)
Seriously, how can people in 2010 still be so stupid? especially a politician..
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LOL
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those homersexuals are masters of media manipulation. much like the jews.
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Begs the question, how could you be so naive about politicians intelligence?
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homosexuality has no place on a bodybuilding board.
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Ha! You just know these two guys are so gonna get busted for soliciting airport bathroom sex in the near future. It's a given. Never fails.
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It's a given.
Id say he was the taker.
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homosexuality has no place on a bodybuilding board.
;D
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;D
Bay, serious question, to the nearest tenth roughly, how many different cocks have you taken in the rear? (no homo)
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technically it is a CHOICE like alcoholism,.........as much as those things can be a choice
we MAY very well be genetically predisposed to things, for example one person might be more apt to become an alcoholic, and another may be more apt to be attracted to males and have sex with men
but at the end of the day, it IS a choice...........getting cancer is NOT a choice, being born black is NOT a choice
but you do have to make a conscious decision to have a drink, or suck a cock
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technically it is a CHOICE like alcoholism,.........as much as those things can be a choice
we MAY very well be genetically predisposed to things, for example one person might be more apt to become an alcoholic, and another may be more apt to be attracted to males and have sex with men
but at the end of the day, it IS a choice...........getting cancer is NOT a choice, being born black is NOT a choice
but you do have to make a conscious decision to have a drink, or suck a cock
what if you're dying of thirst?
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yeah but you dont need to practise sexual acts with men to be homosexual offcourse.
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technically it is a CHOICE like alcoholism,.........as much as those things can be a choice
we MAY very well be genetically predisposed to things, for example one person might be more apt to become an alcoholic, and another may be more apt to be attracted to males and have sex with men
but at the end of the day, it IS a choice...........getting cancer is NOT a choice, being born black is NOT a choice
but you do have to make a conscious decision to have a drink, or suck a cock
I don't recall the moment I decided my babysitter was hot, or that Farrah Fawcett was hotter than the 6 million dollar man. I just can't ever recall having to decide that I was attracted to women instead of men. I'm told by some gay friends/co workers of mine that they can't recall ever having to decide, it just always was the same for them..
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technically it is a CHOICE like alcoholism,.........as much as those things can be a choice
we MAY very well be genetically predisposed to things, for example one person might be more apt to become an alcoholic, and another may be more apt to be attracted to males and have sex with men
but at the end of the day, it IS a choice...........getting cancer is NOT a choice, being born black is NOT a choice
but you do have to make a conscious decision to have a drink, or suck a cock
This.
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From a lifestyle perspective it could be considered a choice but you would be fighting against neurological instinct to oppose that urge.
Just as would be the case if i started dating asian girls but only found blonde swedish whores attractive. It's like art or music, it's entirely subjective.
It's very clearly not a choice in the traditional sense, i don't think anyone would choose to be gay given the choice.
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From a lifestyle perspective it could be considered a choice but you would be fighting against neurological instinct to oppose that urge.
Just as would be the case if i started dating asian girls but only found blonde swedish whores attractive. It's like art or music, it's entirely subjective.
It's very clearly not a choice in the traditional sense, i don't think anyone would choose to be gay given the choice.
We all fight neurological instincts on a daily basis. From the most basic of "I'm hungry, that guy has food, I'll take it" to "she is pretty, I'm going to procreate with her right here in the parking lot" We are all born with certain survival instincts, but a lot of who we are is learned.
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but what is a choice here is that some homosexuals choose to be ultra gay in the sense that they dont behave like men anymore and stand on a parade boat in amsterdam acting disgustingly. something that provokes violence against them too.
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Bay, serious question, to the nearest tenth roughly, how many different cocks have you taken in the rear? (no homo)
Bay is a top..... :o
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saturday i ended up in a gay bar with a few women. truly happend.
everything else was closed in the city and we still wanted to drink something, haha oh lord. gayer than treating women with respect.
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saturday i ended up in a gay bar with a few women. truly happend.
everything else was closed in the city and we still wanted to drink something, haha oh lord. gayer than treating women with respect.
Quit lying, you've never left the room your computer sits in
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Quit lying, you've never left the room your computer sits in
maybe he has a laptop?
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haha im on the computer a lot mainly for work and getbig offcourse but in the weekends im still all party.
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I call B.S. When me and my brother were less than 10 our cousin of a similar age was always "different". Even as a child you know. It may be a choice for someone on the fence but some are seriously born homosexual.
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its the same with guys and girls who know from an early age on they sit in the wrong body.
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technically it is a CHOICE like alcoholism,.........as much as those things can be a choice
we MAY very well be genetically predisposed to things, for example one person might be more apt to become an alcoholic, and another may be more apt to be attracted to males and have sex with men
but at the end of the day, it IS a choice...........getting cancer is NOT a choice, being born black is NOT a choice
but you do have to make a conscious decision to have a drink, or suck a cock
Once again UN_$ung is entirely right. No one forcees a gay to be a fag, act like a fag, or do sex acts with men. To argue otherwise would be to justify what peodifiles say - "oh its just natural and I could not help what I did".
Every gay, fag, and kiddyfucker makes a conscious decision to do it - simple as that.
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maybe he has a laptop?
Good way to stop all the queers in the gay bar staring at your crotch.
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You could argue that nothing we do is our choice.
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it's one thing to be gay, but it's another thing to take it too far like Bob (allegedly did) at the Mirage.
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Bay, serious question, to the nearest tenth roughly, how many different cocks have you taken in the rear? (no homo)
He never answers these kind of questions directly - his typical answer will be something like "this thread is not about my own "personal lifestyle choice". But a gay man probably has done that around as often as you have done it to a girls pussy, and actually every man really would secretly love to do it to a guy".
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I wonder if Vissy gets really drunk before pounding Goodrum's ass. I mean Goodrum is one ugly fucker so I would think Vissy either got really drunk or Goodrum has to slip him a roofie
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technically it is a CHOICE like alcoholism,.........as much as those things can be a choice
we MAY very well be genetically predisposed to things, for example one person might be more apt to become an alcoholic, and another may be more apt to be attracted to males and have sex with men
but at the end of the day, it IS a choice...........getting cancer is NOT a choice, being born black is NOT a choice
but you do have to make a conscious decision to have a drink, or suck a cock
If you believe that, then being a heterosexual is a choice also.
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agree, i dont think a lot of them are suicidal out of choice.
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If you believe that, then being a heterosexual is a choice also.
Yes - I agree - Of course fucking a chick is a choice - no-one is forcing you to do it - its a conscious and deliberate act (which is the reason why if you do it without the chicks consent you can be conviced of rape). Same with a gay doing a guy - is a delibarate choice.
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agree, i dont think a lot of them are suicidal out of choice.
was that for me?
None of these people would put themselves through the punishment they have received throughout history and still today if they could help it....Now because it's becoming more acceptable they feel no shame...
The only choice thing about it is whether or not they act on it...
These right wing nut cases are the kind of guys that think being black is a punishment from god...If it doesn't fit into their little word or the "good book", they'll say anything to justify how they feel.
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Yes - I agree - Of course fucking a chick is a choice - no-one is forcing you to do it - its a conscious and deliberate act (which is the reason why if you do it without the chicks consent you can be conviced of rape). Same with a gay doing a guy - is a delibarate choice.
I respect your opinion but I disagree. I feel the only part of it that's a choice, is acting on it...I believe we are born to like females, male or both...your genetics determine which of those...I don't think at some point in a persons life they decide to become gay or switch.
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These right wing nut cases are the kind of guys that think being black is a punishment from god...If it doesn't fit into their little word or the "good book", they'll say anything to justify how they feel.
exactly.
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Hahaha, the last thing you want to do is listen to a politician, especially when they talk about science. I'm sure most of these right wing politicians still believe that Moses parted the red sea ::) ::) And these are the people running our country ??? ???
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or that humans lived side to side with the dinosaurs ;D
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Hahaha, the last thing you want to do is listen to a politician, especially when they talk about science. I'm sure most of these right wing politicians still believe that Moses parted the red sea ::) ::) And these are the people running ruining our country ??? ???......
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If you believe that, then being a heterosexual is a choice also.
well, i said, we have natural proclivities towards one or the other...........which are further strengthened and influenced by our childhood and life experience
but yes, having sex with women is a choice........just like having sex with me is
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You could argue that nothing we do is our choice.
good point but it could also be argued that everything we do is choice and that includes heterosexual and homosexual acts.
I prefer the idea that like a god/alpha male I choose my own destiny. I'm subject only to the limitations I create. Lesser men like to put the onus of their unhappiness on others by blaming biology, society, their parents...
Christianity is a perfect example of this beta male society. Instead of standing strong and challenging life like the Norse Gods of old , Christianity tells you to be humble, weak like a lamb, suffering, to beg others for forgivness and finally to kneel before a male god so you can "eat his flesh and drink his blood". :-X
It truly is for weak and demasculinized!
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Seriously, how can people in 2010 still be so stupid? especially a politician..
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Well you just answered your own question.
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having sex with someone is a choice- being attracted to them is not.
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getting a deep tissue massage from someone is a choice- being attracted to them is not.
Fixed.
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or giving one ;D
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These right wing nut cases are the kind of guys that think being black is a punishment from god...If it doesn't fit into their little word or the "good book", they'll say anything to justify how they feel.
The Mark of Cain ;D
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how long till this guy retires from politics after some "gay scandal" ??? like the rest of the schmucks then attending rehab and reconnecting with God... ::)
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You could argue that nothing we do is our choice.
one oculd argue that there is no such thing as "we", "I", or "self", that people as we currently think of them do not exist at all.
one could argue that the only that that exists is a brain capable of recieving and organizing sensory information, and responding to new sensory information based upon the past sensory information it has collected. acting solely on the need for self preservation, utilizing pleasure and pain as the guiding forces for all actions.
so yes, one could argue that "choice' does not exist at all, as choice would require an independant being acting upon its own "will", not determined by anything but the "persons" own choice. which doesnt make much logical sense, if you look at the idea from a purely logical viewpoint.
ah, empiricism.. ::)
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technically it is a CHOICE like alcoholism,.........as much as those things can be a choice
we MAY very well be genetically predisposed to things, for example one person might be more apt to become an alcoholic, and another may be more apt to be attracted to males and have sex with men
but at the end of the day, it IS a choice...........getting cancer is NOT a choice, being born black is NOT a choice
but you do have to make a conscious decision to have a drink, or suck a cock
If its impossible to get cancer while the body is in an Alkaline state, couldn't one say that getting cancer is also a choice?
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theres a little fag in all of us
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theres a little fag in all of us
And if not, Sal would be more than willing to give you some.
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I disagree. If you only find men attractive and do not find women attractive you would be very unhappy in a relationship with a woman. If you could never find fulfilment in a relationship with a woman, it is not much of a choice. More to the point, homosexuality is a difficult life path, even in today's liberalised climate, so what half-intelligent individual would choose that path? It defies all logic.
technically it is a CHOICE like alcoholism,.........as much as those things can be a choice
we MAY very well be genetically predisposed to things, for example one person might be more apt to become an alcoholic, and another may be more apt to be attracted to males and have sex with men
but at the end of the day, it IS a choice...........getting cancer is NOT a choice, being born black is NOT a choice
but you do have to make a conscious decision to have a drink, or suck a cock
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I bet Heather Poe (Mary Chaney’s partner) could beat up Michael Bennet! ;D
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I bet Heather Poe (Mary Chaney’s partner) could beat up Michael Bennet! ;D
Bay, why are most lesbians so unattractive? ???
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Bay, why are most lesbians so unattractive? ???
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Bay, why are most lesbians so unattractive? ???
That’s like asking "why are most gay men effeminate?" They are not. Nor are most lesbians unattractive. You notice and focus on the “unattractive” ones because they are more obvious to you. You don’t notice the “attractive” ones. They pass you every day; you simply you do not know that they are lesbians.
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That’s like asking "why are most gay men effeminate?" They are not. Nor are most lesbians unattractive. You notice and focus on the “unattractive” ones because they are more obvious to you. You don’t notice the “attractive” ones. They pass you every day; you simply you do not know that they are lesbians.
Fair enough. I need to keep my eyes out then! ;D
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I bet Heather Poe (Mary Chaney’s partner) could beat up Michael Bennet! ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=352323.0;attach=387605;image)
These two gay dudes need to grow some mustaches and man up like they were born to be
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That’s like asking "why are most gay men effeminate?" They are not.
Not in your eyes ;)
in the eyes of a heterosexual, they are
you couldnt understand even if u wanted to
i forgive you though
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having sex with someone is a choice- being attracted to them is not.
Exactly.
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in a world without politics money and religion
the fags would never come out of the closet.
their would be no gay rights. no gay agenda none of that.
without attention they will all die off.
joyeous days ahead
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Top Five Republican Gay Sex Scandals
Q: How many Republican politicians can you fit in the closet?
A: Evidently, all of them.
It’s gone past ridiculous and straight to the absurd. At this point, it appears your average public restroom has more gay Republicans in it than clean handtowels. The “holier-than-thou” party has spent an awful lot of time on their knees this past year, but they haven’t been doing a lot of praying.
I have no theories why this is the case, other than I think that being gay is the way God made some people and being conservative is a choice, and almost every Republican I’ve met thinks the opposite.
Glenn Murphy Jr.
National Chairman of the Young Republicans
Chairman of the Clark County Republican Party
The Crime: Murphy got a fellow Young Republican drunk and then spent the night at his house. The other young man woke up in the middle of the night to find Murphy giving him mouth-to-penis resuscitation. After this incident, a 1998 sexual battery report came to light in which Murphy was alleged to have done the exact same thing.
The Hypocrisy: Murphy was a well-paid political consultant for Republican candidates and often advised them to use gay marriage as a wedge issue to paint their opponents as out of touch with traditional values.
The Quote: “I was in the Sound of Music in High School…don’t ask” (from his now-defunct Myspace page.)
Bob Allen
Member of the Florida House of Representatives
Florida Chairman of John McCain’s Presidential Campaign
The Crime: Offering an undercover cop $20 to allow Allen to blow him in a men’s room in a public park. After being arrested, Allen tried to explain that he only offered to blow the cop because the cop was a “burly black man” and he “didn’t want to become a statistic.”
The Hypocrisy: Allen was one of 21 Florida legislators to sign Gov. Jeb Bush’s friend-of-the-court brief supporting the state’s ban on gays adopting children, and he co-sponsored an unsuccessful bill that would have enhanced penalties for “offenses involving unnatural and lascivious acts” such as indecent exposure.
The Quote: “I certainly wasn’t there to have sex with anybody and certainly wasn’t there to exchange money for it.”
Larry Craig
U.S. Senator
Senate Liason for Mitt Romney’s Presidential Campaign
The Crime: Soliciting sex from an undercover cop in an airport bathroom
The Hypocrisy: Craig twice voted against adding the words “sexual orientation” to the federal hate crimes law. Craig also voted to give states the right to refuse to recognize gay marriage–a right they already had, but the Senator wanted to really, really prove he didn’t like gay people.
The Quote: “I am not gay, I don’t do these kinds of things.”
Ted Haggard
Leader of the National Association of Evangelicals
The Crime: Paying male prostitutes for sex and snorting crystal meth.
The Hypocrisy: A powerful force in the evangelical movement, Haggard participated in weekly meetings with President George Bush and top advisors where he gave spiritual advice. He taught that homosexuality was an abomination and actively lobbied against gay rights.
The Quote: “I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver.”
Mark Foley
U.S. Representative
The Crime: Sending sexually laced, gramatically challenged instant messages and e-mails to teenaged boys in the Congressional page program for more than 10 years.
The Hypocrisy: Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. One of the foremost opponents of child pornography in the Senate.
The Quote: “get a ruler and measure it for me”
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What a Republican 'wide stance' looks like:
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What a Republican 'wide stance' looks like:
Haha
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Haha
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Top Five Republican Gay Sex Scandals
Q: How many Republican politicians can you fit in the closet?
A: Evidently, all of them.
It’s gone past ridiculous and straight to the absurd. At this point, it appears your average public restroom has more gay Republicans in it than clean handtowels. The “holier-than-thou” party has spent an awful lot of time on their knees this past year, but they haven’t been doing a lot of praying.
I have no theories why this is the case, other than I think that being gay is the way God made some people and being conservative is a choice, and almost every Republican I’ve met thinks the opposite.
Glenn Murphy Jr.
National Chairman of the Young Republicans
Chairman of the Clark County Republican Party
The Crime: Murphy got a fellow Young Republican drunk and then spent the night at his house. The other young man woke up in the middle of the night to find Murphy giving him mouth-to-penis resuscitation. After this incident, a 1998 sexual battery report came to light in which Murphy was alleged to have done the exact same thing.
The Hypocrisy: Murphy was a well-paid political consultant for Republican candidates and often advised them to use gay marriage as a wedge issue to paint their opponents as out of touch with traditional values.
The Quote: “I was in the Sound of Music in High School…don’t ask” (from his now-defunct Myspace page.)
Bob Allen
Member of the Florida House of Representatives
Florida Chairman of John McCain’s Presidential Campaign
The Crime: Offering an undercover cop $20 to allow Allen to blow him in a men’s room in a public park. After being arrested, Allen tried to explain that he only offered to blow the cop because the cop was a “burly black man” and he “didn’t want to become a statistic.”
The Hypocrisy: Allen was one of 21 Florida legislators to sign Gov. Jeb Bush’s friend-of-the-court brief supporting the state’s ban on gays adopting children, and he co-sponsored an unsuccessful bill that would have enhanced penalties for “offenses involving unnatural and lascivious acts” such as indecent exposure.
The Quote: “I certainly wasn’t there to have sex with anybody and certainly wasn’t there to exchange money for it.”
Larry Craig
U.S. Senator
Senate Liason for Mitt Romney’s Presidential Campaign
The Crime: Soliciting sex from an undercover cop in an airport bathroom
The Hypocrisy: Craig twice voted against adding the words “sexual orientation” to the federal hate crimes law. Craig also voted to give states the right to refuse to recognize gay marriage–a right they already had, but the Senator wanted to really, really prove he didn’t like gay people.
The Quote: “I am not gay, I don’t do these kinds of things.”
Ted Haggard
Leader of the National Association of Evangelicals
The Crime: Paying male prostitutes for sex and snorting crystal meth.
The Hypocrisy: A powerful force in the evangelical movement, Haggard participated in weekly meetings with President George Bush and top advisors where he gave spiritual advice. He taught that homosexuality was an abomination and actively lobbied against gay rights.
The Quote: “I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver.”
Mark Foley
U.S. Representative
The Crime: Sending sexually laced, gramatically challenged instant messages and e-mails to teenaged boys in the Congressional page program for more than 10 years.
The Hypocrisy: Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. One of the foremost opponents of child pornography in the Senate.
The Quote: “get a ruler and measure it for me”
hahaha. where is 240's list of all the criminal charges and misdeeds from members of the House and the Senate? the 2 party system is a joke in north america. hahaha. do you prefer an elefant or jackass?